I have been thinking about 'the last recruit' and it is going to be very interesting as to what side they are on, as well as who they are.

I think Juliet is Jack's ex-wife in the alternate universe. They mention her, but they never showed her. I'm curious to see who it is, if they reveal it

Probably Walt

Juliet is probably gonna play a part in alternate Swayer's "awakening" by Desmond.

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Fucking amazing episode.

OH. MY. GOD. ahajhakahakhaka

and the Willy Wonka thing in the preview. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Badass use of Willy Wonka song.

Pretty awesome. MIB looked kind of confused/scared for a moment when he asked Desmond why he wasn't afraid.

That was top stuff, also any chance we can not discuss whats in the following weeks preview thing. Quite like going into each episode with no idea whatsoever whats going to unfold.

Then dont go in the thread

Can't believe I never made the Willy Wonka looking for a candidate to run his factory connection. Jacob is Wonka. IT'S SO OBVIOUS

I like how Desmond is the new jacob in the new reality.

Im betting that the smoke monster couldnt kill desmond because desmond lives through electromagnetic stuff and the smoke monster looks like it has electricity going through it. Probably why we see sayeed shooting at him in the well.

We saw Sayid shooting. Doesn't mean it was at Desmond though.

Sayid has been creepy as fuck the last few eps. Kudos to Naveen Andrews.

Ok

So We know Desmond lives by the preview...but not sure if being trapped will be a big deal.

Ilana got the Artz treatment LOl

I totally told Kano or Fangel their Locke coming back idea was shit, but now think it has beanring.

Sadly.

he will like internally fight MIB for the world.

Like Phoenix.

I love Hugo though. Guy just is scared, alone and wants to be loved.

Libby is looking OLD!

OH

And we all now know that the Wispers are not the others

hey are the dead that cannot move on

yea that was a cool revelation

Anyone think Michael was the smoke monster?

no, the smoke monster cannot take other forms at this point

I though it was a cool revelation, but I thought Michael's delivery of it really fell flat. Whether or not this was the original plan for the whispers I have no idea, but when you read the transcripts of the whispers, it certainly fits.

When Michael was telling Hurley to say sorry to Libby if he ever saw her I was at least hoping for her "...but I had to do it, THEY TOOK MY SON!!!" :(

WAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLTTTTTTTT

LOL

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what do you mean? Because I too thought he was the smoke monster until I realized he wasn't as the episode progressed. But what do you mean he cannot take other forms now?

He cannot change from his current John Locke form. We do not know why. But Ilana said this to Ben as they were on their way to bury the real Locke. Whoever though it was Michael needs to pay more attention :D

I'm telling you, my short term memory is terrible. plus I'm a terrible listener. just as my wife.

I just wrote out a fucking whole post of replies and thoughts on this episode but something went fucking wrong so I'll have to do it later!!! FUCK

Quick question:

Jacob told Richard what the Island really was. Did Richard share this information with Jack, Sun, Ilana, etc. to get them to cooperate with him in stopping MIB? Or were they just trusting him?

I don't feel like going back just to find that out. I was just curious if Jack and co. know what fake Locke's deal is

I'm guessing that Richard, Linus and Miles will probably end up with Whidmore and co.

It's interesting how the "war" or conflict has sort of shifted to MIB vs Whidmore, and not MIB vs Jacob.
I'm curious to see where Jacob will fit into all of this again, since him and MIB are still directly opposed and in conflict.
Hurley and Jack also seem to still trust Jacob, despite going to see MIB.

Richard is obviously on Jacob's side as of now, and fears MIB more than anyone. I'm curious to see how Whidmore feels about Jacob.
Is he waging this war for Jacob, The Island, or is he just concerned for the greater good?
Or is he really in it for power?

Interesting. It's very hard to tell what a lot of motives are here, and what each side of the conflict stands for. It's a total mystery at this point. We really just know there is a conflict brewing, rather than what it really is.

Its almost like there are 3 factions

Widmore

MIB

Jacobs candidates.

While Widmore is seemingly a JAcob follower, he seems to sort of be on his own.

I don't trust Whidmore's group as being good. Especially now that all of the shows heroes are in MIB's camp.
I'm still not sure if MIB will turn out to be the good one, and Jacob the bad one. I did for a while, but I don't think so now.
MIB continues to be not only creepy, but flat out bad. Maybe the Oceanic crew will use him or align with him, but I don't know.

Really just want to see the rest of the episodes. Waiting a week sucks.

I'm thinking maybe Jack will re-emerge as the leader, and get himself and all of the other Oceanic crew off the island and say fuck you to MIB, Jacob and Whidmore and let them figure it out on the Island.

