Kind of torn on the episode.

It just felt very "HERE'S STUFF" and like they skipped a bunch of episodes. I get that they wrote themselves into a corner with the opening and everything, but it feels like the other three seasons have had a gradual buildup to the Big Bad and this season was like "Ten minutes in? FUCK IT. HERE'S THE BIG BAD GUY FOR THE SEASON!" and that was pretty much it.

Strong closing though and the reveal of the name tying back in to the end of last season helped, but it definitely felt way rockier than the other three seasons' starts.

There still might be a swerve and Damien Dark might not be the big bad.... who knows...

Anyways, so much for Coast City flashbacks.... I liked the Hal Jordan "cameo"..... I knew it wasn't going to happen because he wasn't cast or anything, but I was hoping that this season's flashbacks would be Ollie and Hal on a roadtrip, trying to "find themselves".....

Also.... damn..... really don't want anybody to die.... especially Felicity....

dahrk definitely seems like he's in service to a higher power of some sort, esp with the entire new world o' magic at their disposal. also don't forget vandal savage is in the mix; he'll probably need some form of introduction before legends of tomorrow since it's clear both ollie and barry are aware of him by the time that show starts

good ep though, dig's helmet is much better in action

It seems to be too obvious to be Felicity.

I don't think it's her.

It is also possible that there could be more Coast City. We can't rule it out yet.

probably captain lance tbh, amazed he's lasted as long as he has. plus ollie was prattling on about the darkness not being his fault but it is his responsibility blah blah blah, echoing lance's earlier call that the arrow wrought darkness upon starling city; my guess is lance fouls dahrk after he has a moral crisis about working with hive, and pays for it with his life. redemption and ollie are involved, tears ensue etc

JUST A GUESS THOUGH, RLY DON'T WANT IT TO BE DIG OR FLICK

Can't be Dig, he just got a brand new Magneto helmet.

Dig was causally shooting people last night. Like just walking and calmly shooting people. I think there is a heel turn coming for him.

He's been shooting people since season 1....

I know, but it was different last night.

WTF happened to the hair and beard?

Those things can be cut

Yeah but they have to be super long. They have to grow pretty fast over the next year and a half or so.

Was Oliver Queen mayor in the comics?

For a bit, yeah

Which was ridiculous. Him being the only guy in the city with that ridiculous 'stache/beard now a mayor and noone connected the dots. Worse than Superman and his glasses.

Yeah.... I mean, it is his "iconic look", but always found it a bit ridic that no one could put together that the dude with the blonde mustache/beard in a very distinct shape is Green Arrow....

Not that I have been reading it anyways, but that is one change in the New52 that I didn't mind.... that they got rid of the facial hair....

more i think about my captain lance theory the more i worry it could also be felicity. let's face it - if they're ever gonna hook ollie up with dinah, they're gonna have to off felicity. plus barry came out for the funeral, even if he technically missed it. don't know that he'd do that for lance. could be wrong though i guess

anyway not that they strictly have to put ollie and dinah together but... y'know. i'd be surprised. no way does "olicity" end without tears. not NECESSARILY death but... probably. although the team would be screwed without her. buuut if mr terrific is a tech genius also...

I don't want Oliver and Laurel.

I'm going with Digg, and Oliver feels responsible because he let Diggle go after H.I.V.E alone.

Tonight I have decided that I don't like the Laurel character at all. I've given up trying to like her. She's kind of dumb.

However glad Sara Lance is back.

Like Nyssa more and more, though....

Double Down was pretty cool. Are we going to get the Arrow Cave now?

i think they blew it by concocting the sara character in the first place. should've just had laurel be the only daughter of captain lance to heighten his resentment towards ollie when he thought she had died on the ship and had her go through what sara went through with the league and whatever and bam, believable black canary that doesn't need to be replaced a season later

like i know dinah in the comics is technically a "legacy" black canary too but she's held the mantle forever so really tv dinah didn't need to be made to feel a hand-me-down imitation of the "original" :-\

not that i don't LIKE sara. i'm just saying, as far as making dinah work as the black canary and not feel kinda forced, it would have been better.

