cards and rams fighting it out for the West...

Vince Young and LenDale White in Tennessee is gonna be nuts in a few years though.

Um... Miami, definitely.

Last year everyone was talking about how the Colts were being favored by the league with there easy schedule, well i read somewhere that this years schedule they play 12 out of 16 games on artificial turf or indoors utilizing there speed.

So you're all probably right. I dunno.

For Gonzos sake, here are a couple of random guesses, without any prior research

AFC East
New England 11-5
Miami 11-5
Buffalo 7-9
NY Jets 6-10


AFC North
Pittsburgh 12-4
Cincinnatti 11-5
Baltimore 7-9
Cleveland 6-10

AFC South
Indianapolis 13-3
Jacksonville 9-7
Tennessee 7-9
Houston 5-11

AFC West
Denver 13-3
Kansas City 10-6
San Diego 10-6
Oakland 8-8

NFL East
Washington 10-6
NY Giants 9-7
Dallas 9-7
Philadelphia 6-10

NFC North
Minnesota 9-7
Chicago 8-8
Detroit 6-10
Green Bay 6-10

NFC South
Carolina 11-5
Tampa Bay 10-6
Atlanta 7-9
New Orleans 4-12

NFC West
Seattle 11-5
Arizona 9-9
St. Louis 6-10
San Francisco 5-11

AFC Championships
Pittsburgh over Denver
NFC Championships
Carolina over Seattle

Super Bowl
Carolina over Pittsburgh

Not sure if your numbers add up there (excl. Arizona at 9-9) but I understand it's just a rough guess. I'd probably agree with most of it, only I don't think there's any way Chargers win 10 games.

Chad Jackson is winning rookie of the year

NFC East is going to be nuts. Every team is ridiculously stacked.

Yeah I noticed the 9-9 after posting, I meant 8-8. But yeah, the numbers don't match up with schedules or anything, just a rough estimate of about where there records would be.

Miami Dolphins picked up Marcus Vick. How many QBs does it take to make a great team?

Yeah it is. If the Eagles get back to top playing form, its really going to be a toss up.

Kind of sucks, because as a Giants fan I'm loving the fact that our team is absolutely stacked. Then, when I realize so are all the other teams in our division its like :|

Lil Mexico was signed to play WR.

Culpepper will be missing at least the first half of the season.

Joey Harrington is quite possibly the worst QB of all time.

...they're still lacking in the QB department. :(

Don't worry, Eagles won't go anywhere. Not without Brad Childress!!!! :lol:

The only thing i can make of Miami is that they are worried Culpepper might not be ready for the start of the season or he might be 1 whole season away from being ready period.

The Steelers are not winning 12 games this year.

This article in SI about Hines Ward kind of made him seem like an asshole. Like does he think he is the only person who has had a tough life? He is still really bitter for a dude who makes 25 mil for playing a game - There are plenty of people in the world who have had a shitty life but guess what..they didn't get to sign a 25 million dollar contract, or get a free college education. They are still living the struggle.

My SI subscription is still going to school, those bastards. At least it's free.

7-9 Falcons? With (what looks to be) one of the sickest D-Lines in the league? No way. The Falcons will be sick this year. Mark my words.

It could happen, pretty tough division right there.

Thats why I don't really contest the Giants going 9-7, it could happen easily because a few games could go either way. The division is so crazy good that it could happen.

I've always thought Ward was like a cool guy or whatever - plus I like that the fact that lights dudes up while blocking but he came off as an asshole in SI article. He even bashed Bill Cower for "not giving him a chance as a Rookie" and how they keep drafting other wideouts. While some of this grips are legit, some of the shit he was saying was pretty stupid. I realize he had a rough life, I can only imagine being half Korean/half black must suck since it is nearly impossible to accepted anywhere but come on man let it go you are making millons of dollars to play fucking football.

They very well could be, but the Bucs and Panthers both made the playoffs last year and should both be a little better. DeAngelo Williams could make an early impact and Cadillac will have a season under his belt. No doubt another hot division, but I guess we'll find out. That's what the seasons for.