Or not. FUCK. I don't know. Something has to give with the whole conflict and the keeping of the Island/candidates too.
This show is remarkable. It manages to keep me guessing and completely interested

I can definitely see my thought from some time last year coming true.. in that in the end, MiB will still be on the island still in Lockes body and he will walk up to Jack (now in Jacobs role) sitting on the beach, mirroring the Jacob/MiB scene from The Incident.

I also love how calm and cool Desmond has been throughout all this. After 3 years of being told how special he is, they are really coming through on this so far.

That'd be pretty cool. He sits down, and then....

or

FOUND

Nah, that closing screen has been so constant it'd anger me if they changed it. I love mimicking the sound every time it's about to come up

Jesus christ they better not do it then if it angers you, shit.

Relax there guy, not that serious. Also wouldn't make all that much sense since not only have they been found already, but they probably wouldn't be found that time either since they'd be leaving themselves. But I dunno, a lot happens in Lost over a 4 episode span

Still wanna know what's up with that kid who keeps appearing near (and scaring) Locke.

Charlie from the Chocolate Factory.

Here is my take on him at the moment...

The kid is Jacob. Or someone MIB got killed or had something to do with being killed. Or maybe even his son...

Anyway, it's what he says which is important. 'You can't kill him, you know the rules'. I stated when the The Substitute had aired that 'him' could very well be Jacob. I don't think he was talking about sawyer, because MIB needs him.

I really do think it's possible MIB 'broke the rules' like Widmore supposedly did when Keamy killed Ben's daughter.

Ben stabbed Jacob, but he wasn't dead until MIB kicked him into the fire. He killed him. In essence, this could mean that he has already lost or has a price to pay. Or has to do something else and further for him to 'win'.

Either way, whoever the kid is, the Island allows it to communicate with MIB and all those who see it. Maybe is a sign that the good side is winning, the more who can see it because they are now 'ready' and no longer flawed, as Mikhail once put it. Although the people he said it to were candidates, he said they were not on the list.

I have still not written and replied to the latest posts on the latest episode, I have a few good points to make. Hopefully tomorrow. Can't actually believe that even though it's weekly, we are already near the end :(

Also don't forget that after next weeks episode there's a one week break as well. Also one theory i've heard that I like is that the kid is an avatar of the island. Since the island is supposed to be considered a character (or something) according to abrams and lindoff.

No offense mate, but that avatar theory can fuck right off, lol no fucking way.

Also, I understand that although there is a one week break , the finale is still on th 23rd of May, hows that work do you know?

I think it'd be because the finale is technically two episodes? Not sure

Yeah two hour finale

There was supposed to be a one week break between the penultimate episode and the season finale, but they switched the break to the 27th.

The finale is on a Sunday night

Yup, which is great because we will watch one episode Tuesday and only have to wait till Sunday for the finale.

Imagine if they kept the break and we had to wait almost 2 weeks for the finale? people would go crazy

Do you think it's possible that this kid is one of the wandering dead on the island who don't have "closure" like Michael stated in the last episode? (I don't know if closure is the right word, but I think you know what I mean). Because it seems like all of the dead people that speak to Hurley seem to know what is going to happen in the future, like Michael instructing Hurley not to let Richard blow up the plane, or Richard's wife saying that they need to stop the MIB. Somehow, I think there is a link between this kid and the rest of the wandering dead.

He has to have greater importance than just one of the stuck ghosts. Some people are speculating it is Jacob and he respawned, and is now growing again. Sort of as a clock on MiB's plan to get off the island

That was a different kid from the one earlier on in the season wasn't it? I just figured that they were Jacob and MiB when they were kids. As to why and how they're showing up I have no clue and will leave that to the writers to explain.

Guess Desmond's car has Anti-Locke Brakes!

BAH DOOM PISH

lol

and it was the same kid apparently.

I thought the more recent kid had darker hair and could be MiB as a kid but I could do with re-watching.

Same kid, different hair colour

:roll: The point of this thread is to discuss what you think is happening, not just to wait for the writers to explain it. :p

lol well I said I thought the kids were Jacob and MiB but just didn't really have any thoughts on why. My bad though

I know them knowing what's going to happen is what it looks like is as work here, but I would like to think and have it actually not be that.

I don't think it's about them being able to see the future, I think it's about them being dead on the Island, they are more aware of what is at stake, what moves to make and have some kind of communion with the Island with regards to actions and reactions and the rules in play.

At this point in time, my best bet on who the kid is, is indeed either the MIB as a child, before he lost his way or his innocence, or Jacob. I'm leaning to Jacob more. Not too sure why his hair was a different but it's obviously a conscious decision by the writers, maybe it's their only way of making him age? - gradually he might get older and that is how we find out who he is? - whoever he is, he is important. But I have to go back to what I have already said, the kid is aware of 'the rules' and seems to be taunting the MIB and knows what is going on - so it could just be the Island choosing people with significance to deliver messages.

