They can't kill themselves (a sin no less) but they can sacrifice themselves, as Charile and Michael have. Perhaps redemption?

MIB can't kill them while they are on the Island, he needs them, he said he is 3 shy of getting on the plane aka off the Island, I'm still unsure as to whether that is what he REALLY plans to do - Also, if Widmore IS there to make sure he doesn't get off, why has he not destroyed the plane already?

So MIB needs the candidates, he needs their 'soul' their will their choice to be with him, which will give him all the 'power' and he will be able to leave. So won't kill them, and obviously Jacob doesn't want to either.

Michael tried to kill himself. Twice.

He ran a car into a wall and lived.

He was going to shoot himself, and Tom Friendly stopped him. So SOMETHING stopped him. And Friendly explained it as the island not being done with him.. but I think it is just the same thing that Richard and Jack had done to them.

The whole point of that Richard trying to kill himself episode was to show that Jack was the same way. And I'm willing to bet that the rest of the people 'touched' by Jacob had the same thing happen to them as well.

Think of this too.. Locke was GOING to hang himself.. but SOMETHING intervened. He couldn't kill himself.

My guess would be that he'd more prefer to have MIB than to just stop him from leaving, I guess as to prevent any problems in the future.

Just a guess, but as always with this damn show, I'll be wrong

Good points. Much appreciated for answering that in what, less than a half hour? :y:

Richard cant kill himself as he cannot die in any way

sorry, should of clarified that I wanted to go back to the beginning and try to look for those little things.

Ah, cool. Well there's one for ya.

Also just remembered that there is a picture of Eloise Hawking on the desk of the monk in the monastray that Desmond is at in one of his episodes.

There has been nothing to indicate that though, and everything to indicate that he has more in common with our Losties.

Richard said he never wants to die - he is more than often referred to as someone who 'doesn't age' - He said that he can't kill himself, but that someone else would have to do it for him.

I'm pretty sure MIB could kill him if he wanted to, especially if or when he becomes all powerful. And he will if MIB 'wins'. He will cease to exist.

As someone who does not watch Lost I can only assume all this talk of "MIB" is in reference to Michael Ian Black, making this the mpost awesome show ever.

Also I smell like poop and I eat poop and my breath smells like poop

Get the hell out of here. Right now.

jesus WTF

My DVR didnt tape this and I was soooo excited. When does ABC .com post new episodes?

dude, it was a fucking awesome episode. they just keep getting better. I think they should have it up tomorrow

Next week Michael :eek:

great episode tonight. Desmond always delivers

it will be up on hulu.com by tomorrow morning

awesome :love:

love Desmond. Great to see that other people are aware that things aren't right. Also.. the limo driver was the guy from the boat that came to the island who died because he didn't have a constant. Just in case anyone didn't notice that.

nope, would of never noticed that. I don't even remember the guy or whay season that was from.

Also, lol @ Charlie saying "That's my band" again. I mark out everytime he gloats about Driveshaft

Call him "The Plague."

Alternate Reality is The Village.

I guess Desmond really did see all those people in another life, brotha. A-cha cha

Missed it last night but just watched it on ABC.com.

Goddamn what a great episode. Things have really ratcheted up since the Richard episode. It's probably going to be insanity from here on out

How many are left, 5 or 6?

I believe there are 7 hours of Lost left. 5 episodes and then the 2 hour finale, so 6 episodes total.

I wonder if the dead people Hurley talks to are crossing over from the alternate reality. C

harlie has seemed to been experiencing another reality, and remember when he visited Hurley in the mental hospital, Charlie told Hurley "He wasnt dead"

George Minkowski.

I love how even in the alt verse, Eloise is in the know.

Damn, best episode of the season in my view

Do you think that Widmore sent Desmond to the alt-universe to bring back a bit of Desmond's pro-Widmore consciousness?

It seemed odd that he was suddenly happy to help out Widmore

HAAA HAA HA HAAAA!!!!!!!!!

This weeks episode was pretty tame what I thought all the way through. Then the last dialogue between Desmond and Minkowski (I did notice) is what I predicted along the way with regard to what and how I think the realities will merge.

When he asked for the manifest, and when he told George why he wanted it, I got goosebumps on my back!

Also, is showing up in an empty arena where a girl is working out, saying her name when she has never met you, and then fainting in front of her a good method for getting dates? I gotta try this. I'll report my findings later.

I think Desmond realized that things CAN be changed, and that's what made him want to help..

Ok. So they kind of drop a bit onto us through Faraday that setting off the bomb created the alt verse.

I think not.

