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Frank Drebin 08-23-2015 11:33 PM

Have Sting go over Fandango at WM.

#1-norm-fan 08-23-2015 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4692018)
<font color=goldenrod>Of course, I'm struggling to think of a match he can be in at WM 32 where it actually makes any sense for him to win so it's probably moot.</font>

It would have to be a guy who doesn't have momentum to be ruined and could actually benefit from just being in the ring with Sting even in a losing effort.

Of course they can't just be a flat out jobber.

I don't know. If Stardust doesn't take steps up from where he is now, he might be a decent candidate. A loss to Sting and then a face turn where he's mentored by him could work.

Emperor Smeat 08-23-2015 11:34 PM

http://i.imgur.com/Ajpuq4R.png

Did Amell get that bruise from the match or prior. Only paid attention to it at the end of the match.

Frank Drebin 08-23-2015 11:34 PM

Maybe I need to sleep on it, but almost everything sucked. Someone tell Drebin it will all be ok.

Frank Drebin 08-23-2015 11:35 PM

I see a slight rope burn and a bunch of face paint from Stardust. Maybe a bruise on a his shoulder, but that could be paint too. Nice job tonight though.

Evil Vito 08-23-2015 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4692023)
It would have to be a guy who doesn't have momentum to be ruined and could actually benefit from just being in the ring with Sting even in a losing effort.

Of course they can't just be a flat out jobber.

I don't know. If Stardust doesn't take steps up from where he is now, he might be a decent candidate. A loss to Sting and then a face turn where he's mentored by him could work.

<font color=goldenrod>That...actually sounds super intriguing :y:

There was a rumor going around that they'd bring Sting in to do a Reigns, Ambrose, and Sting match vs. The Wyatts once Rowan is back. Stardust interaction seems way more interesting.</font>

#1-norm-fan 08-23-2015 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Drebin (Post 4692022)
Have Sting go over Fandango at WM.

I will kill you.

Frank Drebin 08-23-2015 11:43 PM

If you do, can you please go back in time and do it before I watched SummerSlam? I will die much happier.

#1-norm-fan 08-23-2015 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4692028)
<font color=goldenrod>That...actually sounds super intriguing :y:

There was a rumor going around that they'd bring Sting in to do a Reigns, Ambrose, and Sting match vs. The Wyatts once Rowan is back. Stardust interaction seems way more interesting.</font>

A tag match could also work. I don't think anyone's gonna be too upset if his "feel good WWE moment" comes in a tag match and it wouldn't hurt the guy(s) he beats too bad. But if they go singles, there's a very specific group of guys that would work. Could do wonders for Stardust in theory. Cody's brilliant and Sting beating him by a hair and then joining him in a "We all go a little crazy sometimes. Let me tell you about the time all my friends turned on me and thought I joined the NWO..." mentor situation would be cool.

Shadrick 08-23-2015 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadrick (Post 4691283)
Reigns turns tonight.

Dude I was so spot on :y:

Shadrick 08-23-2015 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4692030)
I will kill you.

I'll kill him first.

Damian Rey 08-23-2015 11:51 PM

What a blah show. Especially after what was an amazing NXT special that was far and away better than Summer Slam.

The main event was actually great, a lot better than anything I'd expected. Except for that shitty finish. Taker tapping out to lose would've been so much more interesting for his character at this point in his career and would've further cemented Brock as the fucking man.

Instead, we get this "controversial" bs finish by submission, even though I don't recall Brock submitting, and now they've wasted beating to streak to trade a win back to the Undertaker. Seems like a waste.

Who was it saying that Summer Slam wasn't going to be automatically lesser than NXT? Far and away it was the inferior show. What sayeth you now?

Frank Drebin 08-23-2015 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Rey (Post 4692039)
Who was it saying that Summer Slam wasn't going to be automatically lesser than NXT? Far and away it was the inferior show. What sayeth you now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 4691159)
For all their booking problems, the main shows rarely disappint for match quality and a 4 hour Summerslam will make sure to have quality matches on it. They can't overdo duff finishes on the 2nd biggest show of the year...

I like this Mulaco fella, but he was wrong.

#1-norm-fan 08-24-2015 12:08 AM

Didn't even read the results for what I missed in the first half until now. So Bray Wyatt got ass raped? Well that's cool. He'll just cut an ominous promo tomorrow night and we'll all pretend he's still a remote threat, right?

Corndad 08-24-2015 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el bobbo (Post 4692017)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When every Champ in the company is Heel, but they know they're more over than the Faces

<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SummerSlam?src=hash">#SummerSlam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash">#WWE</a> <a href="http://t.co/rjBnS91fVs">pic.twitter.com/rjBnS91fVs</a></p>&mdash; The New Age Insiders (@NewAgeInsiders) <a href="https://twitter.com/NewAgeInsiders/status/635650055031103488">August 24, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Everyone who won a title tonight (and Bayley at Takeover) were all wearing Gold and White. Or was it Blue and White.

Damian Rey 08-24-2015 12:09 AM

By a fucking mile. Summer Slam was the B show this weekend.

The divas match tonight was also a fucking joke. In no way was it any more identifiable than the other diva matches they've been putting on the past decade or so. So much for a revolution.

Corndad 08-24-2015 12:12 AM

Also Big E Dancing. For Days.

