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Kalyx triaD 06-10-2010 12:12 PM

Mortal Kombat (XB360/PS3)
 

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- Tweaked MKvDC (the likely and safe way to go).
- Dramatic Battles.
- Tag-Team Battles (supports 4plyrs, an ace in the hole imo)
- Possibly 'strict' 2D gameplay.
- Enhanced combo system.

First of all, I knew off-bat they weren't reinventing shit, not with Boon at the helm. Same stiff animation and all. However, if they could alter the MKvDC engine a bit, and hearken back to MK3's style - we have their first fighting game in years.

BigDaddyCool 06-10-2010 01:31 PM

Meh...Why do they just keep remaking mortal kombat, does it really sell that well?

Fignuts 06-10-2010 02:05 PM

Mortal Kombat has the best storyline and arguably the most interesting characters. The actual gameplay isn't bad, it just isn't as good as the other major fighting game titles.

Good to see traditional fatalities are back. I hope they have everyone again, like in the last one.

BigDaddyCool 06-10-2010 02:07 PM

Ok, well I can see this looks like just a reboot of the original mortal kombats.

Nowhere Man 06-10-2010 02:15 PM

Eh, I figure I'll give this one a rental. MK hasn't exactly been spectacular in a long time, but they're still decent fun.

Fignuts 06-10-2010 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 3104846)
Ok, well I can see this looks like just a reboot of the original mortal kombats.

How do you figure it's a reboot and not a sequel?

BigDaddyCool 06-10-2010 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 3104864)
How do you figure it's a reboot and not a sequel?

1) It is called Mortal Kombat with no numbers
2) It looks very much like the original ones with updated stuff
3) It could be a sequel that is meant as an homage to the originals before it got all ridiculous.

BillyBonez 06-10-2010 03:19 PM



This looks F'N awesome, MK 1 was one of the first games that got me into bein a gamer and I have mad memories of playing it back when they had arcade machines. MK2 was imo, the best fighting game of all time. Then with MK4 it began to suck, but this looks like it will bring it back into greatness.




#BROKEN Hasney 06-10-2010 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 3104866)
1) It is called Mortal Kombat with no numbers
2) It looks very much like the original ones with updated stuff
3) It could be a sequel that is meant as an homage to the originals before it got all ridiculous.

They're all ridiculous. I didn't play any 3D one past 4, but 1-3 they all had the same fucking moves bar 1 or 2 specials. Shockingly poor games.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-10-2010 03:28 PM

It was a fighting game created for people who were shit at fighting games. And like to masturbate over M rated titles.

alvarado52 06-10-2010 03:42 PM

yes, lord knows any REAL fighting game 1337 pr0 has never, or would never, TOUCH a MK game :roll:

Kalyx triaD 06-10-2010 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hasney (Post 3105007)
It was a fighting game created by people who were shit at fighting games. And like to masturbate over M rated titles.

There was a hint of quality in Deadly Alliance, which diminished in Deception, and was lost in every game since. They simply weren't interested in making a fighting game (and failed at making a 'smash' fighter as well if they wanna pull that excuse).

Just lagging behind the landscape... utterly embarrassing American contribution to the genre.

Still, I can hope for quality within MK trilogy's ballpark (N64 ver.). For the most park all they'd need to do is update/correct vsDC's gameplay which was a broad step in the right direction.

alvarado52 06-10-2010 03:54 PM

also, where the fuck is Scorpion in that trailer?

D Mac 06-10-2010 04:12 PM

Looks awesome.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-10-2010 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvarado52 (Post 3105041)
yes, lord knows any REAL fighting game 1337 pr0 has never, or would never, TOUCH a MK game :roll:

I'm not saying people can't enjoy it's qualities. It's just that gameplay and depth aren't present in the series.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-10-2010 04:15 PM

It's like whacking off to a homemade cameraphone clip on a flash streaming site.

Sure, it will do the trick, but there's HD porn with hotter chicks out there that you could be watching.

Khuntry 06-10-2010 04:16 PM

Mortal Komeback?

