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But the thing is, if you sign say Edgerin James with a huge signing bonus and a big contract, he turns out to be a bust and you eventually cut him, it doesn't really hurt the team because the signing bonus doesn't go against the salary cap. You look at the Knicks, they have too many overpriced players and there is nothing they can do about it. Allan Houston is the second highest player in the league right now and he isn't even playing! That's why the NBA is a fucked up league.
Like has been stated by both of us, football just has the strongest control over its players. I don't know though, we are now just going in circles, I'm going back to the baseball forum :rant: |
You cut a 20 million dollar player, who are you gonna get to replace him? You can't. The talent isn't that deep in basketball yet. All the veterans are either signed, or not good enough to sign. That's why people will put in calls trying to get someone like Jordan to unretire. Plus, every team in the NBA is balls deep in the salary cap. Those that aren't.... aren't because they will trade picks and young talent for a huge contract to a team willing to take on a big contract. Like the Timberwolves, who will never get better.
But in the NFL, you cut someone, that's fine. You'll take a cap hit, sure, and that cripples teams all the time, like the Titans, Packers, 49ers, etc... Thing is, there are only 5-10 players you're paying top-end money in the NBA. So one player will make a huge difference. But in the NFL, you will give 5 mil to maybe 20 players. Not exactly that much, but you get the idea. There's a lot more money being spent in the NFL more widely throughout the team. So you can cut a player no problem, and replace him just fine as well. There's always a player sitting at home, or a team looking to unload someone for a low pick. But if you run out of cap room (and the NFL has no luxury tax), then you need to start unloading lots of players. So we have Allan Houston making 20 mil, and we have two years ago the Tennessee Titans were what, 50 mil over the cap? It was absurd. They were cutting draft picks, team captains, superstars, pro bowlers... EVERYONE. Yet they kept McNair. 20 million a year McNair, who is usually injured anyway. The two leagues have shades of each other, definitely. But their differences are there because they have to be. You have 5 positions in the NBA. Most players can play at least two positions. So there are not exactly "pay scales," like the difference between QB and FB. Along with what I already said about the roster size... and the luxury tax... it's impossible to make them the same, but they are as much alike as they can be. |
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By TERESA M. WALKER, AP Sports Writer NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Steve McNair finally split with Tennessee Titans and is heading for Baltimore. McNair, who led the Titans to the 2000 Super Bowl, was finally dealt Wednesday to a team that has been seeking a prime quarterback throughout its 10-year existence. He still had to pass a physical in Baltimore to finalize the deal, but the Ravens planned to introduce the man who shared the NFL's MVP award in 2003 as their new quarterback at a news conference Thursday afternoon. ADVERTISEMENT The Titans swapped the face of their franchise and a fan favorite for what is believed to be a fourth-round pick in next spring's draft. They had been trying to renegotiate McNair's salary from his scheduled $9 million to reduce a $23.46 million salary cap hit. "Obviously, the best situation would've been somehow to have been able to pay him what his market value was and keep him," said Bus Cook, McNair's agent. "Without that, it's best for everybody that Steve moves on." McNair, who turned 33 in February, was the winningest quarterback in franchise history. In 11 seasons, he went 81-59 and shared the MVP award with Peyton Manning three years ago. The quarterback won a grievance last week that allowed him to return to the team's headquarters and work out after being told he couldn't on April 3. But the Titans had given McNair's agent permission to talk with Baltimore on April 30 about a contract, and Cook worked out a five-year deal with an $11 million signing bonus and $1 million salary for 2006. That was much more than McNair could get from the Titans, who had drafted quarterback Vince Young of Texas with the third overall pick in April. The Titans declined to comment after issuing a brief statement announcing the trade. "Upon passing a physical, final trade terms will be agreed upon," the statement said. McNair is expected to be the starting quarterback for the team that ended the Titans' bid for a second straight Super Bowl appearance in 2001. That loss is merely one piece of the former AFC Central rivalry featuring physical games and trash-talking between the coaches. Kyle Boller, the