Damian Rey 08-24-2015 12:15 AM

I also wonder what the feeling is backstage right now. Only an idiot would willingly believe NXT didn't steal the weekend and essentially out sports entertain the big league club.

I'm curious if anyone, more importantly Vince, took notice that of two sold out shows this weekend, the one billed as the future was far better than the main show in a not very close race.

DAMN iNATOR 08-24-2015 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4692047)
Didn't even read the results for what I missed in the first half until now. So Bray Wyatt got ass raped? Well that's cool. He'll just cut an ominous promo tomorrow night and we'll all pretend he's still a remote threat, right?

Yup. And pretend we're all at a relaxing mellow concert during his entrance.

johnsmagic 08-24-2015 12:45 AM

whose next in line for a WWE world title shot now.. Cena will get his rematch and lose and then who ?

Mr. Nerfect 08-24-2015 01:21 AM

Jon Stewart turning heel is pretty cool on paper. Didn't see the show. I hope Rollins makes him the honorary US Champion or something. Bring back David Arquette for a US Title at Night of Champions.

No, I am not serious.

Mr. Nerfect 08-24-2015 01:23 AM

I'm curious to see what they do for Night of Champions, actually. My guess is that Brock is going to be pissed off, so he sits at home for a while.

Seth82 08-24-2015 01:29 AM

amazing

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No, i'm not your son. When I was 17 you told me that I'd never make it because I'm black <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GetOffMe?src=hash">#GetOffMe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SubtweetinAss?src=hash">#SubtweetinAss</a> <a href="https://t.co/2c9CFoO5uG">https://t.co/2c9CFoO5uG</a></p>&mdash; Xavier Woods (@XavierWoodsPhD) <a href="https://twitter.com/XavierWoodsPhD/status/635683149855498240">August 24, 2015</a></blockquote>
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GD 08-24-2015 01:36 AM

http://i.wwe9.com/f/reign/image/2015...tlehistory.jpg

The superstars section on WWE.com doesn't show Seth Rollins as the United States Champion. I do not think that the title was absorbed in to the WWE World Heavyweight title like when (then reigning World Heavyweight Champion) Triple H defeated (then Intercontinental Champion) Kane.

If they intend to continue with the championship, I sincerely hope that Rollins does not relinquish it so that a new champion can be crowned at "Night of Champions".

Emperor Smeat 08-24-2015 01:39 AM

According to people at the event, Undertaker started to collapse after his match against Lesnar. Was walking to the back, got woozy, and had to crawl a bit to reach the backstage curtain.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The story after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SummerSlam?src=hash">#SummerSlam</a> may be the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Undertaker?src=hash">#Undertaker</a>'s health. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Taker?src=hash">#Taker</a> collapsed after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Lesnar?src=hash">#Lesnar</a> match. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WWE?src=hash">#WWE</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Wrestling?src=hash">#Wrestling</a> <a href="http://t.co/7Sp6P1Swt3">pic.twitter.com/7Sp6P1Swt3</a></p>&mdash; The チャド (@ThaChadwick) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThaChadwick/status/635675013446635521">August 24, 2015</a></blockquote>
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#1-norm-fan 08-24-2015 01:43 AM

Cena-Stewart feud with Rollins playing the Miz "I don't belong here" role. After that... WWE calls it quits. They've run through everything already. WrestleMania is 4 hours of Fandango dancing. PPV buys are through the roof. All wrestling ceases to be and all that is left is Fandango. You understand? Fandango is all that is left.

Mr. Nerfect 08-24-2015 01:44 AM

Geez, it might be time to call it quits for Taker.

Mr. Nerfect 08-24-2015 01:46 AM

US Championship: Jon Stewart (c) vs. Stephen Amell

Mr. Nerfect 08-24-2015 01:51 AM

How does Heyman react to the screwy SummerSlam finish. With RAW being Vince McMahon's 70th birthday, it'd be a good opportunity to have Heyman confront Vince McMahon and talk about some changes that need to happen...

Mr. Nerfect 08-24-2015 01:52 AM

It'd be a good way to get the edge off The Authority storyline too. Heyman can hit up Vince for some control, or else he and Brock will walk. Vince gives him a 60-day trial as the WWE's General Manager.

el bobbo 08-24-2015 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4692082)
Cena-Stewart feud with Rollins playing the Miz "I don't belong here" role. After that... WWE calls it quits. They've run through everything already. WrestleMania is 4 hours of Fandango dancing. PPV buys are through the roof. All wrestling ceases to be and all that is left is Fandango. You understand? Fandango is all that is left.

I'm fine with this.

dronepool 08-24-2015 01:58 AM

http://i62.tinypic.com/i2ni9s.jpg

Dark One 08-24-2015 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadrick (Post 4691995)
X1?

That is correct, sir.

NormanSmiley 08-24-2015 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vito Cruz (Post 4691981)
<font color=goldenrod>Tune in to Raw to see this controversy resolved between two men who won't be on TV for several weeks after tomorrow night!</font>



Standing ovation for vito. And let's not forget to tune into the daily show to hear jon stewart tell you why he did what he did,oops we forgot he is retired with no platform to get more attention on our product.

Heyman 08-24-2015 02:32 AM

Heyman's thoughts about the Summerslam PPV (watching in the theater).
 
