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No, about 250 bucks for a 360 arcade and the game. Throw in an extra 20 if you want a hard drive with their new deal.
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Time to step up to the big time Porksoda.
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Rumor: A demo will be available on XBL tomorrow
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A demo was already confirmed in the OXM, with the game coming out in a couple of weeks I wouldn't be surprised to see it this week. |
Would love to see the demo today, but I don't see it happening.
Last year a date 'leaked' for the demo, and it didn't come out till about 3 or 4 days later. |
So, not to be an ass or anything, but since my browser won't load Youtube or similar links right now, let me just ask. How's the grappling engine look? Do they include those wrestling "classes" or whatever (Speed, Showman, Triple H)? Are the basics the same, or have they improved them?
I had no interest in SVR08, but I really want a new wrestling game, and TNA isn't even an option. |
From what I remember seeing, they've overhauled the Styles system - reading up, looks like the abilities they gave you will still be in the game, but rather than each wrestler having 2, they get up to 6 out of a pool of 20 overall abilities. Which sounds much better than the forced pigeonholing they had with the old system.
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Just watched that tag team video.
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Porksoda: Yeah the commentary is tons better. Thank god they're actually calling moves now instead of just jabbering about the superstars and constantly repeating.
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A gaming mag in the UK gave the PS3 and 360 versions of Smackdown vs. Raw 2009 an 88% out of 100.
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Who do you think the superstars are today? guess's?
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Europeans are socialist. Thy country owns the game.
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<font color=goldenrod>Bitchtits</font>
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Never challenge John Bradshaw Layfield to a street fight—especially on Wall Street, or when he's offering valuable investment pointers to help bulk up your portfolio. Our fans watching JBL every week on WWE programming think he's more "bull" than "bull market," but consider the following: He didn't clothesline his way to a senior vice-president position at a major investment bank. Analysts respect his appearances on Fox News Channel, CNN, CNNfn, MSNBC, CNBC, and C-SPAN as a financial advisor, not a "wrestling god." He didn't need a degree in Finance to line people's pockets with cash, or provide common-sense management tips in his bestselling book Have More Money Now. And "The John Bradshaw Layfield Show," a weekly radio program in which he champions his views on politics, sports, and entertainment, is now syndicated in more than 150 radio stations across America. Face it: JBL is saying something the people want to hear. Not bad for a banker's son from Sweetwater, a Texas town that JBL claims is renown for its annual "Rattlesnake Roundup." (He still laughs at the time the Humane Society picketed the event—"We weren't cruel to the snakes. We just caught 'em and killed 'em.") Snakeskin, however, is no match for pigskin in Sweetwater; football is the town's prime pastime, and the sport that fueled two of JBL's three teenage aspirations ("playing football at Abilene Christian University, going pro, and becoming rich"). He'd earn impressive All-American honors as an offensive tackle at Abilene, though lingering knee problems would limit his second dream to less than a year with the NFL's then-Los Angeles Raiders, and two seasons as part of the World League's San Antonio Riders. JBL was down to a 1980 Chevrolet step-side pickup truck and $27 in his bank account when he invested his energies toward a career in wrestling—and not opponents like the eight-foot, 800-pound brown bear he faced at a local cowboy bar on a college dare. More important, he realized that he needed to wrest control of his financial future; as he states in his book, "I decided that being poor ain't fun, and staying that way is stupid." Getting physical in the ring has netted JBL a career wealth of championships, while his "fiscal" approach to the stock market has made him a very bankable resource in shareholders' eyes. Perhaps the one drawback from his economic success is that it affords him the luxury of saying whatever's on his mind—mainly because he can put his money where his mouth is. And since his return to in-ring competition in early 2008, JBL has also put his boot where his opponents' mouths are.Source: WWE.com Abilities Dirty Pin K.O. Lock Pick Referee Shield Hammer Throw Durability Signature Moves Last Call Neckbreaker 9 Finishers JBL Powerbomb(Smoke Bomb) Clothesline From Hell <embed src='http://videomedia.ign.com/ev/ev.swf' flashvars='object_ID=14242649&downloadURL=http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/article/921/921643/svr_jbl_102008_flvlowwide.flv&allownetworking="all%"' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='433' height='360'></embed> John Bradshaw Layfield credit - Greg Miller, ps3.ign.com |
Wrong vid, bro.
