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XL 11-10-2021 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5492791)
I'm going to ask you then in the most simplistic way possible:

Say that you, personally, were the CEO of a business, and you hired exactly three employees (making the total folks working for the company four). Then, you fired two of those three employees... not for performance issues or discipinary actions or anything, but "budgetary concerns". Then, you proceeded to publicly post that your company increased its profits year on year.

You're telling me that you can't possibly see how that looks really, really bad, especially to the two people you've shown the door? You don't see how that could be interpreted as you being a greedy dickhead in any way? You can't fathom, at all, how saying "hey, we made multiple truckloads of money" right after literally telling half of your company that you don't have the money to spend to keep them, are exceptionally bad optics to pretty much everyone but you and/or any other CEO who thinks like you or any shareholders you may be trying to appease?

A profit margin and a budget is not as divorced as you seem to think it is. If you made more money, you could spend more money. Again, not saying you burn up every dime of profit you project, but you have in your power the ability to increase that budget at the expense of not making as much profit as you would have. If you made less money, or heaven forbid actually in the hole, you trim the fat. But if you could not stay profitable without letting those people go, you really aren't profitable to begin with. You're only buying time until that bubble bursts. This isn't limited to this hypothetical, or even to WWE. You'll eventually run out of folks to fire, assets to sell, and corners to cut just so that your financials look good in the end.


:sigh: Fine. We are going to have to disagree on this one by an exceptionally wide gulf.
None of this really affects WWE though. They’re a behemoth that does what it wants. People will still want to go there because it’s the top of the mountain. You might find that “indie standouts” make the jump less as they’ve seen their contemporaries get fucked around but WWE have all but said “we don’t want the indies anyway, we’ll just create from scratch”. They’ve got the industry locked up for now.

Mr. Nerfect 11-10-2021 04:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5492791)
I'm going to ask you then in the most simplistic way possible:

Say that you, personally, were the CEO of a business, and you hired exactly three employees (making the total folks working for the company four). Then, you fired two of those three employees... not for performance issues or discipinary actions or anything, but "budgetary concerns". Then, you proceeded to publicly post that your company increased its profits year on year.

You're telling me that you can't possibly see how that looks really, really bad, especially to the two people you've shown the door? You don't see how that could be interpreted as you being a greedy dickhead in any way? You can't fathom, at all, how saying "hey, we made multiple truckloads of money" right after literally telling half of your company that you don't have the money to spend to keep them, are exceptionally bad optics to pretty much everyone but you and/or any other CEO who thinks like you or any shareholders you may be trying to appease?

A profit margin and a budget is not as divorced as you seem to think it is. If you made more money, you could spend more money. Again, not saying you burn up every dime of profit you project, but you have in your power the ability to increase that budget at the expense of not making as much profit as you would have. If you made less money, or heaven forbid actually in the hole, you trim the fat. But if you could not stay profitable without letting those people go, you really aren't profitable to begin with. You're only buying time until that bubble bursts. This isn't limited to this hypothetical, or even to WWE. You'll eventually run out of folks to fire, assets to sell, and corners to cut just so that your financials look good in the end.


:sigh: Fine. We are going to have to disagree on this one by an exceptionally wide gulf.
I like you as a poster, Mr. Guycott, but your analogies make no sense to me. When did the WWE fire 2 of its 3 employees? That has to make sense as an apples to apples comparison. And, honestly, if you’ve only budgeted for 1 employee, it doesn’t make sense to have 3. I just don’t see how it is crying poor to minimize your costs. Businesses aren’t obligated to run up their expenses just because they have high revenue. And higher revenue doesn’t mean the expenses have to go up either.

Tom Guycott 11-10-2021 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5492802)
What do you mean EC3 never got called up? He had that 3 week feud with Ambrose where he was silent and got smashed.
I don't remember this at all, which is a great example of how botched that was. I only remember him being back in NXT and being really shocked he was able to still call himself EC3 instead of going back to being Derek Bateman. He was jacked, had swag, and was already well trained in the "WWE way" since he was there before, so he seemed like yet another no-brainer roster addition.

