Zactlyyyyyyyyyyyy.

Bunch of jealous weirdos.

That was not my intention. I’m certain that I asked this before and it remained unanswered. I was just giving it another shot. If you read my other posts in this thread…for the most part, I am not disagreeing with what you have to say.

I don’t doubt that you genuinely dislike Tony Khan.

You can genuinely dislike Tony and also turn that dislike into a caricature of “Guy who REALLY dislikes Tony” though.

People want to stick their fingers in their ears and ignore reason so they can enjoy the thing they’ve hitched their wagon to. I know I’m disrupting the peace when I talk about AEW sucking, their flaws and what it is doing to the perception of wrestling. But I also know that I am not alone and that people do appreciate the balance and it might make them feel less insane if they come on here and see it is not a complete echo chamber.

No comments on this TBS show. It didn’t even hit my radar this week. I’m interested in the rating though.

Very true, and admittedly I did state that I did it a few times in these last few days. Weapon X even replied twice to me that I am obsessed, because that waa the joke, that I brought it up a few times randomly in threads about different things.


So there it is, 5 times since December 31st that I replied with a nonsense Tony Khan joke. Anything else was a serious take and a proper reply to the threads they were in.

No one would pick up on it if they were Vince McMahon jokes.

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Right. But then there’s stuff like you ragging on Tony for promoting CM Punk’s Daly Place debut. I still don’t know whether that was meant to be taken seriously. It wasn’t said in the same tone as this other stuff. But the fact that you’ve got this side “gimmick” going muddles everything.

I say you should full-on commit to a comedy gimmick or drop it entirely. Don’t half-ass it.

Everyone on tpww is entitled to full creative control of their character you guys

Because that was fucking stupid. How is CM Punk's first ever appearance at Daily's Place special whatsoever? It's a 5 year old building, they NEVER promoted any other person's first appearance there, and it is not like he was having a title match or anything special at all. This is not Donald Trump walking into North Korea as the first sitting US President ever. CM Punk at Daily's Place got top billing for the entire show. That is a Ludicrous thing to promote.

Daly's Place is there home arena. It doesn't matter that it's 5 years old. AEW is younger than that. It's their home arena. For them it's a big deal.

CM Punk is their biggest star.

Their biggest star made his debut in their home arena and they put it first on the marquee for their weekly TV show that week.

And this triggered a deep "LOL FUCK TONY KHAN" reaction from you.

You see the issue here?

If CM Punk is their biggest star, then why isn't he in the title picture?

Damb. He got you there fan. Stumped!

CM Punk is their biggest star? Based on what, T-Shirt sales, direct to DVD low budget horror movies, or losing to a dude named Johnny Bananas on MTV's The Challenge?

Why didn't Cody Rhodes get a "First time at Daily's Place hype" the first time he was there? What about Moxley or Omega? Daniel Bryan has main evented 2 Wrestlemania's, where was his Daily's Place debut graphic and tweets? Hell they had Shaq have a freaking match at Daily's Place, why didn't Daily's Place get top billing then?

Tony Khan loves CM Punk, has gone on record as saying Punk was the first guy he wanted to sign because he is such a fan. And really that is what it is all about, he is not their biggest star, he is just Tony Khan's favorite toy.

As for Punk himself, CM Punk said for YEARS he would never go back to wrestling, "NEVER EVER EVER!", but then he failed at everything else he tried, and it changed to "I meant I'll never go back to WWE". Except he tried to get his agent to reach out to WWE, and they said no thanks, not interested. Then he got Fox to hire him for a show about WWE, and tried to get WWE to hire him again, and again WWE said no. Then Fox offered to pay Punk's salary for him to be on Smackdown, costing Vince nothing, and Vince STILL said no.

Then all of a sudden, "hey I love AEW", even though for over 2 years he ripped them. Talking about how they are unprofessional by texting him offers, how they would have to pay him WAY MORE because he could make more going back to WWE. Meanwhile all he does is STILL talk about WWE in promos and interviews and on Twitter, because who is he if he is not "Fed Bad" guy?

Dude hates WWE, they held him back and stifled his creativity. Now in AEW he has the creative freedom to be himself, except instead he came back as the exact same WWE character he was when he quit. Same white T-Shirt, same music, same moves, same catchphrases, etc. I

Yes most of this is a about Punk and not Daily's Place, but to tie it all together, it is not JUST Daily's Place that was irrelevant, Punk's first time in any arena is not a big deal either.

Punk only started to become interested in AEW when Brodie died and he's never taken drugs or smoked cigarettes. CM Punk is a real star who has a deep relationship with the AEW which sees itself as the smartest wrestling fans.

