Random Comic Book Thoughts
 

* Iron Man vs. Magneto would probably be the most one-sided fight ever. Unless Tony has some Plastic Armor, he's more or less wearing his own coffin into battle.

* Battle of the most ridiculously over-powered concepts EVER: Green-Lantern Batman vs. Red-Lantern Hulk.

Feel free to add.

Yeah, but bad guys are dumb. Magneto's pretty fucking powerful, but he only thought to de-adamantium Wolverine after nearly 30 years? He'd probably bat Stark around for a while, until the second act, where Stark would triumph anyway.

Pretty much anyone versus Magento would be one-sided. You know, if comics were written with sense in mind, instead of archetypical stories that suspend disbelief.

YOU WILL BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE WITH THE POWERS OF A GOD WOULD ROB BANKS FOR MONEY!

Yeah, Cosmic Boy from the Legion of Super-Heroes pretty much has the same powers as Magneto but has NEVER been portrayed as that powerful.

Probably because then there wouldn't be anything for the other 573 members of the Legion to do.

Not even close. Anyone not wearing metal, or not in an area full of metal objects, would beat the shit out of Magneto. Without that advantage he's an old man in a red body glove.

That's not even counting superheroes who are immune to anything he can throw at them. What's he going to do against Superman, or Hulk, or hundreds of other superheroes who are immune to conventional projectiles? Throw metal scraps at them? The best he can do is throw a tank or something.

Dr. Manhattan would blow every atom in his body apart before he could even find a spoon to throw at him with his mind

Sentinels made of plastic can handle Magneto

No they can't. He could use metal objects to impale them/damage them.

The Marvel Universe's level of technology is presented as above our own (and above the DC Universe).

They've got flying cars, robot decoy people, flying hellicarriers...

Not to mention half the stuff that Reed Richards, Hank Pym, and Tony Stark make.

it's a comic book

Magneto has shown, depending on his dramatically varying level of power this week, the ability to manipulate the iron at the base level of the human blood stream--thus slowing down the flow of blood to the brain and suffocating people.

He has deflected blows from a Captain Universe with the strength of his shield.

His shielding has withstood nukes, and blasts from the Phoenix.

He can reverse gravity up to 500 feet from himself.

He can open up the earth and create god damn volcanoes.

He can amplify his own strength and durability to class 100 levels, to the extent that he's broken out of Hercules' grasp, knocked out Rogue with a single punch, and taken full blasts from Bishop and keep going.

And I can dig up full panel scans of all of this shit, if need be. Magneto is a fucking monster.

Nevermind that even one, single iota of metal--a belt buckle or an earring or your car keys--can easily be enough to murder the shit out of you if he makes it go fast enough (and he can).

yeah, come on. magneto is ruthless. his magnetic forces alone will ruin your shit, much less if there's any metal about. if he was really stuck he could always shape his helmet into whatever lethal thing he wanted since if he was fighting hulk or superman, he is not going to be terribly worried about mind control.

also, this is the man who - in two separate continuities - has ripped the adamantium straight from wolverine's bones.

but what about all of the other superheroes that are depicted as having near godly powers. How is his power greater than that of Superman or others?
The powers of heroes are brought to whatever level they can be by the writers. Magneto is a powerhouse of the character, so they find ways for him to do those things.

Hulk has infinite potential, because his power increases exponentially as he gets angry. If something is stopping him, he just gets angrier and more and more powerful

Magneto is incredible, don't get me wrong. I just think he's manageable if you have metal out of the equation. But apparently there are ways to link everything to metal, so fair enough.
I think that's more deus ex machina by the writers, since he's the main villain of the Xmen universe and easily one of the greatest comic characters of alltime.

I don't think anyone's going to argue that Mags can take Superman, Dr. Manhattan, Silver Surfer, Thor, or any other of the "high tiers"--but anybody street level on down, from Luke Cage to Tony Stark to Captain America to Batman are going to get the ever loving dog shit whipped out of them if they don't do some serious, ridiculous planning ahead of time. Magneto is approaching the "unstoppable" type characters like Dr. Strange and Juggernaut, and on a good day can even fuck some of THOSE guys up.

How many times has magneto lost his powers?