I think the Alt verse is created when MiB leaves the Island. He wins. Everyone tht everyone knows ceases to exist and is replaced by the alt verse. In this, the MIB gives everyone what they want.(But at a cost)

JAck is a good father
Claire has Aaron
Nadia is alive
Desmond has Widmores approval
Charlies band is still together

But what people want is not necessarily what is best for them and all. Desmond is going to help awaken people to their true lives, which they will see that helping the MIB wont give them what they want. they will then help the side of jacob.

Or something.

To Desmond though, the reality where he was, was good for him. I agree that he realizes things can be changed. But I think it's more than that. Like Jack, through his experiences and realizations, he now knows something big is at work. He didn't seem to afraid to see or go with Sayid. I think there is more at work.

What?

It was the bomb that altered and created an alternate universe. I feel as though it's too late for their to be another explanation as well as tie up the entire story and have everything fall into place.

I believe what he will 'show them', is what I suggested a few times during this new season. He is going to show them by getting them all together again. On a plane. The plane will end up 'crashing' and taking/merging everyone back on the Island, bringing back to life and whole again, John Locke.

I have never believed the bomb theory, since it alters things much farther back than the crash. Jack has a 14 year old son for christ sakes. Where did he come from?

I still think that they will say the Nuke got everyone back to the right time, and thats it.

I bet they throw all kinds of new shit at us next week. Lost doesnt care about answering old questions.

What about charlie?

Nikki? Paulo? Charlotte? Daniel? Eko? Libby? Michelle Rdoriguez?

Are their bodies going to just come backto life underground/water too?

There is no make Locke whole, his body isnt MIB.

What about them? They all have their place in the new alternate reality. But they do not matter this time round because they have already played their part the first time round (the events on and off Island that lead to the point we are at now) - The people on the plane Desmond needs to show something are the main people - the candidates.

Just because The Island is underwater, I'm sure The Island is still very much an entity with power.

If things go the way I suggest - Say another Plane flies over the Pacific, a white flash occurs, it will be The Island taking them from the alternate reality, and placing them BACK on the Island where Jack and co are now. Bringing the alive, alternate Locke back would possibly force MIB out of Locke's body and bring back the real Locke. He has a body, he is capable of touching things and physically being there.

You say their part has played out...well so has Lockes. I dont get where you are ocming from with this Locke Resurrection stuff.

Locke is dead. His body is buried. MIB just looks like him. He used him as a puppet.

I get where you are coming from sort of, but if you want to say locke is coming back, so is everyone. If not, it will combine the realities, with Locke still being dead.

I guess so, but Jacob had the power to bring Locke back to life, so I believe The Island will also. Whether that's because MIB 'broke the rules' or not, I dunno. But I just believe Locke, the real Locke has more of a role to play. Other than Jack, I think he is the only other person to take over Jacob. I guess I just want him to come back I'm looking for possible ideas.

Regardless, what Desmond will do, its going to be something big.

lol Michelle Rodriguez

I do like Hanso's idea a lot better then them crashing AGAIN. Ugh

What was her character name? Escapes me :)

with all the shit they have done with like consciousness and memories, I think its more likely they just pull a desmond type move and merge.

fuck I can't remember. I just was watching Season 2 like two days ago too. lol

Ana Lucia

With your idea though, that MIB wins. Everything points towards the idea that he is evil, he will spread his evil and everyone will cease to exist. So how can reality/the world and everyone still be if he wins?

So with all of the flash sideways paralleling or mirroring on-island events in certain ways, it got me thinking back to the first few seasons.

Remember how the flashbacks would always mirror reality in certain ways? Back then, I obviously just thought that it was clever way of highlighting certain character traits, but could it be more significant than that?

Maybe they weren't flashbacks?

give an example if you can

The bomb that set the alternate universe into motion detonated in 1977. Jack's son was presumably born somewhere around 1990.

They also address the island being destroyed, by showing it at the bottom of the ocean. The statue is still there, the Dharma initiative is still there, etc.
That's because those things were built before 1977. It's on the bottom of the ocean from 1977 onwards though.

The only people who would have been on the island at that time are Ben Linus, and his father. It's specifically addressed though, that Roger Linus was a workman for the DI on the island, with Ben, but he decided to leave his job.
They returned back to the mainland before the bomb went off, which is when the alternate reality began to unfold.

Honestly can't remember at all, it's been so long since I've seen the earliest episodes.

When they weren't directly parallel they were almost always thematically linked, it seemed

Well in a way they were and in a way they were not. It's like whenever we saw flashbacks, we were aware that what we were seeing on-island was the present and they were the past. Then when we saw the flash-forward at the end of season 3, it's like everything we know and had seen, we know were aware had already happened. Is that what you mean?

Shit is heating up!
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lol at that cutting. It's so obvious that "I know what we need to do" and "trust me Jack" are seperate clips taken from different places in the episode and spliced together to make it sound like he's saying that.

