well 4 full days.

new episode Tuesday homie

unless I missed something

Oh right, I forgot I watched it basically 2 days after it aired haha.

Actually they covered their asses with that one back in Season 5. When they get back to the beach after the first few jumps in time they still have the little speed boat from the freighter, Juliet guesses that whatever they have with them travels with them through time.

We see it again with the canoe-style boat and the rope that goes down the well.


As for the "Alternate Universe", I figured everything we had seen would turn out to be the result of whatever happens in this season. Not so sure now.

Good episode. Not full of big revelations like the first, but that's to be expected. Now they'll start the gradual build.
Good character development scenes.

Some cool stuff though. Some more light shed on what's going on with The Man In The Black.
Finally they addressed Claire disappearing with "Christian".

Was not anticipating a Mac Attack at all.

line of the night by the funniest character ever, Miles to Sayid

"as you can see, Hurley has assumed the position as leader....That's great"

Linus is far funnier and he doesn't even try to be.

Jack: "What's going to happen to all these other people when this plane crashes?"

Linus: "Who cares?!"

Locke: 'You just killed everyone on that boat!'

Linus: 'So?'

lol another great one

Don't forget the classic scene of Ben and Hurley sharing an Apollo bar.

Or right before Ben knocks out the Arab guy in the Tunisian desert with a rifle butt -

'Oh, so you do speak English...'

Hurley throws a hot pocket at Linus and he just sidesteps it

But Locke isn't the smoke monster, Locke is dead. The guy that wanted to kill Jacob clearly has an ability to inhabit dead people on the island so he became Christian to make Locke go back and die before returning to the island so he could become Locke and make Ben kill Jacob as he was unable to himself.

Really hope they don't have him/it take over Sayid's body now though and use that to gain entrance to the temple as that wouldn't make much sense if hes been able to take over any body on the island he should have had a much easier time of it all. Hope its explained away that people have to arrive dead before he can take over or something.

The thing that is taking over Sayeed isn't the same as The Man In Black imitating Locke and Christian though, I don't think.

In the case of Locke and Christian, their form is used by the Man in Black, and they remain dead.

I gathered that Sayeed is slowly being turned into some kind of servant to The Man in Black, just like Claire has been

That was my take on it too. We know that there is some kind of "war" being waged - more than likely between Jacob and MIB. Claire and Sayid have been "claimed" for MIB's side.

Love the way they've swung the characters of Jack and Sawyer to start this season. Last season at this time Jack was a whiny bitch and Sawyer was his tough wannabe cowboy self.

Claire has been claimed. The asian leader told Jack.

I wonder if this infection has anything to do with the shots Desmond and the hatch workers before him took regularly.
I had chalked that up as some lie/experiment/placebo from the Dharma Initiative, but it may actually have meaning

I don't know if there's any way to tell between those who are sick and those who are inhabited by the MIB. The only sick people we saw were the Frenchies, and we saw them attacked by the Monster only to be "released."

It seemed to me that Claire showed some sort of surprise when she saw Jin. We've never seen any of MIB's incarnations show any emotion at all.

Claire is not MIB. Nor is Sayid. MIB is "dressed up as" Locke on the other side of the island, more than likely making his way to the temple.

We're being told that Sayid and Claire have been "claimed", probably for the use of MIB but I don't think Claire/Sayid are in the same state as "Locke" or "Christian".

Think there are going to be different 'claimed' types.

Claire has been 'claimed' yet she is not dead, she appears to be confused and going mad, kinda like Danielle did or was. The 'sickness'. When her team arrived, they got 'sick', one of those guys was taken by the monster and he had changed and tried to kill Danielle.

Then there's people like Charlie and Christian, who are dead and appear to be influencing people to do tasks. If someone else has been using Jacob's cabin, and Christian took Claire and she is now 'claimed', then there is some kind of line or difference between those who are dead and those who are not.

Then again, Walt appeared to Locke and saved him in the Dharma pit, and yet he is not dead, nor do I believe he could be 'claimed', after all he is 'special'. BUT then again, Jacob didn't 'claim' Walt or Charlie, I think his chosen primaries are the ones he touched in The Incident.

