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Aguakate 08-14-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NerF (Post 3198612)
Has there ever been any evidence on Brady Anderson other than everyone assuming he was juicing? Legit do not know if he was ever actually "named" or what

1994...12 Home Runs 48 RBI

1995...16 Home Runs 64 RBI

1996...50 Home Runs 110 RBI

1997...18 Home Runs 73 RBI

1998...18 Home Runs 51 RBI

...Come on. He wasn't caught, but neither was Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds.

Nervous Ferret 08-15-2010 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3199684)
1994...12 Home Runs 48 RBI

1995...16 Home Runs 64 RBI

1996...50 Home Runs 110 RBI

1997...18 Home Runs 73 RBI

1998...18 Home Runs 51 RBI

...Come on. He wasn't caught, but neither was Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds.

So the answer to my question is no

Snowden 08-15-2010 12:08 PM

He's never actually been implicated, no, but there's a ton of circumstantial evidence.

This is what he looked like when he came up in 1989:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...09010624AM.jpg

And this was him in 1996:

http://www.femmefan.com/site/images/...y-Anderson.jpg

Now, could he have just hit the gym a lot? Of course. But the fact of the matter is that most anyone in that era who saw a prodigious, and overnight, increase in power (be it a power arm, or a power bat) has a cloud of suspicion over them.

YOUR Hero 08-15-2010 01:45 PM

or he had a career year...

Supreme Olajuwon 08-15-2010 01:53 PM

Anderson was a pretty great athlete and if you look at his swing, he had a noticeable Griffey style uppercut.

I wouldn't consider him any more a suspect than Javy Lopez, Luis Gonzalez, Todd Hundley (think it was him who hit 45 homers randomly one year), or Adrian Beltre.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-15-2010 01:57 PM

Personally I buy in to the idea that a guy with good pitch recognition can choose what kind of hitter he wants to be.
Still waiting for the year when Ichiro finally says fuck it and hits 35 homers. And he could do it rather easily.

YOUR Hero 08-15-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3197755)
Problem is that guys who have careers uears like this, where they reach 40 homers or more out of NOWHERE, usually end up getting caught using steroids (see Ken Caminiti and Brady Anderson).

And to follow up, Anderson was never caught for steroids.

YOUR Hero 08-15-2010 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3200565)
Personally I buy in to the idea that a guy with good pitch recognition can choose what kind of hitter he wants to be.
Still waiting for the year when Ichiro finally says fuck it and hits 35 homers. And he could do it rather easily.

Don't know if he could anymore, tbh.

Aguakate 08-15-2010 02:07 PM

...I'm a huge Manny Ramirez fan, he's my favorite player...but...ever since last year when he was caught using Steroids, the guy has been plunging...he's a nonfactor, he can't even stay healthy enough to play...

...so...Am I delusional to believe his monster years before last season wasn't a direct result of steroid use and that what's happened to him in the last year and a half will pass and he will become the hitter he was? Or is he done?

Snowden 08-15-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 3200565)
Personally I buy in to the idea that a guy with good pitch recognition can choose what kind of hitter he wants to be.
Still waiting for the year when Ichiro finally says fuck it and hits 35 homers. And he could do it rather easily.

Comparing Ichiro and Brady Anderson is a bit extreme. Anderson is a career .260 hitter, far from a superstar and I doubt he has this ability to suddenly chose to go from being a pretty mediocre hitter to being a prodigious power guy, especially at the age of 32 when he did it.

Ichiro, yes, I bet in his prime he could have hit 35 homers. But he's a once in a generation type talent.

Yeah, Brady could have had a career year, and I'll say that even if he was on the roids he certainly was a better hitter that year regardless (.297) than at any other point, so he was a better hitter that year, yes. But in the dead middle of the steroid era, when a guy jacks 30 more homers than his career high, slugs over 200 points better than his career average, and bulks up, you have to at least be suspicious. Players don't just get better like that, especially at 32, without going on the gas.

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Anderson was a pretty great athlete and if you look at his swing, he had a noticeable Griffey style uppercut.

I wouldn't consider him any more a suspect than Javy Lopez, Luis Gonzalez, Todd Hundley (think it was him who hit 45 homers randomly one year), or Adrian Beltre.
Javy Lopez did do the roids dude: http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...ids-i.html.php

And Todd Hundley was in the Mitchell Report: http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/b...-baseball.html

And Beltre had his career year when he was 25.

