is stevenson the guy who won a series of the ultimate fighter?

Yes he won season 2 as a welterweight.

so did the commission completely lay the hammer on sherk? last i heard he was just being delayed till nov. 13

Why are they dubbing it "interim" lightweight title? Just freakin' strip Sherk...we don't need no stinkin' "interim".

And also I would've made it B.J. Penn vs. Kenny Florian for the Lightweight Title.

They are not going to strip Sherk.

Dana white already said that because the CSAC has bobbled this thing more then enough times, he isnt going to strip Sherk because of it. He will just have the guys fight for the interim until Sherk comes off of suspension (if he gets one) and then have the winner fight Sean.

Florian just had the last title shot.

I didnt get any pics but I was at the IFL battleground in chicago tonight. Pretty sweet. I got to see ken and frank shamrock, pat militich, and randy cotour all in person which was pretty sweet. The lightweights had some sweet fights though.

Pretty sure the last title match was Sherk vs. Franca

Yup. Florian's shot was over a year ago. And he took Sherk the distance, losing by decision. Since then he has done nothing but win, and win very convincingly.

Florian's last 4 fights:


Win Din Thomas Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) UFC - Fight Night 11 9/19/2007 1 4:31
Win Alvin Robinson Submission (Strikes) UFC 73 - Stacked 7/7/2007 1 4:30
Win Dokonjonosuke Mishima Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC - Fight Night 9 4/5/2007 3 3:57
Loss Sean Sherk Decision (Unanimous) UFC 64 - Unstoppable 10/14/2006 5 5:00

Stevenson deserves a shot more than Florian does at this stage.

Very true

JOE DADDY

Lesnar vs. Mir @ UFC 81

I thought this would be his first fight when I heard he demanded a name fighter.

Well it's sink or swim for Brock.

Mir by armbar in the 1st round. That'd be funny. Lesnar takes him down right away and tries to dominate but Mir catches him.

huge win for either guy should be exciting

I read that after the Hughes vs Serra match, Hughes is intrested in moving up a weight class and taking on Anderson Silva.

I hate Hughes , but that would be an amazing matchup.

I'd love to see Hughes get his shit pushed in by Silva

I dont know. Depends on if Hughes is at his absolute best. I think he'd be the best competition Silva has ever seen and i'd give him a chance to win.

Honestly, I love Hughes - I do... so this may be bias, but I think all of Hughes' positives take away all of Silva's best attacks. I'd love to see it, and see Hughes pull out a W.

Can Hughes get inside of Silva's long arms and legs?

Yeah it's bias. Anderson Silva would fucking eat him alive.

explain this because im thinking u dont know what ur talking about.

that would be so dumb... the 170 class was pretty much his exclusive weight class for a number of years... no other org. really had it and he was the top dog there... if he went up, hed get his shit rocked. If GSP could get the knock out on him then silva would destroy him. Everyone might not know this but silva is really really good on the ground.

I'm really starting to believe Silva is the best P4P in the world.

I already believe it. I would have said GSP before Serra KO'd him.

well if you get caught you get caught.... i saw a match where a guy did a flying ankle lock on silva haha

So what’s going to happen with the heavyweight title then? Now that Randy has given up?

And I’m glad that Hughes is going to move up a weight, because I’d love to see him get destroyed by Silva, although I’m routing for Serra, so if Hughes loses, would he get that match?

I think Silva needs to move up a weight after the (potential) Hughes fight, who else is there left for him to beat?

And I’m still campaigning for Rampage Vs Griffin. Everyone loves Forest

IS this Hughes moving up confirmed?

Thats the thing, he was pretty mediocre when he fought in Pride. But he has gotten exponentially better throughout his career. And the rate at which he has improved is incredible too.

The plan is to offer Randy a fight with Big Nog and if he refuses, he'll be stripped of the title and the Sylvia will fight Nog for the vacant belt.

Silva shouldn't go near 205lbs. Too much competition there. I see Bisping, Evans and maybe even Shogun dropping to 185lbs sooner or later. Henderson definately will if he resigns.

The Hughes thing is a rumor, but seems to have some smoke and where there is smoke, theres fire.

I think you guys are totally wrong. I dont think Silva will destroy Hughes. And i think Hughes is going to kill Serra. Hughes has a chance against Silva. His ground game is way better then Silvas no matter what anyone thinks and his Wrestling will offset Silva's stand up game which happens to be the best thing he has. I dont think Hughes would win outright, but i think it would be very close.