Tom Guycott 11-10-2021 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nerfect (Post 5492808)
I like you as a poster, Mr. Guycott, but your analogies make no sense to me. When did the WWE fire 2 of its 3 employees? That has to make sense as an apples to apples comparison. And, honestly, if you’ve only budgeted for 1 employee, it doesn’t make sense to have 3. I just don’t see how it is crying poor to minimize your costs. Businesses aren’t obligated to run up their expenses just because they have high revenue. And higher revenue doesn’t mean the expenses have to go up either.
Okay, so basically what you're telling me is that you're trolling. At this point you have to be, because not agreeing with me is not the same is not being able to grasp what I am getting at. So, I'll just add you to that list with Droford and keep it moving. Good morning.

Mr. Nerfect 11-10-2021 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5492820)
Okay, so basically what you're telling me is that you're trolling. At this point you have to be, because not agreeing with me is not the same is not being able to grasp what I am getting at. So, I'll just add you to that list with Droford and keep it moving. Good morning.
No, I’m not trolling. I’m genuinely confused as to why you would use an analogy of a business releasing two-thirds of its workforce to be something analogous to the WWE releasing 18 wrestlers they thought were expendable for one reason or another. They’re nowhere near the same scenario. But even so, I don’t think it makes the point that anyone is crying poor by doing so.

xrodmuc316 11-10-2021 11:52 AM
The budget cut reason doesnt have to mean WWE is strapped for cash, it just means that they have more employees than they need. If they are making a billion dollars a year, saving 5 million on wrestlers isnt really much of a difference one way or the other.

That is the issue to me, the negative press and bad optics of saving half a percent of the yearly budget is not worth it. They would be better off keeping those guys on payroll than killing the morale of the locker room.

Lock Jaw 11-10-2021 12:31 PM
*profit-oriented business acts like profit-oriented business*

Public: HOW DARE THEY!

Mr. Nerfect 11-10-2021 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5492858)
The budget cut reason doesnt have to mean WWE is strapped for cash, it just means that they have more employees than they need. If they are making a billion dollars a year, saving 5 million on wrestlers isnt really much of a difference one way or the other.

That is the issue to me, the negative press and bad optics of saving half a percent of the yearly budget is not worth it. They would be better off keeping those guys on payroll than killing the morale of the locker room.
This is a better argument, but I’d just disagree that they are truly better off. I think their stock price is what matters to them, and I think releases are not only necessary but healthy.

Keep in mind you might be cutting anti-vaxers, people with attitudes, people who want out, etc. In some cases, it opens up more spots for other talent.

Sepholio 11-10-2021 04:09 PM
Even with Toms example, if you have no work or plans for 2 of the 3 workers at your company then you should absolutely fire them. Why the hell would anyone pay for workers they aren't going to use? It's dumb and especially irresponsible when you are beholden to shareholders.

XL 11-10-2021 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Guycott (Post 5492819)
I don't remember this at all, which is a great example of how botched that was. I only remember him being back in NXT and being really shocked he was able to still call himself EC3 instead of going back to being Derek Bateman. He was jacked, had swag, and was already well trained in the "WWE way" since he was there before, so he seemed like yet another no-brainer roster addition.
On December 17, 2018, it was announced EC3 would be debuting on the main roster. During the following weeks, he was seen during backstage segments of Raw and SmackDown Live, before making his official debut on the February 4, 2019 episode of Raw, appearing on Alexa Bliss' talk show A Moment Of Bliss. During the segment, EC3 was interrupted by Dean Ambrose, leading to a match that EC3 won. The following week on Raw, they competed in a rematch, which Ambrose won with a small package. After his short feud with Ambrose, EC3 would be off Raw for the following months, and was relegated to Main Event as a jobber. At the WrestleMania 35 pre-show on April 7, EC3 competed in the André the Giant Memorial Battle Royal, but was eliminated early in the match.

Or as Noid would put it; “they gave him a big opportunity in an angle with one of the top guys on the brand”.

slik 11-10-2021 10:30 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You tweeted this from an iPhone...slow your oll on people not being valued there hot take machine</p>&mdash; Doc Bucknus (@jkranites) <a href="https://twitter.com/jkranites/status/1456665757899702276?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr. Nerfect 11-11-2021 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by XL (Post 5492936)
On December 17, 2018, it was announced EC3 would be debuting on the main roster. During the following weeks, he was seen during backstage segments of Raw and SmackDown Live, before making his official debut on the February 4, 2019 episode of Raw, appearing on Alexa Bliss' talk show A Moment Of Bliss. During the segment, EC3 was interrupted by Dean Ambrose, leading to a match that EC3 won. The following week on Raw, they competed in a rematch, which Ambrose won with a small package. After his short feud with Ambrose, EC3 would be off Raw for the following months, and was relegated to Main Event as a jobber. At the WrestleMania 35 pre-show on April 7, EC3 competed in the André the Giant Memorial Battle Royal, but was eliminated early in the match.