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It was the right one when I copied it, guess I have to change it now.
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For all you people with a Gamestop store, the demo has been released for PS3.
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Is it a code to download a demo, or have they actually pressed a blu ray for it?
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Any word on a 360 demo?
On a side note- I'm posting in public, at burger king. I should have gone to subway. Now I'm sad. |
I've got BOGOF vouchers for Subway today, I may use one tomorrow.
Also, no word on the 360 demo yet. I'm keeping it comes this week. As my Spiderman game comes on Friday morning, and that will probably consume all of the two weeks until SVR comes out. |
There is no word on a 360 demo, I think the demo will be on PSN/XBL either Thursday or next week. I hope it's this week since I'm anxious to try it.
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Here is DX and The Hardys Tag Team finishers from the demo from Youtube
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I got my xbox online just to download that damn demo that isn't even out yet.
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The demo is only available for the PS3 and at Gamestop right now, we have wait another few couple days to a week for it on Xbox live and PSN.
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<font color=goldenrod>MIZ AND MORRISON!</font> :love:
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What??? The Hart attack???
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If you ask self-proclaimed chick magnet The Miz, all the ladies want him and all the guys want to be him. And, quite frankly, it's hard to argue otherwise. A devoted WWE fan his whole life, Mike "The Miz" Mizanin competed on the fourth season of "Tough Enough" in hopes of winning a contract to become a WWE Superstar. After finishing as the runner up, The Miz didn't give up on his dream and continued to train once the "Tough Enough" competition ended. Now, his hard work is being rewarded as the reality TV alum with the frat boy looks, sophomoric humor and explosive intensity is living out his dream as a Superstar on ECW. The Miz was first introduced to TV audiences as one of the seven strangers on "The Real World: Back to New York," the 10th season of MTV's popular and groundbreaking reality show. Since then, The Miz has certainly made his rounds on the reality TV circuit. He's been on four seasons of the "Real World/Road Rules Challenge," "The Inferno," "The Gauntlet," "Battle of the Network Reality Stars," and recently as a competitor on a special edition of "Fear Factor." Alongside John Morrison, The Miz won the WWE Tag Team Championship, defeating Montel Vontavious Porter & Matt Hardy on SmackDown. Since, the duo has dominated WWE's tag team division. Source: WWE.com Abilities Dirty Pin Referee Shield Steal Taunt Object Possum Pin Signature Moves Super Kick Running Calf Kick Finishers Reality Check Mizard of Oz http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...1002804733.jpg John Morrison endured a personal evolution of sorts after capturing the vacated ECW Championship at Vengeance: Night of Champions. The Tuesday Night Delight, formerly known as Johnny Nitro, officially renamed himself John Morrison, his given birth name, on the historic July 17, 2007, edition of ECW. Morrison had reached the peak of his fame with the ECW Championship and he believed he could "be himself" from that point, forward. Shortly thereafter, Morrison found unexpected success alongside another brazen, rising star in the Land of the Extreme, The Miz. The unlikely tandem secured the WWE Tag Team Championship on SmackDown territory following the unique talent exchange arrangement between SmackDown and ECW managing officials. The Shaman of Sexy's vanity reached new heights, much like his sports-entertainment career. And Morrison has good reason to be confident. He has never been too far away from gold since his debut in 2005, capturing tag team gold as well as the Intercontinental Championship. The Shaman of Sexy was ultimately drafted to ECW during the 2007 Supplemental Draft on WWE.com, and his career was given new life. As the world can now see, Morrison has taken full advantage of his extreme home, and ECW may never be the same. Alongside, the Miz, John Morrison won the WWE Tag Team Championship, defeating Montel Vontavious Porter & Matt Hardy on SmackDown. Since, the duo has dominated WWE's tag team division. Source: WWE.com Abilities Dirty Pin Referee Shield Object Outside Dives Springboard Signature Moves Dropsault 2 Mule Kick 1 Finishers Moonlight Drive Corkscrew Body Pin <embed src='http://videomedia.ign.com/ev/ev.swf' flashvars='object_ID=14242649&downloadURL=http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/article/922/922195/svr_miz_102108_flvlowwide.flv&allownetworking="all%"' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='433' height='360'></embed> The Miz and John Morrison credit - Greg Miller, ps3.ign.com |
<font color=goldenrod>Oh gay, tag entrance :( Gotta wait until release to see if Morrison's slow mo is in</font>
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Good news Vito, it's already been said in an interview with THQ that Morrison does have his slow motion entrance.
