The Dark Knight Rises
 

There's no thread on it, right? Let's do this.

Anyways, release date is July 20, 2012. Filming is supposed to begin next April.

Anyways, what spurred me to make the thread now is this article, in which Joseph Gordon-Levitt is rumoured as the Riddler.

Yes, it's just a rumour, but I am utterly in love with that casting.

Anyways, begin wild speculation.............now.

I hope that casting happens

doubt it though

Carrie Anne Moss as Selina Kyle please.

I'm interested in seeing how they portray The Riddler in this new film. He's very similar to The Joker, especially as cerebral as The Joker was in the last movie, so writing him as an original character could be tricky. However, he does have the potential to be a very intelligent character and is probably the perfect villian to have in these Chrisopher Nolan films. They probably should ditch the green jumpsuit though. A green suit with question marks all over it would be acceptable.

I also read that The Joker isn't going to be in this one at all, which I think would be the right thing to do even if Heath Ledger was still alive. His story was already told well. Any "closure" would feel forced.

A simple line about Joker inspiring a new generation of crazies (just as Batman did in a way) would be closure enough. Joker left his mark on Gotham.

If this is going to be Nolan's last one. Let's go all Arkham Asylum on us please.

Oh and David Tennant for the Riddler would be lovely

Know that this was supposedly a closed case but bring back Harvey Dent!

I would accept only one person if they ever did The Joker again and that person is Johnny Depp.

Having said that, I dont see it happening and its said nto to happen.

Please for the love of christ, dont cast a Robin or Batgirl.

Robin I could fathom but where the Hell would a Batgirl come from?

I hope they bring in a Robin for two more Batman movies. Of course, in the second movie with Robin they need to recast the Joker for him to kill off Jason Todd.

I was walking around the underground tunnels in Chicago where the Joker demolition derby takes place today.
Was just walking somwhere and crossed through it and instantly recognized it, so we hung around for a bit. Twas awesome.

That is all

Riddler for sure though. I would bet just about anything on Catwoman, or at least Selina Kyle being in it. I feel even more sure about that than the Riddler.
Mainly because Rachel died in TDK and there's no way they will make the movie without a female lead/love interest. Even though Nolan makes them brilliantly, they're still blockbusters. Selina Kyle/Catwoman is the obvious choice to fill that slot

Barbara Gordon isn't possible, but Cassandra Cain could be. (They won't though)

I'd like for Hush to be the villain

just a big fan of Hush

I dunno, there really wasn't much room in Bruce's childhood flashbacks in Begins to incorporate Thomas Elliot, and since an integral part of Hush's backstory was that he and Bruce were childhood friends, it kind of robs Hush of most of his character. Plus I can't imagine the studio going with a lesser-known villain like that to follow up the Joker.

Maybe if they did like in the original Hush graphic novel, where it looked like he was behind it all but in fact Riddler was pulling the strings.

jumpsuit hasn't been riddler's main costume since the late 80s. he mostly wears a dark green suit now, but i am a big fan of his depiction in alex ross' justice:

http://tonyznet.com/wonderwoman/comi.../Justice_2.jpg

it's basically his green suit costume with a dark green trench over it, lookin' badass. it would work perfectly in the nolan-verse. plus, they paint him as an obsessive-compulsive who can't help but leave clues for batman about his crimes because of an underlying trauma from his childhood when his father used to beat him for lying. so even though he's this brilliant criminal mind, he's compelled to tell the truth about his actions to appease the demonic torment of his father's influence.

so yeah, riddler and joker can be construed as very similar characters, especially in their surface-level depictions with all their jokes and riddles; but once you move past that into the meat of the character they're actually considerably different both in method and madness.

so what, we're covering the whole story of dick grayson becoming robin, growing dissatisfied with his treatment by batman, leaving and becoming nightwing, bruce then finding and training jason to become the second robin in time for him to already be robin in your hypothetical second film here so we can kill him off?

lame. don't write films.

I know that Nolan intentionally left the narrows out of The Dark Knight because they were left in total chaos.
I wouldn't mind, or be suprised, to see that revisited and incorporated into the main conflict somehow

I'm not really big on The Riddler.

I heard Johnny Depp was being The Joker :S

As long as they dont put nipples on his suit again. I think I could watch any of them.

I would like to see the riddler in the role of a rival vigilante detective, like he recently was in the comics. Ending of dark knight actually sets that scenario up perfectly.

yea, love Riddler.

I would only want to see the Joker in one scene in the movie if he's going to be in it. Just a couple lines to Batman while he's in his cell.

If they did a movie very similar to "Under The Red Hood" it would be amazing.