Flocke could be heading to The Temple, but I believe they picked early footage of the series to use in the trailer. If this is correct, I suggest he is on his way there, but ultimately arrives at the Barracks to coerce Sawyer into joining his side, since Sawyer is broken and full of dread and pain and harbors hate for Jack. I just got this feeling Flocke will home in on this and manage to get him on his side. But then Jacob did visit Sawyer and presumably 'claimed' him.

Im starting to think Claire died in the cabin when the Merc blew it up.

THen she came back much like Sayid and stumbles out only to dissappear.

That is why the others knew he was "infected". The waters may be some form of healing via Jacob, which didnt work since he was dead (Which is why thewater was colored) and the Man in Black/FLocke can bring people back from the dead with his power, but you become one of his people.

I imagine they dipped young ben in that same healing water.

MIB has some form of power over death.

He has appeared seemingly as the 2 dead bodies brought to the island. And those who died on the island he has "claimed"

When Ben was saved as a child by Richard, Richard told them his innocence would be lost forever. He would always be 'one of them'.



With the whole water thing, it's like sign that badness/the 'destiny' over free will aspect is winning - Flocke has a body, his army is growing, Jacob is dead, etc - there is this frame on the trailer where he takes a white rock off the scales, suggesting the dark rock/badness is winning.

I agree MIB has some kind of power, but I'm not sure it's with regard to taking control of them after they die. As the monster, he would 'judge' them, now believe it wasn't a matter of being judged, rather to see if they are able to be 'claimed', if they are, as Mikhail once put, 'flawed' and not on the list/Jacob's list.

Yeah, my take is that when you're "infected" you're essentially becoming MIB's minion - not inhabited by him. He can only inhabit those who have died prior to coming to the island (Christian Shepherd, Yemi, Locke).

Also, Locke's body is still there, he wasn't reanimated like Sayid.

Yeah that's one thing I'm kinda stuck on too.

I had a thought that there are two bodies because he has actually maybe focused more of his power and ability to actually inhabit his, with the ability to not only be seen and heard but also have human traits such as physical strength etc. I always found it odd that, as Christian, when Locke asked him for help in the frozen donkey wheel chamber, Christian couldn't/wouldn't physically help him up. Yet when Charlie slapped Hurley at the mental hospital, he felt it.

I think Christian wouldnt have helped because locke had to do it on his own, and therefore be banished on his own.

No, he didn't refuse to help him push the wheel, he refused to help him up, as in come into physical contact with him period. Just rather curious about who he can take form of, and what limits those forms have.

I agree he wanted Locke to do it, as he told him the first time around HE had to, yet Ben ended up doing it, thus finding his loop hole.

Notice that MIB refuses to touch anybody, whereas Jacob touches everybody.

In the flashbacks where we see Jacob visiting the passengers at earlier points in their lives, he always touches them.

He punched and picked up Richard. But that might be because Richard is an Other.

I was mainly referring to his refusal to touch Locke, and Jacob's touching of everyone.

I never would have noticed that he deliberately touched everyone unless I had heard Damen Lindelof point it out.

There should be a Richard backstory episode pretty soon. It seems like next week the beach crew is going to meet up with the temple crew.

I'm glad. It feels like Sun and Lapidus have been standing on the beach forever.

I'm sure Lapidus sang Forever In Blue Jeans to keep everyone on the beach entertained

Yeah looking forward to that..

Every season we get the backstory of someone important who has been in it a while, yet we know nothing about.

Season 2 > Desmond
Season 3 > Ben
Season 5 > Jacob/MIB

Be good to see him arrive on The Black Rock in those chains.

Back stories are always exciting when they haven't been done.

I remember when I first watched the first season, after I caught on to the fact that each episode would give the backstory of a different character, it got really exciting to see who was next, and wonder when certain characters would get their episode

What if we seen MIB as evil.......and he in the ends turns out to be the one who is good

I thought that myself