Heyman's thoughts about the Summerslam PPV (watching in the theater).

1) There was an amazingly hot Asian MILF sitting beside me and she brought her 3-4 year old son to watch. I literally wanted to eat her vagina while simultaneously stroking my cock. Almost went to the bathroom during the women's match to go jerk off and lick my own semen with her in mind.


2) People on here seem to be disappointed by the PPV as a whole, but the nearly sold out theater that I went to greatly enjoyed the event. Some gave it a standing ovation in the end.


3) Many people on here are disappointed by the Lesnar/Taker finish, but I think it was the perfect finish for a few reasons: A) You can't have 50 year old Taker going cleanly over Brock as it would ruin his credibility. B) On the flip side, the WWE needed to pay respect to Taker's legacy and Wrestling career and so Lesnar squashing Taker again wouldn't have been good for business. C) This non-conclusive match sets-up Lesnar/Taker at Mania in front of Taker's home crowd in what will likely be Taker's swan song (with Lesnar ending Taker's career, and making Taker go 22-2).


4) New Day is way the fuck over. I didn't realize how over they were since I barely watch wrestling these days, but these guys are great. The fans in attendance and in the theater really loved these guys as did I.


5) After watching Cesaro tonight, my opinion of him has changed. While I love Cesaro, I don't think he presently has that "it" factor needed to be THE guy. I am now in agreement with posters Noid and The CyNick on this.


6) The Wyatt's are still 'over', but the WWE needs to do something significant with Bray this year otherwise the WWE risks not capitalizing on his potential star power.


7) Sheamus, Titus O'Neil, and Dean Ambrose really impressed me tonight. Miz wasn't too bad either. Randy Orton looked disinterested in his match, while Big Show also looked like he was going through the motions.


8) I think Kevin Owens has an outside shot of being "the face" of the company if he leans out significantly.


9) Roman Reigns is unfairly getting crapped on by the fans. I think he's much better than people give credit.


10) Was very impressed with Rollins/Cena.

Shadrick 08-24-2015 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark One (Post 4692090)
That is correct, sir.

omgz letz playyyy

Droford 08-24-2015 03:17 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chilling in my Skybox making it rain. <a href="https://twitter.com/rainmaker_chaos">@rainmaker_chaos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SummerSlam?src=hash">#SummerSlam</a> <a href="http://t.co/Ocb8tuaowV">pic.twitter.com/Ocb8tuaowV</a></p>&mdash; Samoa Joe (@SamoaJoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/SamoaJoe/status/635629114171486208">August 24, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Sixx 08-24-2015 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dronepool (Post 4692089)

Taker starting to look like a crazy Rip Torn.

NormanSmiley 08-24-2015 03:42 AM

so basically heyman wants to stroke his dick around kids, we should watch his opinions of sports entertainment a little more closely....jesus christ dude. the fuck


and all your points about SS were shit

DAMN iNATOR 08-24-2015 03:48 AM

'Taker looks like he's on some roller coaster at like a Six Flags or some shit. Brock looks like he got stoned out of his mind backstage before the match.

Heyman 08-24-2015 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4692106)
so basically heyman wants to stroke his dick around kids, we should watch his opinions of sports entertainment a little more closely....jesus christ dude. the fuck


and all your points about SS were shit



No.


In the hypothetical scenario where I was able to lick the Asian MILF's vagina while jerking myself off, I would greatly prefer it if the kids left the theater as to not witness what was going on.


As far as Summerslam goes, which parts do you disagree with? You don't see the value of the Lesnar/Taker controversial finish? You disagree with my comments on Orton and Show being lackluster? You disagree with my assertion that New Day, Sheamus, Titus O'Neil, and Miz looked pretty good? You disagree with my thoughts on Reigns being underrated, and Ambrose being terrific?


Sounds to me like you're upset because I believe your nemesis, #1wwf-fan, is a much better poster than you are.

Shadrick 08-24-2015 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heyman (Post 4692110)
No.


In the hypothetical scenario where I was able to lick the Asian MILF's vagina while jerking myself off, I would greatly prefer it if the kids left the theater as to not witness what was going on.


As far as Summerslam goes, which parts do you disagree with? You don't see the value of the Lesnar/Taker controversial finish? You disagree with my comments on Orton and Show being lackluster? You disagree with my assertion that New Day, Sheamus, Titus O'Neil, and Miz looked pretty good? You disagree with my thoughts on Reigns being underrated, and Ambrose being terrific?


Sounds to me like you're upset because I believe your nemesis, #1wwf-fan, is a much better poster than you are.

http://cdn.niketalk.com/1/13/350x700...ladje4ch71.gif

Heyman 08-24-2015 04:24 AM

NormalSmiley "most likely" fantasizes about smelling Ryback's underwear directly after Ryback finishes wrestling matches, lollll.


(by the way, I have actual proof that this might be true).

owenbrown 08-24-2015 07:28 AM

https://www.facebook.com/WWEMEMES/ph...699961/?type=1

:lol:

road doggy dogg 08-24-2015 08:36 AM

So is it going to be revealed that like Sting was the mystery timekeeper that rang the bell early or something?

Blue Demon 08-24-2015 08:49 AM

Not a terrible show, but not great either. I found the screwy ending of Taker-Lesner took away from the match, but I get why they did it....I wish they could've found a better way to have done it (maybe kinda like Hogan-Andre?) I'd say this was a B to B+ inda show.