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Weak entrance, but ssssick tag finisher.
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I'm definitely going to change it so Miz and Morrison enter separately, I hate generic tag team entrances.
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John Morrisons Abs have been disrespected, it says "The Miz" above his picture
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So does John Morrison grate cheese with his abs in this game?
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No, he grates titanium.
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The Miz looks terrible.
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<font color=goldenrod>BISCUITS AND GRAVY!</font>
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When it comes to Jesse & Festus, looks may be deceiving; however, WWE Superstars might be wise not to mess with these country boys. Jesse, along with his partner and big buddy Festus, has finally made his way to SmackDown. In the weeks leading up to their debut, the pair introduced themselves by giving their opinions on a variety of subjects – from fame to fashion to WWE Magazine. Actually, it was Jesse giving their opinions, as Festus stared off in the distance with a blank look. But don't let Jesse's country-bumpkin airs or Festus' looks fool you. As Michael Cole noted the night of their debut, Jesse has quite the amateur athletic background. And just as Jesse promised our fans about his big buddy, Festus is all business once the bell rings. Both men showed off those traits during their in-ring debut on the Oct. 5 Friday Night SmackDown, leading to their first WWE victory. Together, Jesse & Festus would love nothing more than to make a major impact inside a WWE ring. With Jesse's amateur ability and Festus' sheer power, there's no telling what these two country boys can do. Source: WWE.com Abilities Fan Favorite Outside Dives Possum Pin Signature Moves Monkey Flip Sunset Flip Pin 1 Finishers Steam Roller Diving Leg Drop 1 http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...2010249787.jpg When it comes to Jesse & Festus, looks may be deceiving; however, WWE Superstars might be wise not to mess with these country boys. Festus, along with his partner and good buddy Jesse, has finally made his way to SmackDown. In the weeks leading up to their debut, the pair introduced themselves by giving their opinions on a variety of subjects – from fame to fashion to WWE Magazine. Actually, it was Jesse giving their opinions, as Festus stared off in the distance with a blank look. But don't let that look fool you, because that…that is the face of a man who looks like a wrecking machine inside the squared circle. Jesse promised our fans that from bell to bell, Festus is all business – and the big man delivers on that promise. When they made their in-ring debut on the Oct. 5 Friday Night SmackDown, Festus literally transformed into a new man the moment the bell rang; once it rang again to signify the end of their debut victory, however, the placid, vacant look returned to his big, burly country mug. Inside the ring, Festus' transformation is bad news for his opponents, and one can only wonder what the situation would be like if encountering the country boy in an elevator. Together, Jesse & Festus would love nothing more than to make a major impact inside a WWE ring. With Jesse's amateur ability and Festus' sheer power, there's no telling what these two country boys can do. Source: WWE.com Abilities K.O. Lock Pick Hammer Throw Bloodshed Signature Moves Neck Hanging Chokeslam Chokeslam 2 Finishers Flapjack 2 Gutbuster 5 <embed src='http://videomedia.ign.com/ev/ev.swf' flashvars='object_ID=14242649&downloadURL=http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/article/922/922206/svr_jesse_102208_flvlowwide.flv&allownetworking="all%"' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='433' height='360'></embed> Jesse & Festus credit - Greg Miller, ps3.ign.com |
YES, their entrance = WIN
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Biscuts and fucking Gravy!!! :love:
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Hopefully if you use the Cornfed Colossus it shows him when the bell rings "Hulking out".
