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Xero 03-17-2010 09:39 AM

Chairshot to the head? That's a finin'...
 
From PWInsider:

A report by the Hartford Courtant revealed that World Wrestling Entertainment officially banned chair shots to the head at the onset of 2010.

The article stemmed from the ongoing political warfare in Connecticut stemming from Linda McMahon's campaign to become Senator. One of McMahon's political rivals, Rob Simmons, who has been taking shots at McMahon's campaign being based around her background running World Wrestling Entertainment, questioned whether McMahon would testify at a local education committee about preventing and treating concussions among High School athletes.

In researching the article, writer Daniela Altimari received the following email from WWE spokesperson Robert Zimmerman:

"In January 2010, WWE amended its Talent Wellness Program, specifically regarding the ImPACT™ Concussion Management Program originally instituted in 2008, eliminating the use of folding chairs or props to "strike" an opponent in the head. Prior to this policy change, The Tables, Ladders and Chairs event in question took place on December 13, 2009. "Incidentally, no performer suffered a concussion during the TLC event."

The company's concussion program features annual examinations of talents as well as evaluations of whether they can return to active competition following head trauma.

The verbiage involving chair shots reads as follows:

*The WWE has eliminated using folding metal chairs to "strike" an opponent in the head.

*The WWE penalizes through fine and/or suspension the following:

-The intentional use of a folding metal chair to "strike" an opponent in the head.

-Any blow to the head that is deemed an INTENTIONAL act.

*The fine and/or suspension will be directed by the EVP of Talent Relations.

Londoner 03-17-2010 09:40 AM

What a fucking joke. WWE just gets worse and worse, fuck linda.

Xero 03-17-2010 09:41 AM

I actually don't have a problem with banning straight chairshots to the head as it CAN be dangerous. However, protected shots should be allowed.

Krimzon7 03-17-2010 09:43 AM

and they are. Protected chairshots are chairshots to the Arm.

Londoner 03-17-2010 09:44 AM

The thing is, whats next to go then? The list could go on and on till the whole point of whats good about wrestling is lost.

The Jayman 03-17-2010 09:44 AM

the use of the ladder will be next

Londoner 03-17-2010 09:47 AM

especially in a ladder match, thats just too dangerous!

AngryMidjit 03-17-2010 09:48 AM

man,how long until the senate thing is over so linda can lose?

Londoner 03-17-2010 09:48 AM

I fucking hate politics.

Xero 03-17-2010 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngryMidjit (Post 2984760)
man,how long until the senate thing is over so linda can lose?

Oh, this isn't Senate-related. WWE has been afraid of the concussions since Benoit. This was inevitable. It's the wellness policy in general, which was in place before Linda got all political.

Again, I have no problem with things that prolong the wrestlers' lives and careers and prevents injury.

Londoner 03-17-2010 09:51 AM

There's alot worse things that can do more damage in wwe than a bloody chair shot to the head.

Xero 03-17-2010 09:52 AM

Like?

Londoner 03-17-2010 09:54 AM

Watch any match involving stuff like chairs, ladders etc and you get your answer, its just aload of bollocks imo, this decision.

GD 03-17-2010 09:54 AM

Souce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_B...er_and_suicide

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Former wrestler Christopher Nowinski has said that Benoit may have been suffering from repeated, untreated concussions throughout his wrestling career, ultimately leading to an unstable mental state. Nowinski has been quoted as saying that Benoit "was one of the only guys who would take a chair shot to the back of the head ... which is stupid." Tests were conducted on Benoit's brain by Julian Bailes, the head of neurosurgery at West Virginia University, and results showed that "Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient." Tests conducted on Benoit's brain tissue have revealed he did in fact suffer from severe chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), and had brain damage in all four lobes of the brain and brain stem.These tests revealed similar results to the study of the brains of four retired NFL players who have suffered multiple concussions, sank into depression and harmed themselves or others. Bailes and his colleagues concluded that repeated concussions can lead to dementia, which can contribute to severe behavioral problems. Benoit's father suggests that brain damage may have been the leading cause of the double murder-suicide. A statement released by WWE dismissed this idea as "speculative."