Heisenberg 08-24-2015 08:55 AM

New Day saved this PPV from totally tanking. What a waste of time

Big Vic 08-24-2015 09:01 AM

If they didn't want to have a finish to Taker/Lesnar why just not book the storyline? Why do they keep stalling on Lesnar? This guy breaks the streak and then destroys Cena decisively.... Why are they making these decisions?

I am also wondering what they are doing with Cesaro... Weren't they just building him up? The 50/50ness of midcard hell is terrible.

#BROKEN Hasney 08-24-2015 09:22 AM

That was the first main roster WWE I watched since the Raw after Mania. Couple of good matches but that in no way made me want to start watching again. Goddamn.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNJC9DAWgAAmXFE.png

road doggy dogg 08-24-2015 09:26 AM

too many brocks

too maaaaaaaaaaany brocks

Frank Drebin 08-24-2015 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heisenberg (Post 4692143)
New Day saved this PPV from totally tanking. What a waste of time

:y:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4692144)
If they didn't want to have a finish to Taker/Lesnar why just not book the storyline?

Per usual WWE is great on the build but can't deliver on the follow through. They wanted to book the match to get eyeballs on the show. That was their goal - as it should be - but they forgot that they have other shows to sell after this.

If you want to make money hand over fist, you have to get the attention of the casual fan. Unfortunately, they built the show to do that for this show only and nothing after as Hasney says:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney (Post 4692147)
That was the first main roster WWE I watched since the Raw after Mania. Couple of good matches but that in no way made me want to start watching again. Goddamn.

This is why the show was a total waste. Nothing was settled. Nothing was accomplished.

Mr. Nerfect 08-24-2015 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heyman (Post 4692093)
Heyman's thoughts about the Summerslam PPV (watching in the theater).

1) There was an amazingly hot Asian MILF sitting beside me and she brought her 3-4 year old son to watch. I literally wanted to eat her vagina while simultaneously stroking my cock. Almost went to the bathroom during the women's match to go jerk off and lick my own semen with her in mind.


2) People on here seem to be disappointed by the PPV as a whole, but the nearly sold out theater that I went to greatly enjoyed the event. Some gave it a standing ovation in the end.


3) Many people on here are disappointed by the Lesnar/Taker finish, but I think it was the perfect finish for a few reasons: A) You can't have 50 year old Taker going cleanly over Brock as it would ruin his credibility. B) On the flip side, the WWE needed to pay respect to Taker's legacy and Wrestling career and so Lesnar squashing Taker again wouldn't have been good for business. C) This non-conclusive match sets-up Lesnar/Taker at Mania in front of Taker's home crowd in what will likely be Taker's swan song (with Lesnar ending Taker's career, and making Taker go 22-2).


4) New Day is way the fuck over. I didn't realize how over they were since I barely watch wrestling these days, but these guys are great. The fans in attendance and in the theater really loved these guys as did I.


5) After watching Cesaro tonight, my opinion of him has changed. While I love Cesaro, I don't think he presently has that "it" factor needed to be THE guy. I am now in agreement with posters Noid and The CyNick on this.


6) The Wyatt's are still 'over', but the WWE needs to do something significant with Bray this year otherwise the WWE risks not capitalizing on his potential star power.


7) Sheamus, Titus O'Neil, and Dean Ambrose really impressed me tonight. Miz wasn't too bad either. Randy Orton looked disinterested in his match, while Big Show also looked like he was going through the motions.


8) I think Kevin Owens has an outside shot of being "the face" of the company if he leans out significantly.


9) Roman Reigns is unfairly getting crapped on by the fans. I think he's much better than people give credit.


10) Was very impressed with Rollins/Cena.

Was going to reply to this anyway, but then saw I got a mention. Yaaaaay.

1) Sweet. Go for it, man.

2) Haven't actually watched, but I guess a larger audience could make a car crash seem like a good show.

3) I agree with those asking "Why even book Lesnar/Taker in the first place?". There's a whole of "where now?" going on in WWE at the moment. Two part-timers that aren't even going to be on RAW in a few weeks continuing personal issues? No thanks. And I have no interest in another Brock vs. Taker match. They're using the match to set up another match? Why?

4) The New Day are great. Best decision to have them win back the Tag Titles. They remind me of Edge & Christian. Cocky heels that win when it comes down to the wire. If they kept losing, they'd be over, but you'd be running them dry. I'm not sold on the Prime Time Players yet, but the story structure here is good.

5) Cesaro should have won the match. If for no other reason that Kevin Owens was in a fucking Ladder Match the night before. But Cesaro was the face. I get that people think the heel should win the first match in a series, but I feel that the face needs to get you to believe in them. Owens could attack Cena on RAW and get his heat back. Cesaro is now ranked steadily below a whole bunch of guys. They're putting a cap on him.

6) Agreed. If I were Seth Rollins, I'd be shitting myself about both Brock Lesnar and John Cena. Best solution? Make an offering of the US Title to Bray Wyatt and Luke Harper. You're buying two tough heels to watch your back. And The Wyatts need to bounce back, surely even in Bray's mind. It'd be a mutually beneficial relationship. And given his issues with Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose, and the next PPV being a title-oriented one, having some gold gives him a reason for being on the show; but he can also use the title to cause friction between Reigns and Ambrose.

