He's obviously speaking through some sort of modulator. That's not a 'normal' voice. It's definitely not Bruce Wayne talking differently to disguise his voice. He's doing way more than that to disguise his voice. Sounds really similar to Bane's style of voice from DKR.

If it was up to me I'd have a segment devoted entirely to Bruce disguising his voice as Batman with a voice changer and he goes through different voices from a database until it comes to Kevin Conroy's Batman voice and then he stops and says, "this sounds about right" or something along those lines.

Keep dreaming pal.

Only if there's also a sexline operator voice in the database.

It's actually a cool and clever idea.

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I'd watch that film.

I disagree I used to hate superman(till I saw All-Star Superman) but truth be told striped of his powers Clark Kent is an absolute joy to follow in the comics
he becomes vulnerable for a day when he goes all out which I also love.

But why is it that Marvel can make something like Daredevil dark and gloomy and people praise it as the greatest thing ever?

I attended the IMAX trailer premiere and the final scene was epic.

It showed Batman and Superman running at each other and right before they collide it cut to black. The entire theatre went ape shit.

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Batman ft. Superman: Rush to the Justice League :lol:

To be fair I think they hit it on the head in that honest teaser. Ant Man does look fucking stupid.

Marvel can get away with stupid. :p

And Ant-Man looks fun.

I don't see what was wrong with Man of Steel. Hell I even liked Green Lantern. This should be a bad ass movie.

you really are just a fan

See that's pretty cool.

Superman looks funny "running".

Batman wins.

It's too soon for Batman, or any version of Batman, in my opinion
 

I think it's too soon for another Batman movie to be perfectly honest (even if it's Batman/Superman).


The Dark Knight trilogies just ended only a few short years ago. I would rather have seen this kind of movie come out around 2019-2020.


For instance, when the original Batman movie series ended in 1997 (Batman and Robin), there was an 8 year gap before 'Batman Begins' hit the screens in 2005.


This Batman/Superman movie will do well at the Box Office, but I think too many people will be comparing this Batman to Christian Bale's version of Batman and I think the movie as a whole risks feeling 'jaded.'






#WayTooSoon

I said this a while ago but people would rather a Justice League sooner rather than later, and that need far outweighs seeing a new Batman so soon. The Amazing Spidey series revealed people will certainly get over that and move on (and are ready for a 3rd Spidey).

New Batman. Okay, whatever.

I was initially against the idea, but Snyder's version is so clearly, blatantly different, that I'm on board with Batfleck. By the time this comes out, it'll have been 4 years since TDKRises. I think with all the other comic films, and the buzz surrounding this movie, reintroducing Batman is actually a good idea. DC waiting could be costly for their film universe.

I assume this is seconds before Superman tears through Batman like tissue paper.

Hey Superman could be weakened from a Harbinger Nuclear missile that detonated in his face.

You never know.

I've been thinking about what makes Batman think he stands a chance myself. There's some mcguffin we haven't heard about yet.

Or that Iron Bat suit is really, really good.

I'm sure Kryptonite will be involved.

As much as I like Batman I'm assuming his later scenes after this one are as a bag of blood voiced by Ben Affleck

Stuff I'm noticing:

- That rush down is in a different area than the rainy exterior they faced off at in the trailer.
- The fight looks like it's indoors. It's odd thinking about Superman fighting anybody and it stays in doors. A fight with him tends to span across the whole area (in Zod's case, into orbit). Can Batman keep the fight on the ground? I imagine a fight with Superman would be an embarrassing game of keep-a-way.
- More odd, as mentioned, is Superman running toward Batman. Why? Superman seems kinda grounded. Perhaps there is some thing zapping his powers to even things up. Maybe there is kryptonite involved.

OR maybe Superman is being way too sporting and sandbagging so he doesn't completely decimate Batman in a minute.

I'd assume Batman's confidence comes from having some sort of upper hand that Supes is unaware of.

Is this a serious question? The dude has ONE HUGE WEAKNESS....and it's used in almost every instance where someone bests him.

Cmon Kalyx....CMON

"Kids, in the summer of 2016, I had the idea to fight a god. I want to tell you the story of How I Met The Superhero That Killed Me Dead."