Also, for as often as this statement gets tossed around in comic book argument circles it's bordering on utter bullshit. Human anger has finite limits, and Hulk does not automatically reach newfound plateaus of rage just for failing. Unless the Hulk's opponent murdered his wife or talked shit about his football team or something, Hulk's anger will cap off and his power will hit a peak somewhere. Any situation where the Hulk isn't directly emotionally invested is a dangerous situation for the Hulk, because he's only going to get so frustrated over not winning yet--and scenarios like that (where it's just a random dude) are the times when, say, the Juggernaut has taken the Hulk down.

But that's what I was talking about. I disagreed with the notion of Magneto having the most powerful ability of anyone.
I was really pointing out that metal is his bread and butter, and calling him an old guy in a suit to make a point. I meant that if he got into a situation where he was going toe to toe with a lot of other superheroes, and couldn't implement his power, he'd be fucked.
I love the character.

I think the X-Gene deactivates on holidays.

So I was reading Magneto's wikipedia page and it said something about Cyclops getting angry at him for helping the Atlanteans and giving them a new home.

Why is cyclops a dick?

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a1...rn-batman1.jpg
Sums up the batman lantern concept nicely


my question is who thought that was a good idea?

Ive always thought "Batman has to be a mortal" giving him anything else would be far too much

Cyclops is worthless if someone pokes his eyes out

http://ui22.gamespot.com/1717/eartha...carnage1_2.jpg

Carnage suit on Silver Surfer

I've always been a bit of a mark for seeing various characters get the symbiote suits or Green Lantern ring.
It's a total gimmick, but it's interesting to see.

It's cool to see powers that can be transferred to others through possession of an object. Especially if the person who gets said powers is already superpowered.

Wrong.

God, he's pinned people with the iron in their blood.

Though Batman could whoop his ass.

I enjoyed the recent Ms. Marvel as Venom

When it comes to over powering people..this one is my favorite..
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1...uper_super.jpg

Put a role call out for anemic superheroes

Hence why Red Lantern Hulk would be epically over-powered.

Couldn't you say that about every superhero!?

You could say that about every superhero but not every superhero's power is based of manipulating one substance? You get what I'm saying here?
I realize his powers extend deeper than I originally gave them credit, but for the most part they depend on having metal around him to work with.
This isn't a problem in any of the comics or movies, because the writers put that stuff at his disposal.
Other superheroes have powers that aren't conditional on environment. The only way they wouldn't be able to implement their power is if they had an achillies heel, like Superman's kryptonite.

Prof. X > Everyone.

Hope that fucker brought a plastic wheelchair OHOHOHO

MADNESS! plain and simple

Silver Surfer could own 95% of Marvel without some crazy suit.

The symbiotes are cool but honestly they aren't shit if you know how to fight them. All you need is super sonics and they're done.

Until somebody figures out the Surfer's weakness...

ARMLOCKS

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He must have had chicken hidden somewhere.

superman's powers are derived from his environment though. he only has powers on earth because of our yellow sun. on krypton, under a red sun, there would be nothing super about him.

Nevermind that metal isn't exactly in short supply anyway.

lol no

Hes just a cripple to anyone with mental defenses. Which is a lot of fucking people in the MU.

Dr. Strange is pretty hax character. No bigger deus ex machina than "IT'S MAGIC!" You know why dr. strange wasn't in Onslaught? Because it would have lasted 2 seconds if he was.

Yeah, but Black Panther is basically Marvel's Batman. He beats everybody and everything. He'd probably destroy Galactus with an Armbar or something.

Also, batman would beat magneto. Doesn't matter how powerful a character is. Batman will find a way. I mean he killed Darkseid, ffs.

Oh, fuck yeah. You give Batman a couple of hours and the internet and he's taking down God. Batman caught by surprise tends to get fucked up pretty bad, though.

How about Scarlet Witch?

X-Men: First Class

http://www.passfailstudios.com/comics/44.jpg

Fuckin' love that comic.

That very rarely happens. And even then it's no garauntee, as he is probably the most quick-thinking and resorceful characters in all of comics.