Eg. "Sure, I'll defend the US Title against one of you homeboys...but you need to sort out who it will be by fighting each other first, and I know both your egos are too big to lie down. Muwahahahaha."

7) Not really much to say on this. Sheamus shouldn't talk so much. Randy Orton is a great babyface, but they never really know what to do with him. Big Show is a bit directionless. Titus O'Neil is missing something, but has something. I dunno, don't really feel like he's "wrestlery" enough. Kind of a PR gimmick. I want to see Dean Ambrose and Roman Reigns properly feud.

8) Kevin Owens has an aura. Just don't say what you said about him, or people will call you Jim Cornette and attribute you to hating the guy. He's got a bad-ass vibe and has an accessibility that few guys have. I'd like to see him clash with some heels and see if people buy him as a face.

9) Agreed. Reigns is getting good at piecing together his matches. I think smart business would be to turn him heel, but I see Ambrose turning on him first, even though people will still probably cheer insane heel Ambrose more than white-meat babyface Reigns.

10) Rollins and Cena are both fantastic. No clue where they go now, and not in a good way, but I imagine their rivalry continues.

loopydate 08-24-2015 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4692144)
If they didn't want to have a finish to Taker/Lesnar why just not book the storyline?

This is exactly the point WWE has missed for years. If you don't have a satisfying way out of a story, don't start writing it! There is a whole roster full of guys who Taker could have beat last night, and a roster full of guys who will be around a lot longer than Taker who could have benefited huge from beating Brock.

But they had to go with the "spectacle" match without having a way to have it benefit anybody or mean anything.

Lock Jaw 08-24-2015 12:11 PM

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Cole: "There's nothing Cena could do but watch!"

Me: "He can stop holding himself up...."

Lock Jaw 08-24-2015 12:14 PM

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Nothing at all

loopydate 08-24-2015 12:36 PM

I like Mrs. Rhodes' "I ain't mad at it" face in the background

GD 08-24-2015 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4692082)
Cena-Stewart feud with Rollins playing the Miz "I don't belong here" role. After that... WWE calls it quits. They've run through everything already. WrestleMania is 4 hours of Fandango dancing. PPV buys are through the roof. All wrestling ceases to be and all that is left is Fandango. You understand? Fandango is all that is left.

You have clearly never seen the never ending season of NXT feat. Fandango and Ethan Carter III.

Droford 08-24-2015 02:56 PM

EC3 IS all kinds of awesome on TNA. Basically one of the few reasons I keep watching.

Big Vic 08-24-2015 02:58 PM

Don't like how TNA treats finishers like regular moves in big matches.

Big Vic 08-24-2015 02:59 PM

Also hate how ROH overbooks big matches sometimes.

Big Vic 08-24-2015 03:00 PM

Not saying WWE does things right, basically all their midcard matches are pointless.

Simple Fan 08-24-2015 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4692287)
Don't like how TNA treats finishers like regular moves in big matches.

And WWE doesn't. Is the AA even a finisher any more?

Droford 08-24-2015 03:19 PM

Call it finisher tolerance

If you hit a wrestler with a finisher the first time it murders them, but by the time they've been hit with it 100000 times they build up some immunity to it

Only logical explanation

Sepholio 08-24-2015 03:32 PM

I like Drofords explanation.

Big Vic 08-24-2015 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simple Fan (Post 4692300)
And WWE doesn't. Is the AA even a finisher any more?

Correct WWE does the same for some finishers.

Big Vic 08-24-2015 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 4692302)
Call it finisher tolerance

If you hit a wrestler with a finisher the first time it murders them, but by the time they've been hit with it 100000 times they build up some immunity to it

Only logical explanation

How do you explain the RKO? The mostly deadly finisher there is.

drave 08-24-2015 03:41 PM

The Venom from The Viper cancels out any tolerance.

Sepholio 08-24-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4692308)
How do you explain the RKO? The mostly deadly finisher there is.

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Originally Posted by drave (Post 4692309)
The Venom from The Viper cancels out any tolerance.

It's funny because I repped him for that post and hit him with an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE and called into question his finisher tolerance.

drave 08-24-2015 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Seph (Post 4692315)
It's funny because I repped him for that post and hit him with an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE and called into question his finisher tolerance.

No reply = low/no tolerance :y:

Droford 08-24-2015 04:00 PM

Sheamus' pasty white skin must be an antidote

Big Vic 08-24-2015 04:20 PM

Ugh did Sheamus kick out of an RKO last night? ...Dunno what to believe in now.

Lock Jaw 08-24-2015 04:25 PM

Did he really? I missed that match...

Has anyone ever kicked out of an RKO? Probably John Cena...

Droford 08-24-2015 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Vic (Post 4692333)
Ugh did Sheamus kick out of an RKO last night? ...Dunno what to believe in now.

He went for a shoulder block of the top rope and Orton hit the rko but Sheamus rolled out of the ring.

Lock Jaw 08-24-2015 04:30 PM

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Lock Jaw 08-24-2015 04:33 PM

I imagine Undertaker probably kicked out of it in their WM match... can't remember.... but that was before it gained Viper Powers anyways....

