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network subs aren't really a great indicator of why people are signing up. is it for new content or the old content? to use that as an indicator of anything other than revenue, we'd need the number of views on the videos available.
yes, having a successful network is great for business, but how much is based on nostalgia and how much on the current product? i'd be more interested in knowing that. |
You know if WWE wanted to make more money off the network they should sell timeslots to promotions they good with. Promotions like Reality of Wrestling and Evolve would be great in the network. Probably won't but its just a thought I had.
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For some comparisons, this was last year's viewership for the same week:
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network subscriptions though guys. It makes up for all of it. ALLLLLL OF IT
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I watch NXT on TV over here. If they dropped it, I'd probably just stop watching. Sincerely can't stand WWE's main product more than I love NXT. Vince and Kevin Dunn pretty much plucked all the talent I was really invested in from NXT anyway.
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I couldn't even bring myself to watch Survivor Series for free on Sunday.
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Calling Becky up to the main roster has been bittersweet. Sure, it's great to see her making money on the big stage; but it felt like she had so much left to achieve in her program with Sasha Banks. I would have loved to have seen them get to compete in the first-ever women's Ladder Match officially sanctioned by the WWE, or in the Iron Man Match. But anyway, what does Mick Foley know about wrestling, right? |
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Wrestling has become the most predictable thing ever. Even the most diehard fans of "technical wrestling" can't only watch for well executed hammerlocks? Actual storytelling is still needed and there doesn't seem to be any anymore. So it's no surprise their ratings are dropping.
I've not watched an episode of Raw in years, and I've seen only 2-3 Ppv matches in about 3 or 4 years. Yet I watched Survivor Series after hearing there'd be a tournament plus a Taker "anniversary match" and I knew who was going to win every match. There's nothing of interest happening. |
Guys Vince expected this, of course it was going to drop below the 3 million mark. There is a lot of ways to consume media these days through streaming sites for example. This is good news for WWE, 2 million is bigger than 1 million right? No other wrestling company is even at the 1 million mark. [/CyNick]
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well his wife is a gorgeous model lol
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MNF featured the undefeated New England Patriots, one of the biggest draws in the sport. As a result MNF had more than 2 million viewers WoW or a 17% gain. RAW lost 300K viewers WoW or a 10% decline in viewership. Keep in mind, this is before any DVR numbers are calculated. Another show I track on Monday's is this Love and Hip Hop show on VH1 which does well on Mondays. It was down 13% in viewership. I tried to see if there was panick on the L&HH message board, but couldn't find the thread on ratings. Its a good indication that RAW wasn't so much bad, as MNF just had the game that casual fans felt was can't miss. RAW was as usual one of the top 3 most watched things on cable on Monday night. It usually hovers between #2 and #3, depending on how well Sportscenter does (up 9% this week). Clearly football was devastating to RAW this week, but it'll be intetesting to see if the DVR numbers make up some of the decline WoW. That said, declines are never a good thing, but context is important. |
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He doesn't understand the conplexities of booking, just wants the 2 or 3 people he likes to be pushed to the moon. It's funny, he complains about Cesaro, it looked to me like Cesaro was about to get pushed, and he gets injured. How is that WWEs fault? As for the girls, hey I look at the positive, they got two segments on the show. The focus is on the title. The Paige-Charlotte match was good, and set up a future match. The other girls will get their time to shine eventually. |
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I would recommend reading some articles about viewership on cable. It will give you a better understanding. |
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It's sad that Cynicks arguments are inevitably the ones that are being made at the top of WWE too. Just churn out the next batch of samsie TV, nothing exciting, keep the motor running...Cena will be back soon and we can rely on him again. It's sad.
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Network subscriptions going up could have very little to do with the actual product. Same with advertisers. IN FACT advertisers being interested in television series can have a lot to do with an actual decline in the integrity of a product depending on how you look at it. #fatherknowsbest |
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Well the stance is this. We are looking at it from an art stand point, CyNick is looking at it from a business standpoint.
Now I know he'll tell you a bunch of horseshit about how he enjoys the product, but that is clearly because he is a troglodyte. |
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In recent years WWE has made an effort to make the product more appealing to advertisers. Possibly at the expense of some viewers. But the net effect has been higher TV rights fees. As long as those are going in the right direction, WWE is happy. Again, and this point will be glossed over or ignored in your response, that isn't to say a 10% WoW decline is positive, you just have to understand the bigger picture. |
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Revenues continue to grow, so overall, things are positive. Maybe the ratings are an indication of future revenue decline, but it could also be an indication of a bunch of other factors as well (ie overall decline in TV viewership). |
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I'm just trying to put TV numbers in perspective. |
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lol oh jeez
You realize we all know this right? You aren't exactly reinventing our knowledge wheel. We understand many of the decisions made and why the production is the way it is. That doesn't mean we need to appreciate steaming piles of crap heaped in front of us. For instance, we understand why the commentators no longer really story tell or commentate matches. They need to SHILL SHILL SHILL because of the advertising and the pace they have to move at. We get it. It's a tough fucking job with the expectations placed in front of them. It doesn't make it any less soul less. WWE is a money making machine, it's not wrestling. Many of us like wrestling. We also like Sports Entertainment, and stories which we can really take a bite out of. But that means the stories being told have to speak to us. Which they don't. Because the product isn't very good, because it doesn't have to be. Because they won years and years and years ago. So instead of appealing to people with half a brain and making a decent cohesive product, they appeal to advertisers for higher tv fees. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the product is good. Which you love to argue. Mind you, if you enjoy it that's your deal. Fine. Cool. Amazing. It's great that you have no taste. |
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Sorry before you try "strengthen" your argument. We keep up but we don't watch. Because we love wrestling. But we don't sit around watching RAW knowing we hate it. We love wrestling and WWE is all there really is in the main stream. So we gripe about it because we're passionate on something we always loved growing up.
Okay now tell me how I don't understand and am a lesser being than you. |
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WWE has also had a ton of bad luck recently, which spoiled some short term plans. |
Roman does fail every time he picks up a mic. Vince is dead set on pushing the guy that doesn't deserve the push he's getting.
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WWE to be successful needs to appeal to a wide base. What's intetesting is people like you think your opinion on the current state of the product is the right one. When someone like me comes along and says I actually like the show, I am the villain. I've never once told anyone they are WRONG for disliking the product. Yet, you claim I have no taste. It's funny to me that you guys get worked up that a weekly viewer of RAW actually enjoys RAW. |
Wow you're casting a lot of emotions on me big guy.
You're allowed to enjoy the product, we're allowed to bring up reasons we think you're wrong. :) And I don't think it's the end of the world. I just think it's indicative of the fact that they aren't producing quality. They're the only game in town so the ratings will be back. But once again #fatherknowsbest |
Really hate how Reigns was champion for 5 minutes and has never held another singles title and has an automatic rematch already. What has Roman done to deserve a rematch? It just lazy booking and storytelling.
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if you actually don't watch, then you should have no opinion on the product. I dont go on a Bachelor message board and say the show currently sucks because I watched it 7 years ago. It would be ignorant. |
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His look. That has always been his thing. |
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