I can see that. If I was booking this show I never would have killed Sara Lance off last year. I think she is way too strong of a presence on the show. Laurel, could never be that.

Look I'm just saying The Green Arrow should be able to take down a meta human by himself... I'm just saying.

He can if he prepares but he is only human

I am excited for next week.

Yeah.... been looking forward to seeing Constantine on Arrow.... Love Constantine (as a supporting/guest character, not a lead)

It's a cool thing they are doing. It's going to be good.

Are we going to see Oliver's pissed off look at Laurel next week? I hope so.

Great episode, Constantine was good hopefully we'll see him again sometime.

Yeah, good episode. I liked the musical cues to Constantine's tv show. Nice touch.

Constantine so much better as a guest character than a lead.... I think he shows up again.

Also, Flashbacks are already infinitely more interesting than the Hong Kong stuff.... Curious as to Baron Reiter's true intentions.....

I hope we see more of Constantine.

Laurel, is still terrible. I think she is going to try and put the moves on Oliver sooner rather then later. One positive thing about Laurel is that outside the Black Canary suit she has been looking good. She was kind of smokin in the hospital.

that was magnificent

loved constantine. hope he comes back for at least one more appearance. matt ryan and the constantine crew got robbed of a decent-length run for how decent it was compared to some shows that have lasted much longer.

am loving curtis/eventual mr terrific also. dude is amazing

also the tease discovery of tiny ray being alive was pretty great

all-round solid episode though, this season continues to be one of its strongest so far

For the first time in a long time.... I will be watching LIVE

Damn Felicity is a hardass.

Looked hot as hell without the glasses there....

I'm sure he gets typecast to shit because of it, but I love Neal McDonough playing villains.

Why is Thea all "you can live a normal life" when she is dealing with the exact same problem and is only temporarily "calm" due to killing some ninjas.

Sara should still be "feeling the urge" to kill Thea too... getting her soul back doesn't mean that the effects of the pit go away....

Looks real young though.

Thea is hoping that if Sara can overcome the pit then that means she can to. So she is giving her moral support to help herself as well.

Sara by now knows that Merlyn is the one that killed her, and therefore has forgiven Thea.

Also what was that shit at the end?

I already forget.

And Sara would know that Merlyn is "responsible", but doesn't change that Thea did the physical act.... though I dunno how it works....

Superheroes are usually forgiving with those things though... I guess would be the reasoning behind it???


So is Laurel going to continue to have always bad ideas? Will she ever get smarter?

I didn't really like tonight's episode. I usually like every episode to.

I really liked this tonight.

Everything might have tied up too nicely at the end, but overall this was really good. I'm glad Oliver started looking like a leader again(Even though his first plan went horribly wrong) instead of just another guy in Team Arrow. That's my least favorite thing about this season so far... Oliver has been depowered big time. He beat Ra's Al Ghul last year he should be really fuckin tough... It annoys me.

Weakest part of the episode was the flashbacks.

Wasn't really a deep origin story for Hawkgirl and Hawkman.

Enjoyed the reference to Hath-Set in the flashbacks....

"Weird" that they decided to call Ollie's son William instead of Connor....

Haven't watched any of this season yet. Better than last season so far?

I don't know. I can't give a clear answer on that.

No way she's in the grave btw. Don't believe it.

Tonight's episode was good. Got to see The Green Arrow going old school Arrow on people. So what was in the Warehouse?

Really hope the death thing is just "faking her death to keep her safe".... Oliver hides her away with Merlyn or something while she is in "critical condition", tells everyone she died.

She inevitably comes back and is "furious" or whatever at him for doing that while he is just all "I did it to protect you" in an angry whisper voice. They break up...... but better apart than her dead....

I just watched one episode of the current season, the crossover with Flash.

