NXT on Raw (Spoilers)
 

I wanted to make a thread about this instead of putting this in the Raw thread because it might run long and I was going to mention some other stuff not really associated with Raw. I meant to post this last night, but my internet was being an asshole.

I'll begin by saying last's nights ending to the show was not just one of the best endings I have seen in a long time, it was one of the best endings I've ever seen on a wrestlign show period. Sometimes I get the quesiton from people on why I still watch wrestling or I even ask myself that. Well I watch wreslting waiting for moments like last night. The type of moments that leave you shocked, make you mark out, and leave you craving for more.

I thought the segment was perfectly done. The intensity on the NXT guys was amazing. You really believed they wanted to fuck stuff up. Every single one of them played this off perfectly. I also got to give credit to the writers for having them attack CM Punk and then I got to give credit to Punk for trying to fight back at the end there. The attack on CM Punk showed they had no allegiance to anybody. The attack on all the announcers and officials was just something you just don't see ever anymore. Fuck, that stuff didn't even happen in the Attitude era. They just laid out everyone.

Bryan Danielson talking shit to Cena while he was laid out was incredible. Great reaction by him. The writers and wrestlers did a lot of little things that made this whole segment work overall. The crowd ate it up as well, which was great to see. So kudos to everyone for pulling that off. Fucking awesome stuff.



Now, I do want to bring up some other points because I couldn't help but think about this after the segment. Last night's segment showed me the writers understand how to write an intense/make an impact segment. Where the fuck has this segment been for the last 10 years? Where was it in 2001 (WCW) where was it in 2002 (Nwo) Where was it in 2005? (ECW) where was it in 2008 (Legacy). There's a lot of other examples. I mean, they gave these NXT guys the biggest rub of thier wrestling lives last night, but it just irks me that I've been waiting for this segment forever and they book it for the NXT guys. I just really hope that they take them somewhere and it wasn't just to get Season 2 over. If we see Bryan Danielson challenging Cena for the Title at Summerslam, fuck I'll be very happy and everything would have been worth it. But if they do nothing for the next few weeks, then that would really suck.

The WWE has something here and I hope they can keep rolling with it. We can potentialy get months worth of storylines here. You can take this thing to Survivor Series to finally end it. The hardest part is going to be making people care about the Rookies. Last night definately put them in the driver seat. I just hope they can keep this momentum going.

I think that's my longest post in like 3 years

WWE got over every single one of the rookies last night. I never thought I'd see the day where I cared about fucking Slater or Otunga or Tarver.

If they don't follow up on this huge they're making the biggest mistake they could possibly make at this point. This is going to get people talking. People say that things are "nWo-esq" or "Attitude Era-esq", but last night it was legitimately that.

Man forget SS. This should all come down to WM 27! Seriously, I believe they have what it takes to make it go that long. SS is easy enough to do a classic style survivor seris match, then it's elimination chamber correct afterwards? That speaks for itself, RR would be easy, then its on to "The Road to WM".

Is it giving WWE too much credit to say that the entire NXT season was a setup to this? I think back to Sheffield's final promo and it was good and intense. Maybe the whole point was to put these guys in ridiculous gimmicks and make them do ridiculous shit only for them to break out like they did.

Probably is giving them too much credit, but it just happens to seem like that and it works.

To Xero's first reply

I agree. I bet all you guys in chat were marking out. I usually never shut my computer off during Raw, but I had it off last night.

Definately very nWo-esq. Actually, it did remind me of the nWo when they attacked the WCW guys at Universal in 1996.

And when Danielson said "You think you're better then me" to Cena it almost summed up the feelings of every single Indy wrestler and thier fans for the past however many years. That was great

<font color=goldenrod>I don't think this was just a ploy to get over Season 2, because if it was they would have had the Season 2 guys attack.

Plus, they just looked unified - and wore matching armbands. This looks like a legit stable. I really loved seeing guys who appeared to be run-of-the-mill babyfaces ike Slater, Gabriel, Young, etc. just do a 180 and look like total badasses.

There are just SO many places they can go with this - and I hope they don't drop the ball.

I often hear people who have recently been released from WWE say they tend to run a lot of shit on the fly, and things change by the minute - but this really does seem like something that has been planned out for a very long time.</font>

Funny because when wrestlers use to leave ECW or WCW for WWE/F they use to say the samething about them, and thus that being the reason they went to WWE and were so happy at their new home.

At this point I don't think there will be a season 2. They may try to go head with it for a few weeks but the NXT1 guys are going to make it hell for them.

At least, I hope so.

