<font color=goldenrod>It's not easy to get back to the Super Bowl, but the Panthers seem like they can be a force. I know right after Super Bowl 47 I was certain that the Niners would win a title with Harbaugh and that defense. Then as it turned out they only had one year left of their peak.

Then again, that team also had so much weird shit happen to them with firing Harbaugh, surprise retirements, and the league figuring out the read option. For the Panthers, Cam might get even better, they don't appear to be headed for a mass free agent exodus, they tend to draft well, and they'll be getting Kelvin Benjamin back. Tough to see this team not at least being a contender for a few more years.</font>

You don't know Flacco is better than Manning? Weirdo.

Manning has 2 rings AND 4 appearances. Best regular season QB. Basically, he is a living legend.

Feel like Carolina's offense can only get better. Cam has Olsen and then who else to throw too? He need a WR1 and he will be golden. No idea how old their defense is though.

How nasty would it be for Carolina to get Forte for his last couple good years? He would be such a huge upgrade from Stewart.

Division-wise, South's weak enough that I wouldn't be surprised if Panthers won it again. Saints and Falcons both have some serious issues that might take a while to resolve (Saints D, Falcons O). Tampa is a wild card since they are way too inconsistent to write off but at the same time experts have been consistently wrong about when their break out moment will occur.

Now that the season is over, the Tennessee Titans are ON THE CLOCK! Hopefully they don't fuck up the draft in 3 months.

Carolina is gonna be fine for a while. I'm relatively sure Cam will end up with a ring.

I'm just glad Denver won because of how it fucks with the Manning haters' "only one ring" argument.

V glad Denver won. Love Peyton and great defenses.

I am in love with ESPN not even acknowledging Lynch's retirement last night.

Exactly how he'd want it, right? lol

never change, NFL thread

Don't really care what he wants. I care about what I want. If both of those things align it's all gravy.

Can we agree this was the most boring super bowl ever ? lel

So, make the case for/against Lynch's HoF chances

Numbers-wise he wasn't bad but I don't think he really stuck out particularly. Having the SB ring will help. I think passing the eye-test of being one of the most dominant RBs of his era helps his cause but idk if that's enough to put him in. Because sports are retarded and the media has some say in things that will hurt his cause because media types like to feel self-important so they will snub his @$$

I don't think he'll be first-ballot kinda guy but might sneak in

Required to point out Ravens defense in 2000 was better and didn't give up an offensive TD or 10 pts in SB

In terms of relatively close games, probably. But most of The blowouts (specifically thinking SF/SD) were way worse.if Peyton Manning wasn't so bad it could have easily been a blowout

It's pretty crazy how good Denver's defense is. I think having a "media whore" like Peyton kind of helped put a chip on their shoulder because they've been so good all season but everyone wants to give credit to Manning for leading them to victory etc.

They wouldn't have won the SB without Flacco. 11 TDs to 0 INTs in the playoffs tying a guy named Joe Montana. His 4 games in the playoffs that year were better than both of Mannings SB winning runs and that's a fact.

Yeah c'mon troll Droford all you want but Flacco's SB run was arguably the greatest postseason ever

Peyton Manning played 7 games over his 2 SB runs and the AFC Champ game in 2007 's Pats where he had to rally to beat them late in a 38-34 win was the only game he went over 300 yards passing.

lol The line about Flacco not helping may have been a drunken over-statement on my part. Still, the fact that you'll still try to pretend Flacco is even in the same atmosphere as Manning now that you don't even have the Super Bowl win argument to cling onto is silly. He's the greatest QB ever stats-wise and also has two rings. Joe Flacco had a fine run in the playoffs that one year. He generally kinda sucks horse cock.

Not saying he's a better QB than Manning, but Flacco throws a better deep ball than Manning ever could.

<font color=goldenrod>24th all time in rushing TDs, 36th all time in rushing yardage...which also puts him at under 10k yards, so it's not a number that would really stand out.