Or as Noid would put it; “they gave him a big opportunity in an angle with one of the top guys on the brand”.
EC3 sucks. Did he really deserve more than he got? Come on now.

drave 11-11-2021 08:40 AM
Nope. His "gimmick" where he stopped giving a fuck at the end was better.

Fignuts 11-11-2021 09:01 AM
I was never an EC3 fan, but even I think he could have been utilized better. Or ya know ...utilized at all.

Ruien 11-11-2021 05:20 PM
Kind of off topic for Seth real quick. Why are you okay with WWE releasing people in the pandemic but not ROH?

Sepholio 11-11-2021 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Ruien (Post 5493345)
Kind of off topic for Seth real quick. Why are you okay with WWE releasing people in the pandemic but not ROH?
This is stupid. Was explained in the other thread. Slik caught what I was doing immediately. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of all the people here who screech every single time WWE releases someone (especially making a point of it being during the pandemic) and then not having that same reaction when another company literally releases everyone. Was also a great example of pointing out how around here it is "damned if you do, damned if you don't" as far as Vince is concerned; if he releases people, he's a monster but if he holds on to them when he has nothing for them then he is also a monster for hoarding talent that could be better utilized elsewhere. It's the perfect encapsulation of what Noid complains about; people not being consistent and just falling into the HuR dUr WwE bAd mold. There is also a difference between releasing a few dozen out of hundreds of talents and releasing every single one, for what that's worth. Also worth pointing out we hear about WWE making so much money when they do this; Sinclair has more money yet crickets.

When I found out Sinclair actually owns ROH that kind of annoyed me. But that's because I already have a deep dislike of Sinclair in general for cancelling excellent television shows and leaving me stuck on a cliff hanger forever. Business is still business though so if it was better for their bottom line then I can't really blame them because they have shareholders to placate, especially since they were recently added to the fortune 500 and have been spending out the ass to expand their sporting empire.

drave 11-13-2021 08:23 AM
You should call your least favorite child "Sinclair" when they're in trouble. Just make it their unofficial middle name.

slik 11-18-2021 09:32 PM
Did Hit Row have more than 1 match on the main roster?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fightful has learned that WWE have released John Morrison, Top Dolla, Ashante Adonis, Isaiah Swerve Scott, Tegan Nox, Drake Maverick, Shane Thorne, and Jaxson Ryker.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1461520091934302209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

slik 11-18-2021 09:34 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My immediate thoughts...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/wwe?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#wwe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wwe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/nxt?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#nxt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENXT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wwenxt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/thankyou?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#thankyou</a> <a href="https://t.co/jMtv5X50KQ">pic.twitter.com/jMtv5X50KQ</a></p>&mdash; Drake Maverick (@WWEMaverick) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEMaverick/status/1461520342539816961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD 11-18-2021 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5495142)
Did Hit Row have more than 1 match on the main roster?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fightful has learned that WWE have released John Morrison, Top Dolla, Ashante Adonis, Isaiah Swerve Scott, Tegan Nox, Drake Maverick, Shane Thorne, and Jaxson Ryker.</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1461520091934302209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Dude, what the fuck? Un-fucking-believable

xrodmuc316 11-18-2021 09:41 PM
Morrison had to have asked for his release after they let go of his wife. Miz is literally about to return, it makes no sense they would release him now, especially when they could have released him 2 weeks ago with her.

Also, damn I liked that WWE Treasure show, thanks for the memories Top Dolla!

slik 11-18-2021 09:43 PM
Taya Valkerie has CENA NUFF

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stop supporting a company that has ZERO respect for their talent. You love pro wrestling, spend your money on the hundreds of other alternatives. This is wrong. Ethically, as employers they don’t care about us. Talent or fans.</p>&mdash; TAYA VALKYRIE (@FrankyMonetWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/FrankyMonetWWE/status/1461522622546644992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yooooo FUCKKKKK them.</p>&mdash; TAYA VALKYRIE (@FrankyMonetWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/FrankyMonetWWE/status/1461519388830543879?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

GD 11-18-2021 09:47 PM
I hope this wasn't due to the Mahal diss track. Weaksauce.

