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Wengerland 06-13-2004 07:00 PM

Owen did nothing aswell.

But yeah we're lucky the others are poor,if we get a lead against both of them and then defend like that then Eriksson would need a slap.

Tony Montana 06-13-2004 07:00 PM

On a positive note, I was impressed with the performances of Ledley King & Wayne Rooney.

Rob Ban Fan 06-13-2004 07:01 PM

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">and that freekick was class but we were still unlucky. No one would've saved that.</font>

NoJabbaNoBogRoll 06-13-2004 07:01 PM

Can always rely on Beckham, Heskey, and Gerrard to mess up. :mad:

El Capitano Gatisto 06-13-2004 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Ban Fan
<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">not really, England are a good team. We just got undone in injury time by a couple of the best players in the world. Part of it was bad luck.

The way Spain and Portugal have looked so far, had we been in a group with them as well as France, id still be convinced we'd go through. </font>

I think it was luck that got England so far without conceding. It just didn't hold out.

Trust me, when you're an Ireland fan you get used to playing against teams much better than yours, and you just can't play like that and expect your luck to hold. It nearly always breaks. Taking off Rooney and Scholes was a bad move.

Rob Ban Fan 06-13-2004 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto
I think it was luck that got England so far without conceding. It just didn't hold out.

Trust me, when you're an Ireland fan you get used to playing against teams much better than yours, and you just can't play like that and expect your luck to hold. It nearly always breaks. Taking off Rooney and Scholes was a bad move.

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I don't think you could fault the defending. We defended with spirit. No one was going to save that freekick and the penalty was due to a lapse in concentration.

I agree with you, we shouldn't have been in that position in injury time, Heskey was brought on to hold up the ball, not give away freekicks on the edge of the area. And I agree, the substitutions were poor.</font>

Wengerland 06-13-2004 07:05 PM

Couldn't believe how slow they were to chase in after Barthez was hit in the face from Vassell's shot,Vassell himself had just come on and stood still.:|

Loose Cannon 06-13-2004 07:06 PM

How far out was the Zidane goal and did the keeper even have a chance at it? I'm gonna see it when they put it up on BBC soon.

Oxstar 06-13-2004 07:06 PM

Ok Zidane has a free kick in injury time, if anyone has a brain they would have put a player on each post, so if it goes past the keeper then one of them can stop it.

Ogen 06-13-2004 07:08 PM

Thats made my weekend.

El Capitano Gatisto 06-13-2004 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Ban Fan
<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I don't think you could fault the defending. We defended with spirit. No one was going to save that freekick and the penalty was due to a lapse in concentration.
</font>

Shit teams pack the box all the time to frustrate better sides. It's backs against the wall. It is stupid, in fact, because teams with England's quality would be much better playing their own game instead of letting France come onto them.

I hate the sitting back in your own box form of defending, ever since the day Davor Suker stuck one in against us in the 7th minute of injury time in a Euro 2000 qualifier, and when we threw away a lead in the last minute against Macedonia in the same group. Fortunately, we learned our lesson. England have to do the same now, or else they'll be fucked when they come up against other quality sides in the knock out stages.

Ogen 06-13-2004 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
How far out was the Zidane goal and did the keeper even have a chance at it? I'm gonna see it when they put it up on BBC soon.

Nah James didn't have a chance he didn't see it until it was on its way in

Rob Ban Fan 06-13-2004 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon
How far out was the Zidane goal and did the keeper even have a chance at it? I'm gonna see it when they put it up on BBC soon.

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">a few yards out of the box, centrish, slightly to the right maybe. Curled into the right corner.

Curled into James' right, Zidane's left.

James didnt really have a chance.</font>

El Capitano Gatisto 06-13-2004 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by oxstar
Ok Zidane has a free kick in injury time, if anyone has a brain they would have put a player on each post, so if it goes past the keeper then one of them can stop it.

Yeah but then France can put Trezeguet on top of David James and he'll be onside, and they can swing it in on top of his head. Some dickhead in my team in uni tried going on the line and straight away the opposition swung it in to an unmarked player who would have been offside otherwise, and he scored.

I've always thought that was a stupid idea. Ron Atkinson used to argue for it all the time.