Do we really need them?

Londoner 03-17-2010 09:56 AM

Any other cases in wrestling other than Benoit, though?

Krimzon7 03-17-2010 09:57 AM

WWE: That report is bullshit.

WWE: Get the kids on the phone, we got some shit to talk about.

Xero 03-17-2010 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984776)
Any other cases in wrestling other than Benoit, though?

Yeah, Nowinski.

Londoner 03-17-2010 09:58 AM

Wont somebody please think of the children!

Evil Vito 03-17-2010 10:02 AM

<font color=goldenrod>lol the second Linda announced she was running I knew the only thing her opponents would campaign about was WWE. Not even the fact that she has zero previous political experience.</font>

Kane Knight 03-17-2010 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984761)
I fucking hate politics.

Yeah! That's the only reason for safer wrestling!

...Linda was running for Senate back when piledrivers and the like we banned, right?

Londoner 03-17-2010 10:14 AM

That isn't the only reason i hate politics, but seeing it mentioned when invovled with wrestling gets to me.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 10:15 AM

Why are we mad that they are taking steps away from garabage wrestling?

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984802)
That isn't the only reason i hate politics, but seeing it mentioned when invovled with wrestling gets to me.

Well you are a bathering baby.

Londoner 03-17-2010 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984804)
Well you are a bathering baby.

Cheers.

The Pope 03-17-2010 10:29 AM

Breaking news: The WWE has banned the wrestling ring because someone may fall out and get a bruise.

DAMN iNATOR 03-17-2010 10:30 AM

At first, I accidentally misread the article as saying that one of Linda's political rivals was Ron Simmons.

DAMN iNATOR 03-17-2010 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Perfect (Post 2984815)
Breaking news: The WWE has banned the wrestling ring because someone may fall out and get a bruise.

Or maybe they just had enough of incidents such as this \/:
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:shifty:

The Mackem 03-17-2010 10:33 AM

Quote:

ImPACT™ Concussion Management Program
Damn you Dixie Carter!

Hanso Amore 03-17-2010 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2984767)
Like?

Chokelams, back body drops etc

Anything that causes your head to whiplash back when you land.

The Jayman 03-17-2010 10:46 AM

lol @ Mackem

loopydate 03-17-2010 10:51 AM

It's about time. Good for WWE for finally getting on board the "let's stop giving our guys brain damage" train. Took them long enough.

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanso (Post 2984826)
Chokelams, back body drops etc

Anything that causes your head to whiplash back when you land.

Stop giving wwe ideas.:foc:

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 11:04 AM

I love how most people on this board are pro-shortening careers and want the wrestlers to take unnecessary injuries from chair shots and so forth.

6-String King 03-17-2010 11:04 AM

WWE Just went from PG to G

Rollermacka 03-17-2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2984763)
Oh, this isn't Senate-related. WWE has been afraid of the concussions since Benoit. This was inevitable. It's the wellness policy in general, which was in place before Linda got all political.

Again, I have no problem with things that prolong the wrestlers' lives and careers and prevents injury.

So no more chair shots in politics? Aww, I wanted too see Macho Man come out on C-SPAN and hit governor Schwarzenegger from behind with a chair :shifty:

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984842)
I love how most people on this board are pro-shortening careers and want the wrestlers to take unnecessary injuries from chair shots and so forth.

Way to miss the point.

Xero 03-17-2010 11:27 AM

What's the point? That they're banning moves in the interest of safety? Bastards.

The Mackem 03-17-2010 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984842)
I love how most people on this board are pro-shortening careers and want the wrestlers to take unnecessary injuries from chair shots and so forth.

You are a monster. This is a good thing.

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2984868)
What's the point? That they're banning moves in the interest of safety? Bastards.

