De-X was a funny stable u know?

because you cannot forget their antics

I remember that time they sex them we're going to split and they dont split butt they fooled every 1 rembember that? TheY good

you aren't.

I'll give you a used Salt N Pepa "Very Necessary" CD for your ticket stub.

Nothing catapulted TNA ever.

There are about three stables, at least, that are above The Hart Foundation.

Also -- while stable rehashes very rarely work -- a Fortune reunion consisting of Bobby Roode, Christopher Daniels & Kazarian would actually work pretty well right now.

I would have to say NWO was the best Stable because they had a lot of wrestlers within the stable. To top it off they had two separate NWO factions. It was like 65-80% of WCW were a part of the two NWO factions.

I will give you two full salt and pepper shakers I stole from Denny's.

Owen was my favorite wrestler back then, and I still consider him one of the best. He's the reason I got into and stayed into wrestling, back when he was high flying with Koko B. Ware. His matches with Bret were 5 star in my book.

I was watching Over the Edge that night and the one moment I had to step away, it happened. It hurt so much, truly devastating when I heard the news. The tribute show definitely showed how much he loved the business and all those around him and how thankful everyone was to have him in their lives. That says alot.

R.I.P Rocket.

I was watching when this all happened. I member thinking what a gimmick it was. The screen went black for some time and then they came back out. The whole show must go on thing made me think it wasn't real.
I also remember arguing over weather or not he was the blue blazer and this was a bad way to prove that i was correct.

he is missed

http://i.imgur.com/Ko0rz.jpg


Owen's kids:

http://i.imgur.com/7vhYB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Q2cga.jpg

Hogan only came back a few times, and Michaels was gone for four years before he came back. He was around the same age of those guys you named too. He also changed with the times. He was hardly an old-timer.

Fuck this cliche "young guys" crap. Been reading that for over ten years. What's so great about a bunch of baby-face wrestlers who can't cut a damn promo? Why are some of you guys sooo hard for young guys? I don't think a guy should be put on TV JUST because he happens to be young.

Fuck the new generation. I desire the best, and these youngin's ain't that. They need to earn their way to the top and not just be given it. That's why WWE wrestling sucks ass. Let's not it even more sucky.

Owen was definitely better. Bret had the same match over and over again, plus Owen was better on the mic.

Bret was better than Owen. He is the greatest Canadian ever. And I should know bc unused to drink in Windsor when I was 19!

As soon as he learns to cut a promo or how to get heat without Vicki then okay.

Dolph Ziggler is getting better on the mic all the time, and I truly believe he could get heat without Vickie. I think if he got rid of Vickie, the dude would need to be a babyface, however.

Swish's Very Own Wrestling Thread!
 

So many idea's but we all know it will more than likely end up being
Brock vs Taker, when Taker said to Brock "Wanna, Do it." meaning Mania 29.

Taker needs to retire, 20-0 is a hell of a legacy to keep.

Swish vs. Swiss, Deathtothe

HOT THREAD

TOTY!!

I thought the exact same thing, and all this Swish
vs Brock hype is legit as hell.

I beg to differ, Owen was better than Bret,
despite him never holding the Championship.

All though the brother vs brother cage match was amazing.

Well I respect your opinion even if it is wrong. Bret is the best there is and all that. Also, if Owen hadn't fallen at Over The Edge he most likely woulda been killed by a drunk driver leaving the arena bc of some final destination shit. It was his time. So yeah Bret is betta.

If its a shoot then Brock vs Swish otherwise Brock vs Taker.

swish?

It's like a tornado coming at you.

Already blew by you didn't even notice it!

Would rather see rock/Brock then Brock and taker

I would rather see Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker, with Brock vs. Austin as a runner-up. Put Heyman in Lesnar's corner and Mike Tyson in Austin's corner, and you could have the set-up to a huge blockbuster at Mania. If you did Austin vs. Brock, then you would also probably run Cena vs. Undertaker and CM Punk vs. The Rock.

I think that Punk vs. Rock is something the WWE should very strongly consider doing. Punk vs. Austin is something that people want to see, but a lot of that was because of the dynamic between Austin and Punk's characters. With Punk as a bit more of a babyface, I couldn't really get into Punk and Austin telling each other that they respect the other's lifestyle choices. I think that Punk would need to turn heel for a feud, or that there would need to be some sort of magic build.