Well either way, if Silva moves up or those other guys move down, just want to see see Silva get some competition.

And Sylvia in the title scene again :( although his fight against cabbage was legendary/hilarious. So when can we expect a decision from Randy?

Why does everyone thing Hughes is gonna kill Serra?

Serra has given BJ Penn a much closer fight then Matt Hughes ever did. Hell if BJ Penn's ribs didn't get broken he would have won clearly. This is going to be a much closer fight then everyone thinks.

Didn't Hughes beat Penn the last time?

explain how his ground game is so much better than silvas

Yea because he was in so much better shape than penn. But that also had to do with the fact that penn took the fight on very short notice. Theres no question that penn is ten times more talented than hughes in striking and ground game.

I'd say the new years show.

What Reavant said

I was just saying that the statement "Serra gave Penn a better fight than Hughes ever did" is entirely inaccurate. Serra gave Penn a tough fight, Penn won. Hughes beat Penn, so how did Serra compete better with Penn if Hughes actually BEAT him?

Did you see the fight?

BJ Penn dominted the first two rounds, and then got his ribs broken. Matt Serra was never dominted in their fight like Hughes was in his 2nd fight with Penn.

Gotta look at the whole fight.

How were his ribs broken?

Never heard his ribs were broken.

And I did see the fight. And it looked like Penn gased, at which point Hughes took over.

EVEN IF THAT IS SO...okay were his ribs broken coming into the fight? No. He got them broken during the fight.

Hello. They're fighting. You might get a broken rib. It's not like an injury is an unexpected consequence of fighting. No, it's part of the fight. He got his ribs broken. And then he lost.

I think you would have to credit Hughes MORE for injuring his opponent, not the other way around.

"Hughes would've lost if he hasn't ripped his arm out of his socket, what a bitch!11!"

Yeh. Exactly. Breaking your ribs isn't like an "Oh well he would have on but he got hurt..." Well...Chuck Liddell would have beat Quinton Jackson had he not been punched in the face.

I give all the credit in the world to Hughes. He pulled it out, and he's a winner. Pure and simple, but if BJ Penn and Matt Hughes fight ten times BJ Penn at least wins 7 probably 8 of them.

There is no way you can convince me that Hughes is that much better then Matt Serra. Still I'm not saying Serra is gonna win, but it's not gonna be a squash match.

The deciding factor is going to be striking. Serra is very good on the ground and can pull submissions off almost like penn. Hughes is good on the ground too, but hes basically just a ground and pounder and either waits for his opponent to give then theyre back or losen up an arm and lock in an americana or key lock.

serra is too dangerous on the ground for hughes to do that. Plus one of hughes biggest goals in fighting is to win by a knockout and i think that serra has pissed him off enough that hughes will try and go for it.

People think that because of the GSP win, that serra's striking is phenominal. Well, maybe it is, but hes only showed it for one match, and most likely it was a fluke than not, and I see hughes thinking the same way.

I dont think it will be a squash between Hughes and Serra but I definetly thinks its one sided. Hughes is going to be the stronger of the two, and unless Serra lands a clean shot on Hughes on the feet, I dont actually see Hughes being submitted. Last time Hughes was sub'd outside of BJ Penn (which was set up by a beautiful right from over the top) was Dennis Hallman at the beginning of his career. The guy fights very methodical and isnt known for getting caught in subs.

Hughes last fight with BJ he did get caught in a sub, a triangle choke and survived it for 2 minutes. People say that BJ broke his ribs because his camp said that he broke his ribs, and I dont believe it actually. I dont ever remember seeing anything from NSAC saying that Penn was forced to sit out for any period of time because of injury. I can/could be wrong, but I actually just believe that BJ blew his wad trying to stop Hughes with the triangle and gassed because of it.

The buzzer saved Hughes from a submission loss to GSP in the second fight.

hughes is gettin old too. He has not performed anywhere near his talent level in the last three fights. Plus he said he was getting burnt out on the ultimate fighter. I can see him getting focused and beating serra but i can also see him losing to serra just as much.

If he beats Serra, GSP is gonna end his career.

I could see him being dick enough to retire right after he wins the belt off of serra so he could say he retired champion

I could too but I doubt it. Too much money in the game now.

To much Hughes hating going on in this thread.

Anyways, UFC 78 BITCHES!