AFC East
New England 12-4
Miami 11-5
NY Jets 8-8
Buffalo 4-12


AFC North
Pittsburgh 11-5
Cincinnatti 10-6
Baltimore 8-8
Cleveland 8-8

AFC South
Indianapolis 14-2
Jacksonville 11-5
Tennessee 6-10
Houston 5-11

AFC West
Denver 14-2
Kansas City 12-4
San Diego 10-6
Oakland 4-12

NFL East
Dallas 12-4
NY Giants 10-6
Philadelphia 9-7
Washington 6-10

NFC North
Green Bay 10-6
Chicago 9-7
Detroit 6-10
Minnesota 5-11

NFC South
Tampa Bay 12-4
Carolina 11-5
Atlanta 9-7
New Orleans 4-12

NFC West
Seattle 11-5
Arizona 10-6
St. Louis 7-9
San Francisco 5-11

AFC Championships
Indianapolis vs New England
NFC Championships
Dallas vs Giants

Super Bowl
Indianapolis over Dallas

1: Let him have a chip on his shoulder. He's not the fastest, strongest or best guy but he plays like a freak. You only do that with a chip on your shoulder. If he actually realized how lucky he truly is, he'd probably start sucking hardcore.

2: SI has a way of bringing out the worst in people. I don't know if they embellish, or know how to ask the right/wrong questions, to be honest. They made Kevin Garnett sound like an asshole. Sure, on the court he would rip your nuts off and shove them down your throat if you pissed him off. But off the court, he's definitely crazy... but he's also one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet (so I've heard).

Rectal, the Packers 10-6? Armed with Brett "I don't like to get hit so I force balls" Favre and who else? Donald Driver? Easily the worst division in football this year, I don't think any team there will win 10 games, but if one does it will be the Bears or the Vikings.

Lions have had a good team but a horrible QB. Now they have a good team and a good QB (Kitna).

I think all 4 teams have a chance at it. Green Bay because of Favre alone.

AFC East
New England 10-6
Miami 10-6
NY Jets 7-9
Buffalo 6-10

AFC North
Pittsburgh 11-5
Cincinnatti 10-6
Baltimore 7-9
Cleveland 5-11

AFC South
Indianapolis 13-3
Jacksonville 9-7
Tennessee 6-10
Houston 4-12

AFC West
Denver 12-4
Kansas City 11-5
San Diego 9-7
Oakland 3-13

NFC East
NY Giants 11-5
Dallas 10-6
Philadelphia 9-7
Washington 6-10

NFC North
Green Bay 10-6
Chicago 8-8
Detroit 4-12
Minnesota 7-9

NFC South
Tampa Bay 10-6
Carolina 10-6
Atlanta 8-8
New Orleans 4-12

NFC West
Seattle 13-3
Arizona 9-7
St. Louis 6-10
San Francisco 4-12

Something like that, off the top of my head though.

Yeah, but you can't really hold it against him like Alphabean said. If you think about it he is basically doing the same thing the Patriots have done, even when they weren't underdogs anymore, they would basically take anyting negative said about them, or spin things so that they could play with a chip on their shoulder.

On the football field that's fine - The article was also about his upbringing too. I looked it over again today, and I could see Bean's points about SI bringing out the worst of people too tho, it probably isn't as bad as I thought it was when I first saw it.

While I think he should continue to have a chip on his shoulder in regards to football (shit the Steelers drafted ANOTHER WR this year) He shouldn't come out and pubicly bash the coach. Since you guys are bringing up the Patriot comparisons, when the last time you heard a memeber of the Patriots bash their coach?

Did he say more than the fact that he was upset that he was benched right away? Because without reading the article it sounds like just an issue from before. But of course, Ward is still here and works his ass off for Cowher. So there might have been a problem years ago, but I wouldn't think it's still there today.