Good to see Cena get his fucking head kicked in

I don't think so. I believe season 1 and 2 guys should be seperated. Season 1 are acting like this because they went through NXT already and felt disrespected and embarassed, so this is their reaction.

Season 2 guys are just happy for their big break in the business, and their not trying to burn bridges, their just trying to compete and impress, and not be so unappreciate like season 1 guys.

Thats how I would approach, Season 1 and Season 2 could not really care for eachother. It would be like the graduating class paying to much attention to the Senior class, whats the point?

NXT 2 cast does things the "right way", they want to work their way up the ladder.

NXT 1 isn't taking shit from anyone.

Seasons clash at Survivor Series, 8 on 8 boils down to Kaval vs. Dragon.

Fuck it, as long as at some point I get Kaval vs. Dragon, I'm happy.

NXT was what disrespected them and embarrassed them. It doesn't make sense for them to completely ignore NXT.

I'm hoping for this to be a war against WWE, not just RAW. I want to see them invade every show.

<font color=goldenrod>If there IS any interaction between the Season 1 and Season 2 guys, I could see Michael McGillicutty being like "Yeah, fuck WWE they stuck me with a shitty name. I am Joe Hennig" or even Michael Hennig, or whatever

That is, if this stable is meant to be an anti-WWE stable, and not just a "let's make an impact" stable</font>

:y:


I agree 100%. Have Punk cut a promo on SD with the SES about how he was "brutally attacked" by a bunch of cowards, only to be jumped again.

What's the biggest stable, number wise, to date in the history of the WWE?

Alliance

<font color=goldenrod>tbh, I don't know if they'll appear tonight. They may show up in the crowd or something, but I don't know if they'll wreak havoc.

If they want to cement that this is an anti-WWE stable, bring them out on SmackDown and let them destroy the ring again</font> :D

The Alliance, those dasdardly WCW and ECW guys headed by Stone Cold, Kurt Angle, and Shane McMahon

How did I forget about that? FFS!

Well, IMO, there is only 1 man who can stop this NXT problem and that is...

I wouldn't mind them showing up on NXT, but I would probably keep the two rosters seperated. Maybe just have them show up in the balcony or something. The reason I say that is because they've already attacked John Cena. They laid waste to the highest person on the roster last night. You got to keep attacking high profile guys imo. Showing up on Smackdown and destroying Swagger would be awesome. And they could be behind the Taker attack. fuck yea

I didn't even read Vito's post, but we're thinking along the same lines

Twice as long as it needed to be. After a point, I just fast forwarded to the end. Loved it otherwise, though.

<font color=goldenrod>I think the only part that dragged on was the second time they were attacking Cena. But even then, it served a point. Each guy got some shots in on the champ.</font>

For once I can say for certain that I have no idea what they are going to do next.

<font color=goldenrod>Thinking about it, the only way they could REALLY fuck this up is if it was just a one-night only thing, or if they all got jobbed out constantly ala the Alliance. Other than that there is virtually no way to not turn this into an intriguing angle of some sort.</font>

Oh fuck off.

Sad thing is I could see them jobbing all the nxt guys.

I think what will save most of these guys is they're all from FCW, which is in essence, paying their dues... even Daniel Bryan figured out how to play the game, and knew to go there before getting onto NXT.

Since they are all homegrown, and it's "Vince's" creation, they may actually book the stable super strong.

Or they'll have HHH attack them all in their houses with their wives and ruin the angle. We'll see.

i loved this ending
its up there with one of the best endings ever

You have no idea what they are going to do NXT* ;).....:shifty:

now that i KNEW was coming, jesus.

Tb1 and I were pretty much flipping our stacks last night when this happened. So unexpected and there was just a very "chaotic" feeling to it all. It was brilliant.

Really hoping that Cole is somehow in on this and becomes the mouth piece for the group. It would work perfectly tbh with the whole angle where "Cole does things Mr. McMahon tells him to do" that was set up in the Cole/Bryan scrap. To justify it Bryan could come out and say that everything that Cole told him previously was dead on and that he didn't want to be a loser any longer, nor did any of the NXT guys. Cole could then reveal later that McMahon gave him "a project" and that he always does what the boss asks him and he always works 100% at everything he ever does (only to be disrespected).

Dunno, this post might be kind of "noid-esque" but I'm terribly excited about this whole deal.

May be "way the fuck off" here but I just found it suspect that Cole split the hell out of there immediately and escaped a massive ass beating.

oh I thougt he got attacked. didn't even realize he was gone. yea, you may be right then.

oh I was also praying for the guy who did the 360 off the top to not fuck that up. I saw a botch happening and I was like please please please hit this.