The point is when does the banning stop? Bit funny they are having all these high risk matches every ppv now yet banning chair shots to the head.

Xero 03-17-2010 11:35 AM

I'll say they're inconsistent, but chair shots are an immediate danger. You take an unprotected chair shot to the head and there's a pretty high chance of injury.

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:38 AM

We might aswell just ban wrestling altogether.

Xero 03-17-2010 11:41 AM

Chairs = wrestling?

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:43 AM

Part of it, part of the 'edgy' side of it, anyway.

Xero 03-17-2010 11:43 AM

They're not banning chairs, though. Just shots to the head. It's not like they're saying "no more chair use". It's "no more shots to the head".

WWE already bans or limits the more risky moves. If you haven't noticed, even Powerbombs are rarely used anymore outside of finishers.

If they limit the use of moves but not outright ban them, which they seem to be doing, I see no problem with it. It just makes it more special when they're pulled off.

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:44 AM

Are ladder shots to the head still ok?

The Franchise 03-17-2010 11:46 AM

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Xero 03-17-2010 11:46 AM

I'd have to assume all direct shots to the head are banned, just not listed in the policy.

We'll see at MITB for that.

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:46 AM

lol franchise

Xero 03-17-2010 11:48 AM

For the record, I enjoy chair shots as much as the next guy, I just can't blame WWE for wanting to protect their performers, for public image or otherwise.

Jakob Synn 03-17-2010 11:49 AM

Wasn't there a big thing a while ago where a young wrestler in TNA or possibly the WWE that took a straight up chair shot to prove how strong he was? Who was it? Like he didn't put his hands up to block it, but just took it straight to the head.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 11:53 AM

lol at TL and his slippery slope.

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:53 AM

lol@ BDC and not bothering to properly reply.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 11:53 AM

If you can't hit people in the head with metal objects, it just isn't wrestling.[/TL]

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984913)
If you can't hit people in the head with metal objects, it just isn't wrestling.[/TL]

Again missing the point. Notice i said 'part of the edgy side of it'?

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 11:55 AM

What is their to argue. WWE banned direct chair shots to the head. That is a move towards safety. Sure it might be because Linda is running in politics, but wrestlers don't need to be taking chair shots to the head. This is a good move no matter what.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984914)
Again missing the point. Notice i said 'part of the edgy side of it'?

Wrestling hasn't been edgy since 1998.

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984917)
Wrestling hasn't been edgy since 1998.

Sure.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 11:56 AM

if you want chair shots, go watch CZW.

The Franchise 03-17-2010 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2984884)
Chairs = wrestling?

World Chairs Wrestling
Extreme Chairs Wrestling

I dunno. I don't think this will make much of a difference with the "PG" WWE. I'm sure chair shots weren't going to happen all that much anyway.

Londoner 03-17-2010 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984920)
if you want chair shots, go watch CZW.

:lol:

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 11:59 AM

Seriously, what is the big deal? They haven't banned chairs outright. They have been inconstistant as all hell. But one step at a time is still better than nothing.

Xero 03-17-2010 11:59 AM

To be fair chair shots are rare at it is.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984926)
Seriously, what is the big deal? They haven't banned chairs outright. They have been inconstistant as all hell. But one step at a time is still better than nothing.

Go and read the thread properly instead of asking whats already been answered.

Xero 03-17-2010 12:01 PM

You've dodged the "they haven't banned chairs outright" comment twice now.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:02 PM

I did read the thread, and your arguments are full of logical fallacies. So I decided to make fun of you instead of trying to have a proper debate with you because you aren't having proper debate with other people.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2984935)
You've dodged the "they haven't banned chairs outright" comment twice now.

Not dodged anything, just accepted that.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:03 PM

They haven't you stupid douche. Don't get all high and might about me not arguing right when you aren't either.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984942)
They haven't you stupid douche. Don't get all high and might about me not arguing right when you aren't either.

what?