Ravens' incumbent QB, conceded on Tuesday that McNair would likely be the starter. "If Steve gets here, or when he gets here, we'll handle it then. But as far as now, I'm just out here competing and trying to get this offense where it needs to be," Boller said. "I'm going about my business right now like I'm the starter. That's the only way I can think of it." Ravens coach Brian Billick said Wednesday players know change can happen at any position. He also wasn't worried about McNair's physical, even though the Titans had asked for a new physical, saying McNair failed his exit physical after missing the regular season finale with a strained pectoral muscle. "As I understand it, he was cleared to play in the Pro Bowl. That one I'll leave it to a higher pay grade than me to figure out how someone can fail an exit physical but be cleared to play in the Pro Bowl. I'm a little confused about that myself," Billick said. The trade gives the Ravens the first star quarterback they have ever had. "You can tell that from his mannerisms on the field and how he portrays and handles himself. He definitely brings some stability to the quarterback position," said tight end Todd Heap, who played with McNair in the Pro Bowl. The trade also will reunite McNair with his favorite receiver. Derrick Mason signed with Baltimore last year after being among several starters released in a salary cap purge. He watched McNair a couple times last season and said the quarterback did a great job. "I figure he's still got two, three four years left in him if he doesn't take the shots that he did in previous years," Mason said. McNair is one of only four players in NFL history with 150 touchdowns passing and 35 rushing, trailing only Steve Young, Randall Cunningham and Steve Grogan. He is one of five with 25,000 yards passing and 3,000 yards rushing, a group that includes John Elway, Fran Tarkenton, Young and Randall Cunningham. During his MVP season, McNair had a 100.4 passer rating and led the Titans to a wild-card playoff victory over the Ravens in Baltimore and came up short on a late drive in a divisional loss at New England. McNair played in 14 games in 2005 and threw for 3,161 yards and 16 touchdowns with 11 interceptions. He missed the regular season finale because of a strained pectoral muscle, but recovered to play in the Pro Bowl in February. "The bottom line is it's in everybody's best interest to look to the future and not to the past," Cook said. |
Air McNair is washed up anyways.
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Just read the rest of this page now, it wasn't showing up earlier when i was on for whatever reason. AlphaBean's was the last post to show. My bad :o
He's passed his physical now BTW, he's officially a Raven. Titan's may look to bring in Kerry Collins as a replacement for this season so Vince Young isn't rushed into it too quickly. |
You think McNair the PRO BOWLER is washed up, yet they're gonna bring in Collins?
Doubt it. Give Volek a year. Let him show his stuff so he can get a fat contract somewhere. Hell, if they have time... trade him, even. :cool: |
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So Bean, I read there were up to 100 coaches and players there today, meet anybody cool?
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:lol: BACKUP QBs 4 LIFE. I was in line for lunch with Rob Berzinski, Mewelde Moore stopped and gushed over my niece and I said "Amanda, meet our starting RB!" and he laughed. I just kinda hung out, I didn't do too much "introducing" because I think those guys are embarrassing. I yelled at Birk to take it easy because he was lifting something too heavy and he might get hurt. Some rookie was filling a tarp with mulch for me and another dude, and Lewienski was like, "dude, take it easy... they're not football players" :cool: On the way to dump it off, Sid Hartman was standing there so I told him to help me. He just smirked. Smuggest asshole of all time. At the end of the day, though, I won a weed whacker as a door prize. A Vikings cheerleader gave it to me. :cool: http://www.alphabean.net/vikesday/43.jpg Hot shit. Mayor RT Rybak stood next to me while the kids sang "take me out to the ballgame" and Sid was on my other side. I was like "wtf what a place to stand." http://www.alphabean.net/vikesday/index.html I didn't get too many pics, but there was one dude there... Sean Bubin... big silly lookin' white dude with long hair, looked like a monster. 6'5" 300 pounds, and it was all muscle. :love: It was overload for me. I'm all sunburned now and sore and tired because I worked the night before and didn't get to sleep until 2 before getting up at 7... but man... awesomeness. LOL of course I wasn't on the news... they got lots of video of me working, but nobody wants to see AlphaBean working, they want to see Fred Smoot hanging a sign. |
I've always been a fan of Charlie Batch, and always wanted him to get a shot, but man not this way.
