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Swiss Ultimate 08-12-2010 12:39 PM

Heel Turns that didn't help the wrestler
 
or anyone else for that matter.

Lex Luger's heel turn was bland and pointless. I never thought I could care less about him and it never seemed to help anyone around him, not even Sting (who didn't need the help).

Post your picks here.

Savio 08-12-2010 12:41 PM

Billy Gunn turns on DX

Loose Cannon 08-12-2010 12:42 PM

which Luger heel turn? he's done several

The Pope 08-12-2010 12:45 PM

Santino

Sixx 08-12-2010 12:46 PM

Goldberg's heel turn. I hardly even remember it, so it must've sucked.

Ultra Mantis 08-12-2010 12:49 PM

Most recently I would say Shad Gaspard and Primo.

SlickyTrickyDamon 08-12-2010 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Perfect (Post 3196761)
Santino

Lies, Santino was a random face who came out of the crowd to win the IC title. As a heel he became the funniest guy in the history of the WWE. If anything he has hurt his comedy by the fans loving it so much.

Remember when he feud with Stone Cold Steve Austins or the Honky Tonk Mans? By watching this movie we are all a condemned, and The greatest IC champion of all times!

The answer to this question is the British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith. He joined Camp Cornette, but really never fit well as a huge bad guy. When he won the European title he got cheered. The fans wanted him to be a good guy, and it was too late when he came back in 1999 for a short lived face run before going back to heel.

The Pope 08-12-2010 12:53 PM

What the hell is that!?

BigDaddyCool 08-12-2010 12:56 PM

Most non-WWF(E) turns from booker Vince Russo are pointless. He never built enough interest in characters before the turn and frequently turned them back and forth to much for it to matter.

bigslimjj 08-12-2010 12:59 PM

Sting's first heel turn in WCW in 2000 when they had that title tournament and he beat up James J. Dillion. I think the turn lasted about 3 weeks until he was back to face again. Nash has also done it way too many times to count or care about.

RiX1024 08-12-2010 01:05 PM

Agreed with the Sting bit, same with Goldberg's turn in 2000, I thought HBK's heel turn in 2005 was naff because after his match with Hogan he was face again.

thedamndest 08-12-2010 01:23 PM

Matt Hardy when he feuded with Jeff. Should have been great but it wasn't and then it was abandoned.

RiX1024 08-12-2010 01:26 PM

he buggered off and came back as a face.

Gertner 08-12-2010 01:30 PM

You know a heel turn that I can't believe happened? It was more of a swerve. When Buff Bagwell returned from being nearly paralyzed by Rick Steiner in 1998 I believe.

Buff could have been a HUGE babyface because of this. WCW really dropped the ball on this.

The Goldberg heel turn in WCW was ridiculous.

Schlomey 08-12-2010 01:31 PM

I came here to mention Shad Gasspard. What a waste.

XCaliber 08-12-2010 01:33 PM

As of late Primo it did absolutetly nothing for him lol he's still stuck on Superstars for crying out loud.

Lock Jaw 08-12-2010 01:42 PM

Eugene's one week heel turn where he beat up Jim Duggan and yelled "I'M SPECIAL!"

Gertner 08-12-2010 01:51 PM

To be fair, Primo was turned heel with Carlito to feud with the Hart Dynasty. Carlito kinda fucked it up.

thedamndest 08-12-2010 02:10 PM

The Bellas turned on each other for a few weeks. Maybe over one liking Miz and one liking Primo or some combination from those teams.

The Jayman 08-12-2010 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedamndest (Post 3196885)
The Bellas turned on each other for a few weeks. Maybe over one liking Miz and one liking Primo or some combination from those teams.

1 went with The Colons, the other went with Miz/Morrison

DAMN iNATOR 08-12-2010 02:30 PM

Looks like Kane's about to turn heel without becoming any less bland and dull, as his promos have already been elevated to another level as a face.

Attitude99 08-12-2010 02:45 PM

Kane obviously. DX which means X-Pac, Road Dogg And Billy. Rikishi sucked as heel too.

Next Big Thing 08-12-2010 02:48 PM

Rikishi's in the long run. Especially after HHH revealed himself as the master planner.