Also, Bill Belicheck is perfect in every way. The only thing anyone can ever fault him on, besides the Browns experiment, is his hoodie.

He said he has nothing to say to Cowher for he did to him and that he does not have a warm relationship with his coach.

Cowher is quoted in the article saying he was only trying to add depth and he respects Ward's abilities.

Yah thats my sleeper pick. They were beat up last year man. Lost there starting reciever, top two Rb's on the depth chart. Farve had to make plays out of hardly nothing and was pretty well exposed. I think AJ Hawk will be defensive player of the year. They have a decent core at defense and like you said. That division is shit. So i say why not?

AJ Hawk is a sick fuck

Nah I was a firm believer that the only reason Favre played shitty was because he had fucking nobody around him. You couldn't plug anyone in there and do good with what he dealt with last year.

Who the fuck heard of Samkon Gado before last year? Lost a shitload of guys on the offensive side of the ball, can't blame Favre for the team doing shitty as a result. I don't even know where the shit came up about him retiring either, he still has a couple good years.

Best thing I've heard all day. Thank you. :y:

But who did they add that is going to win all those games for them? They didn't get Walker back and nobody in the draft is really going to save their offense.

They got the gun slinger throwing it into triple coverage!

Ahman Green isn't that bad, and Donald Driver isn't too bad either. They aren't superstars, they also have Bubba Franks. They have weapons, and Favre can still ball.

HE brought that shit up about him retiring... because he said they won't help him, and they HAVE NOT. Instead of drafting someone to win with, they drafted Favre's "heir," in Rodgers. Then they trade away their #2 receiver after getting rid of their #1 CB before last season. He wanted an improvement, and didn't get it.

I agree that they lost a lot. But don't absolve Favre for his indecision on whether he wanted to retire or not.

And Ahman Green is coming off what, a torn Quad or something? We'll see how he does. Dunno if he's going to be able to come back. He missed a few games, came back and left again. He might be done.

lol wtf

haha Just saw it on the internet. It is from when McPhearson got under the guard instead of the center during one of the pre-season games

I just noticed that the Vikings traded Hank Baskett for Billy McMullen. Baskett was a free agent out of New Mexico this year, but he seems like the kind of guy who could be good. Our school played New Mexico this year and he just tore us up. I'm pretty sure he has good size as well. McMullen is a former third round draft pick who did basically nothing in Philadelphia, but I am interested in seeing if Baskett pans out at all.

Why don't we just trade Charles Gordon :mad:

They also have even less of an offensive line than last year.

Seriously, the CARDS have a better O-line right now.

Meh, I am not really optimistic for the Rams this year. They have made some moves, but still. Kinda tough schedule if I remember correctly.

I dunno there's nothing really wrong with the Rams offence, Linehan should be able to balance it a bit more and if Jackson can get some consistency in his game he could be enormous this year. Plus Haslett should tighten up the defence a bit, Witherspoon was a great pickup.

I bet Raonall Smith does better than Will Witherspoon if he gets enough playing time and stays healthy.

Yeah, I'm just used to getting my hopes up a lot, and then just get really hurt during the season, so I'm tryin not to get my hopes up too much.

Scott Linehan is a freaking genius. What he did in Minnesota, and what happened after he left should show you. Or where Miami was two years ago, then what happened when he came in last year -- for one season -- and made them a top-rated offense and almost made the playoffs.

Remains to be seen whether he can succeed as a HC though. And Haslett is an asshole who will make the defense tough. He should never be a head coach again though.

Reggie Bush's request to wear #5 got denied. McPhearson must be pretty happy seeing how he was #5 last season and I am assuming he would be #5 this season as well? Nobody really ever mentioned McPhearson's feelings about this whole matter, but I guess that is what happens when you make up fake checks while in college.

It would have been cool for Reggie to be No. 5, but I am glad the NFL denied it because other guys don't need to be outside of the alotted 30 numbers.