Fisher and Edgar for fight of the night, although I believe Parisyan and Chonan will be flashy as well. Alexander and Silva will be fun to watch, probably going to be a brutal slugfest, or maybe we will get a chance to see Houston's ground game if Silva shoots on him. Main event is fun simply for the fact that I want to see both of these guys get knocked out really bad, and I dont care who it is!

This ppv intrigues me because they didnt bother to create a main event :D

Just like UFNs?

God I hope Rashad knocks the shit out of Bisping.

well those arent ppvs... maybe this was supposed to be an UFN and they just put it in the wrong list or some shit and now we have this

That's not happening.


Oh and Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou has signed for the UFC. He fights Lyoto Machida on the December show on the undercard of Serra vs. Hughes and Silva vs. Liddell.

Yea, even though alot of people like Rashad from his fight with Tito, I still consider Bisping the favorite in the match. Evans seems to have a problem finishing fights; while he did win by KO in the two fights before Tito, he had let the fight go to decision in his five fights before that. On the other hand, Bisping has only had one fight go to decision. Still, I'm not a fan of Bisping so I continue to hope Rashad beats him.

Evans vs. Bisping, Battle of the Over-rateds.

Still watching it though.

Leaving in 4 hours, fuck yeah

Still wish I was watching it. :(

I really wanted to see Thiago/Houston and Karo/Ryo.

Houston Alexander just lost via TKO in Round 1.

:eek:

Watch the show online. Total garbage. Possibly the worst UFC show in the Zuffa era since the first one they controlled (I forget the number).

Houston Alexander has ZERO ground game. Tough luck pal. Made me happy though that his bandwagon got humbled. Too old to learn any new stuff that he can actually get good at and make use of. Undercard fighter at best now.

Joe Lauzon looked great. Apparently all the dark fights were really good :(

Karo vs. Ryo was boring as fuck. Many takedowns by Karo and he couldn't pass guard one single time.

Rashad Evans beat Michael Bisping by split decision. Going on past fights, I would have agreed with the decision but it only proves that wrestling takedowns should not be scored positively by the judges unless they lead to more aggressive action. If you have seen one Evans fight, you've seen them all. Couple of takedowns then constant cuddles. I was expecting him to try and kiss Bisping at one point. Looks like 185lbs for Bisping though which should be good. Evans will get killed by Rampage if they fight now. Dana White was mega happy with the fight too. Dunno why cos it sucked a cock.

I wont disagree that the card was subpar, but thats a dumb statement. Ryo Chonan is a decent veteran, just because Karo couldnt pass his gaurd doesnt mean Karo was the guy to point fingers at. Seemed like 2 good veterans of the sport having a fight to me, albeit a lackluster one.

And I completely agree that the scoring needs to be reworked, but so does every other hardcore mma fan.

Karo after the fight said he fought like shit. No need to point fingers when he admitted it was shit himself.

Trust me, some don't. Mostly guys who love Rashad Evans or Josh Koscheck.

Holy shit.

UFC 82 - Dan Henderson vs Anderson Silva

HOLY SHIT

What in the good god fuck were they thinking stopping the Lytle vs Alves fight. That was on its way to being the fight of the year.


( Chris Lytle is the man cause he's from Indiana. So is John Fitch )

Amazing to see a fight live, recommend it to everyone to do at least once

Yeah like Rob said the undercard fights were all good. JoeLau deserves to be on the main card with that win

The Prudential Center is siiiick. Seats a little narrow but awesome arena.

common now. if your getting taken down then your doing something wrong. now if the person who is doing the takedowns cant do shit on the ground doest mean the takedowns shouldnt be scored, it means they need to learn how to fight on the ground. takedowns should be scored just as much as clean strikes because you can get knocked out by a well positioned takedown just like a well placed shot to the chin.

Im sure your a big bisbing fan and im not a rashad fan but you have to admit tht the only thing that bisbing did was stand up from takedowns. he was tenetive the entire time and let rashad control the pace of the fight. maybe rashad didnt really BEAT bisbing but bisbing did nothing to win the fight.

I've got a question though....who the hell were those refs last night?? Where were guys like Herb Dean, Steve Mazzagatti(sp?) and "big" John McCarthy?

Fucking Christ! give dan some guys to beat before he gets sent into another title fight. this could be pretty damaging to his image in terms of how US fans see him because he could easily lose to silva and be 0-2 in the UFC albeit in two different weight classes, but the normal fans are dumb and so is the management in the UFC.