Kalyx is oblivious to kryptonite. This is a realistic assertion.

And Bruce Wayne has access to the most advanced tech in the world. To think he doesn't implement some badass kryptonite device is beyond ignorant. There is zero logical reason Superman would "run" toward an opponent, especially if he appears to have an "evil" and/or "God Complex" type attitude.

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Best bat suit ever?

Damn, Affleck looks pretty good.

The cowl is pretty great. The rest is sorta whatever to me. The bat logo looks off.

Where the fuck is his neck?

Meh. Looks like all the others.

Afflecks fucking huge I love it!

Side-note Oddly enough its wonder Woman I'm the most pumped for

C'mon. I know you're not too interested in the movie itself (and I can't blame you) but that suit looks nothing like the predecessors.

It looks different, but we've already had seven different Bat-suits. I'm past the point of "OMG THAT LOOKS AMAZING HOLY FUCK!!!!!!" and it's more like "yep, he's Batman that's what he looks like".

I'm interested to see Affleck in the role though, because I like Ben Affleck.

I can see that second take. I think Affleck is going to do well with whatever he's given. I'm just hoping what he's given is worth a shit. Felt like Cavill got short changed by the MOS script.

Still prefer the suit from The Dark Knight.

That does look like a suit he would wear in the comics.

One thing it does look relatively comfortable it looks like its not gonna protect him from shit.

I also liked the one from the Dark Knight series more.

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Suicide Squad thread is that way -->

Margot Robbie is welcomed in all DC threads.

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Pardon my ignorance

I love the trailer. Really annoying I have to wait 8 more months for this movie.

BvS and Civil War is gonna be a brawl.

Really not that long. Feels like the last year flew by where all we got was bootleg footage from last year's comic con.

I have to admit, the new trailer looks bad fucking ass. The dialogue sounds worlds better than MoS. But.....it's still Zack Snyder and I'm still fighting from having much hope for his movie. I'll hope it turns out mediocre.

Didn't care for Man of Steel, and don't have huge amounts of faith in Zack Snyder.... but I will rush out to see this like a sucker.

Guess we'll just skip over to Tim Drake when the time comes.

You can have some freedom with minor characters and whatnot, but you don't completely change the most iconic characters, period. Lex Luthor as an angry teenager is just wrong.

Still, the movie looks badass.

They're coming out months apart now, so nope.

What's up WWII style Batman?

Is that referencing any stories from the comics?

WWII style?

Think he means desert storm Batman.

Jesse Eisenberg is 31. I'm open to his interpretation. Maybe he sucks, but maybe he's actually really good. Why don't we wait till the movie comes out?

And yeah, even if it's not good, I'll probably see this opening day. Because Batman...

Yes desert storm works as well.

I... don't really get what you mean about the war here.

The guys with "S" on their uniforms fighting Batman who looks to be in some sort military gear.

I don't see this 'angry teenager Lex' you constructed and why you criticize it as if you made an apt observation about his character. You said it, nobody agreed with you, and you mentioned it again. Hoping it'll stick? I dunno. You write strange things.

I make an observation about his appearance and that's all. Why would I need anyone agreeing with me? He looks shit to me and that's my opinion. You speak like every time you say something everybody follows, which is clearly not the case.

Pfft. Sixx probably doesn't even know Squirrel Girl's origin story.

*gropes female cosplayer*

Bitch, you probably don't know Phone Ranger's origin story and that guy's classic.

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You've been making odd comments like you used to years ago. Just seemed like a strange resurgence.

I think Sixx is right to question. Eisenberg is a good actor but he's an odd choice to oppose Superman as his arch nemesis. So I get where he's coming from.

I will say this: I am a thousand times more interested to see this than I was before.

However, I agree with Sixx about Lex Luthor - JE looks miscast at first blush - and am in a similar boat as Lock Jaw in that since Man of Steel sucked, I'm still not totally on board.

So, yeah, I'm pretty much completely out of f$%&s to give regarding DC's movies at this point. I'm sure y'all will enjoy the hell out of this trailer though if it hasn't already been posted that is. Personally I found countless things wrong with this that have pushed me off the fence and into the "not gonna spend money on this" territory. Looks like Michael Bay trying to ape Christopher Nolan honestly.
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Michael Bay couldn't have put together such a well written trailer. I'm no Zack Snyder fan but he's a far better film maker than Bay.