Can't really add anything except that moment also reminded me while i still watch, and i havent been watching wwe shows much these past few weeks other than certain bits when i can be assed, this has got me interested again.

Word. That was scary, but he hit it perfectly.

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what a dull troll you are.

i always liked tarver he looks like a good heel, glad they did that last night tarver looks like one of there leaders.

How will I suck a cock if I'm hanging myself?

I thought NXT was great from the get go. If this lives up to half it's potential it could be the best thing they've done in forever.

Last night's ending is the best thing the company has done since back when they had an F on the end of their name. Maybe longer.

they made Justin Gabriel look badass, I did not think that that was possible

We are praising the wwe for doing something good, if we didnt then you would moan we complain all the time. Try your best to get your head out your arse before you talk to me again, cheers. :)

are you hitting on me?

Tyler Killer is sexually harrassing me

and you don't have to take it

Tyler Killer wants to roleplay with me apparently

Even after the NXT invasion I hate Heath Slater

I don't mind heath slater, not sure why people hate him.

I still don't really have faith that this'll work out... but at least we got one moment of sheer awesomeness. The first time fans have truly been thrown for a loop.

That was one of the best endings to RAW. It managed to get every NXT rookie over and I want to see where WWE goes with this. They could call them the Next Generation or the Winds of Change if they decide to make them a faction like the Alliance was. They didn't touch Michael Cole which makes me believe in storylines he'll be behind this. Cole is currently my favorite of all the announcers. it was great seeing Striker booted down by Sheffield as I can't stand Striker right now. Justin Roberts and Mark Yeaton were taken out too. Cena put over every rookie and Punk even tried helping him at one point. I think they will take out Orton and Barrett will be in the Fatal Four Way.

ON A SIDENOTE: Did anyone catch the guy sitting behind King and Cole that looked like Orlando Jordan?

The Justin Roberts part was fucking hilarious.

I think they could use the whole ending segment from Ses.1 NXT to their advantage too. Cut a promo talking about after all their hard work they had to keep the spotlight on themselves instead of the NXT guys. So they decided to take the spotlight from them on RAW.


It would be pretty crazy if they showed up on Smackdown and did the same thing.

Here's the thing. Barrett alluded to it in his promo during the middle of RAW. Then they come out and do this badass attack. I have no doubt that Cole is behind this because remember, when this entire beat down was going on, the NXT rookies had surrounded the ring. So if Cole bails, then how does one of them not grab him and beat his ass. It's going to be reallllll interesting to see the way they handle the angle tonight. I would have them show up on NXT tonight, but not do anything. Just in that, we can be anywhere we want badass type sequence.

I see an NXT1 versus NXT2 feud coming...... but that's just me.....

I don't want that, unless the NXT1 rooks go after the NXT2 pros

Apparently Kaval wrote “After what I just saw, I think Cena may need a little help handling NXT1….” on his twitter account. Might suggest what you said.

this angle has also done the impossible, it has actually made Cena interesting/what he's gonna do next.

mmmmm, double stomp to the ginger

It would be pretty crazy if they showed up on Smackdown and did the same thing.[/QUOTE]

I hope the do this.

While Xero, with his exponentially growing insight for the biz, made a great post about a potential plot line for Season 2, We could be missing the BIGGEST PICTURE.




















A third Brand.





It's no secret Superstars sucks, and this is literally a wasted hour of wrestling. Why not have SD! on Syfy, and make NXT the shit on WGN?

THIS Is exactly what I said to the guys I was watching RAW with last night... I said that it was very interesting that Cole was not there at all... I would LOVE to se that the COLE/BRYAN thing was a set up and they are setting up NXT to be some kind of new faction/show...

Think about it, this is another way to start a new brand and get everybody watching... Well, that is my dream response... What I really think that WWE did here was get EVERYBODY to watch NXT tonight...

but they do need to roll with this because we were all sitting around saying what a waste of a 3 hour RAW that was (Except for the dance off) and then BOOM, the last 10 minutes was one of the best segments in wrestling I have EVER seen.... Was very NWO to me... all 8 of those rookies will be remembered now no matter what they do again... even the shitty ones...

Oh, and what I meant was that COLE set all of this up and is like the new Bischoff/eveil mastermind, etc... basically what some of you guys are thinking...

No. The secret is that Superstars DOESN'T suck. Some of the best matches of the week are on it.

I really liked it. Really screamed of NWO which is great.

One quick little thing. 6 weeks ago not even 8 of them couldn't beat Kane. Then they suddenly can lay waste to the entire WWE? C'mon

Also TNA tries to end every fucking show like that and have totally failed everytime. TNA should really be killing themselves if they watched that last night. WWE did a TNA thing much better then TNA could ever dream to do.