Scott Hall in WCW

Gertner 08-12-2010 03:06 PM

But he did it for the Rock

Cuse8 08-12-2010 03:12 PM

that time ric flair turned heel..

KIRA 08-12-2010 04:14 PM

Shes not a wrestler but Linda McMahon's heel turn was just like every other time shes on screen a coma inducing waste of time

a sidenote: Rikishis heel turn is one of my friend and I's absolute fave bad heel turns it was made 100 times better/worse by his "why I did it" speech and his theme music

Domino 08-12-2010 04:17 PM

All these are good, except for the Bellas. I thought we were talking about wrestlers, thed. Haha.

Xero 08-12-2010 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KIRA (Post 3197016)
Shes not a wrestler but Linda McMahon's heel turn was just like every other time shes on screen a coma inducing waste of time

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It gave us this campaign commercial. I must say that it was well worth it.

Jordan 08-12-2010 04:43 PM

Goldberg's heel turn in WCW was a horrible, horrible decision.

On the flip side I desperately did not want Austin to turn heel and join with McMahon, but he did a great job that summer, and totally added new layers to the character. So I don't consider that a bad turn, I just really didn't want it to happen.

I think they had Angle as a face during that time, which I also didn't want to happen. But it was well played.

blak23 08-12-2010 04:58 PM

the rocks brief turn when he came back and called christian the new peoples champ

Lock Jaw 08-12-2010 05:08 PM

STAND BACK! THERE'S A HEEL TURN COMING THROUGH!!!


.... But then there really wasn't. (At least not for awhile still)

Loose Cannon 08-12-2010 05:08 PM

Austin turned heel, then turned babyface, then turned back to heel and then by the end of 2001, turned babyface again.

Loose Cannon 08-12-2010 05:09 PM

well his 1st babyface turn was kind of by default since he was with the WWF in the feud with WCW

McLegend 08-12-2010 05:19 PM

Austin heel turn at WM17 should be number 1 on this list.

Nicky Fives 08-12-2010 06:10 PM

Goldberg in WCW is the first to come to mind.....

DLVH84 08-12-2010 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigslimjj (Post 3196795)
Sting's first heel turn in WCW in 2000 when they had that title tournament and he beat up James J. Dillion. I think the turn lasted about 3 weeks until he was back to face again. Nash has also done it way too many times to count or care about.

Actually, the Sting heel turn in WCW occurred at Fall Brawl in September 1999.

The Pope 08-12-2010 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McLegend (Post 3197140)
Austin heel turn at WM17 should be number 1 on this list.

He wasn't heel, they were just two babyfaces. Like John Cena vs Lashley.

Vastardikai 08-12-2010 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLVH84 (Post 3197252)
Actually, the Sting heel turn in WCW occurred at Fall Brawl in September 1999.

The Montage explaining Sting's heel turn was laughably bad. I think they even tried to blame him for inventing the NWO, the Exon Valdez oil spill, and the creation of cancer.

bigslimjj 08-12-2010 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLVH84 (Post 3197252)
Actually, the Sting heel turn in WCW occurred at Fall Brawl in September 1999.

Your right. The Mayhem tourney was a little while after that. I rember he beat up JJ the next night on Nitro. I had kind of checked out on WCW by that time really. Thanks for the correction.:y:

Domino 08-12-2010 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Perfect (Post 3197254)
He wasn't heel, they were just two babyfaces. Like John Cena vs Lashley.

Yeah, and Austin turned heel at the end.

SlickyTrickyDamon 08-12-2010 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero (Post 3197018)
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It gave us this campaign commercial. I must say that it was well worth it.

It's the Democratic National Convention Mr. Republican announcer.

Emperor Smeat 08-12-2010 09:03 PM

Would David Arquette heel turn count since it ended up lasting about a week before he left WCW and did nothing besides let Jeff Jarrett have the WCW title belt over DDP.

Nark Order 08-12-2010 09:57 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/33...58870ef259.jpg

rated rjo 08-13-2010 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon (Post 3197106)
Austin turned heel, then turned babyface, then turned back to heel and then by the end of 2001, turned babyface again.

beat me to it.