Tom Guycott 08-24-2015 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood Hasney (Post 4692147)
That was the first main roster WWE I watched since the Raw after Mania. Couple of good matches but that in no way made me want to start watching again. Goddamn.

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I think it would be fucking awesome if someone came out to a theme composed by Mike Post. I mean a totally custom song, not, say Hill Street Blues (altough that would STILL rule).

Heyman 08-24-2015 05:16 PM

Why the Lesnar/Taker finish was ideal:
 
Why the Lesnar/Taker finish was ideal:

Like I said - you can't have Lesnar squash Taker again due to Taker's legacy in the WWE. Taker would have looked like a bitch had Lesnar completely dominated again. To show respect to Taker, the WWE absolutely did the right thing in having Taker come back to stand up to Lesnar.


On the flip side - it would have been inappropriate for a 50 year old Taker to go over cleanly over Lesnar. Hence - Lesnar still got the better of Taker at Summerslam, even though Taker got in his offense as well. Even though Taker was shown to tap out, Taker was made to look strong enough to compete with Lesnar and choke him out with Hell's gate.


Wrestlemania will be in Taker's home state this year and will likely be Taker's last match. Taker will job once again to Brock at Wrestlemania, as it will be best for business.


By having Brock pre-occupied with Taker, it allows Roman Reigns to face either Seth Rollins or John Cena for the title......while giving Reigns the win.


At the Wrestlemania after this one (2017), you can have Reigns go up against Lesnar again for the WWE/World title. Hopefully by this time, Reigns will be a little more mature in terms of his wrestling ability and charisma.

Savio 08-24-2015 05:58 PM

Or you could just not book the match.

NormanSmiley 08-24-2015 06:27 PM

Nobody has any interest in another taker match.the guy has had an amazing career but the mystique of lesnar taker was foiled when taker already has wrestled at mania since the streak got busted. A wrestlemania win over taker does nothing for lesnar.


And once again wwe shit on their own product not putting the wwe title in the main event.

And I think you are still high off the asian milf pussy scents or the no tears shampoo of her child because reigns is getting booed into oblivion and still cant win over a crowd

Heyman 08-24-2015 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Savio (Post 4692416)
Or you could just not book the match.



You guys weren't entertained by Taker/Lesnar last night? I certainly was, and the theater I went to was greatly entertained as well.


Wrestlemania will be in Undertaker's home state of Texas. It will likely be Taker's last match, and Taker will likely lose to Brock a la Flair/HBK a la HBK/Taker. It will be a true Wrestlemania moment.


After all that Undertaker has done of this business and the WWE, he deserves a final farewell in his home state, along with a proper Ric Flair-like send-off.


Sorry, but I completely disagree with you here.

What Would Kevin Do? 08-24-2015 06:46 PM

There really doesn't need to be a third Undertake vs. Lesnar.

Taker "won", but Brock got the "moral victory." It would be more interesting if Undertaker gloated about his victory, only for Brock to be like "whatever, you know I won, I'm done with you."

Taker could get angry that no one gives him credit for beating the beast, which could lead to a bitter, biker-esque Taker run. It could work.

Heyman 08-24-2015 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4692426)
Nobody has any interest in another taker match.the guy has had an amazing career but the mystique of lesnar taker was foiled when taker already has wrestled at mania since the streak got busted. A wrestlemania win over taker does nothing for lesnar.


It's not about Lesnar. It's about giving Taker a WM match in his home state of Texas. After what Taker has done for this business, he fully deserves it. Lesnar beating the streak is one thing, but Lesnar retiring the Undertaker is another. It will be a huge Wrestlemania moment, like HBK/Flair or Taker/HBK.


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And once again wwe shit on their own product not putting the wwe title in the main event.

No, they did not. The fans in both the arena and in my theater were greatly entertained.

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And I think you are still high off the asian milf pussy scents or the no tears shampoo of her child because reigns is getting booed into oblivion and still cant win over a crowd

LOL. True (about Reigns), but the child demographic can easily be influenced. Cena gets booed royally by everyone, but kids love the guy. Why can't kids grow to love Reigns one day? (Or have the WWE cater/tailor Roman Reigns towards kids as they did with Cena back in 2005).

Heyman 08-24-2015 06:52 PM

I don't think you guys really comprehend the Wrestling business if you don't see value in Undertaker


1) Wrestling one final match in his home state of Texas
2) Lesnar retiring the Undertaker
3) Another Flair/HBK / HBK/Taker moment being created
4) A potential Ric Flair-like send off for Undertaker the next night on RAW.


Another added benefit in not having Lesnar in the main-event, is that it gives both Reigns and Rollins another year to really develop their characters and mature as wrestlers.........so that in 2017 when one of these guys DOES face Lesnar in the main-event of Wrestlemania (and goes over clean), they will truly be ready to be the new face of the WWE.

Savio 08-24-2015 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Heyman (Post 4692430)
You guys weren't entertained by Taker/Lesnar last night? I certainly was, and the theater I went to was greatly entertained as well.


Wrestlemania will be in Undertaker's home state of Texas. It will likely be Taker's last match, and Taker will likely lose to Brock a la Flair/HBK a la HBK/Taker. It will be a true Wrestlemania moment.


After all that Undertaker has done of this business and the WWE, he deserves a final farewell in his home state, along with a proper Ric Flair-like send-off.