Rock and Punk are more likely to clash on an appropriate level right now. It'd be very similar to Cena vs. Rock, with Punk cutting promos on how Rock uses the WWE to pad his wallet instead of being here for the fans, while The Rock does his usual stuff targeted at Punk. With Rock holding a victory over John Cena, he could very credibly come back and challenge for the WWE Title.

I'll go with Swish as long as i do not have to see the Rock again. Except for in this new GI Joe movie... Go Joe!

Rock is gonna be going with whoever has the strap in '13. Probably "surprise" entrant to the Royal Rumble to win it.

Wrestlemania is still so far away though, not gonna try to book it that far. That's what I think will happen though. Rock's last promo, he mentioned the title, that was obviously some type of bullet point to get out in the open before he left for however long again. Think it's pretty likely. And it will make sense.

He's either going to win the belt and have it for a long time (the WWE experimenting on a celebrity giving their title publicity, making title shots a "big deal" again), and if not, obviously put somebody over. Either thing makes sense to me. Don't think anyone else but Lesnar has any business taking the title off Punk right now.

never been a Rock fan, he messed up wrestling in my personal opinion. Made it so trying to recapture the title became the objective when reigning for a long time use to be the order of the day. Consider hogan only being 3x champion. Consider Savage holding the title for a year. So I vote Brock vs Swish but we'll end up with Brock vs Rock.

Help get #Swish trending on twitter ;)

I wanna see foley and Rock come back and team up with Brock and have Don Muraco manage them in the awesomest stable ever: The Brock and Rock and Sock and other Rock connection. This would be the greatest stable of all time. Book that.

The thing I don't like about Brock and Undertaker facing each other at WM is that we'll probably get stuck with Rock/Cena 2.

In all seriousness I would prefer Brock vs Taker;.

Taker hasn't really had a decent Mania match since the first HBK one.
This would make Taker stronger, if he beat Brock.. I think that's the way it would go down.

^^^^
Are you serious? HBK/Taker 2 wasn't good? The one with Triple H at WM27 didn't do anything for you?

This year's HIAC was shit?

Taker vs Zack Ryder

I think we could very easily be given Taker vs. Brock, Rock vs. Punk and Austin vs. Cena.

Never b4 and never again thank god. And though I really really really loved the match they had at wrestlemania the suspense was great it was unpredictable and all but nah I'll pass.

Oh yeah Swish ur crazy
the last... I don't know how many taker streak matches have been unbelievable they have sold the possibilty of this being the year every year. And I was not sure who would win each time until the final 3 count. i would have to say that the one that just past would rank in 4th place of the past 4 and it was one of Undertakers most unpredictable matches. The HBK additive was great. The final DX chop was historical and the match was just classic.

... the hell?

Chill ya beans, HBK/TAKER 2 was shit, the first one was better.
am entitled to my own opinion don't like it, kindly fuck off out of this thread.

WWE Sucked after Wrestlemania X7

Austins Heel Turn? Did it shock you?
 

The night at Wrestlemania when Austin turned heel and joined forces
with Mr McMahon and then later on HHH to become the Power Trip (probably the greatest tag team in history). Did this shock you? Was you expecting Austin to stay face?.

In my eyes the whole Heel angle ruined Austin,
He should have stayed the way he was. Hell raising beer drinking, mcmahon hating, sob. Instead he goes to the on guy to win the title.

The Birth of the PowerTrip though was probably the greatest
thing to ever happen. in WWE. Period.

Heel Austin was quite entertaining..... although unlikely, Vince may have been concerned with the fans getting sick of his routine, a la Hulk Hogan initial WCW run.....

I definitely remember sitting and watching WM X-7 live. At the time I was doing PPV write ups for a now closed down wrestling website. I sat there with my pen in my hand, staring in awe at the screen as Austin clobbered Rock in the back with that steel chair over and over again. For them to turn the biggest face in the company heel, in his own hometown, on the biggest stage of them all, was a very ballsy and risky move. In the end, I don't think it paid off quite the way that McMahon had in mind - the breakup of the Power Trip due to Triple H's injury was a major blow to the angle, and then the failure of the InVasion angle pretty much set in stone Austin's return to facedom. I can only imagine how the year would have gone had Triple H not torn his quad.

