Really, really want Sting to win. I do think they're going to go down the "Hey, you have two titles now, you gotta defend them both..." path, and have Rollins work with Cena, then play bouncy ball for Sting.

Throw that in there with The Dudley Boyz challenging for the WWE Tag Team Titles, and you have a pretty surreal PPV.

I've got a feeling that if Sting felt he shouldn't go over Triple H at WrestleMania, then he probably doesn't want to de-rail Seth and win the World Heavyweight Championship. In fact, he'll probably insist John Cena beat Rollins and he doesn't...

Still not feeling Braun Stowman in the role he's in. Seems very...hapless out there. Not experienced enough for this shit. And now that Sting is facing Rollins, who does that leave for Reigns & Ambrose? Orton? Cesaro? A 2-on-3 Handicap Match?

Depending on what happens with Lesnar, if he angrily "goes home" because of the bullshit finish to his match, Taker joining The Shield against The Wyatts could be a thing. He wouldn't have to work too much in a 6-man and you'd add another major name to a B-level PPV card that's already SummerSlam worthy.

PTP/New Day/Dudleys/Lucha Dragons/Los Matadores TLC clusterfuck match. I'll pay for that.

^

Should happen.

Sting, The Dudleys, John Cena and Ryback as the champions would just be a crazy encapsulation of every era in modern wrestling all at once. A picture should be tweeted if that happens.

<font color=goldenrod>Plus Fandango as the holder of the newly reinstated European Championship.</font>

We can do better than European title for Fandango.

Million Dollar Title.

My problem with the clusterfucks is that no one gives a shit about Los Matadores or Lucha Dragons right now. And that's sad. The New Day really should have beaten two jobbers on RAW or something. Would have emphasized The Dudleys returning as being huge stars. Also, a lowly match for The New Day would have been great to build their heat as punk heels that suck up to The Authority.

Lucha Dragons should have beaten The Ascension on Superstars, and then they should move onto a program with Diego y Fernando on SmackDown. You know, to actually build tag teams to challenge for the Titles down the track? Dragons win the first match, and the following week, Diego y Fernando do a quirky interview segment where they put the Dragons over, but claim it was a fluke and that they know they can beat Sin Cara y Kalisto. Second match, they lose to the Dragons again. Third times the charm right? Matadores win that match when they use the tights or something, and initiate a proper heel turn.

Going from that, The Lucha Dragons can work with Los Matadores in singles matches. Sin Cara and Fernando were actually a tag team in FCW, so I bet they have good chemistry. Have Fernando win that match, because Sin Cara is lower priority than Kalisto -- who does manage to beat Diego.

This all builds to Masks vs. Masks, which The Dragons win, forcing Diego y Fernando to reveal themselves as Epico & Primo Colon -- former WWE Tag Team Champions. The Colons then attack Lucha Dragons in a rage, coming out of their masked personas with a new vengeance, and start cutting promos about how they were The Crown Princes of Puerto Rico but get no respect in the WWE.

That thing could go on for months and make for some fun lower-card programming that could actually get everyone over.

I think The Prime Time Players get their rematch on RAW or SmackDown sometime, and get put through tables to send a message to The Dudley Boyz. No need to book too many teams for Night of Champions -- it'll dilute the match and things may not get into a proper rhythm. The Dudleys can be the face challengers; The New Day the heel champions. Simple. The Prime Time Players make their return at the PPV, take out Xavier Woods, and The Dudleys 3D their way to a tenth WWE Tag Team Title.

On RAW, The Dudleys claim that they don't need help to win championships, and actually take issue with Darren Young & Titus O'Neil sticking their noses in their business. Young & O'Neil mouth off a little bit and stand up for themselves, and you include them in the title picture with some build.

<font color=goldenrod>Stowman's call-up really is an odd one the more I think about it. Unless I missed something he's never wrestled a match at Full Sail. Only has done NXT house shows and the like. Given WWE's emphasis on building NXT as a true developmental system with the same ring size, camera set up, etc. that they'll see on Raw it seems kinda hypocritical to call somebody up with very little experience.

Pretty clear it just came down to the fact that he looks the part with the size and beard. I'm sure Rowan would have gotten the spot if he were healthy.</font>

Still maintain that Jimmy Uso turning heel would have been more of a moment. The black sheep thing could have even worked for him. He's sick of being on the sidelines and waiting, whilst his brother sits at home hurt, and his other family member steals the spotlight. "Anyone but you, Roman..."