Loved the guy but I just don't see him getting to Canton unfortunately. The ring will help as will the pretty much undeniable fact that he'd have gotten a second ring if they would've done the logical thing and hand the ball to him last year.

Statistically though he just doesn't match up with most of the more recent RBs that have gotten in. His HOF speech would be hilarious, though.</font>

<font color=goldenrod>Schefter said that among the most notable first time HOF eligibles for next year are Dawkins, McNabb, Jason Taylor, Tomlinson, and Ward.

Tomlinson has to be a first ballot guy. Has to. 4th all time in yardage, 2nd all time in TDs, and has the single-season rushing TD record which is probably never going to be broken.

Taylor will go in eventually but it'll be a wait for him, writers seem to be leery about overvaluing sacks, just ask Kevin Greene. Ward will go in at some point but T.O., Moss, Bruce, and Holt should all go in first. Dawkins deserves it but safeties are really underrepresented in the Hall, he might need to wait a couple of years but I do see him going in.

McNabb has virtually no shot. Supporters of his will cite that he has better career numbers than presumptive future HOFer Warner but Warner also has 2 MVPs and a ring. Fair or not I think it's going to be next to impossible to make the HOF as a QB without a ring unless you retire top 10 in TDs AND yards or something. And when you consider that Warner will go in and there are no less than 6 active QBs right now that appear to be locks it's going to be hard to get McNabb in.</font>

Lol Lesean Mccoy

Fact is the Denver Broncos could have won last night with their towel boy playing QB. If it wasn't for 2 years out of 18 Where he had a defense that played great in the playoffs (not even the whole year in the Colts case) hed be the modern day dan Marino with all the regular season stat records and the worst playoff QB ever (7 of 14 playoff wins in just 2 years)

http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/9830239_G.jpg

Is take Eli over Peyton in the playoffs

And Peyton will still [likely] be a first-ballot Hall of Fame guy.

<font color=goldenrod>lol I loved that shot of Eli. You couldn't see Archie as much but what you could see of him it seemed he wasn't celebrating yet either.

Archie didn't celebrate when the Giants took the lead in Super Bowls 42 and 46 either. I think it's just a paranoia thing from having quarterbacked so many teams with shit-tier defenses. Eli himself knows from this year to not celebrate until the clock hits 0:00.</font>

The contrast between Eli and the kid is awesome lol

Gotta get to the playoffs first.

Just wait until Highly Questionable airs. They'll probably mention it.

Yeah, Flacco never had a defense or anything...

Manning has taken his team to the playoffs with historicaly bad defenses. How did Flacco fair this season with a shitty one?

Exactly. Something you're pretty much guaranteed to do with Peyton Manning on your team every single year. Might even win a couple championships, too. But nah, Joe Flacco.

P.S. Dan Marino is a fuckton better than Joe Flacco, too. Saying "if it weren't for the fact that he actually had a team around him, he'd be Dan Marino" isn't really an insult. lol

The Ravens defense was ranked something like 18th thevyear they won the SB.

The Colts was ranked in the 20s but in 3 of the 4 playoff games (not inc the Pats game) they only gave up 2 offensive tds and scored a defensive TD and got 12 turnovers. Manning only had 1 TD and 6 ints in those 3 games.

In the Pats game, Manning had a 1 yard TD pass and a 1 yard run for TD. Hevthrew for 350 yards so this game is the only outlier in the 7 games he played to win thevtwo SBs.the other 6 games he played like absolute shit and got bailec out bybthe defense.

Are you seriously trying to say Flacco is better than Manning? Or is this just a joke.

Do you realize even with Joe Flacco's playoff performance in the year the Ravens won the Super Bowl, his playoff stats are virtually even with Manning's? 88.6-87.4 when it comes to QB rating. You really gonna cling on to that sliver of a difference as a victory for Flacco? That's really all you've got. A 1.2 difference in playoff QB rating to trump the ungodly advantage Manning has across the board elsewhere. lol

I was prepared to be fascinated by what Droford came up with to try to keep this going now that Flacco can't even claim a tie in the championship argument. I have not been disappointed.