Still, we got some incredible matches out of it with Austin vs Benoit (anyone remember the 10 consecutive German suplexes on Smackdown?) and Austin vs Angle.

The WrestleMania I would like to see would like something like this:

- John Cena vs The Rock for the WWE Championship: Cena wins
- CM Punk (heel) vs Stone Cold Steve Austin (face, duh): Punk wins via Anaconda Vice
- Brock Lesnar vs. Undertaker: Taker wins, Lesnar goes back to UFC
- Triple H vs. Daniel Bryan for the World Heavyweight Championship: Bryan wins and gets the lifelong push that Benoit was supposed to get

Didn't "shock" me because I did not have enough interest in Austin to really care about anything he did.

I must say that I enjoyed the result though. Heel Austin is about the only time I enjoyed him in the WWF/E. That and his feud with Bret.

No. The whole build-up was a carbon copy of a 1992 AJPW angle so I knew what was happening.

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To be honest, my favorite time period for Stone Cold was 2001. That's definitely his best title reign. He was always on top of his game, but I thought he worked extra hard during this time period for the audience.

I agree, Austin was the best during his 2001 world championship reign. He was the best part of that year in wrestling. He did seem to work harder to please the fans, wasn't afraid to embarrass himself and was always entertaining/funny. I didn't find all of this with the face Austin.

I also remember going to a Smackdown taping in Toronto, and Austin let Sgt. Slaughter punch him down at the end of the show, he seemed drunk. Austin was off the charts during this time.

As a longtime fan, I say no.

Austin himself put on a great performance as a heel up until the Invasion angle started. But then he became a comedy character.

The heel didn't work, but it's not Austin's fault. He reached a point where fans just didn't want to boo him. They probably shouldn't have turned him. It's not like his babyface character was getting stale. Also, there was no shortage of top heels in WWE at the time (Triple H, Angle, Jericho would have eventually turned).

Can't lie I would not pay to see Fox's wrestlemania.
I wanna see


Uso brothers defeat Primo and Epico for the tag titles
Kofi Kingston defeats Tyson Kidd for the US title
Cody Rhodes vs Dolph Ziggler. IC title on the line. Can't pick it.
Daniel Bryan vs Sheamus vs The Miz for WHC. Can't pick it.
CM Punk vs The Rock for WWE title. CM Punk wins
Undertaker vs Randy Orton in Legend vs Legend killer match.

this would be a good order for the fights to happen in also.

Pretty confident that would get about 10% of the buyrates Fox's card would. You don't even have Cena there.

Was this it?

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/K5YRNbelm5U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

First line says "at Wrestlemania"

That's at InVasion.

Wasn't paying attention. Ops.


Either way, the OP would have been better with a video as a reminder.

the heel Austin going against a fresh bad ass face Kurt Angle is one of my favorite feuds. The whole thing was new as roles were reversed and the matches were top notch. I loved Angle's face run in 2001. It's still one of my favorite parts of his career.

It was all over the dirtsheets so no. He was amazing, but unfortunately the product dipped and the kept making bad decisions so all his dance partners got their legs cut out from under them and his title loss kind of faded into obscurity when it could have been an epic passing of the torch. It's when Vince lost focus because he bought WCW.

I would say he had his best matches during this time because guys like Benoit, Jericho, Angle and HHH had upped the workrate (along with the Rock to be honest, he was "sloppy" in the sense that he wasn't technical, but still athletic as fuck, quick and hard working) in WWE main events and Steve adapted REALLY well and was an absolute machine in '01. It also coincides when he came back from neck surgery, so he was definitely refreshed.

To be honest the WWE can sell without Cena. A show like this will be exciting which I think is more important. Wrestling fans will watch with or without Cena. In my line up every match will be interesting

1998 was my favorite Austin year. He was the biggest thing going on around that time, and it was really hard to find a reason not to like him. When he turned heel, it looked like it was going good (despite how upset I was at the time) but then he was totally degraded when that Invasion of the WCW mid-carder shit (and ECW) came about. Seriously... Austin playing folk songs to Mcmahon while being a manbitch for him, complaining about Debra's cookies!!!??? The only thing that really stuck from that time was,"WHAT!?" Pre-Invasion heel turn, okay but still confusing the reason for it. During Invasion... went to complete crap.