Sorry, but I completely disagree with you here.

I thought the fight at the end of Rush Hour 3 was entertaining, doesn't mean they should have made Rush Hour 3 though.

loopydate 08-24-2015 07:35 PM

Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.

Savio 08-24-2015 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate (Post 4692472)
Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.

This is why:
"Guys how can we let Rollins keep the belt after his match with Brock tomorrow?"

"ummmm uhhh- MakeTakerInterfere!"

Heyman 08-24-2015 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate (Post 4692472)
Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.



1) I agree about Cena/Taker, but I think there's something to be said about Taker having his final match ever in front of his home state of Texas.


2) Lesnar - Lesnar will ultimately be used to put someone over at Mania, but the timing and opponent has to be right. Outside of Cena, Reigns is really only that guy in my opinion. I would rather see Reigns go over Cena or Rollins for the title at this Wrestlemania 2016, and then have Reigns look extremely dominant between Wrestlemania 2016-2017. This will also give Reigns some more time to develop as a wrestler and performer. In the mean-time, you can have Lesnar "end" Undertaker at Wrestlemania 2016, and then have him destroy other guys during 2016 (i.e. Cena again, and perhaps Reigns' good buddy Dean Ambrose).


THEN - you can have Reigns go over Lesnar cleanly at Wrestlemania 2017.

NormanSmiley 08-24-2015 08:38 PM

Dude you are so hung up on rollins v reigns as your 3w main event that you are blindly booking out of your ass.


Why sacrifice lesnar When taker could wrestle the fucking barbarian or warlord at mania and get his send off. The opponent matters not. And the least he could do is lose the beer gut

And you are thinking of having reigns go over lesnar clean at 33 in lesnars hometown and you think THAT is gonna go over well?

Heyman 08-24-2015 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4692663)
Dude you are so hung up on rollins v reigns as your 3w main event that you are blindly booking out of your ass.


Because, outside of Cena, Reigns, and Rollins, there really isn't anyone else that is worthy of main-eventing Mania right now. Lesnar will be pre-occupied with Taker, while guys like Rusev, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro, etc., won't realistically be built up enough between now and Mania' to be worthy of such a spot. Nor will Kevin Owens, and I doubt that the WWE will re-push Sheamus or Orton to that level.


So - you either go with Reigns-Rollins, or Reigns-Cena. I personally think they'll do Reigns-Rollins at Mania.


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Why sacrifice lesnar When taker could wrestle the fucking barbarian or warlord at mania and get his send off. The opponent matters not. And the least he could do is lose the beer gut.

Because, Taker and Lesnar are already in a heated rivalry. Either one of Lesnar or Taker going cleanly over the other guy at Summerslam would have been a bad decision. Lesnar going over Taker would have been bad since it would've continued to make Taker look weak, while giving him limited momentum heading into Mania' in his home state (to which, he'd either go over some random mid-carder in a lackluster match - his final match - OR, go up against John Cena......and hence - sort of ending his career on a sour note due to consecutive losses to different wrestlers).


On the flip side - Lesnar losing cleanly would have been a horrible booking decision since you need to keep Lesnar strong once he inevitably does a job to either Reigns or Rollins at Wrestlemania 2017.


Taker-Lesnar at Wrestlemania 2016 is perfect, because there's emotion behind Taker's last match in his home state, while it also further adds to Lesnar's legacy because he was the guy to end Taker's streak AND his career.

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And you are thinking of having reigns go over lesnar clean at 33 in lesnars hometown and you think THAT is gonna go over well?

I didn't realize Wrestlemania 2017 was going to be in Lesnar's hometown. Regardless - I'd still have Reigns go over. Cena's been in environments just as hostile at Reigns would be in this scenario, and the 'kid' demographic still loved Cena.

NormanSmiley 08-25-2015 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Heyman (Post 4692956)













I didn't realize.


no shit Heyman

Damian Rey 08-25-2015 01:44 PM

Would've felt better about Taker/Lesnar at Mania 32had Taker lost a close match last night. Could use the "I have to know" gimmick, drawing out Lesnar one more time only to lose for the final time.

Or have him lose last night, allow Brock to moveon, and have Taker answer a Cena challenge at Mania to give it one more go at taking out a top guy.

NormanSmiley 08-25-2015 01:46 PM

would have felt ok with taker/lesnar at 32 if.... taker hadn't fought wyatt at mania 31

Mr. Nerfect 08-25-2015 07:30 PM

Yeah, sorry Heyman; but I'm not on board with Taker vs. Lesnar VIII or whatever it is now. I'm just not wrapped up in that story. Taker is almost certainly going to wrestle at Mania, but I'm not sure who they put him against. The best suggestion I've seen is actually Shawn Michaels. Fuck it, I'd take Luke Harper before Brock Lesnar at this point.

The money match for Lesnar is against Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Heyman 08-26-2015 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4693833)
Yeah, sorry Heyman; but I'm not on board with Taker vs. Lesnar VIII or whatever it is now. I'm just not wrapped up in that story. Taker is almost certainly going to wrestle at Mania, but I'm not sure who they put him against. The best suggestion I've seen is actually Shawn Michaels. Fuck it, I'd take Luke Harper before Brock Lesnar at this point.

The money match for Lesnar is against Stone Cold Steve Austin.