Not knocking it. That's common in any trailer or preview. Just stood out as kind of funny here.

I really really can't wait for these next 6 episodes. I am pissed that I have to wait a week in between each. I love watching them in big doses. This is the first season that I've watched week to week in their original airing.

I watched the other seasons in serious binges in 2008-2009. I think I was still on season 4 when season 5 started, so I avoided the show and waited until I could get a hold of all the episodes on the internet.

I kind of miss barracading for hours and getting way into it. Though week to week is exciting. There was definitely a feeling surrounding the premiere this year that you just can't get on DVD. The idea that the whole world is watching it live. That will be even more epic for the finale.

I remember when the show started, Hugo didn't really 'seem' like a major character, but he was always a funny guy. Now, he's totally gonna pull something out of his ass and save the day. I love it. :D

Yeah big time, it's awesome around that finale time.

I have watched LOST weekly ever since the first episode, so I am kind used to it, and in a weird way I prefer it.

I watched seasons 1-5 straight through a second time this fall. I was introducing my brother to it.

I'll probably watch this whole season through again in the days leading up to the finale, just to get all primed and pumped up.

Definitely going to watch the whole complete thing all the way through again once it's over. Can't wait to do that. Will be really interesting (as if it weren't already)

Going to be cool to revisit the series every few years too. Like most great shows or movies, it will probably be the type of thing that you forget how awesome it is and fall back in love with it again every so often.

I really think Lost will be looked back on with even more praise than it is now. Just as a concept and experience, and quality obviously. Plus the fact that it was such a huge hit, but had the discipline to stay on track, take risks, and end on it's own terms.
And obviously it's going to change television since no TV show has really ever been like this one, and tons of things are going to follow it's lead.

It will never happen, but it would be kinda cool to see everything happen in chronological order somehow once it's all released on DVD.

I have seasons 1,2,3 on DVD and 4,5 and 6 on my computer.

I WILL be purchasing the whole 6 season box set once it's released. Not kind of purchasing pattern has ever been exhibited by me with regard to any other TV show.

I don't think I would ever watch the Nikki and Paulo episode again.

Still can't believe they actually found the Pearl station first, kinda made Eko's journey with Locke seem less significant. Glad they are dead.

lol word


I don't know what episodes are my "favorites", since it's not like other TV shows. It's really just chapters. I don't ever watch random episodes, like I would for something like The Simpsons or X-Files, because everything is ongoing.

Tricia Tanaka Is Dead stands out to me as an episode that I loved, and found to be a good standalone. Not much, if anything, happens with the overall mythology but it's really interesting/funny and has amazing character development.

The 2 part season finale of Season 3 stands out as incredible. But I still think my favorite episode (and that's saying a lot) is the 4th episode of Season 1. Walkabout.
The first John Locke episode. It blew my mind and still does.

This season has really had some episodes that are up there.

Confidence Man will always be my favourite ep.

Great book too

Im still not totally convinced the bomb is why the island is at the bottom of the ocean, though I think it is the most likely answer. Roger Linus shot Sayid the day the bomb went off, did he have enough time to get off the island?

Also, Widmore and Eloise were both on the Island as well, and in the new reality, they are married and living happily off the island. Did they have enough time to get off the island too?

The Constant is my fav

I'm personally not saying whenever I say it that the bomb is what sent the Island to the sea bed, rather IT IS what split reality in two.

Think you are going on a theory that the incident/the bomb did sink the Island, when really, it didn't necessarily cause a hydrogen explosion, it in fact silenced the pocket of energy or altered it. The bomb did go off, but it didn't cause a massive explosion. Pretty sure if it did, the Barracks wouldn't even be standing, but they were pretty much intact.

I kinda liked that episode. Mostly for the powerlines/Paulo lies/paralyzed stuff ig I'm honest.

That episode was great for what it was.

They said before it came out that they were just gonna have some fun with the characters and give them a ridiculous send off.

They also said it was their loving attempt at a CSI-esque episode, and in that respect, they did awesome work

More clever than any CSI episode I can remember seeing

Anyone know if it is possible for a nuclear weapon to emit its EMP but not cause a full fledged nuclear explosion?

Because that would certainly explain a lot.

It had Billy Dee Williams in it. For that reason alone, it's not bad

Yeah I enjoyed it too. Was a great episode to get rid of a couple of mediocre characters.

I hear ya :y:

Well Faraday's plan revolved on having the thermonuclear core being removed from the bomb and used. I'm not a bomb expert, to me, that just sounds like the real dangerous and main part of the bomb was used.

I don't know if we will EVER find out the precise scienfific way in which the bomb was used with the pocket of energy. I guess it more a case of two powers colliding and the effects either being made through science, or even part of some kind of higher Island power?