What the fuck is with his superhero voice? It sounds ridiculous.

I like it when Oliver goes off the rails... Poor Felicity :(

Theory time.... Diggle is in the grave. Oliver is not talking about killing Darhk, but killing Andy Diggle, because Andy killed Digg.

Or

Diggle is in the grave, but Merlyn killed him, and Oliver has finally come to his senses about killing Merlyn.

Yeah I don't know about of any these theories, but I still think it's the Mom of Oliver's baby.

Thea could be a possibility I believe. Knew it wouldnt be Felicity though.

I don't think it's Thea.

Also Laurel remains to be the worst person of all time. How dare she gets mad at Oliver when she has done million of other dumb things, and never explains herself.

Also just one time I want one of Oliver's crazy plans to work.

My top list of suspects:

Felicity's Mom
Ollie's Son
Ollie's Son's Mom
Roy Harper

i've moved away from det. lance being my suspected grave-occupier, on account of felicity seemed way *too* upset about it to be him. like she would have been upset about it anyway but i dunno if quite to the level of tearily telling ollie to commit straight-up murder, unless she gets especially close with him while he's throwing it in her mum. plus the mum *has* been popping up a lot more recently, so wouldn't be totally surprised if it's her. still think it could be diggle but i honestly think that would be the dumbest fucking decision this show could make. ollie/diggle friendship is a goddamn pillar of the show, and i don't know that i would enjoy it anywhere near as much without it

they finally properly "oracled" felicity, too. my fiancee (who loves barbara gordon as oracle, don't get me wrong) has been quietly hoping that they'd at least give her that name as a call-sign, but if she's wheelchair-bound from here they've basically straight-up babs'ed her, so would be good for her to get a code name at last

interesting that darhk's wife seems to be totally complicit in his dealings too

dug anarky in his "complete" form. way better than he was before the break.

missed curtis though. was surprised he wasn't seen even in passing visiting felicity in hospital; feel like they've probably reached a stage where he'd do that for her

Lol I forgot about Curtis.

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yooooooo

I didn't see that coming...

Also thought this was going to be the worst Flashback ever, but the end of the flashback tied it together nicely.

Missed the code name Oliver gave Felicity. When did Diggle start going by Spartan? This was the first I've heard that.

Digging the costume, and I'm elated to see Vixen coming to the live action Flarrow-verse. Just wish they'd kept the short hair though. Looks better in my opinion. I mean I'm guessing the actress didn't wanna cut her hair, but it'd just look like 10x better in my opinion.

Overwatch. He said he was going to go with Oracle, but apparently it's taken.

No way Diggle dies after that at least I hope not. Im sticking my Thea assumption and possibly a Roy return as Speedy. Brings Malcolm back into the mix as a villian as well.

I really like the Flashbacks this year even though it seems like they have been put on the back burner so far. I still don't know where they are going with it, but I'm looking forward to it.

Good sword fight tonight as well.

guess it could be thea in the grave, if they don't pull her out of the coma. it'd be an easy path to follow from here

buuuut i can't really see ollie killing malcolm (i kind of expect merlyn to be the big bad again next season, having attained full 'archenemy' kinda skill/status, in what i assume will be the show's last year) but i also don't know that nyssa is so dead inside that she wouldn't give them the lotus regardless of whether he succeeds

her line about it kinda bothered me though; if there's a condition, you're not giving it freely. you're giving it conditionally. she should have just said "i'll give it to you on one condition" but i'm being pedantic as hell

either way, i've been wrong before. ANYWAY

about time we got in-canon confirmation that calculator is felicity's dad. feel like that's been fanon for like three years at least, so it's nice to see the show bring that to the screen

so glad to see curtis back also, fucking love that guy. marked out when he used the t-sphere, even if it kind of literally blew up in his face. hoping they start making solid traction on his development into mr terrific soon.