Awesome ending to the show.

Rumor has it from the main page that the full FCW roster including the NXT1 and NXT2 rookies are backstage tonight. :love:

Maybe the FCW guys are sick of being "held back" by the main WWE card.

<font color=goldenrod>Hell yes. Can't wait to see where this leads.

I highly doubt NXT 2 is going to go through without a hitch. Prolly will be a ton of disruptions from FCW guys or whatever. Maybe that could be their storyline explanation for when the show goes off the air in October :o Too much chaos.</font>

What rumour? I can't see it.

He just told you it was a rumor. Where else do you have to see it?

Wade Barrett's gonna get Orton's spot at Fatal 4 Way, thats pretty much obvious. Id go as far as to say that he wins the belt by pinning Sheamus or Edge but not Cena. Barrett won't give Cena a rematch (or if he does NXT screws Cena over with interference) and Cena's forced to compete in the MITB match at the PPV to get a title shot.

This actually would be an incredible idea. With that said, this is so not going to happen.

Been watching NXT with my girlfriend. She's not a wrestling fan at all, but she started to get used to the "reality" aspect, and she was actually interested in some of the rookies after a while.

She came home from work at like 10:30 last night, and I'm watching RAW, telling her how absolutely horrible the show has been up until that point, and maybe I ought to just turn it off. Then Punk wins the vote, and she sort of likes Punk from his NXT stuff, so I figured I'd at least see how this stupid train wreck of a show ends.

And then the best ending to a wrestling show in the better part of a decade happens and, honest to God, I think they may have turned my girlfriend into a wrestling fan last night.

Next I want them to actually destroy the production truck. Not nWo "we're invading it" or whatever, but take hammers and crowbars and shit and just wreck it.

Maybe they've got an old one that they could blow up?

<font color=goldenrod>Hmm, with the whole FCW roster being there...wonder if we'll get 60 minutes of Richie Steamboat hitting armdrags on everybody.</font>

.....is his name really Richie?

Apparently so, but when he shows up on WWE he will be called

(loads WWE Rookie Name generator)...

Duke White

There are already 2 heels in Sheamus and Edge in the match already unless next week they are all taken out and Cena is forced to face Barrett, Danielsson, and someone else is their place.

Steve Austin: “well that was interesting.. that RAW ending reminds me of one time when we were filming The Condemned in Australia..on my day off i went swimming in the ocean…and was attacked by 23 great white sharks…the story gets very bloody and gory so i will not tweet the details..but i actually missed…one day of filming because i had to sew an arm and one of my hands back on..and i needed a day of rest so i could heal up 100%…anyhoo..we finished filming the Condemned and i still cant believe i didnt get an Oscar nomination for my turn as Jack Conrad..i was robbed.”

ECW was clearly not booked right, or promoted right. My post hinges on one absolutely critical fact....


That WWE Creative would have learned their lesson about writing a shit show like ECW. If Vinnie wants a third brand, to develop talent in a AAA 'brand' then what better way than the NXT Platform... This somewhat ties into another counterpoint:


The matches are excellent, but ratings wise, SUperstars sucks. why? There's nothing original here. It's pure wrestling, without necessary drama and build up. Sometimes you see some angles spill over, but this show is for wrestling purists...and they aren't tuning in. If you put the kind of pop into NXT that we saw last night, more people will be trying to figure out if they actually have WGN America in their programming package than now.

Alls Im Saying.

You really think that something sucks because not a lot of people watch it? Surely there's a better way of saying what you were trying to say.

Okay, ahem, perhaps the ratings don't suck....
They leave a lot to be desired from Vince McMahon and his financial stakeholders.

I was gonna go with a witty acronym like Severely Uderperforming Considering that Kids love WWE!

That was awesome. Best closing to Raw in years. The only thing I didn't like was that CM Punk was involved. It should have been Cena vs. a babyface in the main event.

<font color=goldenrod>I can't help but feel a little leery every time they do a hostile takeover/invasion/make a statement/whatever storyline.

There will always be this one fleeting moment of awesome, which is good. But if next week they have Wade Barrett come out and it turns out he planned this with the rookies just to make a statement, and nothing more than that...they will have just wasted their best angle in nearly a decade.

Fortunately, the conclusion of the NXT Season 2 premiere is making me think this will be a long-term angle, which is awesome. Hope they don't drop the ball here, because they have the chance to make a legit main eventer (Barrett) plus make some other guys in the group (Bryan) look really strong.</font>

You're an idiot. CM Punk being involved makes it more awesome than it would've been.