Yeah I honestly don't even know why you guys listen to Gertner anymore, he just says stupid shit to piss you off.

I am sure he is going to post now about how the Blue Jays are better than the Red Sox - even though the Red Sox shut it down about 5 weeks ago at this point.

Stima, think Manny will be back with the BOSOX next year?

I don't in a way, because I think the Red Sox are going to start a new generation with basically Ortiz from the World Series team, but at the same time, is anybody going to take on Manny? I could see him ending up somewhere like the Braves, the Angels or like randomly Philadelphia or something, but I think the Red Sox are going to get some new blood in there behind Ortiz.

I think Manny will actually be gone for once. Probably to the Angels for the Figgins/Santana/Shields package which would be pretty good for the Sox.

Can you imagine how much Miz would love the Red Sox if they had Figgins? IMO that would be one hell of a deal for the Red Sox, Santana is a solid starter and Shields can help any bullpen.

That's the deal that was RUMORED would be put together for A-Rod (who isn't going anywhere most likely, unless he has the worst postseason of all time), so I'm assuming that's about what they'd offer the Sox. They'd take it, especially since Figgins kills the Yankees.

The only place that A-Rod can be is the Yankees, IMO. It won't be any better playing really well for a bad team, because he still has his contract. I also don't see why a small market team would take him. He is a great player, but it would have to be a huge price for a publicity stunt by like Kansas City or Pittsburgh or Milwaukee.

Until he gets rid of that contract, he can only play in the biggest market.

Yeah, A-Rod won't be going anywhere. He has the no-trade clause and I can't see him lifting it really, no matter how much shit he gets in NY. I don't want to see him anywhere else either.

As for Manny, if he goes anywhere I think it'd be the Angels. A big bat is their biggest need, but I still don't know if the Red Sox would pull off a deal.

lol Manny/Figgins/Vlad. Like seriously worst defensive OF of all time

Yeah Manny will probably be traded since I just got one of those tshirt jerseys with his name on the back haha, always happens

I think/hope the Angels will be stupid enough to try to get Manny. Moreno is already putting pressure on Stoneman to make some big changes this offseason, most importantly to the offense. And I know Moreno would love Manny. I would imagine it would cost Ervin Santana, Joe Saunders and Dallas MacPherson.

As far as the rest of the Angels,

definately gone:
Tim Salmon
Adam Kennedy
Brendan Donnelly
Darin Erstad
Chone Figgins

What is Darin Erstads deal? He has been linked in Twins rumors for a long time. I wonder if he could be like a defensive replacement first baseman or something.

Also, I just remembered the rumor from ESPN.com earlier this season that the Twins were going to trade Morneau for Koskie straight up.

Anyone who gives Erstad regular playing time is insane. He has had ONE good season in his career, and it was 6 years ago. He is useless with the bat, late-inning-defensive-replacement only.

BLUE JAYZ RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that I think about I don't think the Red Sox are going to trade Manny. I dunno why they would, he had a good season and its not like he was doing his typcial shithead stuff either so I don't know. Unless they can get really good pitching for him I don't really see the point.

What does he have left on his contract? Just two years I think? That would be the logical reason, trying to get something back for him with only two years left. Not even sure if it is two years but thats what I thought I heard.

With 4 at-bats tonight, Robinson Cano qualifies for the league leaders in AVG. He's at .342 now with Jeter right behind at .340

Cano has the better chance of catching Mauer because his AVG will go up more with a couple hits. But Mauer doesn't seem to stop hitting so it would be tough.

Yeah I think so, I dunno they gotta do something. Pretty disappointed about this past season (obviously) can't even watch the game cuz I just get depressed seeing positional players with #'s in the 60's

Gonna be pretty interesting to see what they do in the offseason. Gotta assume they will do some pretty big moves.

Justin Morneau 3-run homer to ice it in the eighth, THE TWINS ARE GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS BABY!

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Toronto would dominate the west :)

West: 17-18 :)

Oh fucking A's

Joey RoXer, would you be interested in an AL postseason avatar bet? I know we have some Yankees and Tigers supporters around too to join in.

And yes, I'm operating under the assumption that Oakland won't choke and miss the playoffs.

Nah. After I have to switch to Cards or Cowboys or UofA

Enough about fucking Toronto already. They aren't making the playoffs just like the Red Sox, so their season isn't better than anybody else's.

We'll be back

lol Red Sox just had one of the most disappointing finishes in like the last 6 years and still have a good chance of having a better record than the Jays.

jays arent gonna fade.

Yeah I dunno what they are going to do though

ok natureboycv

The Yankees will win the AL hands down.

I'm thinking a repeat of the Subway Series in 2000.

haha no but I mean, I really have no idea what possibles are even out there, I haven't heard much outside of a few trades involving Manny Ramirez which I don't see happening personally.

To start, there's only a few places Manny could actually go because there are only a few places that can afford the money. I do think, if he gets moved, he's only going to one place:

The New York Mets.

They've wanted him in the past and probably still do. They're willing to deal with 'Manny being Manny' and most importantly can take on the money. It helps that Manny lives in NYC because he'd at least semi want to be here. The Red Sox would probably want some combination of prospects and major league players probably starting with Milledge and going from there, but that's a deal I could see being done.

As for the Sox, I really believe this was an anomoly year. Wells and Clement got hurt early. Wakefield and Trot Nixon got hurt later on (which goes 2 fold because they would have gotten Abreu if Nixon had gone down sooner) Beckett isn't going to give up 30 some odd home runs again. Schilling should be solid with Beckett, Wakefield, Clement and Papelbon/whomever is going to be the #5

You guys that rag on Toronto 'fading' seem to have conveniently forgotten that they used AAA pitching far too much this season due to injuries.