In which sports are we currently looking at the greatest player?
 

I quite like these kind of thread because I get to learn little tidbits about sports I don't care about.

Off the top of my head you got Roger Federer who's just phenomenal, Usain Bolt who holds something like 8 of the top 20 100m times and 5 of the top 20 200m and is clearly a massive freak who just decimates all before him.

After that you've got Woods for the golf, obviously hasn't caught Nicklaus yet but lets face it he will so I'd have him in there.

I'll throw Phil Taylor in because theres such a frankly ridiculous gap in talent between him and the rest of the darts world despite darts being a tenuous one to throw in here given they are all fat pissheads.

Albert Pujols, Kobe Bryant

I didn't learn any tidbits there, no idea who Pujols is even. I've googled him and he is a baseball player. Despite my ignorance to the sport I'm not having someone who's name I've literally never heard before is the best ever surely

Nadal is better then Federer.

What about Messi(sp) from Argentina? Is he the best football player in the world?

Albert Pujols is not the greatest baseball player ever. Kobe isn't the best baller either although he's a lot closer than Pujols is.

Peyton Manning will probably go down as the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

I misunderstood the questions. Thought you were asking who is the best player in their sport right now.

No best all time that happens to be currently playing

Hes best in the world right now, certainly in the top 2 of my lifetime in my opinion only one that can challenge him in terms of brilliance is fat Ronaldo in his prime. He'll have to do it for longer to be considered better than your Maradona and Pele's though. He'll really need to drag Argentina to a world cup I suppose.

Two years ago I would have said LaDanian Tomlinson. He was bound to break every single scoring record. Then he fell apart and is a backup on a new team.

Yeah I fucked up to.

Even though he probably won't be e greatest ever, bu he wiill be the 10-5 best players ever. i' m holding out hope he will be the best player ever though.

Kevin Durant of the oklaholma City thunder. I'm telling you Ogen you will want to follow his career. He plays in the NBA.

ronnie o'sullivan is another obvious one, i suppose.

i think anderson silva probably has a good shot at being the best ever p4p mma fighter, but he has the same batshit insane thing going on that o sullivan has half the time.

I wouldn't call Messi the greatest. It seems every two years there is always a new greatest player in the world. Ronaldino was given the name before him, Ronaldo, etc.

Yeah but of those 2 you've compared him with one of them was the best I've ever seen until Messi this year.

Then as for Tennis. Federer is better then Nadal all time obviously.

I don't know if Federer is the greatest tennis player of all time though. I don't know if this makes sense, but he is probably the most well rounded player ever. He was at either 1 or 2 on any surface, and he has a career grand slam. However if you put Sampras up against Federer both in their primes on Center Court at Wimbledon... I think Sampras wins.

I think Sampras serve would just over powerful anything Federer could throw at him.

I think Pujols will break most hitting records. Kobe Bryant is not even close to being the best of all time. Manning will probably the best quarterback when he retires.

Excuse me, Mr St-Pierre hasnt died.

Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Joe DiMaggio, Honus Wagner, Ken Griffey Jr, Reggie Jackson, and many others.

Michael Jordan, Wilt Chamberlin, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Larry Bird...

st pierre is efficient. seems like he is unwilling to take any kind of risk in order to cement 'his legacy' and has become a bit dull to watch because of it.

No one will ever surpass Michael Jordan as greatest NBA player ever, but Kobe Bryant is currently the best player in the NBA.

5 time NBA Champion
2 time NBA Finals MVP
2008 Season MVP
2 time NBA scoring Champion
12 time NBA All-Star
3 time NBA All-Star MVP
12-time All-NBA selection
10-time All-Defensive selection
NBA All-Rookie selection
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion
2nd most points in a game: 81
Most points scored at Madison Square Garden: 61
Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12
Most three-point field goals made, one half: 8
Most free throws made, four-game playoff series: 51
Youngest player to score 18,000 points
Youngest player to score 20,000 points
Youngest player to score 23,000 points
Youngest player to score 24,000 points
Youngest player to score 25,000 points
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Rookie Team
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team
Youngest player to start a game
Youngest player to start an All-Star game
Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years

Plus a shit ton more Lakers franchise records he holds

You've underlined currently like thats the relevant point to all of this there Juan. Are people still confused by the question somehow.

No I get it, I know how to read, that's why I said no one will ever be better than Jordan, but I think Kobe deserves an honorable mention because it may be 100 years before we ever see another Jordan.

LeBron is the greatest of all time.

Just ask LeBron, he'll tell you the same.