Droford 08-13-2010 12:52 AM

Jim Duggan joining Team Canada

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.co...mduggan/14.jpg

He looks a little like Penn Jillette there

Xerzes 08-13-2010 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3197585)
picture of Rob Conway

When the crap was Conway a face in WWE? He was in La Resistance, then he moved on to having the greatest terrible entrance music of all time. Heel and heel.

owenbrown 08-13-2010 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 3197854)
Jim Duggan joining Team Canada

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.co...mduggan/14.jpg

He looks a little like Penn Jillette there

Unnecessary heel turns are BULLSHIT!

Cool King 08-13-2010 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerzes (Post 3198022)
When the crap was Conway a face in WWE? He was in La Resistance, then he moved on to having the greatest terrible entrance music of all time. Heel and heel.

I actually liked his entrance music. :(

whiteyford 08-13-2010 01:04 PM

All of Stings heel turns pretty much failed, always seemed the same as Goldbergs, just being done as a swerve with no real thought behind them.

Lock Jaw 08-13-2010 02:27 PM

Brooklyn Brawler's heel turn as the Boston Brawler.

Man, that went absolutely NOWHERE! It coulda been HUGE! :shifty:

DaveBrawl 08-13-2010 02:39 PM

He should of thrown Don Zimmer to the ground, that would of completed it.

Rollermacka 08-13-2010 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droford (Post 3197854)
Jim Duggan joining Team Canada

http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.co...mduggan/14.jpg

He looks a little like Penn Jillette there

Quote:

Originally Posted by owenbrown (Post 3198031)
Vince Russo heel turns are BULLSHIT!

:shifty:


My choice, "King Mabel". Men On a Mission was pretty bad (I remember Mo made Mabel look like a cat by comparision in the ring) and PN News could rap circles around both of them. I read King Mabel was gonna be this new Super Monster Heel to feud with Diesel but it did work out that way.

Jeritron 08-13-2010 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Attitude99 (Post 3196918)
Kane obviously. DX which means X-Pac, Road Dogg And Billy. Rikishi sucked as heel too.

I think the DX heel faction would have worked much better if they re-invented the outlaws.
HHH obviously worked as The Game, and X-Pac had a new heel gimmick where he was a little slimeball that was hooking up with Kane's girlfriend. He actually got a tremendous amount of heat there.
I just think the Outlaws kinda watered it down by going through their normal act. The fans still cheered them in their matches and they played to them when they weren't out there with HHH.
They should have abandoned the flash and been a more ruthless, no nonsense tag team

Nark Order 08-13-2010 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xerzes (Post 3198022)
When the crap was Conway a face in WWE? He was in La Resistance, then he moved on to having the greatest terrible entrance music of all time. Heel and heel.

La Resistance was face in Canada. :shifty:

Lock Jaw 08-13-2010 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 3198587)
La Resistance was face in Canada. :shifty:

Only in Quebec, though.

mike adamle 12-15-2012 12:08 AM

CM Punk in 2012

owenbrown 12-15-2012 12:21 AM

*insert wrestler from OCW or Parsons here*

Bad News Gertner 12-15-2012 12:33 AM

Owenbrown

Shisen Kopf 12-15-2012 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by owenbrown (Post 4059819)
*insert wrestler from OCW or Parsons here*

Hey don't talk bad about parsons. Many people have said that Fluffy the emo straight edge is a modern day Bobby Jaggers.

Swiss Ultimate 02-14-2013 12:20 PM

So good.

Arrogance 02-14-2013 01:23 PM

Stone Cold Steve Austin turning heel...pointless.

CSL 02-14-2013 02:01 PM

outside of the "being refreshing, excellent and hugely entertaining" part, pointless indeed

Savio 02-14-2013 03:28 PM

It would have been better if he stayed face.

Anybody Thrilla 02-14-2013 04:13 PM

Did anybody say Shad Gaspard?

Savio 02-14-2013 04:20 PM

Yes

Anybody Thrilla 02-14-2013 04:26 PM

Good

CSL 02-14-2013 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savior (Post 4116390)
It would have been better if he stayed face.

his heel character was the best part/saving grace of the entire Invasion angle

Lock Jaw 02-14-2013 05:48 PM

Also, one of the only times I enjoyed Stone Cold.