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Steelers maybe, but how exactly are the Pats and Colts crumbling? I'll go ahead and call it. Pats Colts AFC title game. |
Edgerrin James, though I gotta admit... if anyone can survive losing half their team, it's the Pats.
But whether they're "fucked," or not, they're still not as good as they were last year. The Steelers lost the heart and soul of their team, and the "closer" in their games in Bettis, they lost their leading passer in the Superbowl to the Redskins... now they almost lost Roethlisberger. Shame he's gonna come back from this. :( Also, sup with Brackett? |
Nothing that i know of. You mean Cato June?
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You probably wont cause i predicted Cheifs vs Carolina Superbowl last year in the NFL thread. Colts lost a few people, but consider this. Polian is probably the best player personel person in the league and the players the Colts have drafted in the past that you dont know about will step in. Maybe not be better then Thorton, Triplett ( Overated ) or Edge ( Addai eventually will ), but they will get the job done. Remember Cato June last year? Remember Gary Brackett? There's a 6 year history of this. Its not the first time they lost players. And despite there losses in personel, they still have probably the best team in the league on paper( which is easy to say ). I havent given up hope, but i think its coming. By it i mean the Superbowl. |
Robert Mathis is playing fulltime defensive end this season. Colts defense will be sick. I could easily see 4 pro bowlers and 3 all pro's. Marlin Jackson will probably eventually move to saftey. I think Jason David is the guy to look out for.
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Robert Mathis weighs all of 240 pounds, so he's going to get destroyed on between the tackle runs, which means that what beat the Colts in the past will beat the Colts again.
Also, they will be running less without Edge... so Manning will have more pressure on him, so he will probably A) have more stats than last year, and B) won't be as successful, because you can't succeed without a running game. |
Just about every premiere pass rusher in the league gets nothing done when they run inbetween the tackles. Thats why you pay guys like Corey Simon to come in. Thats why you have pro bowl players like Cato June and Bob Sanders to come in and try to make a play. Gary Brackett is a great run stopping linebacker.
I'm not sure if you watched any Colts games last year. Teams where creating new formations just to double and triple team Dwight Freeney. Mathis went out there half the time Freeney did and he recorded 21 sacks in the last two seasons. What will teams do when he's in there full time? |
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Freeney's biggest weakness is having a play run right at him, so if they did that then Mathis could be eliminated from the run plays as well due to his size (but majority of the time weak side DEs have no effect on run plays to the otherside so I really don't know how big of an effect it would have) I think the Colts D will be good though, June really stepped up last season and I expect him to have another solid season.
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I may be wrong on this. But i'm pretty sure i'm not...
Out of 22 starting positions, 11 on each side of the ball, the Colts have all but 1 player who wasnt drafted by the Colts. Which is Corey Simon. Again i havent looked anything up, but i'm pretty sure everyone else was drafted by the organization. I could be wrong though. None the less majority of the players were drafted and the best players where key decision type picks. No one had Freeney in the top 20 picks. I think he was a late 1st rounder. Bob Sanders was a 1st rounder. Reggie Wayne was picked when everyone thought for sure they had to go defense. Now he's a future probowler. Everyone know about Manning over Leaf, Edge over Sticky Ricky. Cato June was a 5th round pick i think. Basically what i'm trying to say is.. Polian is real good. We havent even talked about Buffalo days. |
To be fair, the entire offense has Manning so it's at least +5 overall on the Madden scale.