I think the numbering system in the NFL is pretty stupid. It really makes no sense to have it at all. Just use the NCAA/high school rules, 50-79 are ineligable recievers and can only be worn by lineman on offense. That is the only numbers that need to be kept "seperate" to help the refs, their is no reason why other positions should be limited to certain numbers. Mario Willaims rocking #9 at defensive end was pimp, #90 is not.

Reggie should pull a Greg Jones or Edgerin James and rock a two digit number that adds up to their single digit college number.

I wonder if he is still gonna wear #5 practice jersey like Deion or Charles Woodson (both wear #2 practice jerseys)

profootballtalk.com thinks that changing the rule would be the downfall of the NFL. All the old people I talk to about it say the same thing. The fucking rule was invented in like 1970. The NFL was around for about 50 years by then. To say that changing your number does anything to the sport or to tradition is so idiotic. Seriously. Anyone who argues that point really just pisses me off. :rant:

In the regular season, yeah.

Carson Palmer is looking pretty sexy on the cover of Sports Illustrated this week. So he should reinjure his leg sometime soon.

Nah aslong as he's not on the cover of Madden . I think he'll be ok.

I bet the Patriots end up getting David Patten back.

I'm just saying, it would be cool for Reggie Bush to be No. 5, but then when you go around and see Damien Nash or Ciatrick Faison wearing it?

lol How would changing the rule ruin the NFL? A lot of NFL rules are so dumb, the worst is having to wear a sock with two different colors. Where the hell did that come from and why do poeple think it looks good?

I personally like how the NFL has such a sound dress code. It helps seperate it from college football.

yah but this is football.

I think there is plenty of other things that seperate the NFL from NCAA football, most notably the quality of the players. Don't need stupid uniform rules to establish this.

The NFL is the professional league, with the professional standards which include sound uniforms. College football is amateur and it comes right down to the uniforms. A team like Florida has a look that can not be replicated in the NFL, and I think that is good for both the NFL and the NCAA.

Actually the socks really aren't "uniform" becuase they aren't all the same. Each player can pick how much white or how much team color they wany showing, they just need to have each others showing. So guys like Mike Vick wear a sock that is like 95% red and 5% while other players could be wearing the traditional %25 red %75 white

I'm pretty sure the NFL is really strict about the sox so that they don't cover up too much of the colored thing. I remember Moss used to always get fined for that.

That's gay though. The NFL is pro. It's like Hollywood. They need to make it LESS like college, where college is like... "Yeah you can put stickers on your helmet, BUT, you can't do anything else." I wanna see some face paint, some greater hits, some end zone taunts, some fun. I love that. I want to see personality. But whatever.

Isn't it also true that you can't have any of your skin showing between your pants and socks? O_o

YOU KNOW WHAT I MISS?

BELLIES HANGING OUT OF JERSEYS. That was the greatest thing in the world, when a jersey was just too small and a guy's gut was swinging freely in the breeze. When did they stop that? It was so awesome.

Yeah you can't have any skin showing

And that look with the half shirts kinda went out of style I guess? It used to be big in college.

It was kind of an 80's thing really, but some dudes in the 90's kinda did it but it wasn't as ridiculous

HIIIYOOOOOOO

OH SNAP!

LOL if you get ankle tackled and your sock's pulled down or whatever you gotta get out of the game to fix it. :lol:

Also, I should write a heartfelt letter to Vince Wilfork or Pat Williams. Begging them puhleeeeeeeease show me some belly.

Well I don't think its an instant fine, I am sure they have time to get them back up. Knowing the NFL though probably not.

Somehow 2 different colored socks is more professional looking then every memeber of the team wearing socks of the same length/color? As long as its uniform between all the memebers of the team then it should be fine. I don't understand why they don't just use crew socks or something, it is pretty obvious the majority of the players would rather do that. I went to a Patriots training camp practice and I think 3 guys out the entire team had high socks on, so I think that right there shows the players' stance on the issue.

The poor NBA players aren't even gonna be allowed to wear tights :( I guess because those have been earmarked for the NFL.