Inadequacy 02-14-2013 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 3196778)
Lies, Santino was a random face who came out of the crowd to win the IC title. As a heel he became the funniest guy in the history of the WWE. If anything he has hurt his comedy by the fans loving it so much.

Remember when he feud with Stone Cold Steve Austins or the Honky Tonk Mans? By watching this movie we are all a condemned, and The greatest IC champion of all times!

The answer to this question is the British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith. He joined Camp Cornette, but really never fit well as a huge bad guy. When he won the European title he got cheered. The fans wanted him to be a good guy, and it was too late when he came back in 1999 for a short lived face run before going back to heel.

I kept reading the second half of this post in Santinos voice.

Rhaps 02-14-2013 08:30 PM

Jim Ross.

Not a wrestler, but still. No point whatsoever.

Savio 02-14-2013 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSL (Post 4116453)
his heel character was the best part/saving grace of the entire Invasion angle

oh I mean he should have stayed face after WM17

Classy and Gassy 02-15-2013 10:42 AM

the Goodfather

Shisen Kopf 02-15-2013 11:17 AM

Big Shows fourth heel turn

RiX1024 02-15-2013 03:57 PM

Val Venis joining Right to Censor, even though he was heel already.

Jp69 02-15-2013 05:31 PM

The Road Warriors when they turned on Dusty Rhodes. Seemed pointless to me but I was drifting away from the NWA around that time, wasn't quite the same to me once Ted Turner took it from the Crocketts. JMO

Mjdiesel 02-17-2013 02:09 AM

two come to mind...around '02, booker t randomly joining forces with vince mcmahon and the two hanging out in a luxury suit above the arena at a couple of events and trish stratus kicking then-friend-lover jericho in the balls at wrestlemania.

Lock Jaw 02-17-2013 02:24 AM

Trish's heel run was pretty fantastic.

Tom Guycott 02-17-2013 04:22 AM

Just the sado-masochism portion of it with her and Christian was a bit... weird. Not in a good, heat drawing way either.

Also:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 3196778)
Lies, Santino was a random face who came out of the crowd to win the IC title. As a heel he became the funniest guy in the history of the WWE. If anything he has hurt his comedy by the fans loving it so much.

Remember when he feud with Stone Cold Steve Austins or the Honky Tonk Mans? By watching this movie we are all a condemned, and The greatest IC champion of all times!

The answer to this question is the British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith. He joined Camp Cornette, but really never fit well as a huge bad guy. When he won the European title he got cheered. The fans wanted him to be a good guy, and it was too late when he came back in 1999 for a short lived face run before going back to heel.

brought forth:


So, it can't be that bad and should never have been included on this list.

Corporate CockSnogger 02-17-2013 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 3197258)
The Montage explaining Sting's heel turn was laughably bad. I think they even tried to blame him for inventing the NWO, the Exon Valdez oil spill, and the creation of cancer.

I remembered this promo upon reading this thread and I had to find it. Imagine if they would've gone through with the whole conspiracy angle and had Sting behind everything gone wrong in WCW.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/oU8ElRPOZXI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

erickman 02-17-2013 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 3198405)
All of Stings heel turns pretty much failed, always seemed the same as Goldbergs, just being done as a swerve with no real thought behind them.

yeah i agree sting should never be a heel, i will ad aj styles flair could not even make him a good heel. on goldberg that shows how vince russo is.

Swiss Ultimate 02-18-2022 03:34 PM

Update.

drave 02-18-2022 04:04 PM

No one who you watch anymore.

xrodmuc316 02-18-2022 05:07 PM

Tatanka, and I don't even remember if there was anything to it other than he liked money and Ted Dibiase had some lol

Swiss Ultimate 02-18-2022 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xrodmuc316 (Post 5525046)
Tatanka, and I don't even remember if there was anything to it other than he liked money and Ted Dibiase had some lol

I also like money.

xrodmuc316 02-18-2022 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss Ultimate (Post 5525054)
I also like money.



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