So far, we know (more or less), that certain dead people are not actually 'who they are':

Yemi - the MIB
Isabella - the MIB
Christian - MIB (I think)

Yet at the same time, people like Ana Lucia and Michael, seem to actually be those people.

But yeah, there is a link definitely.

im still going with the island being purgatory or hell with people who did something bad having to stay there after death and the people who are alive have to stay there until they serve a purpose

There are many things we have seen since the beginning of this awesome show that all point to that kind of answer. Because of that fact, I believe it is not the correct one.

Anyone know how Sky will handle the finale?

The episode shown on Tuesday in the states is shown on Friday in the UK. They won't be able to show the final episode on the Sunday that it airs in the US. Would they wait til the Friday? What about the "risk" of spoilers?

No idea how that will work. Good luck on that

Couldn't give a shit. I intend to download the finale and burn it to DVD and enjoy an ad free personally made finale night in.

Oh, yeah, I mean I'll be watching it on the net as soon as humanly possible. Just wondering really.

Nice, presume Widmore is planning on giving Locke back Sawyer and Co in exchange for Desmond.

What another awesome episode.

Still, it's pretty certain now that there are going to be a a few things that are left unanswered, there are simply not enough episodes. Gonna be interesting which ones are left.

So...

- I wonder what Desmond said to Sayid to change his mind, or if they have a plan?

- Fucking loved Jack in this episode. I thought him and Sawyer were going to fight, but he mimicked his own jumping off the helicopter thing and abandoned ship. Thought that was awesome. Gonna be very interesting to see what him and MIB get up to.

- It's crazy how MIB chose Locke to be his patsy, giving him false hope of destiny and purpose, while the whole time Jack would act as his opposite, and now, Jack, believing Locke was right the whole time, is sticking and holding on to this new found faith. MIB chose Locke as his mater-plan, and Jacobs, if indeed it is Jack (right now I think so), who turns out to be the guy who truly did believe in fate, he just didn't know it. He won him around.

- I can see a few deaths coming soon also.

- I did call it! - Jack is going to fix Locke in the flash sideways reality. He will fix his back and have him walking again. Desmond with reunite everyone, somehow and someway the realities will merge, and Locke, John Locke will once again be risen, I hope.

Think it's a two fucking week break till the next fucking episode, would like to know why this is, since I can't think of a fucking reason why...but the next ep - The Candidate

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scene of the night was Jack and Sawyer talking, then Jack jumping off the f'n boat.

great scene. Not entirely convinced Flocke was telling Jack the truth about Christian, but I guess it makes sense.

I lol'd at "John Locke was a sucker"

lol me too

How many episodes in the season? 20?

Yeah it's confusing because he looked like he was worried when Jack asked him about, and the fact that Jack saw Christian. He seemed to cover that up with the whole 'you were looking for water' thing - but MIB as smokey has the ability to read minds, or at least flash into people's pasts. Last week just before MIB chucked Desmond into the well, Desmond said something like 'you read my mind, brother', kinda made a moment out of it when it was said.

Claire also seemed like she felt as if she knew the difference between Christian and MIB as Locke, as if she knows it wasn't him. I dunno.

I'm really worried there isn't much time left for Ben on the show :(

18

3 episodes left, then the two part finale, so 5 in total.

Jesus.

I just found out the titles of the remaining episodes...highlight below to read...

14 - The Candidate
15 - Across The Sea
16 - What They Died For
17/18 - The End parts I & II

15 interests me A LOT for some reason.

15 is about MIB and Jacob as the "flash" (insert direction) characters

Good thought, Widmore trades the losties for Desmond...or he plans to kill/imprison them so they cant leave with MiB.

Looks like MIB fucking goes apeshit in 2 weeks. HOT

Ok, so here is my thought

JAck is working on Locke. Ben is waiting on word on locke.

Juliet will end up being jacks ex wife and will come to pick up her son.

Jin and Sun are in the hospital already.

Claire will go into labor and Ilana will bring her to the hospital.

This is going to lead to them all in the hispotal and will trigger a massive memory flash.

The only questions is how do they get Kate, Said and Sawyer there...like something could happen at the station that brings them all there...jsut not sure.

Yeah all sounds good...

Maybe Sayid escapes and takes Kate hostage with Sawyer giving chase and they converge at the hospital. I would think with him being 'evil', he would play the part of a gun-toting, car-stealing maniac. Or en route to processing with Kate and Sayid, things happen and they end up at the hospital.

There is also the matter of one, Hugo Reyes. Not too sure about him, maybe he goes there to get his head checked out from remembering?

Don't want to count out people like Charlie, Shannon, Boone or Libby either.


And what was the deal with Sun being scared of Locke while arriving at the hospital. Maybe being shot and on the verge of death she got a flash also. A flash of what's going on on the Island now, maybe?