DaveWadding 08-15-2010 03:55 PM

and Luis Gonzalez hates needles.

Aguakate 08-15-2010 03:56 PM

...There ARE Oral Steroids, uknow...

Supreme Olajuwon 08-15-2010 06:03 PM

I dunno just saying I believe it's possible to do what he did.

Roger Maris did it.

Emperor Smeat 08-15-2010 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3200577)
...I'm a huge Manny Ramirez fan, he's my favorite player...but...ever since last year when he was caught using Steroids, the guy has been plunging...he's a nonfactor, he can't even stay healthy enough to play...

...so...Am I delusional to believe his monster years before last season wasn't a direct result of steroid use and that what's happened to him in the last year and a half will pass and he will become the hitter he was? Or is he done?

Besides him playing in his 17th season and had issues with injuries the last couple of years, Manny right now for the Dodgers is basically the late years "Manny being Manny" of the Red Sox.

Mentally he starts to lose interest in playing good if he doesn't get his money or the team stinks (as is the case this year). He played hard for the rest of the season after the trade and then the 1st full season with the Dodgers. After that he reverted back to the bad Manny that got Red Sox fans and management upset with him.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-16-2010 12:27 AM

I wish the Cardinals played the Cubs every day.

Jeritron 08-16-2010 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3200577)
...I'm a huge Manny Ramirez fan, he's my favorite player...but...ever since last year when he was caught using Steroids, the guy has been plunging...he's a nonfactor, he can't even stay healthy enough to play...

...so...Am I delusional to believe his monster years before last season wasn't a direct result of steroid use and that what's happened to him in the last year and a half will pass and he will become the hitter he was? Or is he done?

I think it's more likely related to him aging. Steroids or not he was a great hitter. I'm not sure how severe his steroid use, or how long it went on. It could have been his whole career or just an isolated incident.
No idea.

As for Brady Anderson
I respect and agree with the theory that it is possible for a player to have a career year out of the clear blue, but 50 hrs out of nowhere by a leadoff hitter who was noticably jacked is very suspicious.
Given the era, I would have to say he was probably using steroids.
I also would say the same about Luis Gonzalez, Beltre and other players suspected but not linked.
I love Jeff Bagwell but I think it's naive to rule him out just because he hasn't been named in any reports or books. I hope he didn't.
I wouldn't be suprised if he doesn't get many votes for the HOF next year.

Aguakate 08-16-2010 12:47 AM

...How 'bout Twins Manager Ron Gardenhire pulling pitcher Kevin Slowey after the 7th inning when the guy had a no-hitter going?

Gardenhire brought in a reliever in the 8th, who promptly gave up the first hit and run.

Jeritron 08-16-2010 12:47 AM

Though it should be innocent until proven guilty, it's hard not to suspect from the entire era.
I don't think Griffey or Ripken were invovled though, so maybe I'm picking and choosing. Fuckin hate the steroid fiasco

Aguakate 08-16-2010 12:51 AM

If it ever came out that Griffey used...I would just lose all faith in Baseball.

Griffey and Jeter are the two guys from the 90s that I really think didn't use, along with Gwynn and Ripken. Everyone else? Who knows?

Supreme Olajuwon 08-16-2010 01:31 AM

Frank Thomas

Aguakate 08-16-2010 01:38 AM

Hmm...I don't suspect he did, no one's ever said anything, but if it came out he did, it wouldn't have that "WHAT?! NO WAY" element to it.

Snowden 08-16-2010 01:58 AM

Yeah, Frank Thomas seems to be one of those "naturally strong" types.

Another guy from the 90s whose probably free and clear is Jim Thome.

Aguakate 08-16-2010 02:00 AM

You would think that the Steroid stuff that came out would help guys like Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Mike Piazza, Chipper Jones...

...but who knows? It doesn't seem to help Fred McGriff.

YOUR Hero 08-16-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate (Post 3201921)
...How 'bout Twins Manager Ron Gardenhire pulling pitcher Kevin Slowey after the 7th inning when the guy had a no-hitter going?

Gardenhire brought in a reliever in the 8th, who promptly gave up the first hit and run.

He had missed his last start with a sore elbow and I believe his elbow was feeling strained in this start. Either way, the manager had to protect his arm. Sucks though.