Few things:


1) HBK said that he will never wrestle again


2) Austin will never wrestle again as he is too physically crippled (although I have heard contrasting reports that state that Austin *would* come back for one last match if the storyline was right?).


3) The problem with most people not wanting Taker/Lesnar at Mania', is that they think that Taker can simply job like a bitch to Brock (again), and then expect the fans to be excited at the idea of Taker fighting someone at Wrestlemania. Unfortunately, that's not how things work......which leads me to #4.


4) On the other side of the spectrum, you can't have Lesnar job to 50 year old Taker because this makes Brock look really bad.....and now all that time you spent re-building the credibility of Brock over the past two years, takes a major hit.


The WWE's biggest goal should be to make both Undertaker and Lesnar look very strong for a few reasons:


A) By having Lesnar look strong, and having him be the guy that ends BOTH the streak and career of Taker, it further adds to Brock's legacy, while also making the guy that eventually does go over Brock, look even MORE credibile.


B) By having Taker look strong, and not looking like a complete bitch by not getting revenge on Brock, it pays respects to Undertaker's career and legacy. A guy that his given his life to the WWE, should not be made to look like a bitch. Hence - I'm glad that Taker was made to look like he pushed Lesnar at Summerslam. A 3rd match adds to the Taker/Lesnar rivalry, and Taker will also get his wish of "giving back to the business" when he does his final JOB to Brock in front of his hometown fans.


The WWE Universe then gets treated to another Ric Flair-esque retirement the next night on RAW.


For all these reasons, I think Taker/Brock III (IV if you count 2003) is by far the best way to go.

DAMN iNATOR 08-26-2015 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Heyman (Post 4692956)
Because, outside of Cena, Reigns, and Rollins, there really isn't anyone else that is worthy of main-eventing Mania right now. Lesnar will be pre-occupied with Taker, while guys like Rusev, Bray Wyatt, Cesaro, etc., won't realistically be built up enough between now and Mania' to be worthy of such a spot. Nor will Kevin Owens, and I doubt that the WWE will re-push Sheamus or Orton to that level.

Well, I mean after his recent semi-burial it'd take some work but there's still ample time to build DEAN. FUCKING. AMBROSE. into a credible guy who crowds would back as champ. And as loathe as I am to suggest him, we don't yet know, I don't think anyway, if Bryan might return. If he did and they were super-duper desparate they could give him a Rumble win to "make up" for last year. Also, IMO they could bring back Kane in his original outfit and mask, to his 1st theme and entrance vid, and have him just start demolishing main eventers and getting a dominant win in the 2016 Rumble where he reclaims his record for eliminations.

I'm not saying any of those guys are likely to be options looked at by Vince and/or Triple H, but I wanted to at least try and think outside the box of guys you listed. And, yeah, Cena? As world champ? AGAIN?! No disrespect, Heyman, but, yeah...nobody wants to see that again. NOBODY.

CSL 08-26-2015 06:32 PM

Heyman is making the most sense in here

CSL 08-26-2015 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate (Post 4692472)
Couldn't you get the same (or bigger) Mania moment at Cowboy Stadium against Cena? That would at least be a Mania match we've never seen before. Why sacrifice Lesnar to a guy who only likely has one match left when you could have given the rub of beating him to almost literally anyone else? I get why they went with the finish they went with. I don't get why they went with the match in the first place.

there is no "sacrificing", Brock is granite, especially in that situation

Heyman 08-26-2015 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DAMN iNATOR (Post 4694149)
Well, I mean after his recent semi-burial it'd take some work but there's still ample time to build DEAN. FUCKING. AMBROSE. into a credible guy who crowds would back as champ. And as loathe as I am to suggest him, we don't yet know, I don't think anyway, if Bryan might return. If he did and they were super-duper desparate they could give him a Rumble win to "make up" for last year. Also, IMO they could bring back Kane in his original outfit and mask, to his 1st theme and entrance vid, and have him just start demolishing main eventers and getting a dominant win in the 2016 Rumble where he reclaims his record for eliminations.

I'm not saying any of those guys are likely to be options looked at by Vince and/or Triple H, but I wanted to at least try and think outside the box of guys you listed. And, yeah, Cena? As world champ? AGAIN?! No disrespect, Heyman, but, yeah...nobody wants to see that again. NOBODY.


Bro - I would LOVE it if the WWE pushed Ambrose a la Daniel Bryan style. I just don't see it happening right now unfortunately.


And no - I *don't* want to see Cena become champ again (maybe 1-2 extremely brief runs so that he ties/breaks Flair's record), but other than that, I want one of Reigns/Rollins to be the next guy.

NormanSmiley 08-26-2015 06:59 PM

I think your 73 recycled posts about it lets us all know that you want reigns. The masses don't. Not now.

Heyman 08-26-2015 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NormanSmiley (Post 4694518)
I think your 73 recycled posts about it lets us all know that you want reigns. The masses don't. Not now.



It's not about what I want you little fuck boy.


It's about what the WWE will most likely do. Reigns will either go over Rollins or Cena at Mania this year, while Lesnar will retire Taker. In 2017, Reigns will make Brock Lesnar suck his dick in front of Lesnar's hometown fans. Hence - making Reigns the new Cena, while making Lesnar HIV positive.


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