What didn't you like about it, Wishbone?

The CGI was pretty bad in my opinion, and that took me out of it a lot.

I also don't like a lot of the story implications that seem to be hinted at in the trailer. Batman seems waaaay too dark here. I'm a fan of a darker Batman like what we're currently getting in the comics, but I'm not a fan of the full on 80's "I'm edgy as fuck" Batman that they seem to be going for here.

There's too much revenge motivation going on, and that just isn't Batman to me. This Batman seems even more angsty and pissed off than the Dark Knight Returns Batman that he's based on. I mean it looked like he flat out branded a dude with the Bat-symbol at one point in the trailer. And then we had the original trailer with the "Do you bleed?" line which is completely out of character.

Then we have the problem with Man of Steel Superman being in it, and I absolute hate everything about that version of Superman. He's out of character as hell. He's too emo, and he's smaller than Batman in this which is ridiculous IMHO. Also the line from his mother, "Be their hero, or don't. You don't owe this planet anything" was just awful. That is completely out of character for the Kents. The whole reason Superman is a hero is because his parents raised him to believe that he is obligated to help people thanks to his amazing gifts, yet this version of the Kents has told him to hide his powers, possibly let a school bus of kids die just to hide his powers, and now tells him that if he wants he should just tell the world "fuck you" and walk away. It's like this isn't even Superman anymore.

And Wonder Woman... Oh god Wonder Woman... Physically she's completely wrong for the part. She's a god damn twig. And even if you get past the awful casting there's bound to be story problems. I mean, sure, we don't actually know anything about her yet from just the trailers, but if they couldn't even get Batman and Superman right then I honestly have no faith in them getting Wonder Woman right.

Finally I just hate how much of a cluster fuck this movies turning out to be. They're doing the second movie in their universe and they're already pulling the "Avengers card". It's too soon to be cramming this much into one movie. We're getting characters we've never seen before just popping up. There's no way they can fit character development for all of them into one movie, even if it's three hours. This should have been Batman vs Superman only. Having the others is just stupid. And now it looks like we may even see more than one villain. They're setting themselves up for disaster here.

Anyway those are just my thoughts. Sorry for the ranty essay style post. If you actually read the whole thing thanks! lol

"Batman is way too dark here."

Gotham and Metropolis are next to each other. It's like San Francisco and Oakland.

I read it. And for the most part I very much see where you're coming from and you make a compelling argument. Truth be told I'm not really up on Superman's character and I haven't read anything on him, so as far as Snyder's interpretation, I'm open to it, though I wasn't a fan of MoS.

In terms of Batman, I'm not so tied to the comics that I can't accept or be open to a different take. Really, the only thing I really care about is if the movie is good.

I think your comment about over stuffing the movie with characters is spot fucking on, btw. That's my biggest concern to this point.

I had no idea Flash was supposed to be in this.

Yeah, I think the general public will be fine with the changes, and I fully expect this movie to do extremely well at the box office. It's just not for me. I know the Batman and Superman I both grew up with and like seeing today, and these aren't them. I'll probably pick the movie up when it becomes available for rental, or maybe at the dollar theater. Not something I'd spend 12 bucks on a ticket and another 20 on snacks for though.

As for the "too many characters" thing, well, I think it just boils down to greed and no real appreciation for the characters or where they come from. Warner Brothers is just looking for a quick buck by replicating what Marvel did as quickly as possible. With Marvel you can see that the people involved are having fun, and that they often have love or at the very least respect for the source material. With Warner Brothers though,
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Agreed. Wish they'd take their time but they drug their asses for so long they're know in a corner where Marvel is making heaps of money and all they've managed in that time is MoS. They could've easily released two other movies establishing their universe started in MoS instead of waiting for this film to do it.

Oh well. Like I said,I'm open to giving it a shot. Bringing in a decent writer to rewrite David Goyer's script was a good sign, and I've enjoyed pretty much everything they've released to this point. I'm just hoping it's a decent film.