What I also want to know is, what makes Eloise so special?

As I pointed out a page or so ago - in season 3, Flashes Before Your Eyes, As Desmond was experiencing the price of turning that fail-safe key, his consciousness was travelling through time - yet somehow and for some reason, before he had even left for the Island, Eloise Hawking knew about it - she knew what he was meant to do, she knew about course correction - she was his guide. And yet STILL, in an alternate reality - she knows something else, she knows Desmond isn't ready for something. I just don't get how she could be this 'guide' and know about all this stuff. Fair enough, she was the leader of The Others, and she killed her own son, but still. How can she have that knowledge and tact?

Pretty sure she is the keeper of the time line, and can probably shift/retain consciousness across time and into different universes

I don't think so - she has never been in any experiments, near any radiation or turned any fail safe key. Desmond is only able to withstand it because of the key turning and or because The Island chose to have him survive.

If anything, she has some kind of relationship with or had one with Jacob where he trusted her enough to know something extra, or even with Faraday's notes, she somehow come to learn and realise what is going on. Esp since his notebook contained the words, 'If anything goes wrong Desmond Hume will be my constant'.

need to find what song that is. love that violin part

and how fitting, the song is called Nearly Home by Broken Records. Thanks to YouTube user colucciskiller

lol I love youtube user comments:

'I'm committing suicide when lost ends.'

Just thought of this... if those who have been touched can't kill themselves, that could be why Desmond survived turning the key.

Jacob touched Desmond?

No that hasn't been shown or mentioned yet. He touched Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Sayeed and I'm not sure who else, but not Desmond to our knowledge.

Desmond did meet/talk to Libby though. I don't know what that was all about. Still curious if her meeting Desmond/being in the same mental hospital as Hurley was all just coincidence or is part of something more

There hasn't been any hint at it, but there is the fact that MIB stated that people were a candidate, until they weren't.. and they'd get their names scratched off.

Now, granted.. we don't know how Jacob knows anything. But wouldn't he want to protect all of his investments to make sure they do what they have to?

And ESPECIALLY if that 'protection' helps them achieve what they're supposed to. So one could look at it from the point of view that without that protection, Desmond might have died, and never done what he was meant to do later BECAUSE of what happened to him when he survived the incident.

that doesnt explain widmore electrocuting him in the last episode and him still living.... the first flash did something to him and was never going to kill him

Desmond episodes always rock. Been my favorite character since his first episode.

I know some people don't like him, but Charlie was one of my favorites too. Awesome to see him with a big role in that last episode.

I'd say the first flash certainly DID something to him, but I would put what it did to him, as the thing that happened due to him not being able to kill himself...

As in.. it wasn't so simple as a fuse going out. That energy HAD to be released. So since he couldn't kill himself.. it was as if he was MEANT to turn the key, because of the event that took place when he did.. The whole traveling to another life, and flashing between realities, etc..

So yeah. The flash did something to him, and it made him 'special' so to speak. Capable of doing these things, and now in a position to tell the people in the alternate reality what he's experienced. Widmore shocking him again wouldn't do anything now, because of whatever the first shock did to him.


I look at it as just a possible avenue of Jacob's plan.

So tonight sees the return of...

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I hope when this is all done, they reveal original plans for characters they had to kill off for various reasons

IE

Libby (DUI)
Ana Lucia (DUI)
Eko (Left the show for another)

etc.

I heard that Ana was only going to be a one season character even without the DUI.

So, "their coming" will that refer to Widmore's new science team with the Danielle Rouseau lookalike?

Or, that the Alternate Universe Oceanic 815'ers will be coming?

Or MVP?

About Eko: I'm sure that Desmond replaced whatever function Mr. Eko was going to perform. He was always about trying to save Charlie too.

Read somewhere that after it ends the writers won't be talking about anything.

Basically when it's done, they're done.

Think I'd prefer they just let Lost end on TV. IMO that's where it belongs. A movie just wouldn't feel the same to me.

Eko left the show because the actor's brother died and he is very religious and I think he requested to be written out.

Desmond was an important character of season 2 onward, he turned the key which started off his true story line at the end of season 2, Eko didn't get killed off until episode 5 of season 3. Desmond's storyline was always Desmond's to begin with.

Eko seemed pretty important at one point though. Hopefully they at the very least MENTION him sometime.

He did indeed.

Think he was last mentioned as being an opponant of Hurley's at a game of chess, 'Your move, Mr. Eko' lol

Either wikipedia or lostpedia said he wanted back in for the last season. Hope that happens.

I personally think there ARE a fair few more people to come back; Eko, Libby, Ana Lucia, Shannon, Boone again maybe, Charlie more, even Juliet.

If he shows up it will be in the alternate universe