Jey Uso could have gone on Twitter -- "I don't know anything about this. Bro, what's going on?" Naomi could have supported her husband "We're doing what we have to do to get noticed around here".

Jey Uso could have come back fighting for his brother's soul. Bray could have ordered Jimmy to destroy him. Maybe Jimmy does and you trial a feud, ending with Jey winning and getting Jimmy back. Or if the heel shtick is working, you can keep Jimmy bad and have Jey continue as being a good guy on his own and see if he gets anywhere. You can always bring them back together later.

Expect a Lock Jaw rep for that USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO storyline.

Here's the thing with Stowman...

I had this thought when I had the idea for a female Brock Lesnar-type to come in and be the fucking unbeatable beast that brings all other divas up. If she goes through NXT and does the typical run... she's human. Since NXT is no longer a "hidden" development brand, everything is pretty much part of the whole system. It's tougher to have someone just be competitive there and then come to the main roster and be UNSTOPPABLE.

I feel the same way about Stowman. If they have confidence in him, this is for the best. With FCW, you could let him go through the motions and then bring him to the main roster fresh. That's not an option with NXT now. If they had confidence in him, this was the way to do it. Especially since he's got a backstory related to sister Abigail. Now he seems legitimately like some rogue guy that Bray just introduced us to and not some guy who was from Bray's past who "Had to work his way through the ranks to get here" for some weird reason.

I like the new Wyatt being someone new that hasn't even competed on NXT. It breaks the mold of everyone needs to go through NXT. I believe this was the best way to go instead of bringing in Leo Kruger, Rowan, Uso, or someone else repackaged.

Not only that but if he doesn't work out as planned, throw him back to NXT, try to fix what didn't work, then bring him back repackaged and you're pretty much in the same spot you would have been anyway.

If he DOES work out, you accomplished something that an NXT run would have ruined from the get-go. Like I said, he's got a background at the moment that doesn't fit with the "worked his way up through the rasslin' ranks" story.

This Stowman thing could go either way. I know this seems like a ridiculous comparison, but I immediately though of Zeus when they did that angle yesterday. Stand there, no sell, do little. He hit a cool move which is more than Zeus did, but still. Cool we have a monster, could get over, but less is more with this dude. Hope they remember that.

I just don't think he looked scary enough. He's legitimately strong, but he just doesn't scream "intense" enough yet.

But you're right -- you can't have this guy taking arm drags in the second match, as Jim Cornette would put it.

Jim Cornette knows his shit.

Watching the hulu replay, out comes Heyman and Lesnar, and fuck me Byron Saxton sucks so much balls. I was mentioning in another thread how scripted and generally force fed Michael Cole sounds, but Saxton is miles worse. Why is he on the show?

Hope Stowman is booked as this monster of the Wyatt's and eventually could have Bray be the one to actually stop him. Could be Brays face turn if Stowman can get over enough with the Wyatt family and persuaded Harper to join him and leave Bray. Then have Rowan return to team with face Wyatt.

What if they had Sting all in bronze so when they lifted the fabric up you'd still think it was the statue until you see his face and he started moving.

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That sounds awesome actually. It'd be the next step after he showed up on the tron and JBL claimed it was only a photo.

The Bronze Stinger, sounds like Surfer Sting got a spay on tan.

Stone Cold should have been in the box. Middle fingers, stunner, BBQ Sauce.

He stopped Vince, he can stop Vince's successors.

Then show Vince in the back eating some cake and his mouth just drops open in shock as he sees this on the screen and Raw comes to a close.

Woulda been a cool thing to do on Vince's birthday.

So I'm watching the Cena/Stewart segment, which is gold by the way, and yeah, Cena comes off as a complete bullyagainst Stewart. The explanation given was genuine, the apology and acceptance of wrong doing was genuine, and while it's a inherited risk by putting your hands on an athlete, Stewart was clearly remorseful in a way not comparable to a manager like Bobby Heenan, Jimmy Hart, etc

Cena heel turn confirmed.

Are you fucking retarded? Jesus it took some balls for you to call me a bad poster especially when you present an idea not only stupid, but that makes no fucking sense from a storyline aspect. It's almost like you don't pay attention to things then type out horrendous ideas, then insult people cause they think your stupid idea was stupid. And this is a king shit level of a stupid idea.

Lol if only. People would cheer him. Feel the only way heel Cena would ever work is to have him be a complete corporate sell out who shills his own merch, and turns the hustle, loyalty and respect gimmick into a parody of his current self.