BDC you need to learn to read my posts properly before replying in future.

Nicky Fives 03-17-2010 12:07 PM

This is absolutely fucking ridiculous..... it was only the guys that needed to get over that took chair shots to the head..... Guys like Rock, HHH, HBK, Undertaker, Hogan never took shots directly to the head, ever.....

The Franchise 03-17-2010 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky Fives (Post 2984948)
This is absolutely fucking ridiculous..... it was only the guys that needed to get over that took chair shots to the head..... Guys like Rock, HHH, HBK, Undertaker, Hogan never took shots directly to the head, ever.....

Please refer to post 46

Jordan 03-17-2010 12:09 PM

Safety first, this isn't UFC you know.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984943)
what?

BDC you need to learn to read my posts properly before replying in future.

For the last time, I have read your posts. You are using a slippery slope argument, ducking the facts, and the telling me I don't know how to read. You have yet to address legitmate comments. You ignorant fucktard.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984954)
For the last time, I have read your posts. You are using a slippery slope argument, ducking the facts, and the telling me I don't know how to read. You have yet to address legitmate comments. You ignorant fucktard.

Funny you say i'm not debating properly yet look what you've contributed so far eh?

As i said, not dodged anything, explained my point. I was discussing chair shots to the head, not all chair shots. How long before all chair shots are banned to though?

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984957)
Funny you say i'm not debating properly yet look what you've contributed so far eh?

As i said, not dodged anything, explained my point. I was discussing chair shots to the head, not all chair shots. How long before all chair shots are banned to though?

THAT IS THE FUCKING SLIPPERLY SLOPE ARGUMENT YOU DUMB FUCKER.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984959)
THAT IS THE FUCKING SLIPPERLY SLOPE ARGUMENT YOU DUMB FUCKER.

oh do shut up you whining prick

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:15 PM

That's really all you have because you been exposed? It doesn't matter how long till the outlaw chairshots. It is wrestling, not garabage fighting.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984963)
That's really all you have because you been exposed? It doesn't matter how long till the outlaw chairshots. It is wrestling, not garabage fighting.

If you check one of my posts recently you'll see what my favourite aspects of wrestling are, chair shots wasn't one of them, i'm just making my feelings known about this subject, sorry you can't accept that, but that's your problem.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:18 PM

Yeah it is my problem that you keep changing you position.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:18 PM

I have changed nothing, tell me what you mean by that.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:21 PM

Now you are just trying to keep arguing till you win something. I gotcha. I think it is time for you to get your juice box and take a nap.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:22 PM

ahahahahaha, you're such a troll. Wont even tell me what i've changed position on, ffs get a life.

Gerard 03-17-2010 12:25 PM

So this is hapenning because linda wants to get into politics. And if she hadn't been more than likely it would have never been brought up. Amazing how the wrestlers welfare is a concern when it a mcmahon wants to get their foot into something else.

Xero 03-17-2010 12:29 PM

It's been an issue for years, with Nowinski bringing it to light especially and pushing it to WWE. I think it would have happened either way, maybe it was just pushed in a little early.

Volare 03-17-2010 12:30 PM

Just think if The Rock came back and guest hosted RAW. There would be no more "turn that sum-bitch sideways, ans stick it straight up your candy ass!" No more talking about "pie" (well maybe) But pretty much Rock is gonna be cut down to nothing, at least without his origional punch lines.

Ol Dirty Dastard 03-17-2010 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984747)
What a fucking joke. WWE just gets worse and worse, fuck linda.