Don't want to count

I think the bigger question is still how?

Can't just be all in one place and they merge the realities? really?

But yeah,

Jack jumping off the boat last night was iconic. It just finally told the audience that Jack believes. He finally believes in something he's argued the entire series. I mean, he's done a complete 180 this season, but that scene kind of put the icing on the cake.

great episode

You could say it was Jack's leap of faith.

Has anyone mentioned this?

Remember when they were wheeling in Sun and Locke...she looked at him and said something like "No, not him!"

What up with that? Realities merging?

fuck yea it was.

I'm always a fan of the Lone Wolf type character in any series/movie and that's why I've always been a fan of Locke. I love those characters that go against the grain.

And Jack was like, you all may not believe, but I do. hell yea. gonna go watch this again.

Hate that Zoe bitch in a bad way. Ready to see her get thrashed by Smokey.

Yeah I mentioned it :D

Seems to be a good explanation. Getting specific, there should be a more definite reason though why she would recognise him. Maybe being near death with the bullet, or the hit on the head on island?



I also though this is what happened to Claire. When her house got exploded by the soliders in season 4, that she died, MIB saved her, and that is why and how she vanished and became the way she is. Dogen even said the same thing that happened to Sayid, happened to Claire when he was talking to Jack.

Could be possible, but I don't think so. Think it's more going to actually be about Jack as a believer in himself, the real Locke, the Island and his destiny VS MIB's manipulation and belief that everyone is corruptible. Jack looks to be 'The Candidate' right now, and his true fight will be against MIB, alone. To some degree at least.



Totally agree. Widmore can die a horrible one too. Prick.

:D

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So has everyone just written off the idea that Sarah could be Jack's alternatew reality wife?

Really like the way they aren't really presenting MIB as one of those all knowing, omnipotent villains. He seems as baffled at some of the events as we are, and he seems to "role with the punches" a lot. Top gent.

Had a little brainwave last night, I think I know how or who they are going to merge the realities with....

It's Juliet. She will be the ex wife in the new reality, Jack once said in season 3 that she resembles Sarah, not in those exact words. But more to the point, she, like Desmond has been exposed to the same kind of energy, how do we know she was and that she is now part of the new reality? because she 'told' Miles when he communicated with her in the second part of LA X. She told Miles it worked, she must be or maybe is operating with the same intentions as Desmond is, maybe.

Just a thought I had.

I think it has to be juliet because she has said she will be on this season, and there is really no other way to bring her in, and it would be a swerve.

SO we never found out why Ben could summon smokey to kill the mercs...

I thought Smokey was at the service of the Temple until he killed Jacob. Obviously he was working on his loophole this whole time, but until he got Jacob out of the way I assumed he had certain duties to perform.

In any event, killing the mercs was in Smokey's interests. It was to keep all of the candidates safe

great f'n scene. It was like he was channeling Locke...right down to calling Sawyer "James".

I love every scene of Desmond in the alt-timeline. He is almost playing it to a point of being creepy but it works so well (the Desmond "theme" is great too)

This is correct. Or at least to a point. MIB needed certain things to happen to gain access to Locke's body. If the soldiers were not taken care of, Ben and Locke never would've found their way to The Orchid, where Ben would move the Island, and Locke never would've had to put the donkey wheel back on it's axis or leave the island.

There is so much they need to explain, Ben summoning the monster is not really one of them, although the room he did this in, and the process of draining that sink hole is very interesting. What I would like to know more about these kinds of questions would be, who actually sent the soldiers there. They said they were working for Widmore, and that secondary protocol did indeed instruct them to 'torch the island' and kill everyone anyway. Yet Widmore alluded to the idea he wasn't the one who sent them there when he met Sawyer in the sub. But then, and this is the biggest proof he DID send them, Matthew Abbanon (sp) the big black guy, he is the one who was talking to Naomi about her mission, and he was Widmore's right hand man, untll Ben shot him, lol.

We better hear Hollywood and Vines this season! Probably in the finale.

Its good to see some people still enjoying the show. 90% of the people who post on Lostpedia are freaking out that the show sucks now and they have wasted six years of their life.

I just rewatched parts of the season 5 finale. Its actually much better knowing what we know now. This is how I expect season 6 to feel when all is said and done.

really? why? I've thought the progression of the show has been astounding, and everything that happens weekly is just better and better.
It sucks that it's ending, but it has to and it obviously needs to go somewhere. I feel as though it may be a result of their expectations reaching some unattainable state, or their interest in it being so hardcore that they can't reconcile their own theories/opinions with the answers that have finally arrived.

People usually seem to enjoy the mystery and journey more than the resolution.
Still, I don't really get that. The show hasn't really let up at all, and they continue to do things their way and never the obvious/easy way out.
Differing view of things I guess.