Batman is not the Punisher. He's not Wolverine. Branding people with Bat-symbols and acting like a "badass" by threatening a literal god face to face with "You will bleed" is not Batman. Let me guess, you probably think Dark Knight Returns is one of the best Batman stories ever, and think Nolan's films are the greatest comic book movies of all time, right? Batman's villains are best when they're totally dark and twisted, yes, but Batman himself is best when he refuses to stoop to their level and beats them anyway. Batman doesn't kill or even aim to maim someone for life unless it's absolutely necessary. Hell, he's the guy that would put a psycho like the Joker in a mental institute for help rather than killing him and "avenging" the hundred's he's killed.

Batman murdered hundreds back when he was goofy, not gritty, in the 50s or so. Hell, he murdered Joker in the very first issue Joker showed up. They just brought him back, cause they decided he'd make for a good recurring villain.

If this one proves me wrong and turns out to be a great movie I'll definitely give DC another chance. In fact I pray I'm wrong because I personally love DC's characters and universe.

It'd be so great if this and Suicide Squad blew away my expectations. If they do then maybe we might get to see more of Harley Quinn, and maybe even a Red Hood movie down the line. Oh, and I'd kill for an actually decent Hellblazer movie.

The very first issue the Joker appeared in was during the golden age. Long before Batman became "goofy". In fact Joker's first appearance had him as a very dark character that murdered people.

It wasn't until the silver age that we got the campy Batman stuff, and that was decades later. It's also worth noting that the golden age isn't even connected to the current continuity, or even the continuity any of us on this forum could have grown up with (seeing as it was back in the 30's and 40's).

During that time Batman killed plenty of people. He also fought Nazis, as did Superman. None of that is canon to the characters anymore. In fact DC even went so far as to establish the golden age as a completely different universe during the silver age effectively making golden age Batman a completely different character than the one we know.

Huh. The more you know I guess.

The panels I read made him look goofy. Then again I'm not big on DC, so what do I know?

lol That is totally Batman. It doesn't matter if he could make a god bleed, it's very concept of the gesture. Be it Superman or Darksied or Thanos himself; they have to wonder, "Wow, who does this guy think he is?"

He's the God Damned Batman. he gets in your head. He makes you wonder. That's the point. He once got Darkseid to relinquish control of Supergirl on a hilariously risky bluff. Was Bruce going to actually destroy Apokalypes for Supergirl? We'll never know. But the Dark One didn't wanna see if the crazy guy in a batsuit was serious. That's Batman.

And the branding thing? I'm gonna assume Bruce's rationale was, "He'll live." In fact he's lucky he didn't break the other one. "The other wha-"

*SNAP*

That's Batman.

No to both. And like so many others who ask loaded questions the next few lines work off the false premise, right?

You are LUCKY if Batman's rogues gallery leaves you with a burn and verbal threats. Batflek has done nothing seen so far that stoops to their level. What are you on about?

He's killed nobody in this trailer. Batkeaton took a few lives and Batbale invoked a ridiculous loophole on Ras, but Batflek has shown no sign of this. In fact we see him narrowly dodge a full blown heat vision kill shot from Supes.

What are you talking about? Obviously Batflek put Joker away at some point rather than kill him, even after the apparent death of a Robin. Is there some footage of a killing machine Batflek that we haven't seen yet?

Yeah, golden age comics looked goofy as hell even when they tried to be serious. There's a panel I saw a while back where a dude is dying in agony and the whole thing looks funny as hell. :lol:

In response to Kalyx, I never said that Batflek killed anyone. You just keep making it sound like he should be cold blooded and dark enough to do it, which he shouldn't.

As for the other movie Batman's, yes, they did do all that, and I dislike them for it. I was never a big fan of the 90's Batman movies. Even the first one was just "alright" IMO. And Nolan's films were barely Batman movies at all. Sure they were good films, but you could easily have taken out anything Batman related and just made it a generic vigilante storyline without losing anything.

You also quote the Arkham games here which I feel the same way about as the Nolan films. They're fun games, but they're really not as great as everyone makes them out to be. They always try way too hard to seem dark and gritty to the point it feels completely forced. Hell, I've never even played one to completion cause I just lose interest.