was good to see roy back in the mask. he rocks that arsenal costume. also lovely to see tatsu again. was worried they were gonna 'deadshot' her with suicide squad around the corner but i'm glad that she appears to have been spared a killing-off, for now

weirdly light on diggle this week but i guess he got a solid amount of focus last week so i didn't really notice

laurel seems to be getting marginally less terrible but that also might only be because she didn't do much this week

no idea at this advent how they're gonna weave in vixen, seems heaps left-field/unnecessary at the moment, but i remain excited by the prospect nonetheless

What do you think about The Island stuff?

i'm with you in that i'm not really sure what they're ramping up to. in theory they still have another entire year of flashbacks to get through next season before they "catch up" to the start of the series (which is part of why i think it will be a five-season show; plus i'd rather that they keep each individual show to a finite start-finish plan and just replace the old shows with new ones to keep the universe alive - so like a vixen standalone could replace arrow when it finishes [and have team arrow cameos on occasion if they're up for it], rather than just dragging the original show through seven-plus seasons for no reason - that said, i love arrow so i'll probably be all sad if they do can it at season five), so it can't be anything too major in terms of ultimately getting ollie on the path back to starling city for good.

i have liked this season's flashbacks more than the hong kong saga, definitely. dunno what it is that is so interesting about "the island", but i think maybe people felt cheated that he hadn't actually spent the full five years there, kinda. feel like i wasn't alone in not loving hong kong, so i'm glad they dumped him back in the thick of it. no idea what baron reiter's endgame is though. can't wait to see coughlan get his shit ruined; dude is the fucking worst. or he'll come to his senses and turn on reiter at the last minute and still die anyway. either way, i'm fine with it. they're clearly ramping up the mysticism of the whole thing so we should be in store for a pretty good back half.

was nice to see shado back for a spell too, even as a hallucination.

Wondering why they wouldn't just call John Constantine back.... if whatever he did worked for Sarah, just have him do his magic with Thea too....

... "web nuke"?

Just go with it Poit. I do it all the time :'(

Wait, I'm a bit confused. Has he been on the show before, and I forgot?

nah he hasn't been on it before, but people have been speculating about her dad for years and the calculator was one of the main recurring names brought up in the course thereof. sort of a "wouldn't it be cool if..." kinda thing that the showrunners were either aware of and ran with, or it just made the most sense and was gonna happen regardless

Oh, like, he's a guy from the comics?

Calculator was a dude from the comics

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Wore a calculator on his chest as part of his costume and fought Batman

Then he was "re-imagined" much later as the "anti-Oracle" (Oracle being the crippled Barbara Gordon). Hacker/Computer Wiz/Source of Info/Intel but for villains instead of heroes.

That was good some fuckin good Arrow. I didn't see any of the twist's coming.

However my early prediction of Oliver having to kill Malcolm at the end of the year and not Dahrk is right on the mark... So far

Pretty game-changing episode right there.

Glad to see Malcolm go full heel again. Never liked the shoe-horning of him into the ally role, however "reluctantly".

Easily one of the best episodes this season, and one I didn't just watch for the sake of it.

What is going on the Island? Lock Jaw fill me in.

Wonder what Dhark's role is going to be now?

I have no idea what is happening on the Island..... very interested to see what is in the cave....

Was Dahrk arrested, or what? Didn't he get beat unconscious? Would seem like he should have been arrested, or at the very least "unofficially jailed".

All I know is that in the comics, Baron Reiter was another name that Baron Blitzkrieg went by very briefly.... but the show character is nothing like him at all.

Dang..... just found out no new episodes of Arrow or The Flash until the end of March....

I hate this stupid break thing so much.

I'm about half way through this episode, and I have noticed one thing...

I hate Curtis... He's not doing the gay black demographic any favors.

That was the worst episode of Arrow ever.

I still like The Island stuff, and would like too see more of it.

Dunno, felt like that episode was still way better than this entire season in general. Or even last season.

Have really only been interested in the flashbacks this season. Still enjoy the show but Flash and Legends have more of my interest.

That was quality Arrow.

Yeah....