#BROKEN Hasney 06-10-2010 04:19 PM

I think I was describing a Mortal Komeshot.

alvarado52 06-10-2010 05:01 PM

nobody watches HD porn. That's just gross.

Brujesino 06-10-2010 05:18 PM

Looking forward to this game.Looks like a 1st day buy to me.

Emperor Smeat 06-10-2010 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvarado52 (Post 3105066)
also, where the fuck is Scorpion in that trailer?

Scorpion is still busy in the police station from the other trailer :shifty:

Juan 06-10-2010 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujesino (Post 3105317)
Looking forward to this game.Looks like a 1st day buy to me.


El Capitano Gatisto 06-10-2010 08:04 PM

Looks great. Hopefully Goro is playable. I always wanted to be that bastard.

Reavant 06-10-2010 09:17 PM

Looks awesome... especially when sub zero forms a sword and impales his opponent.

also looks like a remake of mk2 with sonya in shackles in shao kahn's arena

Kalyx triaD 06-10-2010 09:24 PM

Was that Sonya? Thought it was Kira.

Jeritron 06-10-2010 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 3104793)
Meh...Why do they just keep remaking mortal kombat, does it really sell that well?

I think people are really just marks for the characters and the nostalgia factor. I can't say that I'm not, even though I don't own an MK game past the 3rd on Sega.

I do play them when friends have them though. Not a big fighter guy, but aside from Street Fighter stuff this is probably the series I most enjoy. And Soul Calibur maybe.

Boomer 06-10-2010 10:28 PM

I wish they could make the juggling look better. I dunno...I guess I can't really look at an MK game from a quality standpoint or take it seriously.

LuigiD 06-10-2010 10:35 PM

I really like what they are doing.
However, I would hope they switch back to 2D..if not, the interest is gone. After several MK games that all played the same and were terribly boring..I really don't care for another one..even if fatalities are back.

DAMN iNATOR 06-11-2010 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto (Post 3105548)
Looks great. Hopefully Goro is playable. I always wanted to be that bastard.

I assume you must mean without the aid of codes, as in the N64 game Mortal Kombat 4, you could play as Goro using the code or do some set of "press such-and-such at the menu and then do this and that".

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Reavant 06-11-2010 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 3105669)
Was that Sonya? Thought it was Kira.

i assumed it was sonya i guess

Emperor Smeat 06-11-2010 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Capitano Gatisto (Post 3105548)
Looks great. Hopefully Goro is playable. I always wanted to be that bastard.

He was playable in Mortal Kombat 4, MK Trilogy (console only), MK Gold (cheat only), MK Deception (Gamecube only), MK Unchained (only on PSP), and MK Armageddon.

Don't think he was ever playable in any arcade version except MK 4.

Vietnamese Crippler 06-12-2010 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 3106539)
i assumed it was sonya i guess

Definitely Kira.

Funky Fly 06-13-2010 06:10 PM

Um, yay? :?:

Dunno. Every time MK's rolled out a new game in the last 10 years, it's been basically the same old shit with a few minor (sold as major) bells and whistles.

Juan 06-13-2010 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 3109936)
Um, yay? :?:

Dunno. Every time MK's rolled out a new game in the last 10 years, it's been basically the same old shit with a few minor (sold as major) bells and whistles.

Off topic but, I feel the exact way about WWE SvR

Funky Fly 06-14-2010 03:19 AM

That's because it's in exactly the same situation.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-14-2010 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 3111086)
That's because it's in exactly the same situation.

Major difference though is that MK doesn't come out every year. They don't even have an excuse for their lack of changes.

Funky Fly 06-14-2010 05:27 AM

For whatever reason, I end up getting the new one every time. Probably because enough time goes by between them that I forget how stupid the last one was. Not gonna fall for it this time tho... that's not true. I'll bargain bin it then still feel ripped off.

D Mac 06-14-2010 07:06 AM

Dunno looks pretty kickass to me.