Supreme Olajuwon 11-18-2021 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5495144)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My immediate thoughts...<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/wwe?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#wwe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWE?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wwe</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/nxt?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#nxt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/WWENXT?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wwenxt</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/thankyou?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#thankyou</a> <a href="https://t.co/jMtv5X50KQ">pic.twitter.com/jMtv5X50KQ</a></p>&mdash; Drake Maverick (@WWEMaverick) <a href="https://twitter.com/WWEMaverick/status/1461520342539816961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Hey this is PrettyGood

Supreme Olajuwon 11-18-2021 09:48 PM
People should watch this

xrodmuc316 11-18-2021 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Slik (Post 5495150)
Taya Valkerie has CENA NUFF

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stop supporting a company that has ZERO respect for their talent. You love pro wrestling, spend your money on the hundreds of other alternatives. This is wrong. Ethically, as employers they don’t care about us. Talent or fans.</p>&mdash; TAYA VALKYRIE (@FrankyMonetWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/FrankyMonetWWE/status/1461522622546644992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yooooo FUCKKKKK them.</p>&mdash; TAYA VALKYRIE (@FrankyMonetWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/FrankyMonetWWE/status/1461519388830543879?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Lol damn, maybe Morrison didnt ask for his release afterall. Good for her!

Evil Vito 11-18-2021 09:48 PM
Hit Row weren’t even given a chance. God damn.

GD 11-18-2021 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Supreme Olajuwon (Post 5495153)
People should watch this
It was good.

slik 11-18-2021 09:59 PM
Evergreen 'Dana Brooke changing her phone number r/n' post

GD 11-18-2021 10:06 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">don't worry <a href="https://t.co/tHmncljN8a">pic.twitter.com/tHmncljN8a</a></p>&mdash; forever botchamania (@Maffewgregg) <a href="https://twitter.com/Maffewgregg/status/1459954785310937096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

xrodmuc316 11-18-2021 10:08 PM
By my count:

Raw has 40 active wrestlers on the roster. 29 men, including Veer who technically hasnt redubeted yet, Miz who has not returned yet, and Edge who is part time. You could also take away MVP and Azeez as while they occasionally wrestler, they are mostly managers.
Raw has 10 active females. Who knows when Alexa Bliss may come back, and Nikki and Rhea are tag champs so they are technically both Raw and Smackdown.

Smackdown has 31 active wrestlers on the roster. 23 men, including occasional wrestlers but mostly managers Rick Boogs, Madcap Moss, and Shanky.
Smackdown has 8 active women. Xia Li has not debuted yet, and Aliyah has had I believe one match. Bayley is also on Smackdown but injured, even though she isnt even listed on their website.

I know WWE had a bloated roster, but man they are getting pretty thin now.

Lock Jaw 11-18-2021 10:10 PM
Wasn't Drake Maverick already released awhile ago?

Bad News Gertner 11-18-2021 10:11 PM
They released a bunch of junk. No loss.

xrodmuc316 11-18-2021 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 5495163)
Wasn't Drake Maverick already released awhile ago?
He was, but then was still in the cruiserweight tourney, then got rehired to NXT, was in a tag with Killian Dain for a while, then not much of anything after Dain was released.

slik 11-18-2021 10:15 PM
They should call up more men to SD...still baffled at callup of Von Wagner...like of all the people from NXT 2.0, how lol

slik 11-18-2021 10:20 PM
Von Wagner's gimmick is he is tall

Not memorable and not a promo guy...call up Odyssey Jones or Xyon Quinn...Odyssey good power moves wrestler and lots of personality...Xyon not a bad promo and innovative 'big man' rassler...

Damian Rey 2.0 11-18-2021 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by The God of TPWW (Post 5495164)
They released a bunch of junk. No loss.
It sucks people lost their jobs. But, things are opened up, there’s plenty of work to be had and these people weren’t being used anyways.

slik 11-18-2021 10:39 PM
I wonder who else who was in big promoted matches from WM this last year will get the axe before next WM

JoMo (Bad Bunny match)
Braun (Shane match)
Bray (Orton match)

slik 11-18-2021 10:40 PM
Seems like dumb PR to release people right before the holidays

slik 11-18-2021 10:41 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Laurinaitis cited budget cuts as the reason within the e-mail</p>&mdash; Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com (@SeanRossSapp) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanRossSapp/status/1461520663882182656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Prayers for WWE that they can overcome their financial problems.��</p>&mdash; Greg Morgan (@GoodMicWork) <a href="https://twitter.com/GoodMicWork/status/1461536846823899139?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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