I kinda envisioned Joker as a Hannibal Lecter type that Batman would have to go to in order to understand The Riddler. I once mentioned the idea of having Depp play both. You could shoot Joker from behind in his cell. I think it would have an incredible duality to it.

I don't really get why so many people are mentioning Johnny Depp.

He's kinda awesome.

If you're a 12 year old girl.

Nah, he really is a great actor.

Yeah there's no denying his acting talent but I really wouldn't want to see him in these Batman films.

That's where you and a few of us differ, I guess.

Fair enough I suppose.

Hope they just go with one antagonist. It's the last film Nolan said he would do, dunno if it would be a good idea to introduce two key characters in the last, seems like it would turn into a big mess having to explain the beginning, middle and end of more than one new character in one last film.

Each of the movies had multiple villains.

kind of wish we get a Nolan Bane after they totally raped his character in Batman Forever or whatever that was called

He'd certainly have no mask but he'd work.

Joker appearing a la Hannibal Lecter was an idea I wanted before Ledger had died. Now that he's dead, I think the character should be retired in this trilogy or series.
Re-casting him is piss poor in concept, regardless of how talented or fitting the actor chosen is. I just don't think it's worth it.
I think there were still avenues to explore with him, but his story was wrapped up pretty well and there are no loose ends so there's no need to mess with something that just about everyone agrees was magic.

Nolan has said the Joker will not make an appearance

Completely agree, sad though since he is Batmans best known enemy.

In response to what was previously stated "Why Johnny Depp?"

Edward Scissorhands, Morten Rainey, Jack Sparrow, The Mad Hatter

Those characters seem real when Johnny did them, to the extent that you are watching these characters and not Johnny Depp portraying them. He distances himself from being Johnny Depp and becomes the character in the movie and I cant name a single actor that can do that as well as he can.

^ He also played Hunter Thompson/Raoul Duke really well.

I can see Bane being done, but he'd only not have the mask early on, by the time Batman would be on his ass, he'd be masked up. Depp Riddler would also be badass.

This is fan made, but totally kicks ass.

http://api.ning.com/files/ZIE7ZABBnO...Um/Batman3.jpg

A version of Bane that hewed closely to the comic's portrayal of him would be ideal for me. But I don't see Nolan doing Bane at all, since he wants to stay more realistic. But, of all the fantastical Batman characters, Bane is probably one of the few that's closest to realistic.

That's pretty cool. There was a fan made poster shortly after TDK came out which hinted at The Riddler, it has news paper clippings. Could probably find it but...

Granted, but since this is the last film, I would imagine they are going to focus more on development and closure, rather than trying something totally new and intricate.

I think most of the villians could be done realistically to some degree. There's definitely room for wiggle room, especially as absurd as that ending to Batman Begins was.

they should bring Scarecrow back and job him out again.

Post 42 looks rather awesome.

I think Black Mask could work as a villain. The Joker/Scarecrow could have inspired themed crimes. The Black Mask can give one of his guys a suit with a flame thrower and that will be Firefly, he burns down the rivals places of business. Something like that could work, but they'd probably want to use more established villains.


http://i29.tinypic.com/1zdsy9j.jpg

:)

I definitely think The Riddler's threat could be exposing the secret of Batman's identity or the truth about what happened with Dent/Batman/Gordon.
Knowing Nolan, though, that may be just one aspect and not the entire conflict. It seems they always go above and beyond

I would like to see a relative of harvey dent hell bent on revenge

Why?

I think The Mad Hatter should be involved and caught in a To Catch A Predator esque sting operation

Will Charles Bronson be involved in Savior's take on Batman?

Kite Man or nothing.

and then spiderman comes.

Don't really know much about Batman past the films but at this point I wouldsay that nolan could take almost any character and make a credible potrayal and film.

Manbat

Louie the Lilac

Spider-Man

I would like to see Hush or Deadshot. I grow tired of the recycling the same villians. I wonder if Scarecrow will get jobbed out in the opening scene again.

Calendar Man

They used Deadshot in Batman: Gotham Knights. Not sure how "canon" that is to the Nolan-world.

I can't see the likes of Bane being used.

Nolan has thus far, tried to keep things within the realms of possibility (to the extreme limits) with regards to individuals powers, or rather the lack of them.

Bane's sterioded super-human stuff, to me, doesn't fit with Nolan's universe, IMO.

Could tinker with the whole steroid thing more and make it more credible. Don't think it would be worth it though.

Penguin could be done, just sell him off as a disfigured psycho who looks like a penguin.

You realize Bane is a criminal mastermind, known for "Breaking the Bat"? His venom is incidental to his character (supported by the fact that they eliminated that character detail years ago).