In a "debate" with my brother-in-law about Peyton > Eli. Quipped that Peyton is top 5 all-time. He countered with: Montana, Brady, Favre, Elway, and Marino. I was half kidding, but I'm too far in now lol

I will probably just ignore it, but I like the top QB talk anyway.

Flacco is theonly QB to put up a qb rating over a 100 in 4 games in same post season. For lsughs, i looked up Manning..he has 6 100+ qb rating playoff games out of 27 playoff games.
Flacco has 6 himself out of 15, including a 5th straight in the playoff game vs Pitrsburgh.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...r_playoffs.htm

What do you guys think is going to come of Colon Kaepernick?

jets baby

Yes, Flacco had 1 amazing run. That's awesome for him. 1 run in the playoffs does not define your entire career.

And even with that, I repeat, their playoff QB ratings are just over a point off. You can focus on Flacco's good playoff games and Manning's bad ones all you want. You're still ignoring the fact that overall, there's virtually no difference between the two in the playoffs. You're clinging to that barely noticeable advantage really hard to overcome Manning being insanely better in every other aspect. lol

He was good in the playoff lastbyear as well. 2 separate 14 pt leads on the Patriots in NE..couldnt hold em..

Hey thats another thing. Flacco has two wins in New England in the playoffs plus almost beat them 2 other times..how many times has peyton won in New England in the playoffs?

0-2..in fact the only other team to beat Brady in NE in the plsyoffs was the Jets. 15-3 at home..2-2 vs the Ravens

... Seriously? lol

They made the point in the afc champ game that peyton had never won in ne and brady had never won in denver

Flaccos won both places

Only reason its close is because Peyton has played 12 more playoff games than Flacco. You give Flacco 12 more playoff games and hes got 3 Super Bowl rings instead of just 1. Plus a hell of a lot more playoff wins than Manning..

Well throw all the actual stats out the window. CHECKMATE!

Lol

Go ahead and project what Flacco COULD do all you want. It doesn't mean shit. If you wanna deal in actual facts, they're neck and neck. And that's the only thing Flacco's even close to Manning in.

Peyton Manning has 1 less playoff win in Baltimore than Joe Flacco. If Flacco didn't suck balls and was able to bring his team to the playoffs and get a first round bye at some point, Manning would have as many playoff wins in Baltimore as Joe Flacco.

Mmm. Convoluted Drostats.

Colon's definitely going to return to #2013 form when he was doing Beats by Dre adverts and busting his nuts for 50 yard touchdown runs

but this time for the jets

right? OR is chip kelly going to want to play frankenstein with him? Texans? Who else needs a qb...

Yes. Chip Kelly will keep Kaepernick.

But deep down he'll wish he had Joe Flacco playing QB for his team.

Joe Flacco most road playoff wins (7) in nfl history. 2 more than ELI Manning.

Peyton Manning. 2-5 on the road.

Kap seems like a great fit for Chip Kelly's offense, tbh

Cool stats, bro.

Nearly identical playoff stats as Peyton Manning, one less championship and about a million miles away when it comes to the regular season. Stop being an asshat and cherry picking the pro-Flacco stats as if they hold special weight. They don't. You're coming up with "road wins" and "wins in New England" as points in favor of Flacco while I'm literally just talking about overall stats. You're reaching. Even you can see it.

except he's kinda right

About what? lol

You can literally look up the playoff stats for both guys and see they're basically the same. If you wanna keep a "Flacco is amazing in the playoffs and Peyton sucks" narrative going though then you've gotta ignore that and pretend "games won in New England" or some other secondary stat is the important thing to look at. Which is pretty much what Droford's doing. And it's ridiculous.

Even if you hype up Flacco's playoff performance in the Super Bowl season, you have to admit that he needed that just to be on Peyton's level as a playoff performer. It's a demonstrable fact.

This LaSean McCoy ordeal is great. Fucked them cops up.