I know the showrunners are saying "this isn't a fake out", but I really feel like something fishy went on there....

Laurel being all "promise me something" and then they cut away and it is just Ollie and her in the room and she suddenly starts seizing..... fishy.....

Can't think of a good reason for them to fake her death and hide it from everyone else, though....

I know pretty much everyone here hated her character, but I didn't mind her, and I will miss her. I still wanted to eventually get a Laurel/Nyssa buddy cop episode where they fight crime and eat cheeseburgers.

Kind of shocked it was Laural, thought it was going to be Thea. Good episode though next week should be good.

I totally agree with the fake out. Or she give him some vital advice that will be key to Oliver's victory, and it will be referenced at some point.

I love BC/Laurel and I'm really annoyed by this...

Yeah. It's funny how we wouldnt have the other two without Arrow but it's become by far the worst of three. I dont hate it, but I find myself just sitting through it most of the time.

Good god I felt bad for Captain Lance there. Halfway expected him to have a heart attack and drop dead too. The whole thing did seem odd though, but I can't see them faking her death. I mean she'd have to know how hard it'd hit everyone, especially her dad. No way I could see Laurel doing that to everyone. Plus what do they really have to gain from it anyway? Whatever she told Oliver must have been important though. Maybe asked him to convince her sister to take up the name Black Canary again when she gets back from Legends of Tomorrow stuff? I just can't see them keeping the Black Canary name out of the Green Arrow continuity. I mean, yeah, Arrow has taken a lot of liberties from the comic continuity, but I don't see them flat out getting rid of such an important thing.

Lots of powerful emotional moments tonight.....

Also, I guess Barry gets his speed back.

Really want Nyssa to join the main cast....

So...arrow was shitty this week. Like...shitty enough to say this show sucks now.

Arrow tells diggle killing is bad, only to later vow to kill damion.

Felicity has become just thebworst thing ever.

They spoiled the flash

The death of Canary is fine...ish but spilling the beans about her at her funeral was stupid and pointless.

The whole episode was like watchjng BvS all over again. Trying to do half a dozen things and not doing any of them very well.

Really its been bas since the lead writers left for flash, but its gotten worse as time has gone on.

If it wasnt for crossovers id stop watching...still might.

It's definitely a bullshit season. It can't get any worse though, else it would be cancelled. Even the super annoying Felicity + Oliver shippers are not invested anymore.

I thought it was a good ending, and also thought Stephen Amell was really good.

I liked how they showed why Oliver went back to the Island after Season 1. I actually really liked that. I've always thought about that timeframe.

I do want Nysaa in the main cast as well, but I think Katrina Law is in another show so I don't think that can happen.

I was always against the expansion of this Arrow world(even though Flash is pretty awesome, and Legends is a fun show) because it was going to affect the quality of Arrow which it clearly has. I just want Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg to focus more on Arrow for season 5. Then everything will be fine.

Also I kind of think they should go back to that semi-realistic season 1 and somewhat semi-realistic season 2 vibe. Always have thought this magic stuff hasn't really worked well in Arrow.

I'm going to be fair... This episode tonight wasn't that bad. It had some good moments, and Stephen Amell was in everyone of the .This episode was 10 times better then the God Damn bee episode. I think Arrow will be getting be better to end the Season.

Sara did get a better memorial episode in Season 3. That episode was pantheon level Arrow. Might have to go rewatch that.

Diggle crossing the line tonight..... But he had to... Andy would never have stopped coming after him and his family....

Just like Slade Wilson will never have stopped coming after Oliver and his family, so he had to put him down................... Oh, wait...... never mind......

Then Diggle lied about it.!.!.!.!.

I like the crossing of the morality line. Also that was the first time since like season 1 episode 10 I believe that there weren't any flashbacks. Unless you count all that stuff on he Faux Island?

I also have no idea how Oliver could repel Dahrk's attack. I was kind of lost on that whole thing.

Looks like Thea is now in the Truman show.