Stima, I'm not sure where you got the two-colored socks thing. Outside of the Patriots, I'm pretty sure most teams wear a colored thing (not a sock) around their lower legs and then a normal sock. There are all kinds of regulations in terms of the length of the actual sock, but I've never heard it has to be two colors.

http://www.tristarproductions.com/Sa...Warner_MVP.jpg

See this is how most teams wear their socks. The blue part isn't an actual sock, it's like the thing AI wears on his left arm but for your leg, or else it could be tights. The sock is just a normal white sock.

<font color=goldenrod>Damn, Giants sign Rob Johnson to compete with Tim Hasselbeck for the backup QB spot. Woulda rather had Fiedler</font>

Players do that sometimes, or they just wear the 2 different colored high socks. Sock or sleeve or whatever, it doesnt really matter, the rule is dumb.

They even see the 2 different colored socks..
http://www.eastbay.com/catalog/produ...166809&sport=0

They must have both colors showing, I believe it has to be something like alteast one inch of each color. The length the sock must be up to pad level so no skin is showing, it doesn't matter how much of the white or how much of the "team color" is showing, as long as their atleast one inch of both (Obviously if their only one inch of one color, there is going to be way more of the other) That is why Michael Vick can wear sock that is about 95% red and not get fined. Randy Moss got fined because he probably just wore an all purple sock, or something to that extent.

http://www.nfl.com/u/nfl/photos/nfl1b18_lower.jpg
Portis got fined wearing that and I agree that he should have because that just looks stupid.

But at the sametime Shawn Springs gets fined every game because he wears his pants short and above his knee caps, which is pretty ridiculous. Why does that matter? He probably thinks it effects his performance.

They have also banned tinted eyesheilds unless they are needed to protect a players eyes(must provide a doctors note to wear one lol what is this 5th grade?) Such a dumb rule, the mirror tinted Oakley visors are the shit.

The guy standing behind Portis seems to be wearing like tights under his socks, where as in the pic you posted of Warner, it looks like he is wearing a 2 different colored sock. I dont really know why any of that matters tho lol, I just saying 2 different colored sock to make it easier, but yeah they do use both styles.

This has got to be the most dominant discussion on these boards EVER. Anyway, I'm pretty sure you have to have more of the team color than one inch. The reason Portis was fined for that picture is because the team was supposed to wear white socks on red and he wore red on red. (I ran into it while researching for this thread)

Why don't they quit being women and let the players wear what they want

Stima, I think the 1/2 inch rule is how much skin you can have showing

That would lead to the downfall of pro football as we know it.

You are getting too much into specifics. I don't really care about the exact limitations but the players have a certain window where they are allowed to wear a certain amount of each color. So each player could have a different percentage of one color showing in aspects to the other player, thus eliminating the "uniform effect" So their reasoning behind the stupid looking socks is, well, stupid.

College uniforms look way better than NFL ones (Talking about overall unifrom, pants jersey helmets socks etc) and I really don't get why the NFL does not realize this. They could capitalize on something like that and make even more money.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Its not hurting the NFL to have uniform rules and theres no real reason to change it. Probably not a big contributor but theres a reason that the NFL is the most well run professional league in America.

The NFL is the daddy of all football leagues. They're like the WWE in that they swallow every other league whole. Football has the most allure of any sport anymore. It's not hard to "run the NFL right."

And I promise you that letting Reggie Bush wear #5 and "619" under his eyes is not going to make a lick of difference. It might actually improve things.

They better enforce the hair rule and make Troy Polamalu get a haircut. And I think they should eliminate visors, because those give certain people a "personalized look," as well.

Yep. Tattoos, too. Cut 'em out.

It's not at all a contributor

The NBA also has a strict uniform policy and that league is a complete mess. Remember a few years back when they said Kobe's shorts were too long?

The entire Minnesota Timberwolves team was fined, too.

Then Shaq wore some John Stockton shorts. It was so sexy.