Funky Fly 06-14-2010 08:04 AM

Nothing's changed. Looks like they took MK Armageddon and slapped it together with MK vs DC (sans DC characters obv) and then added shit that's already in older fighters (the dramatic battles from Street Fighter Alpha 2 Gold/3 and tag battle from Tekken Tag Tournament/SoulCalibur 2).

Reavant 06-14-2010 02:05 PM

whatever its mortal kombat and it rules

Mr. Nerfect 06-14-2010 05:38 PM

I always loved playing the Mortal Kombat fighters when I was younger. It makes me very happy to see Sektor back and Teleport Uppercutting shit. But the general feel of it has a "take the classic elements of Mortal Kombat and make a new game" vibe to it. Nothing is really confirmed about the story (other than it will apparently be the deepest storyline in fighting game history), but it just sort of seems like a remake/reboot as many have predicted.

I'm okay with that, as it'd be the first time the series has gone "back to roots" with its main fighting line. Also, judging by some of the roster inclusions (Reptile, Mileena, Sektor) they'll be paying a bit of lip service to the fans this time around. Often they just throw shit at a wall and see what sticks. I think Warner Bros. purchasing the series has gotten them to step-up and deliver something that people actually want to play -- although they are defintely weary (and rightfull so, admittedly) about just how much faith they place in the renewed franchise. Keep an eye on this title, however.

Scorpion is pretty much a given, by the way. No one should be too concerned about him not being in the trailer.

Reavant 06-14-2010 07:00 PM

actually this might not be a reboot... I think this because scorpion is not in the trailer but shao kahn is fighting raiden. By the end of deception and Armageddon, scorpion became one of the most powerful characters in the game, so he might be a boss.

Reavant 06-14-2010 07:04 PM

in the trailer...

Sub Zero
Johnny Cage
Shao Kahn
Raiden
Mileena
Reptile
Nightwolf
Sector
Kung Lao

Kira shackled

Fignuts 06-14-2010 08:07 PM

Yeah, it's definitely not a reboot.

Verbose Minch 06-14-2010 08:16 PM

The only reason Mortal Kombat sells is because of nostalgia.

Reavant 06-14-2010 10:24 PM

and the characters are fuckin cool

Reavant 06-14-2010 11:13 PM

urgh apparently it is a complete reboot of the franchise

Cooler Tom Schuler 06-14-2010 11:30 PM

No Johnny Cage, no deal.

Reavant 06-14-2010 11:32 PM

hes in it

Vietnamese Crippler 06-15-2010 12:36 AM

Obvious someone decided not to watch the trailer.

Funky Fly 06-15-2010 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 3112961)
urgh apparently it is a complete reboot of the franchise

1. Source?

2. That's not so bad if they can reduce the amount of 90s cheese in the story. Been reading Witchblade lately and it took 10 years before it got kinda good. Fuck the 90s when it comes to comics and violent videogames.

Reavant 06-15-2010 01:52 PM

http://www.kamidogu.com/

Quote:

Earlier today the Mortal Kombat team, now officially known as NetherRealm Studios, unveiled the first teaser trailer for the ninth game in the Mortal Kombat series titled Mortal Kombat. The game will be a series reboot, aiming to re-estabilish the franchise as a fresh and brutal fighter.

ClockShot 06-15-2010 03:29 PM

My man Kung Lao looks pretty nasty in this. But I always hated the Tablesaw fatality.

BillyBonez 06-15-2010 03:31 PM



They company needs to think about "What made MK so popular in the first place?" and develop it better to make MK popular enough.

The answer is VIOLENCE so they need to make this game more violent. Imagine how cool it would be if when fighting, u could rip body parts off your opponent but she would still keep going, like, u can lose, arms, feet, have holes in yo clothes and body and still fight until one character just crumbles into pieces.

Now that would establish MK again!


Kalyx triaD 06-15-2010 03:33 PM

Ed, is that you?

#BROKEN Hasney 06-15-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyBonez (Post 3114335)


They company needs to think about "What made MK so popular in the first place?" and develop it better to make MK popular enough.