We've seen some phenomonal cricketers, the likes of tendulkar, lara, warne. Certainly regarded by many as the greatest ever.
For rugby, players like Daniel Carter, Richie McCaw, could all come pretty close

You could argue that Martin Brodeur is the greatest goaltender in NHL history. I know some don't agree, but he's definitley top 3 at the very least.

Peyton Manning easily

PAUL SCHOLES is better. But I have the privilege of watching him every week. still got it. great season last year for him.

He's not even the best now. Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady (debatable because he cheated), Bret Favre (not currently, but taking the overall body of work), are better current players. Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw are better all time. Manning may be a better passer statistically, but not a better Quarterback.

Reason:
Joe Montana-
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Terry Bradshaw-
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Sure, LOL Big Ben all you want. 14-0 & made it to the AFC Championship game his rookie year, Super Bowl Champion his second, repeated in '08. 2nd youngest QB to play in a Super Bowl, youngest QB to ever win it. Twice as many rings as the great Manning.

If Stats mean more than that, Vinnie Testiverde is one of the all-time greats.

No chance is Nadal better than Federer. He matches up well against him because Federer's only weakness is the high backhand...the spot Nadal can most easily hit to.

BUT TO ANSER THE Q

Federer, Michael Phelps, Woods...That's all in my books.

Kobe is a great player but no way would MJ go 6-24 in a game 7. Kobe also had a few other crappy games that series

Linebackers aren't the leader of the team, nor to they have the ball every play.

No, but Joe Montana is

Peyton Manning's statistics are honestly amazing. There's no doubt about that, or his legacy, but I'd honestly much rather have Tom Brady quarterbacking my team

Probably not, but Marino never had decent players around him either. Manning doesn't have that excuse. Just the opposite, if Manning had taken his mind off his own stat sheet and let Edge run the ball more, he may have more Super Bowls.

Some classic Reverend here

I kinda wish I hadn't used my title in my name. I take my religion seriously, this site not so much.

Yes. Ben was able to use the great players around him to win games and championships. Manning has done this once, and hasn't figured out that it works enough to keep doing it. Manning is the better passer, there's no arguement about that, but he's not the better Quarterback. Playmakers break records, Game Managers win championships.

So do you think Ben Roethlisberger is the best QB in the NFL right now, Hallowell?

It's not like Silva puts on stellar performances everytime. GSP has been pretty dominant, he hasn't lost a round in like 5 fights. He's beaten beaten Penn and Hughes twice, cleaned out his division, and if he can beat Silva he can retire as the greatest of all time at that point.

If not, he's in the top three. Even NFL analysts will tell you that.

Good call referencing the NFL analysts

Top 5 current and Top 5 Alltime, please

Current:
1. Roethlisberger
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Brady (would be ranked higher if he didn't cheat)
5. Favre

All Time:
1. Joe Montana
2. Terry Bradshaw
3. Roger Staubach
4. Bart Starr
5. John Elway

That list is shit flavored poop

Why? No Romo or Palmer?

Who would be your top 5?

Tony Romo is garbage and I loathe the Cowboys, but nice stab

My top 5 is Tom Brady

the fact that you have Terry Bradshaw above John Elway boggles my mind

What a piece of shit Steelers homer.

Like seriously, what a stupid ignorant fuck.

This is the reason Pittsburgh fans are the most retarded wastes of semen on the planet. No fucking knowledge of sports AT ALL. Just a pile of dumbshit douchebags waving their faggoty towels in the air like a bunch of pathetic failed abortions.

The only person on that list that I would for sure put on my list is John Elway. Joe Montana was a bit over-rated; if he made my list he certainly wouldn't be number one. Terry Bradshaw probably wouldn't even be in my Top 25. Don't know how you could put Staubach and Bart Starr on there and not even mention Johnny Unitas. I would probably put one of them on it though. Might as well put Y.A. Tittle on there while you're at it.

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Rev, do you understand how football actually works?

I went ahead and underlined the ones are meaningless here.

i think silva just has that slightly mental self-destructive tweak that a few of the greatest have, like george best and maradona and ronnie o sullivan etc.

Well, I could go ahead and post about 50 more, but I get the feeling that your minds made up.

You could make a case for Ray Lewis being the greatest linebacker of all time. I probably wouldn't say that though. Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end of all time most likely.

Show me where I said I was unbiased.

How is Roethlisberger the top quarterback in the NFL when he is gonna miss quarter of the season for date raping a girl?

Fixed it for ya, guy. :y:

Thanks, I needed that.

And also

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He's not a playmaker. He's a game manager. That's how

For a guy who claims to have a genius IQ, Rev. Hallowell sure says a lot of retarded things.