You're a knob.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984747)
What a fucking joke. WWE just gets worse and worse, fuck linda.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984753)
The thing is, whats next to go then? The list could go on and on till the whole point of whats good about wrestling is lost.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984758)
especially in a ladder match, thats just too dangerous!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984761)
I fucking hate politics.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984766)
There's alot worse things that can do more damage in wwe than a bloody chair shot to the head.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984769)
Watch any match involving stuff like chairs, ladders etc and you get your answer, its just aload of bollocks imo, this decision.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984776)
Any other cases in wrestling other than Benoit, though?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984780)
Wont somebody please think of the children!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984802)
That isn't the only reason i hate politics, but seeing it mentioned when invovled with wrestling gets to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984876)
The point is when does the banning stop? Bit funny they are having all these high risk matches every ppv now yet banning chair shots to the head.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984882)
We might aswell just ban wrestling altogether.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984886)
Part of it, part of the 'edgy' side of it, anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984914)
Again missing the point. Notice i said 'part of the edgy side of it'?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984939)
Not dodged anything, just accepted that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984957)
Funny you say i'm not debating properly yet look what you've contributed so far eh?

As i said, not dodged anything, explained my point. I was discussing chair shots to the head, not all chair shots. How long before all chair shots are banned to though?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984964)
If you check one of my posts recently you'll see what my favourite aspects of wrestling are, chair shots wasn't one of them, i'm just making my feelings known about this subject, sorry you can't accept that, but that's your problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984967)
I have changed nothing, tell me what you mean by that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984973)
ahahahahaha, you're such a troll. Wont even tell me what i've changed position on, ffs get a life.

You never explained your point. You keep dodging. You go from "chair shots never hurt annoy" to "when will the banning of dangerous moves stop" to "I never really like chair shots in the first place, but I don't think they should get rid of them."

Gerard 03-17-2010 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 2984980)
It's been an issue for years, with Nowinski bringing it to light especially and pushing it to WWE. I think it would have happened either way, maybe it was just pushed in a little early.



Ive read about the Nowinski thing and the report on benoit, last i read though wwe had yet to see any evidence that benoits brain dmage was anywhere as severe as the tests had made out. if it was as bad as the quote below states you'd think it would have got more coverage on the news. Then again the news was riding the "roid rage" bandwagon for all it was worth at the time.

Quote:

Benoit's brain was so severely damaged it resembled the brain of an 85-year-old Alzheimer's patient

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:34 PM

Never said i didn't like them just they weren't my favourite aspects, but ofcourse like anyone else i enjoy that side of it too. I'm just abit worried wwe will go too 'safe' and ban more things in future.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TL (Post 2984989)
Never said i didn't like them just they weren't my favourite aspects, but ofcourse like anyone else i enjoy that side of it too. I'm just abit worried wwe will go too 'safe' and ban more things in future.

Yeah, I would hate for the wrestler's average life span to go from 35 to 50, that would be awful.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:36 PM

You wanted my opinion, you got it. Now you're just trying to provoke an argument.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:38 PM

Yeah, like you weren't doing that to start with.

Favre4Ever 03-17-2010 12:39 PM

so no DDT's?

McLegend 03-17-2010 12:39 PM

I hate chairshots to the head. I'm glad it's banned.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2984993)
Yeah, like you weren't doing that to start with.

When was i doing that? I was merely making fun of the decision, never personally targetted anyone for an argument like you have.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:41 PM

Do I need to quote all your posts again?

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:42 PM

Whatever, its clear you've just misinterpreted my posting style/what i was doing.

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:49 PM

What? There is another way to interprete how you were being a rude asshole that is more concerned about a cheap thrill of watching someone get hit in the head than the health and welfare of wrestlers/preformers.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 2985006)
What? There is another way to interprete how you were being a rude asshole that is more concerned about a cheap thrill of watching someone get hit in the head than the health and welfare of wrestlers/preformers.

lol, so its wrong now to enjoy someone being hit with something in wrestling? So in the MITB match, is everyone meant to not enjoy any 'risky' moves because that would mean they're a 'rude asshole'?

BigDaddyCool 03-17-2010 12:55 PM

There you go with that slippery slope crap again.

Londoner 03-17-2010 12:56 PM

Really can't be bothered with people like you. Wont in future.


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