The answer is VIOLENCE so they need to make this game more violent. Imagine how cool it would be if when fighting, u could rip body parts off your opponent but she would still keep going, like, u can lose, arms, feet, have holes in yo clothes and body and still fight until one character just crumbles into pieces.

Now that would establish MK again!


Worst idea I have ever heard in the history of tpww.net/forums .

This includes singledad661 deciding to upload his junk.

BillyBonez 06-15-2010 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hasney (Post 3114340)
Worst idea I have ever heard in the history of tpww.net/forums .

This includes singledad661 deciding to upload his junk.

Thanks for NOT contributing anything to the conversation! Not how about u explain whats so bad in my idea. BTW, I think if they made a MK game using my idea u'd be playing it all night long.

I dunno how u can say no to a game where u can rip ur opponent to pieces litraly as u fight unless ur some fat housewife or grandma lol

Kalyx triaD 06-15-2010 03:46 PM

I'm self aware enough to see you're a caricature of myself.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-15-2010 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyBonez (Post 3114352)
Thanks for NOT contributing anything to the conversation! Not how about u explain whats so bad in my idea. BTW, I think if they made a MK game using my idea u'd be playing it all night long.

I dunno how u can say no to a game where u can rip ur opponent to pieces litraly as u fight unless ur some fat housewife or grandma lol

Probably due to the lack of gameplay in the idea.

Plus the lack of masturbating to pointless violence since I'm not 11 years old. I was 8 when the first one came out, so it seemed kinda cool. Now it's just a snigger during fatalities, if backed up by gameplay (which is where the series has always lacked AND SHOULD BE WHERE THE FOCUS IS) then it will be alright.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-15-2010 03:48 PM

SIDE NOTE: I said "coooool" really loud after an announcement that a train was delayed due to fatality when I was 9, not knowing that it meant literal death. I thought someone had just finished a fight on the train tracks or something.

I was hit very hard.

BillyBonez 06-15-2010 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hasney (Post 3114355)
Probably due to the lack of gameplay in the idea.

Plus the lack of masturbating of pointless violence since I'm not 11 years old. I was 8 when the first one came out, so it seemed kinda cool. Now it's just a snigger during fatalities, if backed up by gameplay (which is where the series has always lacked AND SHOULD BE WHERE THE FOCUS IS) then it will be alright.

But bro thats part of the gameplay. Its not just pointless violence, if ur character has an arm ripped off he cant use it anymore, so u have to compromise and the more damage ur guy takes and the more hurt he is the slower he moves. If he gets his legs ripped off then he will have to fight crawling.

Come on thats something no fighting game done and will bring a new direction to gameplay. Like if a character has 6 arms like Kintaro or something, he will have an advantage due to having more arms cause even if one gets ripped off he still has more than u so u will need to pick a strategy of moves to rip his arms off first.

#BROKEN Hasney 06-15-2010 03:50 PM

Fine, I'll bite.

How would you balance it?

Vietnamese Crippler 06-15-2010 11:39 PM

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/109/1098513p1.html

Glad to see the story is still pretty ridiculous.

Funky Fly 06-15-2010 11:56 PM

That article talks a big game, but I'm betting it's really no different than the last 4 games.

D Mac 06-16-2010 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyBonez (Post 3114335)


They company needs to think about "What made MK so popular in the first place?" and develop it better to make MK popular enough.

The answer is VIOLENCE so they need to make this game more violent. Imagine how cool it would be if when fighting, u could rip body parts off your opponent but she would still keep going, like, u can lose, arms, feet, have holes in yo clothes and body and still fight until one character just crumbles into pieces.

Now that would establish MK again!


Looks like the new one is gonna be pretty bloody to me. Kung Lao dragging some poor fucker crotch first into his spinning hat blade? That's pretty fucking violent.

Kalyx triaD 06-16-2010 05:12 PM

LOL at Midway having the sense to regulate assists during tag team play with meter cost. Irony of the highest order.