No. It was about as telegraphed as receiving a telegraph after the telegraph man has knocked on your door clearly stating "TELEGRAPH" as loud as possible.

Didn't like it at first since it made little sense why he suddenly would side with Vince after raising hell on him the previous years and Vince wanting to destroy Austin. The heel run ended up being great though in the long run.

The one a while later during the Invasion was pretty stupid overall even if the real reason was due to the WCW/ECW side lacking the big names due to forces outside of WWE's control.

It surprised me and I loved it. Obviously, WCW being bought and the InVasion angle along with HHH's injury changed the entire initial heel run but the Power Trip run was an awesome few weeks.

Fox's was much better. Yours sounds a lot like a Raw combined with SummerSlam. You have quality matches combined with crap matches. And whether you or anyone wants to admit it, Cena is a top draw for WWE. Cena's ringwork has improved a lot over the past couple years, and I find his promos a lot more enjoyable. His feuds are much better since they no longer have him as "supercena."

Also, I don't see Miz, Kidd, Kingston, Usos, or Epico/Primo in any matches, unless it's MITB.

He was cheered as a heel, that doesn't make his turn a failure. He became more interesting and he made others around him better (Angle, RVD)... Not Taz.

I like those kind of heel's, the one's who are so good at what they do, that you can't hate them, no matter how hard they try.

No Lesnar? No Austin? No CENA?

Congratulations. I have been here since TPWW was born, and I think you are a fucking idiot. :wave:

Just my opinion, no offense intended.

Totally different situations. Austin was never getting half-booes/half-cheers in every arena in the country (including his home town) when he was a face. Cena has been in that place for years and years.

Austin's heel turn didn't mean losing "the guy." They had The Rock, who had proven himself to be just as big, if not a bigger draw than Austin. WWE does not have that guy right now.

At the time, WWE was not a publicly traded entity the way that it is now. They didn't have stock or shareholders to answer to. This was also pre-9/11 and pre-Benoit murders, so they didn't have to worry about being so sensitive and getting "good PR" by having their top guy (Austin) do publicity work like Make a Wish, Be A Star, etc. All he had to do was guest star on Walker: Texas Ranger.


These are the reasons they won't turn Cena heel. I highly doubt Austin's "failed heel turn" has ANYTHING to do with their decision to keep John face.

If anything, Hulk Hogan's situation in WCW in 1996 is much more similar to John Cena's current situation: the unstoppable, bland, eat your vitamins, say your prayers, don't be a bully main eventer face of the company getting mixed reactions everywhere he goes - a sign of the changing of the times in our culture.

And if I recall, Hulk Hogan's heel turn was fairly successful for WCW.

I remember a sunday night heat where he had bearly turned heel. He got into it with Scotty 2 hotty and he was talking down on him with his new "what" schtick. It was funny as hell back then but I cant find it on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjvCERRZ21g

that's what you're looking for. Stone Cold invitational. Stone Cold pretends Scotty is Kurt Angle. It is funny.

lol @ Taz at 5:50

I wanna see Brock vs. Batista, or.... wait for it.... waaaaait for it.....ryback! THERE, I said it, time to finish this thread with Ryback posts.

Come on, now. :|

It didn't shock me. Heel Austin was very entertaining, and they should've kept him like that for a bit longer.

His heel theme was awesome, too.

Watching some heel Austin videos, I realise just how great a heel Austin was. I think that his actual turn, whilst shocking and somewhat exciting, did do damage to the business. A large part of that was that there were no real top faces to really stand up to Austin at that point in time. I personally feel that the Two-Man Power Trip was a bad idea, and that Triple H should have turned face to challenge Austin.

Go back and watch Austin's beating on Michael Cole and JR. He was great.

TPWW is the greatest, such honesty amongst the participants.

Ok I'll give u all the fact that Cena is "the" major draw in wrestling.

But lets keep in mind that Austin is not returning and Brock signed a 1 yr contract.

CENA NEEDS A TIME OUT!