Tony Romo isn't garbage. In fact few quaterbacks have a better statistical start to there careers. He'd third on the all time QB ratings list. I think people comtempt for the Cowboys is what makes them say 'Romo sucks'.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I don't recognize that he is a great player- probably top 5 all-time. It's just that some of those records don't really have any bearing on that.

Again, the records aren't meaningless in general, just irrelevant when looking at how great a player they are.

His inability to win any important games tends to lead to that as well

He's been in the league for 3 fulls seasons FFS. Not everyone gets to play for Bill Belicheck or Cowar in their first season. He's only played in two post seasons. I used to hate on Romo too, but after watching him last season, you can't say that he is garbage. He's a top 10 QB easily.

Peyton Manning, who will likely retire as the greatest of all time didnt win anything in the post season for like 7 years.

I'm using a little hyperbole to express how overrated he is. He's nowhere near this conversation, that's my point.

Oh, well still, I will molest you.

If I'm forced to rank, it's really just between Brady and Manning for the 1 and 2 spot. I'll give Brees and Rodgers the distant 3 and 4.
It's between Roethlisberger and Rivers for the 5th, I guess, but they're nowhere near Brady or Manning so does it even really matter?
That's my point, Reverend. Saying "Big Ben" is in their league, or going as far as to say he's better, is just uncalled for.

Roethlisberger and Rivers both rank ahead of rodgers. Rodgers isn't much better than Romo IMO.

Infact Rivers has shown a greater inability to win big games than Tony Romo. The Chargers have had one of the better teams in the league for the last 5 years, and Rivers hasn't won anything.

Are you serious? I am a Packers fan, so take this with a grain of salt, but Rodgers is a much better player than Romo. He's smarter, it's undebatable that he's a faster, better runner, AND I've been drinking.

I think Rodgers is great. I love the way he throws the ball, and I love watching him play.

But Drew Bress is currently the best QB playing today.

Aaron Rodgers is one of the top QBs right now, he carried my fantasy team last year.

No doubt about that. I'm realistic. I do overvalue Rodgers a bit, but I know he's not the best. Top 5, though, for sure.

Ovechkin and Crosby are the best of the current generation for sure.

Current generation spanning 5 years? Throw Malkin in with Ovie and Crosby. If it weren't for Malkin carrying the team on his back Crosby would still have no cups. It's far too early in their careers to put them up with the greats.

I'm a Steelers fan but to be honest can't stand Ben. Never did really. He's in the top 5 of the league but not at the top.

1.Manning
2.Brady
3.Brees
4.Roethlisberger
5. Rivers

Also wanted to point out to the guy talking about the Towels... If they are so faggoty why has about every team tried to bring out their own version of it?

Also a Pens fan but Gretzky > Ovie or Crosby

Ronaldo 1994-1998 is probably the best footballer anyone will ever see. He was still a great, great player, one of the best ever, later in his career, but for those years he was just absolutely stunningly brilliant. Unstoppable is the word. He had absolutely everything - equally strong on either foot, unbelievably quick with astonishing acceleration, a massive strong beast with sublime, absolutely absurd skill and the deadliest finisher I have ever seen aside from Romario. Still a fan of Fat Ronaldo today, in fact I'd have still brought him to the World Cup if I had a say in Brazil national football team selection.

Ronaldo was also doing Ronaldinho's signature "flip-flap" thing years before Ronaldinho did it. Ronaldinho was enormously skillful but a very overrated footballer, in my opinion. I think Rivaldo was a better player without getting close to the same adulation and Ronaldinho has no place really being called anywhere close to one of the best ever. He had a couple of good seasons but one game vs. Real Madrid at the Bernabeu basically stands as the sum total of his good performances in big games. He was a one-man highlight reel who continually disappointed when it counted most.

Steelers fans buy their towels. Other fans are given thiers. Fucking posers.

And as a Pens fan, Lemeux > Malkin or Crosby

In their current age frame, 18-24, who do you think is better? Malkin is amazingly good but I think Crosby may have the edge with his faceoff ability. Though Malkin has far better puck control from what I have heard, so they could be even.

Lets just say they are the best of the current generation, who would you put at number 4? Stamkos? Backstrom? Getzlaf? Thornton?

I'm a huge Pens fan, Lemeux & Crosby fan, and admitted Pittsburgh Homer, but....this

Same for Jordan in the NBA.

No, most people aren't fucking dumb enough to spend 5 bucks on a small towel.

Troy Polamalu should be considered...but then again I'm a homer.

We get it. You're a Pittsburgh homer and you don't know much about sports. You don't have to keep reminding us.

Polamalu is really good, but seriously he isn't even the best safety today.

Pavel Datsyuk. Wins the Selke year after year, puts up alot of points. Probably the most under-rated player in the NHL.