Might sound crazy but Ithink captain america has the best chance of beating batman. Just like batman always wins with his detective work, cap always wins through sheer determination. He could be up against galactus, and he'll win just because he refuses to lose. You have to have read the book enough to know where I'm coming from on this,tbh. Always admired captain america, as he has this presence about him that is unique. Like, it feels like he "trys harder" than any other character.

During the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap and Bats traded light blows to gauge each other's skill. They paused with Batman saying, and I'll never forget this line:

"You could probably beat me, but it'll take you a long time."

The whole dynamic with Batman/Captain America was probably the highlight of that JLA/Avengers crossover.



.... Man, we're nerds.

Am I the only one who watches the Big Bang Theory, and gets distracted whenever they are in the comic shop (or when there are comic books in the frame) because I am busy trying to identify the covers of the comic books?

And half the time I succeed?

Is this sad?

Yeah, as far as hand to hand goes, they are about even. Batman is probably a little better, but every hit cap lands is going to hurt a lot more.

OR ARE WE?

Dark Knight, X2, Spidey 2, Iron Man, and many others were blockbusters. I think we were ahead of the times.

Thing is, Cap will not get tired. The formula in him prevents that. So yeah, eventually after an epic 2-3 hour "Goku vs Majin Buu" battle, Cap wins.

Anytime there is a comic shop scene in anything, I do this.

Same here.

Also in JLU Batman dodged the Omega Beams Even darkseid had to admit " Impressive no one has ever dodged my Omega Beam"

and then theres this:

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Cause hes the fucking Batman.

He's the god damned batman.

Spidey always has trouble with Rhino while Cap stopped him with little effort.

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I love The Gauntlet, because it's made spider-man's villains awesome again. For the longest time, they were a fucking joke, outside of osborn.

Yeah, so far most of it was good. Sterns arc was my second fave next to Kelly's Rhino issues.

What is Magneto's range anyways? Sounds like something that's up to the writer at the moment. I mean, I would think in the interest of being reasonable he'd need to have a limit for how far he could manipulate metal from. It should be in his range of vision (not counting obstructions), at least.
It's ridiculous to say he could be standing in the middle of the Sahara desert and pull a quarter out of someone's pocket in Paris.
Using the metal and ore in the earth's crust to cause Volcanoe's would probably require manipulation over a massive distance. If that's the case, why not just move the whole planet through outer space?

This is true. I actually thought of it when typing my response, but I left it out. I figured I'd keep it on Earth, where as long as the sun doesn't go out, Superman has carte blanche to fuck shit up.
I figured if we got into off planet stuff, it would get narrowed down to a select group of Superheroes anyways.
Unless Magneto has the power to hurl metallic meteors from great distances, and invests in a sturdy space suit.

Because I imagine that has nothing to do with his traditional agenda.

The scene where Brody is filling the racks while talking to Jay in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back comes to mind

Maybe one day he decides society is too sick to survive and moves the planet far enough away from the sun so that all the humans die and only the strongest mutants survive. Magneto: Hands on mutant Darwinist.
That's the best I've got.

Weren't his Powers driving that Asteroid /mutant sanctuary he had?

They flat out have a main event match in Marvel vs DC from the 90s

Even without metal physically present, Magneto's power to manipulate EM fields and other miscellaneous bullshit (the super-shield-trick at least has been shown as a consistent power) would let him do a pretty damn good job of wearing Supes down, assuming that Magneto is for some bizarre reason surrounded by absolutely no metal for miles.

And Magneto's ability to manipulate metal is hilariously not limited by his physical capacity, but by the extent of his powers. He can view the world as an electromagnetic spectrum instead of seeing it with his standard senses, giving him knowledge of all things electromagnetic within his range--even if he can't see or hear them. He once used a machine to amplify his powers and simultaneously shut down every machine on Earth. I don't know what his standard reach is, though.

I honestly haven't read any X-Men comics published after the late 90s. I feel like I'm letting the 10 year old version of me down, when I used to read them more than any other title aside from maybe Spidey and Bats

He can also 'weight himself' to the planet's poles, giving him enough power to physically combat big guys. It's a process similar to Hawkman's Claw thingy that knocked Superman the fuck out.

Was just reading about instances in which he has moved asteroids. So you can cross that off the list.
Also, he has created wormholes in order to teleport himself around? lol

Not to mention he has latent telepathic powers and can engage in astral projection. The writers have really gone to town with the whole "can control metal" thing

The more I think about it, the more I think Magneto might actually be able to take Superman.