Kalyx triaD 06-17-2010 07:00 AM

Some of these fatalities actually made me squirm. Some mean shit.

Reavant 06-17-2010 11:54 AM

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Reavant 06-17-2010 11:54 AM

oh yes...

Innovator 06-17-2010 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 3114354)
I'm self aware enough to see you're a caricature of myself.

YOU'RE SKYNET??!

BigDaddyCool 06-17-2010 12:12 PM

No, he is just a dork living with his mom.

Reavant 06-17-2010 02:38 PM

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BigDaddyCool 06-17-2010 02:45 PM

I love how fighting games where all you do it fight think they need story lines. But their story lines are easily the most conveluted, overly complex head scratchers ever. Why do you need a huge epic story for "A bunch of gods, monsters, and people wanted to have a fighting tournment." There, story done.

Reavant 06-17-2010 03:21 PM

Stop it

BigDaddyCool 06-17-2010 03:25 PM

Also, wasn't there already a fighting game that showed when your broke a dudes leg with a punch or something and did an exrteme x-ray veiw.

Still have fun with it. Don't let me ruin your game.

Reavant 06-17-2010 03:28 PM

Blitz the league did that

D Mac 06-17-2010 03:45 PM

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LOL SWEET

D Mac 06-17-2010 03:47 PM

Is the movie theme in this game? That would rule.

Kalyx triaD 06-17-2010 04:10 PM

No. But with custom soundtracks you can have the first movie's soundtrack booming.

BigDaddyCool 06-17-2010 04:11 PM

That sounds like a lot of extra work. They should have just done that DM said. I don't want to customize a sound track with songs that really should be in it.

Funky Fly 06-17-2010 05:10 PM

That video was bullshit. No gameplay, just fatalities. Not sold on this yet.

BillyBonez 06-17-2010 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hasney (Post 3114366)
Fine, I'll bite.

How would you balance it?

What do u mean?

U can still fight if some guy rips off ur arms by biting and kicking with ur feet and crawling on the ground, like u can bite they ankle off or something. I mean its MK not real life...

Reavant 06-17-2010 06:41 PM

shut up

Jeritron 06-17-2010 06:44 PM

I kinda hate storylines in fighting games. No thank you. I'm all set with just fighting. I would say the same thing about storylines in racing games, or any kind tournament type game like that.
I don't need a storyline in Mortal Kombat or Marvel vs Capcom anymore than I need one in Mario Kart.
I think there's a loose storyline in Smash Bros. too. Who cares? It's about having random characters fight eachother with friends.
I can get a story in an adventure game where it's far less forced.

BillyBonez 06-17-2010 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 3118707)
I kinda hate storylines in fighting games. No thank you. I'm all set with just fighting. I would say the same thing about storylines in racing games, or any kind tournament type game like that.
I don't need a storyline in Mortal Kombat or Marvel vs Capcom anymore than I need one in Mario Kart.
I think there's a loose storyline in Smash Bros. too. Who cares? It's about having random characters fight eachother with friends.
I can get a story in an adventure game where it's far less forced.

Storylines make it better tho and single player is pointless without storylines but then again nobody plays single player besides for practice anyway...

Jeritron 06-17-2010 07:13 PM

I'm saying that I don't think storylines make it better. Single player is not pointless without a storyline. You go through the characters in the game one by one, right up the ladder until you beat it.
The story is tremendously limited since it has to wrap itself around that format.
It's ultimately the arcade ladder-climb format regardless of an injected storyline, so why bother?

Mr. Nerfect 06-17-2010 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool (Post 3118398)
Also, wasn't there already a fighting game that showed when your broke a dudes leg with a punch or something and did an exrteme x-ray veiw.

Who cares? Wasn't there already a fighting game where they punch? Let's stop the presses.

Also, I can't get into fighting games without stories or good characters. Who am I playing as? Why? Why do I give a shit if I win or lose? Yeah, I'm not an ape. I'm close to it, but I like some method behind by violence, thank you. I don't have the attention span to give my time to a video game that is giving me nothing to think about back.