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The demo is evidently out in the UK on the PSN (Playstation Network).
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Come on XBL :mad:
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I guess it's up in the UK on X-Box Live as well, lucky fuckers.
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No, nothing on XBL UK yet...
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Posted by Greg Miller on IGN board
Hey-- Two things: 1) Today, you're getting two Countdown profiles. They're not a tag team. Be on the look out for both. 2) The THQ crew is in Japan, so they can't do a THQ&A tomorrow. So, I'll do a Friday Fight in addition to the two Insider matches. However, I don't feel like putting up polls. Reply to this post with the match you want to see. When I'm ready to capture, I'll browse the first two pages of responses and choose the bout I want to play. Peace. Greg |
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People are saying that XBL UK may not have the demo, though PSN UK does and also says the DLC is superstars and costumes, though I'll believe that when I see it(what DLC is as you all know I'm not in UK).
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She's bubbly, she's beautiful and she's an object of desire for many men. She's Maria, and she's darn proud to call herself a WWE Diva. While many may think she's ditzy or absent-minded, there's one thing that's well-known: she's hot. But hey, she wouldn't have it any other way. Maria has won many beauty pageants in her time, but she's not just all beauty. From kickboxing to sewing to dancing to working on cars, Maria's areas of expertise make her one of the best-rounded Divas in WWE. After years of entering beauty pageants and an education at Northern Illinois University, the Ottawa, Ill., native struck it big by nearly making it to the end of the 2004 Diva Search. While she didn't win, our fans felt an immediate connection to her, and she quickly made her way to Raw as a backstage interviewer who wasn't afraid to ask any question, from the hard-hitting to the quirkily obvious. And of course, she looks great doing it, perhaps no more so than when Eugene doused her with chocolate milk after winning the World Tag Team Championship that year. Since her debut in WWE, however, Maria's role has expanded by leaps and bounds. At first, she was tentative to step into the ring, but to this day she continues to learn the ropes and develop into an exciting and skilled performer. She also can be seen (or read, as it may be) lending her auto expertise to our fans in her very own WWE Magazine column every month. Another magazine our fans might be interested in perusing is the April 2008 issue of Playboy, in which Maria showed our fans what's under her hood, namely a racy chassis and va-va-voom curves. If there's one other thing for sure about Maria, though, it's that while she radiates beauty, the girl her friends call "Boop" won't stop honing her craft until she wears the Women's gold around her waist. So watch out all you stars and studs in the locker room, because you never know when you're going to get your dose of Maria. Source: WWE.com Abilities Referee Shield Steal Taunt Possum Pin Signature Moves DDT 17 Woman's Slap 4 Finishers Running Bulldog Corner Bulldog <embed src='http://videomedia.ign.com/ev/ev.swf' flashvars='object_ID=14242649&downloadURL=http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/article/922/922215/svr_maria_102308_flvlowwide.flv&allownetworking="all%"' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='433' height='360'></embed> Maria Kanellis http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...3024002622.jpg Our fans first saw Michelle McCool during 2004's Diva Search. Seeing a mix of beauty and love for WWE, she was brought to SmackDown. But there's so much more behind the beautiful face; there is strength, determination and inspiration. Before coming to SmackDown, Michelle was a teacher in Florida — but her love for the business started well before that. Both her pappap (grandfather) and dad loved WWE, and brought Michelle along to a live event when she was 6. A little of the "American Dream" Dusty Rhodes later, she was hooked. With her motto "Faith to fight the good fight, heart to believe and soul to search within," McCool continues to inspire our fans with her words and strength. Source: WWE.com Abilities Evasive Dodge Fan Favorite Possum Pin Signature Moves Big Boot 2 Spear 6 Finishers Facebuster 2 Chick Kick <embed src='http://videomedia.ign.com/ev/ev.swf' flashvars='object_ID=14242649&downloadURL=http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/article/922/922215/svr_michelle_102308_flvlowwide.flv&allownetworking="all%"' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='433' height='360'></embed> Michelle McCool credit - Greg Miller, ps3.ign.com |
<font color=goldenrod>hahaha I knew it was gonna be two divas when he said it wasn't a tag team</font>
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I'd have to say I thought so to Vito, first time I ever got a countdown right.