Black Mask would be pretty sweet

Yeah, I know, but it's more the super-human aspects to his character that I don't think would work.

Much like I don't see Posion Ivy ever being in a Nolan Batman film.

Ras made it in and he's a 600yo ecoterrorist. Scarecrow? Bane and Ivy could easily make for Nolan villains. Supernatural elements get cut or adjusted for reality.

Superman

Mr. Freeze

The Silver Surfer

Galactus

Tag team of Red Skull and Black Mask with Catwoman as their manager.

The Riddler is my favorite character of all time. I'm not sure how I feel about Gordon-Levitt playing the role, but he certainly has a good look for it.

I hope theres no Penguin/Penguins with rockets army. Anything but that please.

They should stick to the script. After The Joker, Penguin and Catwoman are next in line. I think the villians for the next Batman movie should be Penguin and Catwoman.

The problem with having Riddler as the next villain is that his character is too similar to The Joker's.

Give 'Penguin' an entirely different look and attitude in the next movie. Forget about the fat wad of shit that walks like a Penguin and has an Umbrella. Make him a suave and sophisticated Criminal mind that is secretly a bad guy. Have him 'work his way up the ranks' for the Gothan city council, and have him lead the way in trying to capture Batman "a.k.a. The Dark Knight....a.k.a. Gotham's #1 enemy."

What script, where?

god I hate The Penguin

The best suggestion I had ever hear for a Nolan-esque Penguin would be a pudgy arms dealer who gets the nickname Penguin

I still don't think we'll see it, nor do I really even want to. I think Riddler and Catwoman are the way to go, but I also wouldn't rule out Nolan going in a suprising direction.
Establishing Hush as a major villain would be interesting. I think less known villains are often written off as not being established, but every villain that's over with the mainstream has to get there somehow. Starring in a movie does that.

I doubt very many non-comic reading people had a clue who Two Face, Posion Ivy and Mr. Freeze were before the Schumacher movies, even if they sucked.
Same goes for a lot of the villains popularized by the animated series, like Riddler, Catwoman and maybe even Joker and Penguin to a degree. They weren't always cultural figures.

Really I have total faith in Nolan to do what he thinks is best for the story. I really wouldn't doubt it until I saw it for myself, given his track record and grip on the material thus far.

Yeah, he has been spot on with casting and filming. I really hope they dont shit the bed.

I knew who Two-Face and Ivy were but never heard of Mr. Freeze before the movie.

Definitely would love if they continued with the movies past the third as I really do enjoy them.

I think Penguin could work if they portray him as a ruthless gangster trying to take control of the Gotham underworld all the while looking like a legit businessman like in the trade paper back "As the Crow Flies"

Bring Back Arnold as Mr. Freeze

According to IGN three actors from Inception are being considered for the role of Riddler and of those I wouldn't mind seeing Tom Hardy do it and I just can't see Leo playing him at all Despite how great an actor JGL he couldn't pull off the likes of Cobra Commander so I can see him doing much bettter in this role. Heck I wouldn't be suprised if Marie Cotillard was being considered for Catwoman she certainly has the right eyes for the part.

Holy shit......Ellen Page was in Inception.....Ellen Page was Kitty Pryde.....Kitty....Kitten....Kitten cat.....Catwoman!

Rather she be Robin.

No... just ....no.

I was reading an interview with Nolan where he talked about being excited for this film being an ending to their Batman story.
As he said, these things continue in the comics but in movies they tell a finite story. That means they're looking to deliberately wrap up their Batman mythology.

This got me thinking, they probably aren't going to go the typical comic book route that even the older films took, where no matter what happens, Batman is left ready for his next adventure.

Is it possible that this movie won't do the whole vindication and establishing of Batman as Gotham's hero thing?
Could Batman "end"? Could we see his identity be revealed or him retire? Could Batman die?

Dunno. Nolan always seems to go all out with these, and isn't afraid to smash expectations and take risks. I'm wondering what bets are off for this movie and where it's going to go storywise.

I would imagine some official announcements on a title and the villain(s) would be coming very soon.

Seems due now that Nolan is done with Inception's release and filming is slated for the spring.

Maybe Bruce gives it up as a punk kid named Tim gets inspired.

No

Hey..........shut up.

Dick?

Make a request like that in casual where it belongs

http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/tom-...lan-on-batman/

Tom Hardy apparently cast in a lead role.

Everyone seems to be thinking he'll be the Riddler, but I feel like he'd be a little too buff and intimidating for that. Still would like Joseph Gordon Levitt for the Riddler. For any role actually.

Bane?