That attention span is probably Mortal Kombat's fault in the first place, but I digress.

Mr. Nerfect 06-17-2010 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funky Fly (Post 3118550)
That video was bullshit. No gameplay, just fatalities. Not sold on this yet.

I'm still weary. I'm more than likely going to get this game, just so that I have a fun fighter to chomp away a few hours with when bored regardless, but I'm not exactly expecting this to be a classic.

But everything they've given us so far has been indicative that they want to take the best elements of Mortal Kombat, and go back to them. The art-style, the characters, the special moves, etc. are all so familiar to anyone that played a MK game in the early to mid-nineties. They're introducing new gameplay modes that don't sound too offensive, either. Team Kombat could be a lot of fun, and this special bar isn't exactly the deepest tool, but it could be cool. The idea of souping-up your special moves is interesting.

Jeritron 06-17-2010 07:27 PM

I just view the genre differently then. I'm not worried about what the match means for the character or his/her traits.
I could care less about that aspect of it. I am playing to beat a friend or the computer and satisfy the competitive drive within me.
I will choose a character based on how good they are, not their backstory going into a 3 round slobberknocker.

I could care less why the worlds of Mortal Kombat and DC are coming together, or Marvel and Capcom, or various video game characters in Smash Bros.
I see it as them all being in the same game because it's a cool novelty that will please the masses, and as a result sell a lot of video games.

If people enjoy the storylines, that's fine but I personally don't see the need for them at all. Fighting/racing/sports games are a whole different thing to me than single player adventure games.

Destor 06-17-2010 08:41 PM

The mythology of mortal kombat is the selling point for me

Jeritron 06-17-2010 08:46 PM

I definitely get into the Mortal Kombat character archetypes and universe more. That's why I'd rather play MK and Street Fighter games more than any fighting game.
Because of their legacy and the world they populate. Sub Zero, Scorpion and the crew are just cooler.
In that respect, I enjoy the mythology but I'm not really interested in much of a storyline when I pop the games in.

Funky Fly 06-18-2010 02:51 AM

There are 4569874367 fighters that don't have much story. In fact, there are more fighters that have less than there are with more. Even still, 99% of the ones with deep story don't really require you to follow it. Just press start and skip right past that shit.

Check out the Guilty Gear series and see what I mean. There's a (fucked up) story, but you're really only playing for heavy metal bat shit crazy action.

Khuntry 06-18-2010 12:24 PM

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Khuntry 06-18-2010 12:28 PM

So far i'm really digging the presentation overall. The models look great (the insides and all that x-ray stuff), the stages look awesome too.

BigDaddyCool 06-18-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Khuntry (Post 3120311)
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BigDaddyCool 06-18-2010 12:42 PM

Also, I always like making my own stories up as I went through.

Reavant 06-18-2010 02:04 PM

i got a boner watching that

Kalyx triaD 06-18-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Khuntry (Post 3120320)
So far i'm really digging the presentation overall. The models look great (the insides and all that x-ray stuff), the stages look awesome too.

Can't even believe this is coming from you.

Kalyx triaD 06-18-2010 02:29 PM

Online tag mode accepting guests almost makes me wanna apologize for everything I said about Boon. Almost.

Fignuts 06-18-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeritron (Post 3118857)
I definitely get into the Mortal Kombat character archetypes and universe more. That's why I'd rather play MK and Street Fighter games more than any fighting game.
Because of their legacy and the world they populate. Sub Zero, Scorpion and the crew are just cooler.
In that respect, I enjoy the mythology but I'm not really interested in much of a storyline when I pop the games in.

Super Street Fighter 4 has probably the worst story ever. You seriously don't even know why most of these people are fighting. For example, Abel finds a puppy, and that's his story. When you beat the game, he comes back and pets the puppy. That's it? Want to know why Gouken wasn't around all this time? HE WAS ASLEEP! That's seriously the best they could come up with for Ryu and Ken's master. He just took a really long nap.

Fucking retards.


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