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<font color=goldenrod>A couple of people on GFaqs are saying that in one of the movies where the roster was scrolled through while showing off a mode...in addition to the ???s that we already know about...apparently the other two ???s were back to back and between Curt Hawkins and Edge.
So, Deuce and Domino would have to be those spots if that were the case. Either that...or Demolition Ax/Demolition Smash :shifty: I haven't seen it mentioned on IGN or anything though nor have I seen the video in question so it's likely bullshit.</font> |
I could be bullshit but we'll find out in 2 weeks anyway.
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That looks NOTHING like Maria.
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I got a huge cock tease from a guy at gamestop today. I went to preorder my copy, and he said he had a used one. He was sure it wasn't 08, but it turned out to be '08 anyways. I wanted to throat stab him.
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The dude didn't look like he played video games. In fact I think that game stop only has one or two gamers on staff. I was kinda hoping that some ididot let the game out early. |
Been playing the ps3 demo, seems to load up pretty quick, no load screens between individual entrances which is nice. Game seems a bit more fluid this time around, noticed a few new animations, new camera angles when you're fighting outside the ring, its like the camera guy is crouched down beside the barrier. If you're outside the ring to around the 7-8 count the referee starts telling you to get back in the ring and dishes out warnings.
One odd thing i noticed was triple h was announced as wwe champion but didn't have the belt on. Swanton looks good, the twist of fate is pretty weird, in game hes doing it the way he was for a little while with them landing back down instead of face down. Havn't been able to do whisper in the wind yet. |
About the load times, you playing off of the Blu-Ray demo, or the PSN demo? There shoudn't really be many load times if it's coming off the HD.
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So which wrestlers are on the demo?
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DX and the Hardyz
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True, I don't think 08 did though did it? Then again, I don't think many PS3 games were when that came out.
Only 3 weeks until 360 owners have the HD install option. Not for me though thanks. |
Not sure if 08 did or not, i know most ps3 games had it, even motorstrom aand that was one of the first. Think some ported games might not have had the option.
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Just played the demo and certainly enjoyed it more then I did 08's finished product. The matches do seem to flow a lot nicer then previous attempts. Definately looking forward to it now though, wondering if I should get it on the 360 or the PS3 though.
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The THQ guys are saying that the PS3 is at the same level as the 360 one now. i can't remember if they said the PS3 has custom themes or not. If it does, it will probably boil down to whichever controller you prefer more.
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PS3 does have custom themes, but not a custom soundtrack. 360 has both.
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For whatever reason parts of the wrestlers entrances are still missing, the titantrons are obviously there but the large screen under that just displays the raw logo all the time. On wwe programming for instance michaels entrance that screen shows people with their hands in the air, more or less the same thing with them always missing the minitrons on the 2 side walls and the video screen at the entrance way in earlier games.