Btw, #LoveSteph'sBreastsThisEvening

Yea I have a feeling they had to do a lot of last minute editing to RAWs script because of how bad Undertaker looked when he was leaving the ring at SS. If I recall, wasn't he supposed to be at RAW? I dunno, but I think he will be taking a hiatus for a while now.

you finally say one quality redeemable thing, you just went up a level in my book, you are now at level 1

So is it Braun Stowman or Braun Strowman? Cuz WWE added an 'R' in their media.

So, JBL said the Dudleys have won 24 world tag team championships between them, 9 of which were the WWE Tag Team Championship. I'm looking at their Wikipedia page, but it's just not adding up.

WWE - 9
WCW - 1
ECW - 8
IWGP - 2
NWA - 1
TNA - 2

That's only 23. They've won two other random tag team championships in smaller promotions, but those definitely aren't world tag team championships.

Did one of them win a tag championship with someone else?

He was a Rose Bud, nearly every week.

Per WWE, there is a R in StRowman.

he is probably counting their reign they are about to get when they win the titles asap. dont think about it too much

<font color=goldenrod>The more I think about it...shouldn't all of the Wyatt Family members have Wyatt as their surname? I know when Bryan joined for a brief period of time Bray kept referring to him as "Daniel Wyatt"

Bray Wyatt
Luke Wyatt
Braun Wyatt
Erick Wyatt
Baron Wyatt :shifty:

Dunno...just feel like it makes them seem like a true group of evil backwoods hillbillies if they all took Bray's name. It doesn't have to be played off like they're actually related, they're just so brainwashed by Bray that they think they are. Once somebody "leaves the family" is when they take on their "real" name.</font>

Nah. I think WWE are recognizing one of the 2 minor promotion runs they had, probably due to whichever it was (<SUP>2</SUP>CW or Hustle) being affiliated in some way with TNA at the time they won whichever belts. That's about the only explanation that makes sense in my mind.

Make that thread calling out that majority of posters who think Bret Hart's matches suck, Corky. Angry words to make yourself feel superior won't redeem you. Only that will.

Hey cool, 2CW is a promotion up here. Good from them on landing the dudleys for a short time.

I'm not really a big fan of that, as I feel they should be family symbolically.

<font color=goldenrod>Well, the idea would be that they're not truly related but all of the members are so brainwashed that they accept the Wyatt name. I think that's what they were going with when they had Daniel Wyatt, at least.

Then again it's probably because I was playing GTA5 earlier and just found it funny when you went to go kill all of the O'Neill brothers: Elwood, Ernie, Earl, Walton, Wynn, Dale, Doyle, Daryl, Dan</font>

Dean Ambrose, Eric Bischoff, and Chris Benoit.

I watched the Hulu version of this yesterday. First Raw I've watched in six months. Pretty entertaining. I enjoyed the Dudleys/Sting surprises and the Cena/Stewart/Flair segment (even though I'm with the Cena-was-a-dick crowd, it was still a fun bit of television). Pretty telling that they cut out all the "Divas Revolution" stuff but included the 8-man tag and seemingly every video package from the show.

I get what you're saying, but it just doesn't work for me. I didn't like the "Daniel Wyatt" stuff either. Luke Harper, Erick Rowan, Daniel Bryan -- just let them keep their own names. The only way I'd like to see it is if someone got a complete overhaul to get remade in Bray Wyatt's image. But that's just my opinion.

Still cannot believe you typed out an idea this fucking stupid. Shit for brains hillbilly

Don't really think The Undertaker joining Ambrose & Reigns against The Wyatts is that stupid... I had a Lesnar, Undertaker & Reigns vs. Wyatt, Harper & Ambrose program mapped out in my mind that would have culminated at Hell in a Cell.

I don't know, Noid. If Taker is feeling up to putting in some more dates and they don't wanna push this weird quasi-heel turn he's flirting with, it could still work. Reigns and Ambrose look at him as the one guy who could even up the sides against the three of them. Taker says "no" because "fuck the Shield" but eventually Wyatt makes the wrong comment about how even Taker is afraid of Stowman and that's enough to get him to fight.

Taker could be the man to finally take down Strowman as he discovers his weakness is also getting hit in the nuts.

Only took him about a quarter of a decade to discover kicking people in the nuts is more effective than most things.