Lol @ Peytons level as a playoff performer.
14-13 record
40 tds 25 its 7339 yards (272/g)
Had to win out this year to finish above .500
Take out Peytons 2 an run and he's 7-13

Joe Flacco
10-5 record
25 td 10 int 3223 yards (215/g)
Has never 1 and done in the playoffs (Manning holds the record with 9)
Take out the SB run and he's still 6-5
Conceivably Flacco with the same number of games in the playoffs could throw for more TDs, fewer interceptions and win more Super Bowls than Peyton Manning.

My only point in all of this not that Flacco is better than Manning..it's that Manning is extremely overrated QB who choked more often than not in the playoffs.

Browns currently denying reports they lied about Johnny Manziel's season ending concussion to hide the fact he was drunk or hung over from an unknown drug as the reason why he was a mess during that week's team meetings.

Team says they have proof of him getting tested to show he had a concussion while other sources are saying other issues might have caused him to get a false positive with the tests.

Aqib Talib currently facing the possibility of a suspension for next season for both the personal fouls he did during the Super Bowl and being dumb enough to go public saying he did it on purpose. Would fall under repeat offender status in terms of potential punishments.

Also for being dumb enough to not care what the NFL does since he got his ring.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...der-suspension

Broncos supposedly gave Peyton Manning until March 9th to make a decision about his future.

So you're fine just finding ways to ignore the fact that their QB rating in the playoffs is almost identical? The one stat that literally encompasses everything they've done in the playoffs without taking out certain games just to help your case. Cool. It's pretty hopeless at this point to get anything through to you.

One more thing, since you're trying so hard to hype the "Peyton sucked when he won" thing. What were Joe Flacco's stats in that first OMGHUGE win in New England? Wanna look those up for me? Probably not. I mean, if were gonna ignore the overall stats and cherry pick what looks bad on the other guy, let's do that back and forth for a page and a half. lol

On second though, you're the king of warping the stats to make them say what you want to say and might take me up on that offer. So let me be clear that I think that's a fucking retarded thing to do and will not ACTUALLY participate in it.

Joe Flacco lost to the Colts in the playoffs on his 25th birthday. Up to that point then he was 3-2 in the playoffs after 2 seasons in the league. Peyton Manning through 2 seasons in the playoffs? 0-2.

He didnt even win his first playoff game until his 5th season, which was the same year in his career Flacco won 4 and the Super Bowl. Through 5 seasons? Flacco 9-4 Manning 2-4. Manning didnt win his first Super Bowl until the 8th year with a record of 7-6 needing the 4 wins to get there. This past year was Flaccos 8th season and hes 10-5.

So from 8th season on Manning was a .500 qb in the plsyoffs going 7-7 over 8 seasons including 5 1 and dones and 2 super bowl losses.

As far as his stats in the first 5 games flacco played, yeah horrible..but he has only had a QB rating less than 90 1 time (61 vs pittsburgh 2010) in the last 10 playoff games and over 100 6 times (same as Manning has had in 27 playoff games by the way). Flacco when hes made the playoffs, has gotten better. Peyton Manning, not so much..

The best thing is, if he retires I can keep dumping on Andy Dalton who is easily a worse playoff QB..hoping he breaks mannings 1 and done record..

Well if Flacco can actually lead his team to the playoffs again, we can see if he can actually separate himself from Manning in playoff stats. Good luck with that. Keep clinging on to whatever you need til then, buddy.

How many divisors has Manning won? How many SuperBowls? How many times has he got to the SuperBowl? When Flacco can compete with what matters then you will have a case.

Is anyone factoring in the unibrow?

I love how this argument is still going after Manning turned in one of the top-5 worst SB performances of all time

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...tning-rod.html

He did give props to the defense for leading the team all year in his post-SB speech. Seems aware of it and only said "we did what we did" when it came to offense.

Not that it matters or w/e. The W is a W is a W.

No. You only look at wins and losses when they work AGAINST Manning. It's the way of the Manning hater.