Come to think of it, why the hell isn't that Hawkman's normal weapon instead of that mace?

"Sure, I have something that can hit you with the gravitational force of the entire planet, and can lay out fucking Superman in one punch, but instead I'm going to hit you with this far less powerful weapon instead. Which seems perfectly reasonable, given that hitting stuff at arm's length and flying are pretty much all I can do."

I respectfully withdraw my comments about Magneto being anything short of a god. I was underestimating him based on the conventional interpreation of his powers, but it seems the writers have explored some avenues here and there that I wasn't aware about, and are interesting to say the least. Seems a bit ridiculous, but he's one of the greatest comic characters going and I would imagine over time a god amongst characters is going to be treated as a god within the stories.

Magneto is one of those villains that takes an entire team of heavy hitters to take down. Hell, in the bigger crossovers, it takes several teams.

In Ultimatum, it took the whole ultimate universe.

I still pick Superman, just based on the fact that he's fucking Superman and his abilities can be stretched just as easily. For every bold liberty Magneto can take, so too can Superman.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but even if Magneto pulls out all of these ridiculous stops and manages to put the screws to Superman for a while, he will still keep getting up and coming for him, and all he really has to do is get in there for one hit. As many abilites and defenses as Magneto may have, if Superman can deliver one punch to his face that's all she wrote.

The only way I see Magneto getting a victory over him is if he manages to find a kryptonian meteor floating by, and bring it in for a landing on Superman's face.
That would do the trick, for a while.

That's why I'd book it as a best out of 3 falls match.

Yeah, the only folks who are really on Magneto's level would be cosmic-powered folks, and even then, he's been able to shrug off attacks from some of the absolute most powerful of them.

I could see Superman being able to take him in an all-out fight, but only if Supes is going full-bore at him right off the bat. Which he wouldn't, because he pretty much always does the stereotypical dumb-hero tactic of woefully underestimating the villain the first time they fight and therefore getting his ass whooped. Someone like General Zod would have a better chance since he's less likely to screw around and just take care of business right away.

The one person who, I think would be a sure bet against Magneto, though? The Flash. Sure, Mags has utter god-like abilities, but he still thinks at the speed of a normal human. Flash could zip around from the other side of the planet, punch Magneto in the face a few thousand times, then head home and read a book before Magneto even knew he was there.

Couldn't Superman do the same thing though? Is this going to break down into the age old conversation about Superman being able to outrun The Flash?

I wish I could find that clip from The Simpsons right now

Yes, when Superman 'cuts loose' he's basically a fucking beast.

Pfft, fucking Batman.

Very true. Magneto can do a pretty damn good job of keeping Superman from getting that first hit in, though--I'm still looking for scans, but I know Magneto's shield has taken hits from some pretty outrageous stuff. Basically, he creates an EM field that prevents atoms from crossing it. It's stopped Cyclops' optic blasts, it's stopped Thor's hammer, it's stopped nukes, and it's stopped attacks from the Phoenix. Unless Superman can actually manipulate atoms at base (and as far as I know, he's never done so before), he'll have to come up with some serious bullshit to get around Magneto's defenses.

Magneto has cut off oxygen supplies before, however, and has deflected light from objects at range. He could theoretically drain the air out of Supes' body while cutting off his solar supply lines, though there's no telling how long Superman can continue to kick with zero air and only his reserve sunlight. If Superman's invincibility is still some sort of "invulnerability field" like I remember it being, then Magneto could, given enough time to bullshit around with (and unless Superman can rearrange atoms or attack Mags psychically that shield will hold up for a long fucking time), strip Superman of his invincibility at its base construction and then... I don't know, hit him with a car or something.

Basically, either one of them would have to do alot of bullshitting to beat the other. It would come down to some serious plot magic for them to not stalemate.

The superman/flash speed debate was solved for good in Flash:Rebirth.

Batman vs Spidey:

"Here's a polymer that'll negate your webbing. Also my ninja training will out-do your Spider-Sense. I have tools that can scale walls faster than you. Just walk to Arkham and it'll be better for you and your family."

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