HAHA i know! the one guy looked like the security gaurd from jerry springer on steroids and the other guy literally looked like an alien... on steroids as well. His cranium was huge and his face was tiny.

I wouldn't want Herb Dean calling one of my fights. He'd have tried to call the Alexander-Silva fight after Houston's big takedown.

:shifty:

Yeh I'm not a big Herb Dean fan either...a nasty staredown is grounds for ref stoppage in his book.

I like Herb Dean

Doing a takedown which leads to something aggressive is fine. Otherwise it's the ground game equievent of a jab. I like Bisping but thought he lost but the takedown thing has bothered me for ages. It was just worse the other night when Bisping got up from every single takedown without too much trouble. Ortiz, Liddell and Hughes always capitalise on the takedown. Evans never does which is a shame because obviously it works for him.

New Jersey appointed their own referees and wanted nobody connected with the UFC. The refs all did good jobs and all have past MMA experience. I think 2 of them have previously worked old UFC shows. I'd worry about their doctors though.

I see what your sayen. I just think not scoring for take downs at all would be extreme. For example, If Bisbing offset the takedowns with something aggressive like good strikes or just going after evans on the feet, then Id say that giving evans the fight because he took bisbing down would be bull shit. However this is one of the times where takedowns were the only difference and the only thing done to counter them was stand up and escape. It would be like two fighters standing and one guy just lands jabs or leg kicks the whole fight and the other guy just checks them. I thought the fight was boring as hell, as Im sure you did too. I dunno, Im not trying to argue or anything cuz I agree with you for the most part, like i said I just dont think that they can change the way they score takedowns.

Man that fight sucked though (bisping), there were a few snorefests, which is a shame, as I'm a Karo fan, and I think he desrves a title shot, but with performances like that...

He controlled the whole fight, but there was just nothing to it

It wasn't Bisping's fault is sucked mate. The live crowd was turning on Evans according to a couple of people I know who were there. Just a bad show.

Undercard was solid, and yeah the crowd turned on the main fight

That should never have been a main event. 5 Champions in the company and you cant have one title fight every ppv?

One champion left the company. One champion is out injured until roughly March. One champion is fighting a drug suspension (and even then, a title fight has been lined up). One champion just fought on PPV and the last is gonna be fighting on the next one.

This is why you can't have title fights on every show. And Zuffa should have got a deal with Tito Ortiz signed first before they planned the show.

Don't they have some sort of injury rule? Like if your out for X amount of days and can't defend you have to give it up?

I agree that a title fight on each show would be better, or at least a number 1 contender fight on each show. That's 10 main events right there.

But obviously right now it's kind of hard to when you only have 2 active champs

its only if its career threatening or over a year long injury that they impliment the injury policy

It's still hard your way. Say GSP beat Koscheck and was #1 to Hughes or Serra and one of them got hurt, you lost a fight right there.

I recal a PPV that had 2 titles fights on it. I know Tim Sylvia sucks ass, but still, there should not be 2 title fights on one PPV.

Totally agree with that too. Only time I had no problem with it was when the winners of TUF 4 were meant to get title shots on the same show and that didn't happen eventually.

Ok, well at least have a marquee match with 'name' on it then.

The only guys I was interested in for the last show were Karo and Housten, now I admit to being a casual fan and most of my knowledge of UFC comes from those UFC unleashed shows that are on Bravo, but they were the most exciting fighters to me personally based on what I've seen them do.

I would think that they should be trying harder to get me as a casual to want to watch it, when it's Rampage Vs Chuck, I'm there, when it's Griffin Vs anyone, i'm there. But Bisping/Evans just doesn't set my world on fire. I know they need to build potential stars, but I think they are choosing the wrong type of people for the job

That's exactly my feeling. TUFers aren't necessarily stars. Yeah good fighters but just cuz somebody was on TUF doesn't mean they should headline a mediocre PPV. Try to put a title fight or a name on a card. Hell, had it been Rashad vs Tito 2 I would've been more interested. Tito vs Bisbing would've been something. No I'm not really a Tito fan but the guy creates a buzz.

O NO... From Meltzer

UFC's biggest grudge of the year is off



It was announced officially today that UFC welterweight champion Matt Serra suffered a herniated disc in his lower back in a freak training accident on Monday and after being examined, pulled out today of his match with Matt Hughes, scheduled for 12/29 in Las Vegas.

That fucking sucks. They better not strip Serra of the title.