Like you said, Freeney has triple-teams against him in a Tampa-2 defense, which is not very complex, but when you have possibly 7 men sitting back in zones, and Freeney and Mathis getting a bajillion sacks per season, they defense is bound to chuck it up every now and then -- especially considering the fact that Manning has given the Colts a 1-2TD lead at this point, forcing the opposition to throw. So you put Manning under center, and perennial top-3 WR Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne becomes Peerless Price. When Marcus Pollard, Dallas Clark, and Brandon Stokley all have pro bowl seasons just being on the same team, that says a lot. Like Randy Moss drawing both safeties deep making Michael Bennett look like a pro bowler, or Adewale Ogunleye getting like 18 sacks opposite from Jason Taylor... it's easy to disprove your claim that your personnel man isn't the best. Same with saying that a team with high player turnover continues to have success because of the system being so brilliant... who is to say they're the best, instead of just the luckiest because of their respective coaches? |
thats the most bullshit argument i've ever heard.I guess Jerry Rice wasnt all that good either. Rice was nothing without Montana or Young ( according to your logic ). Get out of here with that bullshit. We could attach that logic to any team in the league and come up with the same rediculous result you did. Harrison is a top 3 reciever with any QB in the league. If you watched the guy play and take a second to appreciate the things he does, you'd understand. Stokely was getting decent numbers with fucking Trent Dilfer. Sure his numbers went up with Manning. That was to be expected.
Your logic is so damn offensive. I cant believe you even blabbered that bull shit. I guess Andre Reed, Bruce Smith and Thruman Thomas werent that good either cause of Jim Kelly. If you seriously think that the Colts players are good because of Manning. You sir are a moron. |
Reggie Wayne is 10x better then Peerless Price was when he was in Buffalo. I'll give you the whole " Systems " argument. But the right players have to be in the right systems to flourish and thats why Polian is a genius. He's manage to draft all the right players. You cant argue that. He's done it in three places now. Buffalo, Carolina, Indianapolis. The results dont lie. He builds great franchises wherever he's gone.
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Manning has been a Pro Bowler for a while also and the Colts defense hasnt always been good. That blows your 1-2 td lead logic out of the water.
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I know i'm spamming, but one more thing. I dont care how many safteys Randy Moss drew, Michael Bennett never looked like a Pro Bowler.
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Put all of those posts into one, damn.
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The year Bennett was healthy he was Pro Bowl quality
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Some teams can't figure this out, like the Falcons who will draft a TJ Duckett or pick up Edge Hartwell, who was an ILB in a 3-4 before signing on as a LB in a 4-3. Don't forget the Steelers. They've had such a massive rotation on defense... losing players like Rod Woodson, Chad Brown, etc who went on to have numerous pro bowl seasons... but the Steelers never missed them. Which adds to my argument: If you have continuity, a coach and a personnel man who are in sync, it's really easy to build the team you want. But I agree, the three teams are the mold, basically, for how a team should be run. The Eagles had their window and lost it, and shot themselves in the foot by gambling on Owens. That's it for the NFC, IMO. |
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Steeler fans threatening a 62 year old lady for hitting Big Ben might be the second most fantastic thing i've heard this year, aside from hearing about Santonio Holmes second arrest for hitting his baby momma.
Go Steelers! |
Holmes came out early so he could support his 3 kids, now he has already gotten arrested twice since becoming a member of the Steelers in April.
THE Ohio State Unversity sure has turned out some shithead football players lately. |
AJ Hawk is probably running around right now looking for away to get in trouble, but he cant cause he's in Green " Fucking " Bay.
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AJ Hawk is a sick fuck
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He's probably raping cows right now just to get ready for the upcoming season.
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Hes probably punching babies while bench pressing 450 pounds close grip
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Troy Smith and Tedd Ginn where on the same high school team. That is fucking ridiculous
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It's pennsylvania... more than a few fans in pennsylvania do that shit.
But then it's the idiot fans who won the superbowl, traveling across country to get tickets to their games... wish MN had more fans like that. |
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http://www.profootballtalk.com/MarvinBen.jpg Says Bengals coach Marvin Lewis: "And that wasn't a late hit either, biatch." |
Lol, whats the Moss picture from?
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I guess he owns like juice stores or something? Like they make "fruit smoothies" I saw it on SportsLine thought it was pretty funny.
Probably a smart move though, actaully investing in something that makes money, instead like a lot of the shithead athletes that buy like 15 escalades |
Yeah, give him some income after football.