Hanso Amore 08-16-2010 02:21 PM

My one thing is this: If Brady was on roids - why only one year? He was huge in that 1996 pic you posted...what about before and after? Why didnt it seem to help, but only in that one career year.

Emperor Smeat 08-16-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanso (Post 3202535)
My one thing is this: If Brady was on roids - why only one year? He was huge in that 1996 pic you posted...what about before and after? Why didnt it seem to help, but only in that one career year.

Was 1996 a contract year or at least close to one since a lot of players tend to have sudden stat boosts when it comes to guaranteeing extra cash then drop once they get paid?

A-Rod supposedly only roided up during the time with the Rangers but it did influence his ability later on to get a $300+ million deal with the Yankees since he's not busted until after the new contract.

A good non-roids example would be Sean Alexander for Seattle in football. He has a great few years as a running back near the end of his contract. Then he gets a huge pay increase with a new contract and follows it by not even trying to be good the following years since he got paid and doesn't care anymore.

Evil Vito 08-16-2010 07:55 PM

<font color=goldenrod>lol K-Rod tore a ligament in his thumb in his fight. Season likely over.

Mets are trying to get his contract voided. the Players Association is gay though so they'll probably find some way around it.</font>

Snowden 08-16-2010 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanso (Post 3202535)
My one thing is this: If Brady was on roids - why only one year? He was huge in that 1996 pic you posted...what about before and after? Why didnt it seem to help, but only in that one career year.

That's a fair point. From what I've seen, Anderson has flat denied steroid use, and it doesn't make great sense that he'd only use for one season. What is possible is that he'd been using and bulking up for quite some time, and had a monster year in 1996. He did get noticeably bigger as his career went on (and to answer your question, he was jacked going forward), so it is possible he juiced well before then and only broke out in '96. But I see your point.

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Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball (Post 3202894)
Was 1996 a contract year or at least close to one since a lot of players tend to have sudden stat boosts when it comes to guaranteeing extra cash then drop once they get paid?

A-Rod supposedly only roided up during the time with the Rangers but it did influence his ability later on to get a $300+ million deal with the Yankees since he's not busted until after the new contract.

A good non-roids example would be Sean Alexander for Seattle in football. He has a great few years as a running back near the end of his contract. Then he gets a huge pay increase with a new contract and follows it by not even trying to be good the following years since he got paid and doesn't care anymore.

He became a free agent after the '97 season, year after he hit the 50 bombs.

Oh, and how do I know Anderson is still jacked?

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ClockShot 08-16-2010 08:13 PM

Johnny Damon gets a round of applause on his first at bat for the Tigers back in the Bronx.

I'm surprised.

Jeritron 08-16-2010 08:18 PM

Brett Boone

Hanso Amore 08-16-2010 08:49 PM

Bret Boone wasa fucking juicer...Dues thighs were ripping out of his pants in Seattle

Snowden 08-16-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 3202940)
Johnny Damon gets a round of applause on his first at bat for the Tigers back in the Bronx.

I'm surprised.

I'm not. He left with no ill will, and had fantastic years with the Yankees. I miss him, and I'd give him a cheer if I was there.

McLegend 08-16-2010 09:13 PM

I'm sure Yankee fans would still rather have that bastard Johnny Damon.

ClockShot 08-16-2010 09:51 PM

We would have liked to have Damon back..........for the right price.

OssMan 08-16-2010 09:51 PM

K-Rod out for season FUCK YES

Boomer 08-16-2010 11:29 PM

Braves game was awesome. Melky makes a great throw to the plate to keep the Braves close and then delivers the game winning hit.

Hardkore Kidd J 08-17-2010 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ClockShot (Post 3203071)
We would have liked to have Damon back..........for the right price.

Me too. I will miss his bat. His fielding.............................meh, not so much.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-17-2010 09:00 AM

I'd be shocked if these guys juiced:

John Olerud
Edgar Martinez
Larry Walker
Todd Helton
Barry Larkin
Bernie Williams
Scott Rolen
Mark Grace

Supreme Olajuwon 08-17-2010 09:07 AM

I wanna say Vlad too but honestly it wouldn't. I hope he's clean though.

Supreme Olajuwon 08-17-2010 09:09 AM

OH YEAH Carlos Delgado. Definitely think he's clean.

Hope he gets into the Hall one day, but I dunno if he will.


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