Cactus Sid 06-13-2004 07:10 PM

By the looks of things, England will have Spain in the Quarter Finals, I'd fancy them if they didn't lapse in concentration when it really matters.

Rob Ban Fan 06-13-2004 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto
Shit teams pack the box all the time to frustrate better sides. It's backs against the wall. It is stupid, in fact, because teams with England's quality would be much better playing their own game instead of letting France come onto them.

I hate the sitting back in your own box form of defending, ever since the day Davor Suker stuck one in against us in the 7th minute of injury time in a Euro 2000 qualifier, and when we threw away a lead in the last minute against Macedonia in the same group. Fortunately, we learned our lesson. England have to do the same now, or else they'll be fucked when they come up against other quality sides in the knock out stages.

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I agree, thats why I think it was stupid to take Scholes off because he was winning the ball for us and he was passing well. And I said the exact same thing, we should be playing our game. But the defence was holding up, Henry and Trezeguet were frustrated, their heads were dropping, they were reduced to trying hopeless shots from far out. Until that freekick.

Its just shitty when stuff like that happens.

But i agree with you about having people on the post too. I always cack it when Portsmouth do that.</font>

Dazz 06-13-2004 07:20 PM

Wanna hear my two cents? Good:

Erickson lost that game for us, Scholes and Rooney were playing well, two of our best players, and he brings on Heskey and Hargreaves, Heskey was hugely to blame for the first goal.

James did the right thing for the penalty, blame Stevie Gerrard, what was the dickhead thinking.

Lampard should have taken the penatly, sorry to sound bias towards my boys, but Lampard takes them for Chelsea and Beckham isn't the most reliable penalty taker, good save from Barthez though.

I called it as being 2-1 to France before the game, if only I had bet on it :'(.

Rob Ban Fan 06-13-2004 07:30 PM

<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I don't think Lampard's penalties are much better either to be honest. Both Beckham and Lampard tend to just smack them from what i've seen.

GOD :'(</font>

Dazz 06-13-2004 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Ban Fan
<font face=verdana size=3 color="#ff6600">I don't think Lampard's penalties are much better either to be honest. Both Beckham and Lampard tend to just smack them from what i've seen.

GOD :'(</font>

Thats nice RBF, but your wrong, you see, Beckham does stupid things like against Turkey and today, Lampard does good things like scored against Given and Howard from the spot this season, think before you speak.

El Capitano Gatisto 06-13-2004 07:43 PM

Barthez guessed right and pulled off a good save. If I was English, I'd be more inclined to be pissed off at Beckham for playing absolutely shite throughout the match. He's supposed to be one of the best in the world, he looked like a little boy out there.

I'd also be slightly annoyed at Rooney not squaring it for Vassell before that penalty, but he's young and he has big balls. It's good to see.

Dazz 06-13-2004 07:48 PM

Yeah I have been saying for ages that Rooney is greedy, but if Silvestre hadn't fouled him then he would have been in just as good a position as Vassell, so you cant blame him for that.

It was a good save, but Becks could have hit it further over.

Cactus Sid 06-13-2004 08:08 PM

It was a good save, but it was the perfect height for him.

Danny Electric 06-13-2004 09:56 PM

I come on here and I see most of you slagging off England. What the fuck, where's your fucking pride. We played great and were unlucky to lose. It was a great free kick but we got nervous at the end.
I'm proud of everyone of those players who played there hearts out for their country. The fans were great.
I'm still shocked at the result, seems like all a blur.
France were shite, our defence was great.
Now get behind the fucking team.

The Mask 06-13-2004 10:02 PM

You have to be kidding, we got a 1-0 lead and then sat back for the rest of the game, barely even trying to break. You sit back when you have a comfortable lead.

Danny Electric 06-13-2004 10:04 PM

Sorry I'm still a bit pissed off and pissed.
I agree it was wrong to sit back that much on a 1-0 lead but we played our hearts out.

The Mask 06-13-2004 10:09 PM

Owen didn't :mad:

Danny Electric 06-13-2004 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mask
Owen didn't :mad:

True.
Match is coming back to me more and more.Lol.
Was the service there to Owen though? He didn't have a good match, I'm hoping that he wants to prove that he's our best striker and tears apart Henchoz and co.