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<font color=goldenrod>I'm really sick of the fact that the Giants have been getting zero respect this offseason despite their signings. I've yet to see a single "professional NFL analyst" pick them to make the playoffs
Their only major loss was Kendrick Clancy...and Jonas Seawright can plug up the hole just as well. Their secondary is ridiculous now and their linebacking is awesome. Their offense is the same as last year. But all I ever hear is "T.O. is bringing the NFC EAST TO DALLAS!!!" and "THE REDSKINS' MOVES MAKE THEM THE FAVORITES" Fuck you. Just because the entire team didn't show up in a playoff game doesn't mean it's gonna carry into the season. If you win the division one year and don't lose a lot of key players, you are automatically the favorites for next year until other teams prove otherwise.</font> |
<font color=goldenrod>In fact, despite the great deal of talent they are bringing in, the Giants already have 50 of their 53 man roster determined already...which is pretty insane as is.</font>
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Character issues are once again a question for the Bengals as Odell Thurman was suspended first 4 games of the season for violating the substance abuse policy and then they draft talented but troubled former UVA standout Ahmad Brooks in the 3rd round of the Supplemental draft.
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TO did rip apart that division once and will probably do it again but that doesn't mean Dallas should be the favorite to win the division though.
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NFC East is the toughest division by far. Anyone of those teams can win it or finish last.
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NFC South is going to be the hardest division this year.. Mark my words..
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I don't know. Every year someone says so and so division will be the toughest division in the NFL, and every year that said division usually has at least two teams that under-perform.
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Panthers are already being picked to go back to the SuperBowl in 2006.. The Bucs are a young, tough team with a steller D, and awesome running game.. The Falcons have been a playoff team who until around week ten, were a major NFC threat last year.. Also, with the moves the Saints have made in the offseason, thewy have one of the most impressive depth charts in the entire NFL..
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I'm sorry did you actually just say the Cleveland Browns have a chance at winning the AFC North?
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Let's say that Pittsburgh's losses in free agency make them a weaker football team, Cincinnati is left without Carson Palmer, and Baltimore is just as mediocre as they were last year. I like Romeo Crennel and think that they've had a nice offseason, nice enough that they could possibly steal that division if those aforementioned actually do happen. |
The Falcons D will be sick this year. Mark my words.
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As always. Except for the Raiders, and the Chargers, and the Broncos. They suck. http://images2.sportsline.com/images/nfl/logos/KC.gif |
Wonder who made the playoffs last year from the west?
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DrA is right on point.
For the Giants, the season rests on how well Eli can play and if he'll be consistent. The rest of our offense is good (cause I mean c'mon, who can say Tiki isn't just nasty?) Our defense is going to be really good this year I think, I'm sayng top 5. |
Yeah this is the NFL so anything can happen as shown in years past.
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Why do they keep hyping a Larry Johnson 2000 rush season? No way he gets 2000, just because he played half the season and had over 1000 yadda yadda yada. He'll have a solid 1500 yards, and that's about it.
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Nah he will probably get 2,000 or really close. People say that he can't because he only started 9 games but he had a couple of close to 100-yard performances in games where he came in during the 3rd quarter or something.
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I'll go ahead and mark T.O down for 4 td's and 305 yards.
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Sam Madison is past his prime yeah, but he can still ball up. The other corner spot is the weakest position, where we are either going to have Curtis Deloatch or Corey Webster (who I think has great upside.) Will Demps and Gibril Wilson are two very solid safeties, and are both up and coming in the NFL. TO is probably the best player in the NFL on the field, off the field is another story. The Cowboys do scare me indeed, because they have weapons at every position. So TO is definitely going to help that, as well as it will help him. He is good, but not god. |
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Yeah, you guys are fucked. The Vikings on the other hand, when Brad Johnson gets injured we've got a top backup in Mike McMahon.
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Oh yeah guys the Cowboys still have Drew Bledsoe. They better hope they have the best OLine in the league
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Are we talking shit now? Is that whats going on?
Because THE ARIZONA CARDINALS (if their OLine is decent and their D can stay consistent and can avoid injury) WILL WIN (if not this year then possibly the next and probably the one after that) THE NFC WEST |
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