Yeah I think some uniform rules need to be inplace to keep the game looking professional, but the majority of them are flat out stupid. I am not saying changing the policies would bring in more ratings or something, I am just saying the curret look of the socks are stupid.

http://www.sportsmed.buffalo.edu/mcgahee.jpg
That visor is pimp, banned by the NFL though. Apparently that "depersonalizes" the game since we can't see his eyes. haha I can't even tell that is McGahee without seeing his eyes, I mean since it is so easy to see a guys eyes with a helmet on

I actually prefer the NFL socks in the NFL, if that makes sense. It wouldn't be the same to see NFL players wearing short socks, it's like a trademark of college football.

And what I was saying is that you are wrong about the length of the white sock. Yes, a certain percentage of each must be showing, but you can't do like 95-5. The 1/2 inch rule that you are thinking of is the amount of skin that is allowed at the top.

Yeah I dont really care about the exact percentage. I am pretty sure players are allowed to have like, lets say 50/50 or like 60/40 or like 30/70. It still eliminates the NFLs excuse that they want all the socks to look the same, becuase they don't.

Also there is plenty of college teams that do wear the NFL style of socks too and it look just as dumb, so saying it seperates the NFL from NCAA isn't relaly true. Not even every team in the NFL wheres the 2 different colored socks, Patriots have a style where there is just 3 stripes on the top. Redskins have a style where it is like 3 brown/3 gold strips. I just don't get why they came up this look and who thinks it looks good. It is the most ridiculous thing ever to wear two different colored socks and I really don't understand where it came from.

Bunch of white haired old dudes deciding what "looks good" is a pretty ridiculous concept all together though, so I guess the 2 different colored socks makes sense.

Wow I missed that there was a new page. I like the dark visor, didn't Ricky Williams wear one? But just my point is that the two football leagues rely on being different than each other. That is why college teams that play in pro stadiums don't work very well. There is nothing like Happy Valley or the Big Shoe in the NFL. An NFL team could easily build a similar stadium and probably sell it out, but watching Michigan play in the Big House is a lot different than watching the Lions play there. And I think it carries right over into uniforms.

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/football/ncaa/...otos/miami.jpg

When I look at that, I just immediately identify that with college football, specifically in the south. The players just have such a distinctly different look than NFL players, and I don't see any reason to mesh them together.

The other thing, somebody mentioned the NBA dress code like it was a bad thing. In my opinion, that is a step in the right direction for this league. Football is considered by most as the best run professional league in sports. You can try to deny that, but consider what we complain about in the NFL as compared to the other leagues.

MLB: Steroids
NBA: Non-guaranteed contracts, too-money oriented, players don't try
NFL: Uniform restrictions, end zone celebrations

The NFL takes away the stupid shit that makes the NBA bad. Non-guaranteed contracts, the season and playoffs are not too long, selfish players are put in check (see Terrell Owens compared to Stephon Marbury), and the NFL has a good image. In reality, the NFL is probably just as dirty off the field as the NBA, but NBA players definately have a worse image. I would prefer the NFL to be too-strict outside of the game without sacraficing the actual gameplay, and it's quite obvious that MLB and NBA are not strict enough and that leads right into the gameplay (steroids in MLB and lazy players in the NBA). The best NBA players already are popular without the extra shit.

How is TO really put in check though? He just got signed to another big contract and continued to get endorsement deals while he was suspended. He also got paid for 4 games while he sat at home and did nothing.

And how does the NFL have the best imagine when one of its best running backs quit to go smoke weed in Asia, came back for a season, got caught smoking weed and is now playing in the CFL? While another player got caught at the airport with a fake dick in his bag so he could pass a piss test. All the leagues have their faults, I think the only reason the NFL is more "professional" than other leagues is because the NFL front office actaully runs the NFL, where as in sports like baseball and basketball the players run the league (Especially in baseball)

The NFL has credibility because of guys like Ricky Williams and Onterrio Smith. There are rumors circulating that a third of NBA players play every game high, yet Chris Anderson is the only noteworthy player to ever be punished. The fact that the NFL actually does something about their problem players shows that it has more control than any other league.