Manning had the worst season of his career. You'd think that would put the guy who sucks so bad in the playoffs even further behind the guy who's so great in them. They're still neck-and-neck statistically. So if you wanna keep the Manning hate going , you've gotta ignore the stat comparison (or do that thing Droford does where he hypes up the positive Flacco stats and the negative Manning stats instead of just looking at the overall career playoff stats of both guys and calling it a day.)

So then you have to claim wins as the deciding factor. Which is pretty dumb in a team sport to begin with. But it can't be Super Bowl wins now because Manning has the lead in that one. I mean... Jesus Christ. lol

Greaton Manning > Droford

Amusing thing is you keep admiting they're neck and neck statistically in The playoffs. Only because Manning had the advantage of playing 8 more yearsbomb the playoffs (10 overall), most of which he was 1 and doning in the playoffs with Colts teams that were supposed to be super bowl contenders.

1998 3-13
1999 13-3 2 seed 1 and done
2000 10-6 6 seed 1 and done
2001 6-10
2002 10-6 5 seed 1 and done
2003 12-4 3 seed lost to NE in AFC Champ (2-1)
2004 12--4 3 seed lost to NE in Div Rd (1-1)
2005 14-2 1 seed 1 and done (started 13-0)
2006 12-4 3 seed won Super Bowl (4-0)
2007 13-3 2 seed 1 and done

The 10 years Peyton had 5 1 and dones including twice as the 2 seed and once as the #1.

Giants released Jon Beason, Geoff Schwartz, and WILL BEATTY

Good riddance to all of them. They're all injury prone as fuck.

Saved about 12 million in cap space

Giants are projected to have top 5 in the league in terms of cap space.

Guys like Muhammad Wilkerson and Alshon Jeffery should be in play in the event they don't get franchise tagged.

Jesus Christ, Droford you're a broken record. How do you get called out on doing something so much and then just repeatedly do it again without realizing it? You have an insane lack of self-awareness. It's impossible to discuss anything with you. lol

Also, one guy playing more playoff games than the other doesn't make his stats look better. That's the point of looking at stats like QB rating and averages. So you can fairly compare people who haven't played the exact number of snaps/games/seasons. If I was saying "He threw more total touchdowns in the playoffs!" then you might have a point. When looking at QB rating, "But he played more games!" is a really dumb response. Math.

I hereby motion to change Droford's user name to Dro Flacco

I could get behind the Dro Flacco change.

I agree. It can be like a heads up for any new people who try to discuss football with Droford.

At least everybody knows already Andy Dalton sucks in the playoffs wont have to jake this argument for him

ESPN Mag had a recent in-depth legnthy article on how the LA relocation process went and how heated the discussions became with issues going back 2 years. Also how Goodell lost complete control early on and couldn't stop the bickering and in-fighting between owners.

Jerry Jones got into a heated argument when he saw right through the Rams early deceptions with the owners. Rams owner implied a potential lawsuit against the NFL if they prevent his move.

At least one NFL executive likely sabotaged the Chargers/Raiders plan by leaking details of it to the Rams group. Either did it because of possible bribes and/or get more favoritism from the new owners.

A lot of the older owners hated how arrogant the Rams owner was in meetings and him not caring about the health of the league. Got their revenge on him by getting the NFL to mandate another team so the Rams couldn't get the entire LA market.

The final vote was between Rams-Chargers and Chargers-Raiders with the Rams only and Rams-Raiders options dropped. Owners picked Rams-Chargers mostly to protect the Chargers even if the deal was more favorable to the Rams. A lot of owners still hated how little the Chargers got in the end and being forced to drop Carson as a spot.

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/stor...ck-los-angeles

Matt Forte and the Chicago Bears have parted ways.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2530395

Welp...

Commence angry social media outrage campaign to get every compsny he shills to fire him.

That's a known story already though.

So he did something retarded as a teenager. Who cares?

Fuck you.

I know it's not the worst thing ever associated with the colts. Cough drug abuser dies in drug abuser Owner's house cough but it's pretty bad.

Lol. STD negative relied me saying rape. He didn't rape her you fool. What he did was stupid as hell but I am not going to judge a person for something they did when they were 19 AND it was like 20 years ago.