The Mask 06-13-2004 10:18 PM

The service would be there if he ever tried losing his marker.

Danny Electric 06-13-2004 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Mask
The service would be there if he ever tried losing his marker.

Lol, as I said let's hope he destroys the Swiss and makes this country happy.

I haven't had tears in my eyes in ages. I nearly hit some French person at my SU who in front of a bunch of England fans started to wavr his flag and singing songs against us.
What a dick, but I suppose I would have done the same if we had won.

toxic rooster 06-13-2004 11:22 PM

Just letting you know, if I ever hear Tyldesley say "that night in Lisbon", all hell is gonna break loose :mad:

Penner 06-14-2004 12:59 AM

That was a crazy finish.

Cactus Sid 06-14-2004 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Wee Gooner
Just letting you know, if I ever hear Tyldesley say "that night in Lisbon", all hell is gonna break loose :mad:

Most of the UK want to shoot him in the face, so your not alone in your hatred.

toxic rooster 06-14-2004 01:14 AM

Nice to know I have allies :)

Frank Grimes Jnr 06-14-2004 07:00 AM

Damn Switzerland!
If Croatia can't beat Switzerland, then its got no chance to beat France and England.

toxic rooster 06-14-2004 08:27 AM

Croatia <i>did</i> finish 3rd at the 1998 World Cup.

But then again, Holland came 4th and didn't even make the last one.

I forget what my point is. :o.

Dazz 06-14-2004 12:37 PM

Yeah Tyldsley said 'Every manager and fan is the country is going to be saying 1-0 to Santini' fucking try and jinx us more you ManYoo supporting twat :mad:

Rob 06-14-2004 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wee Gooner
Did you hear them fans singing "ARE YOU SCOTLAND, ARE YOU SCOTLAND, ARE YOU SCOTLAND IN DISGUISE"

After the match on Sky Sports News, Julian Walters reading out emails says "and this one is from Scotland - hahahahahahahahaha"

:lol:

It was so great seeing the English crying in the papers, making all the excuses in the book and fighting again. Stupid bastards.

Rob 06-14-2004 03:52 PM

From when they were calling England "the new Lisbon Lions", I wanted them to lose.

Said it before, said it last night to Owen and we'll keep on saying it - Erikkson hasn't got a clue. He is tactically naive. Aside from a double in Italy where he spent over £80 million in one year and nearly killed Lazio, he has done nothing in football. He can't be trusted. Remember whn he accepted the Blackburn job years ago only to go back on his word and bankrupt Lazio instead?

Don't care how well they played or how tired they were - If you take off 3 of your best 4 players against arguably the best team in the world, you're gonna pay. Do you think France would sub Henry, Zidane and Trez in the same position?

Y2Ant 06-14-2004 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Arse Bandit
James did the right thing for the penalty, blame Stevie Gerrard, what was the dickhead thinking.

Lampard should have taken the penatly, sorry to sound bias towards my boys, but Lampard takes them for Chelsea and Beckham isn't the most reliable penalty taker, good save from Barthez though.

I called it as being 2-1 to France before the game, if only I had bet on it :'(.

:y:

I predicted a Greece upset and didn't put money on that :$

Dazz 06-14-2004 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob
Said it before, said it last night to Owen and we'll keep on saying it - Erikkson hasn't got a clue. He is tactically naive. Aside from a double in Italy where he spent over £80 million in one year and nearly killed Lazio, he has done nothing in football. He can't be trusted. Remember whn he accepted the Blackburn job years ago only to go back on his word and bankrupt Lazio instead?

Don't care how well they played or how tired they were - If you take off 3 of your best 4 players against arguably the best team in the world, you're gonna pay. Do you think France would sub Henry, Zidane and Trez in the same position?

Scholesy was injured, Owen was shit, but he should never have taken Rooney off.

Erikkson reminds me of Ranieri, tactically shit, only time he did anything at Chelsea was after spending over £100million.

Also, you saying you said it last night to 'Owen' makes it sound like you mean Michael Owen and not RBF.


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