Outside animation I don't think anyone's ever gotten Batman right truthfully, but honestly I think that goes for most of DC's stuff. Their universe and style just lends itself better to comics and animation than it does to live action.

lol wut?

Sorry if I sound like that but trust that I believe The Batman should not kill people.

True. Very few people recognize that they were good films rather than especially good Batman films. The Nolan trilogy, particularly TDK, are arguably better 'films', but the MCU has a ton of better 'superhero movies'. Glad you noticed that, really.

I agree partly on the try-hard nature of the violence and themes, but you're gonna have a hard time finding a better superhero game. Few games merge the core of the hero with gameplay.

No reason not to go for it. The DC movies could lighten up a bit. Scarcrow's first dialogue with Batman in 'Begins can be attributed to the entire DCCU.

Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms

Yeah, I'd like to see DC lighten up a little. At least with Superman. They're trying way to hard to be dark and it's getting annoying. There's a time and place for everything, and a Superman movie is not the place for it. I have no problem with all the action in MoS like many do. In fact I loved that part of the movie. What I didn't like was all the inner turmoil drama they shoehorned in. It's Superman vs Zod for Christ's sake lol. If Superman were fighting a less powerful villain, sure, I'd buy them needed more inner demon stuff to make it seem like Superman was in trouble, but when you've got what is essentially "evil Superman" you don't need that. The movie would have been far better if it was just about Superman trying to save the day.

And, yeah, I'll agree that there aren't many better Superhero games out there than the Arkham games. They're definitely fun games to play. I just don't feel like they capture the essence of Batman is all. In fact I'd argue that the only Superhero game that I thought was better was probably Spider-Man 2. That game was the shit. I also rather liked Hulk: Ultimate Destruction. But, yeah, outside those there aren't many good Superhero games honestly.

Spider-Man 2 is the greatest superhero game ever made and I hate Activision for not even attempting to evolve what they had there.

Amazing Spider-Man 2 emulated the core gameplay but by then it just feels archaic and derivative. Just imagine Spider-Man 2 evolving the way GTA evolved. It probably would have become a Marvel Universe thing.

Dude, that would have been the greatest thing in the history of ever.

See, I disagree with the idea that the Nolan films aren't good Batman films. I don't think taking away Batman and putting some other character in there would still make the movies work. They were great films about how Nolan perceived the idea of Batman, and great films overall.

I guess this is where I differ from some comic fans. I appreciate a serious, character driven approach to Superman and initially liked the idea of how he came to be. MoS dropped the ball ultimately, but I'm always more interested in the characters themselves than what they're actually doing.

And like I've said before, I'm not tied to the comics to that extent. To me, if the film is good, if the characters are well developed and represented respectfully, even if the creative team took some liberties or tried to delve into the characters by going in a different direction, than I'm all for it.

That's partly why I'm some what burned out on Marvel. Feel like all their movies look, sound and are shot the same way. Just thinking about them now, there's no discernable difference in how I remember the look and feel of one movie to the other.

With Nolan, his films are completely different than any comic film before or after. They have an immediate,recognizable look and feel. Even MoS is different in that way. I know DC has been knocked before about being "too dark", but I do not see any connection in how Nolan produced his films and how MoS and now Dawn of Justice are being shot. You see Zack Snyder, for better or for worse, written all over this movie. Feels like you could just let the director go uncredited in the Marvel films, or credit the same guy for every one, and it would go unnoticed.

I applaud that DC is trying to separate itself and its properties from Marvel by being completely different. Whether or not it's going to work has yet to be seen. But I'm happy too see it play out.

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The key takeaway here is you're arguing from a casual perspective, while me and Wish are arguing from the comic fans' perspective. I personally believe Marvel's approach is more tonally honest, and shows more respect to the fanbase that supported these characters. The movies are already 'nerfed' for the mainstream by default, so when something like Spidey 2 and Avengers comes along jumping out of the page we lean toward those.

I love the Nolan trilogy but the tone really isn't for every hero (especially big blue). Don't force a dichotomy between MCU's tone and characterization. Tony Stark as of Iron Man 3 is every bit as compelling as Batbale.