Then theres the screen thats above the titantron that says "save me" when jericho enters, near sure that has some form of video that plays as well but in the game (if its there) i think it just says raw or smackdown or whatever. Never really sure why that happens, im assuming disc space on the 360 might be an issue but i really cant see a wrestling game taking up the full 8.5 gigs. |
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Simply put, Jeff Hardy is an artist. His world revolves around writing "emoetry," recording music ("alternative, alternative music," according to his brother Matt), and employing tinfoil and paint to craft intimate, personal, and sometimes bizarre works of art. His house is decorated with toys, artificial plants and life-size Japanese fiberglass sculptures. One of his most cherished creations—a thirty-foot "Aluminummy" statue called Neroameee, from Nero, his middle name—stands tall outside his studio. Still, this artist has always been drawn to another, very different canvas—that of the squared circle. Growing up with Matt in the pinewoods of Cameron, North Carolina, 11-year-old Jeff—influenced by the likes of Ric Flair, the Fabulous Freebirds, and the Rockers—took a ramp he built for his bike and painted it to resemble an entrance stage for his "wrestling ring," the backyard trampoline. As he grew older, so did his desire to take greater risks, whether it was to feel the rush of executing hundred-foot-high triples on his motorcross bike, or jumping off the roof of his house as a member of the brothers' "Teenage Wrestling Federation." It was such fearlessness and desire that would bring the 16-year-old daredevil to World Wrestling Entertainment, and after several years catapult him to worldwide fame and main-event status, first as one-half of WWE's high-flying "Team Extreme," The Hardys, then in singles competition. Though many of his paintings are abstract, this free spirit is a Rembrandt inside the ring, signing his name not with the traditional paintbrush or pen, but with wildly unorthodox, high-impact maneuvers off top ropes and 20-foot ladders. His credo is simple: to create, then surpass his creation. Unfortunately, most true artists must sink to their lowest point before attaining their greatest heights. For Jeff, the wear-and-tear of living life on the road would help prompt him to leave WWE in 2003. But after a three-year personal journey of refocusing his passion and energies, he now finds himself "in a positive place…and that's what motivates me." Since returning to WWE in August 2006, this reinspired risk-taker has gone back to creating the art he loves most—entertaining WWE fans in arenas around the world. And his most extreme masterpiece awaits. Source: WWE.com Abilities Table Match Resiliency Fan Favorite Ladder Match Outside Dives Springboard Signature Moves Whisper in the Wind Turnbuckle Dropkick 3 Finishers Swanton Bomb 1 Extreme Twist of Fate http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/ar...1224869060.jpg In the ring, Matt Hardy lives his motto: "I will not die." Time and time again he has sacrificed his body for both the enjoyment of the fans, and the sport which he has loved so dearly for his entire life. Matt came to the WWE in 1998 as a tag team specialist, teaming up with his brother Jeff to form the appropriately named The Hardys. While severely undersized, The Hardy's outstanding chemistry and unmatched heart carried them to stardom. The Hardys went on to become five-time World Tag Team Champions in WWE before breaking up in 2002. In 2003, shortly after joining the SmackDown roster, Matt Hardy pursued the Cruiserweight Championship. After struggling for weeks to make the weight limit, Hardy defeated Kidman for the Championship at No Way Out '03. After he won the title, Hardy endured an up and down rivalry with Rey Mysterio. Hardy got the best of Rey Mysterio in a controversial Championship match at WrestleMania 19. A month later however, Mysterio got his revenge, defeating Hardy for the Cruiserweight Championship on SmackDown. Source: WWE.com Abilities Table Match Durability Fan Favorite Ladder Match Cage Match Outside Dives Signature Moves Side Effect 1 Diving Leg Drop 2 Finishers Twist of Fate 1 Twist of Fate 3 <embed src='http://videomedia.ign.com/ev/ev.swf' flashvars='object_ID=14242649&downloadURL=http://ps3movies.ign.com/ps3/video/article/922/922449/svr_hardys_102408_flvlowwide.flv&allownetworking="all%"' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' width='433' height='360'></embed> The Hardys credit - Greg Miller, ps3.ign.com |
IGN Cyber Sunday is up Insiders.
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Alright, can someone explain to me what the abilities are? Is that like the Dirty, Showman, Hardcore thing they had last year? Whats the explanation of each?
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