Why not just bring back the lethal lottery for survivor series have the shockmaster join the shield with taker and have paul roma reform the four horsemen with himself as leader. All #1wwffag concepts

Is there some type of requirement that to be in the wyatt family you need to have a thinning hairline and a beard? Harper has a bald spot and is thinning at the front, Bray is thinning noticeably, and that new guy looks to have thinning hair. :wtf:

The beard thing is definitely a must. Dunno about the thinning hairline, though...I don't think DB had a thinning hairline while he was with them as "Daniel Wyatt".

There are rumours again of bringing in someone to play Sister Abigail.... but it will be tough to find a bearded lady who also has thinning hair....

I don't think we need a "real" Sister Abigail. I was listening to Kevin Sullivan talk recently, and he used to reference this person (forgotten the name). Sullivan never wanted to bring in anybody to play the role, because in your head you've already formed a picture.

The ONLY person I could have seen pulling it off was Abigail J. Lee. And she may not have been the real one, and more someone just playing the role for Bray at that point in time.

Leva Bates would have a lot of fun with the role, I bet. Maybe Alexa Bliss beats the shit out of her, we never see her again, and "Sister Abigail" ends up on the main roster?

I had an idea after Bray interrupted that Ambrose-Rollins HIAC match with the "Sister Abigail hologram" where we would get a real sister Abigail (Though it would have involved Punk coming back... which I feel like the promise of halfway decent writing would have done). Bray would explain why he targeted Ambrose with "She ran off to be with you." I imagined it would have been a Romeo and Juliet situation where both families were against it but they ran off together anyway. After the relationship went south, Ambrose went crazy and found his new family in The Shield before losing them and becoming the "lunatic fringe" again. Abigail is still lost. Bray is out for revenge.

After Bray wins that feud, CM Punk comes out and tells Bray to forget about Abigail. "Plastic surgery should have been enough but you're still looking..."

That's when the reveal happens and we get Abigail James Lee at ringside for a WrestleMania match between Bray Wyatt and Sister Abigail's new husband, CM Punk so that she can settle it all and live her new life in peace.

Chyna? :shifty:

Shared these thoughts earlier in Casual wrestlung thread, but for those who don't peruse Casual much/at all, here it is:

For fucks sake just stop having ideas. And if you are going to type them.out please wait to do your drugs after you post your fantasy booking material. Fucking crackhead.

So basically you are crying over a girl match. Emo bitch

Not sure if I'd go with that myself, as I liked the idea of Bray Wyatt targeting Dean Ambrose due to The Authority pointing Wyatt in that direction. I never got around to really giving much thought as to who would be pulling whose strings; but I imagine it eventually would have come out that Triple H always had The Wyatt Family as his true heel team, eventually leading to Bray becoming too dangerous to handle anymore.

I would have put Ambrose over in that Hell in a Cell match against Rollins though. They tried to explain away the loss, but I think the fans needed to have their faith in Ambrose rewarded with a big PPV win in the main event there. Ambrose would win cleanly, thus getting a measure of revenge against Rollins (explaining why he becomes so easily distracted by Wyatt moving forward), but as Ambrose is celebrating you'd cut the feed to a final message from Bray Wyatt, hinting that he'd be returning on RAW. There's your hook to tune in; plus it's something different for a PPV. It makes Wyatt seem like a big deal (as he gets to technically close out the show), plus you have your youngest main event in years.

Nah, not really was only a couple of seconds. But, hey, I'm secure enough in myself to be myself and let my emotions show because I'm not afraid to be me. #That'sHowIRoll :y:

P.S. - Please learn how to B.A. Star.

You should keep some things to yourself

you should heed your own advice

You crying too?

I DON'T GET CRY

I STAY CRY

LOL, Awesome. This place definitely needs to vote you King again before you end up "retired". :D:lol:

Nah, that's not me. I, like a few others here tend to be an open book. Life's too short for any of us not to be, IMHO.

Thank you for filling me in on your homo opinion. I thought I would drop a tear for randy when he passed. But didnt happen. Maybe I will when we lose bobby the brain

Inator thanks for the green dot, it was for nothing though,now fan is upset that I called you a homo. Its ok for him to be a pedo into young boys but apparently he feels strongly about me calling you a homosexual.go figure

I got your back, DAMN iNATOR. 28 days. Gonna clear this place of all this disgusting homophobia, racism and sexism in one punch.

What happens on that day?

Pain

Are you gonna finish the match with your signature move, FANFARE?

Out of nowhere.

Don't forget your top rope finish, the CEILING FAN. Be a nice false finish spot.

No sell

I hope Michael Cole calls it a "VINTAGE!" move.

FOR THE WIN!

DIDHEGETHIMHEGOTHI--NO! KICKOUT AT 2!