As for TO, he lost a lot of money, lost basically a full season in his prime and I'm pretty sure his new deal has a lot of clauses about his antics. In the NBA, Stephon Marbury or Allen Iverson put up hissy fits, continue to play selfishly and get raises.

People see the NFL as the most professional because the NFLPA does not run the NFL, thus allowing the "professional" people in the NFL Front office to keep control. In MLB, MLBPA runs the show, I am pretty sure if a new CBA isn't instated by July (Or sometime in the near future, pretty sure it is July) Major League Baseball with revert back to its old drug policy. Thus showing that MLB Front Office is completely powerless.

I really don't see how people consider the NFL more professional than the NBA though, they both seem to have pretty good "credibility" - the NFL just happens to be more popular at this point in time.

The difference between the contracts came because players in the NFL are a lot more likely to get hurt, so teams do not want to pay injuried players. That is where the non-guarenteed contact came from so owners/coaches are able to use that power to cut players under contract. Thus elminating more "hissy fits" from players because they know they will be fired, I really don't see less "hissy fits" going on in the NFL than the NBA though. Chad Johnson was rumored to get into it with his coach in the locker room of the playoff game, Chris Henry is being tried on gun charges, as well as Sean Taylor. What is gonna happen to Sean Taylor after being caught with a gun?...nothing. So if anything, the NFL is showing that on the field incidents like fighting with your QB are more important then carrying around an illegal handgun.

The NFL contracts lead to more hold outs and that makes the players look like "greedy assholes" when really they are just doing the samething the owners are doing. The owners aren't loyal to players, why should the players be loyal to teams? I have no problem with the players "Fuck you pay me" attitudes because you sign a 7 year deal for 60mil but after 3 years its could be "Fuck you you're cut." Also when is the last time you saw the first pick in the NBA draft cry and complain about not wanting to play in a certain city, then get his request approved and traded to a different team? So while the NBA players have more of a "thug image" (That has nothing to do with 95% of the players being black either) they really aren't any different than players in the NFL. I think the NFL and NBA are very similar in regardles to their professionalism. Plus outside of Ricky Williams, who is another 'key" person banned because of drugs? Outside of a couple guys getting 4 suspensions for steriods I can't remember any.

And with that said i'll add this..


Bob Sanders might be the greatest saftey in the history of football after this upcoming season.

Never too early...
 

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bastard, i created one too cuz i didn't see a thread on it.

This will be the 5th year for my league and, since most of my friends backed out at the end of last year, this is the first "open invite" i've had.

NAH CHILL ON THAT. Let the people who usually run it, run it. Yours will be a last resort or so.

No prob Rox

Stima, Allan Houston is making 19 million dollars this year, as is Chris Webber. Michael Finley is making 18 mil, Brian Grant 16 mil, Anfernee Hardaway is making 15 mil, Tim Thomas 14 mil and Antonio Davis 13 mil. That is why you need non-guaranteed contraacts, especially with a salary capped league.

You can't compare the 2 leagues like that though, basketball and football are very different games. Just take a look at a training camp, you got 70 or so guys going out 53 spots on the active roster. In the NBA you don't see 20 extra guys going out for the team, for the most part, there is one or maybe two open spots on an NBA roster. The NFL needs the non-guaranteed contracts because if a player goes on IR, an NFL franchise can go out and sign a player then cut him when the other player comes back from injury. Things like that are why, in theory, the NFL has non-guaranteed contracts. They don't have them so they can cut people who are assholes. Plus in the NFL, look at some guys getting paid huge signing bonuses who ended up being busts. You really can't compare an NFL contract to an NBA contract but an NFL contract is front heavy with huge signing bonuses because that money is guaranteed, where as in the NBA it is more spread out because why do the players care when they are getting the money? They are gonna get all of it at some point.