Lets be honest if people are tired of seeing Cena win how does it help by just making him lose more. It kinds of defeat the purpose of his character build. He's suppose to be a person that rises to the occaision. The best thing for him is a hiatus and the WWE needs to broadcast more of their talented wrestlers. I agree Cena's Move-set has improved over the last year. But his dropkick looks silly coming from him. As a wrestling fan I like wrestling and Cena is not wrestling and his promos just plain sux now. They use to be interesting but since the Rock um i guess we can say 2 match return Cena has become more predictable then ever. And If Cena left wrestling today it would not hurt the WWE. Just as it didn't hurt when the Rock left. His return would help though.

In Fox's card the matches are so uneven that they can't be fun to watch.

Ok Rock vs Cena was good the first time but never b4 and never again remember. But it is the only worth while watching match on the card unless every1 else finds the fountain of youth. Stone Cold was wearing knee braces while he was on top of the WWE and he has already had his neck broken so at his age a match against CM Punk doesn't even make sense. How slow would CM Punk have to move to keep up with Stone Cold.
Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker another such match. Brock pace is constantly flash fast. Undertaker would have to carry the whole match by pretty much dominating Brock Lesnar. D. Bryan and Triple H would be action wise the second most interesting match of the night. But at the end of the day Fox's card would be predictable which is probably why u guys voted for it. You love the predictability.

Cena missing WrestleMania 29 would probably be WWE's worst nightmare. He's the only thing close to an actual "celebrity" that the WWE has created in the past decade, and a large percentage of fans at the gate pay just to see him, like it or not.

With that, my top Mania matches would consist of:

Brock Lesnar (c) vs. The Rock
Steve Austin vs. CM Punk
The Undertaker vs. John Cena
Triple H vs. Dolph Ziggler
Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Randy Orton
Rey Mysterio vs. Sin Cara

:rofl:

I disagree about the Two Man Power Trip being a bad idea, though I do the storyline reason they formed. Their feud with the Brothers of Destruction was, though short, intriguing.

Cena leaving would hurt for a while, but WWE can make another top superstar as popular, if not more to replace him and heal the hurt. Despite what we think about him, WWE's proud to have him there, but they can adapt without him too.

I agree.
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They should have had Austin stunner vince the next night after he won the title.

Wasn't Rock written out when the Two Man Power Trip formed so that he could go film The Mummy Returns?

They elevated Angle, RVD, Benoit, Jericho, etc. Which is what they would have to do today.

absence makes the heart grow fonder. Cena leaving could help. In fact I believe this is building up to Cena quitting. He needs to leave so that people can miss him.

I remember when Taz confronted heel Austin after he beat up Michael Cole. Austin was calling out Booker T, and Taz just got into the ring and Austin turned around and was like "Unless Booker T got real short and real fat real fast, you're not Booker T" haha.

I despise the PG Era just as much as anybody else, but they were doomed to dropping ratings just before Cena too. Cena's first movie was not exactly hailed by Roger and Ebert, and the second one he was in was even worse, so I don't see him quitting to go into movies like the Rock did, not for a while at least. Personally, I prefer thuganomics Cena over PG Cena, but I guess there's certain factors in WWE old school fans don't have a say in nowadays.
I figured Zack Ryder would gain far more popularity because of his Youtube channel's popularity and the reception of Jersey Shore, a show I also despise, but their most drawing fans get into I suppose. TNA is more for us (hardcore wrestling male fans) than it is their's (women and children), while WWE has become more for their's.

I wish Taz in his prime could have fought Austin. I don't think Austin would be standing.

Raw got boring ever since they fired Vince Russo
 

It just seems to be getting boring, the only thing interesting
is watching the commercials? anyone agree.

Then don't watch. Pretty simple stuff.

A Time Travel Angle/Gimmick?
 

One thing I've not seen WWE do/use yet, is a Time Travel gimmick/angle.
Of course in many tv shows/movies it has been used. But imagine if this happened on WWE. Have a sort of Undertaker like gimmick but with the angle
that he has the ability to travel through time?. But all the time travel shit
happens on the titan tron.. Just to keep the fans happy?,

no

WCW already did this.

Drugs are bad.

Really?

Seriously? It's a repeat. All the top guy's are being fired
due to not being able to keep them self clean. Cena will be the next one to leave
due to being almost bankrupt and with his marriage issue. This is the reason

They plan on bringing back Austin and McMahon it's a quest for ratings

What happens when Austin leaves? or retires? then Taker is now done.
HHH is also done, yet once a year returns with HBK as DX. which is also getting stale.