Punk holds victories over talents that Roman does not, legends like Raven, McGuiness and Regal. Sure Roman has a very very cool tattoo that really kicks ass and also really bad ass hair that makes you wanna just get up and go! But that aside guys like CM Punk are hard to find. He doesn't drink he doesn't smoke and his only addiction is competition. That's a shoot brother, he is the G in legit.

Yeah, but he wishes he was the E in legit, because secretly he would rather be in the E, the W.W.EEEEEEEEEE.!

So who is AEW's biggest star then?

Moxley

Cody, Omega, Bryan, Page, Moxley, Jericho, pick one. Hell Sting is a bigger star than Punk. Even Hook has surpassed his T-Shirt sales.

Sting is the only one you can argue.

None of the other ones you mentioned are a bigger star than Punk.

You’re being ridiculous.

Page? Omega? Hook? Really?

I think Bryan is a bigger star for sure. Arguments can easily be made for Jericho and Moxley being bigger deals than CM Punk nowadays too.

If Punk didn't have that 7 year lay off he would be the biggest star of them all rn though.

I dunno about Jericho actually. I think he's fallen out of that argument over the last year now that I think about it.

But I still think Bryan and prob Mox eclipse Punk.

Bryan’s got that same “golden days of the IWC darlings” recognition but I think Punk’s a bit of a bigger name. Definitely a bigger name than Moxley and the others mentioned.

Also,

He was there from the beginning. His first time at Daily’s place was probably AEW’s first time at Daily’s place and definitely before it became “home” to them.

Another weird point. lol

Why are we comparing Cody, who’s seemingly typecast himself as a mid card wrestler in his own fed, to CM Punk, a top merch mover who was one of the main guys in the biggest wrestling company on earth? Like, it’s not even close lol. If the company didn’t hype up Punk appearing on TV they’d be idiots.

Hook by the t-shirt sales, since that was one of the things Punk was number 1 at. Not anymore though, Hook tapped his shirt sales out.

LOL by what metric? Bryan has accomplished things Punk never did. Plus whatever you want to think about reality shows, Bryan has been on those for many years as well. The YES chant took over sports for a while. Bryan Danielson is a far bigger star.

Alright, why not Moxley, Bryan, or Shaq?

Cody Rhodes is on 2 different TV Shows, does all the pressers, and is somebody who's lineage in the wrestling business AEW is built on. Cody Rhodes is a bigger star than CM Punk.

So what? Hook’s t-shirt sales also outdrew everyone else in the company. At least temporarily. That includes all those other guys you mentioned as AEW’s biggest stars. So if I mentioned Hook beating their shirt sales as a point against them would that be valid? Or is it only somehow a knock against Punk? lol

I asked you how you determined Punk is their biggest star. I asked if it was based off t-shirt sales. IF, and I am not saying you said this, but IF t-shirt sales are a metric, then Hook beats Punk. Or is the number of t-shirts sold not a plus unless it is for Punk?

I think the "biggest star" with the most "mainstream" name recognition is probably Jericho

Biggest "draw" among people who watch wrestling I would say is still Punk at this point, as far as ticket sales and PPV buys and merch sales and stuff... but feel like that will continue to wear off as time goes on since a lot of it is him returning after being away for so long

The t-shirt sales thing just shows the top sellers of the week, so makes sense that Hook's new shirts would temporarily be at the top. Most people who want CM Punk shirts already bought them...

Sure, moving merch is one metric. Hook had the #1 shirt after he debuted. Punk had #2. You know who had #3?

Punk.

So... misleading. But yes. Merch sales are important. That doesn’t mean Hook taking #1 temporary is particularly relevant. Hook is not in the conversation. Lol

Punk is also responsible for the biggest rating they’ve had (I think) since their debut. And that happened on the late Friday night B-show.

Of course Hook is not AEW's biggest star. I am also not saying Punk is not a draw at all, far from it, and yes he popped a rating, but that gain was gone within a month.

We clearly disagree on his importance/value to AEW overall. He is the is the central figure we have butted heads over the last 6 months, with a sprinkling of Tony Khan mixed in. It is what it is, an agree to disagree situation.

Cody is a huge star, girls love him and guys hate him. He is one of the best in the world in the ring and constantly has 5 star matches and has a beautiful wife and cute dog. Sure his neck tattoo is a huge mistake and he went to hard for America once in a promo but he is the star of Go Big Show and was on seven episodes of Arrow.

Cody's Stephen Amell show > CM Punk's Stephen Amell show

I would rather see Ricky Rabies than CM Punk, to be honest. At least he isn't bitching about 7 year old bullshit.

Yeah Punk needs to let it go with the WWE, just let it go Punk.