Better Wrestler #172
 

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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option></select>

Better Wrestler All Time Records

When did Miz ever wear that jacket?

Also, Miz easily wins this one. He has done so much to prove himself in the WWE, going as far as to become the most interesting person for me personally to watch for each show.

Daniel Bryan, on the other hand, just came back and hasn't done anything impressive just yet.

Right around ShowMiz time. Wish he kept it.

Great round. I am going with The Miz here.

Daniel Bryan's five minutes in the ring at Summerslam were better than The Miz's entire in-ring career. I won't deny that Miz has improved in the ring, but he's not at the point where I feel like I have to go on youtube to actually watch a Miz match I miss rather than read the results. That is not the case with Daniel Bryan.

I don't think I'll be voting against the Miz ever, but he'll probably lose this round anyway.

Not to take anything away from Daniel Bryan, but I'm just going to have to see some more stuff from him.

Ditto. Its the same reason I voted for Billy Gunn last round, at this point of time The Miz has shown a lot more than Daniel Bryan.

Danielson easily. Though he's improved a lot I still don't really "look forward" to watching Miz wrestle, no denying he is great on the mic but I just don't care for him in-ring.

I kind of feel like The Miz has plateaued in terms of his in-ring ability. He made dramatic improvements, but right now I feel like I'm watching the same Miz match that I was watching a year ago. As an up-and-comer he shouldn't be that comfortable.

Had to go with the American Dragon on this one.

Daniel Bryan easily. His ROH work is phenomenal. Miz is great and is definitely getting better and better, but American Dragon get's this round.

Bryan Danielson is better in the ring than Miz. Miz may have improved but he is not at a level where I would say he's close to being good in the the ring. Miz is great on the mic obviously, but to be honest I actually think Danielson is pretty good on the mic also. The best thing of all of NXT Season 1 was the promo between Danielson and Cole as well as the beatdown of Cole along with him facing Jericho. Nothing else from Season 1 was good.

Miz sucks.

Danielson The Miz is the minor leagues compared to Danielson.

Danielson. He looked amazing at SummerSlam and looked amazing at everything else he's ever done.

The Miz.... I believe he is the most improved wrestler/personality EVER in wrestling....

You're not wrong. But, I don't want to agree with you so I'll just say it myself, Danielson is better.

Voted for The Miz.

The Miz-Danielson/Bryan feud should benefit both wrestlers in the long term as long as the WWE doesn't drop the ball. Miz would have his main rival not named Cena while also being ready for a future WWE championship reign or main event scene. Danielson/Bryan would have the experience for a future IC title reign or at least high mid-card level.

The American Dragon.

Under normal circumstances I would have voted for danielson... but... this isn't one of those normal circumstances. This guy has caught fire and has been on a roll for how long now? You can't go against this guy and feel right about it.

http://a.imageshack.us/img530/7917/img0106og.jpg

He's listening for your adoration.

Very well put. :y:

I didn't realise this was most improved wrestler #172....


Anyway, you guys saying Danielson hasn't been in WWE long enough, you realise he has been involved in 'Pro Wrestling' for a lot longer than Miz, right? Just wanna make sure with this one.

Yeah, but Bryan just only went to the big stage. Anything else he did is irrelevant to 8 out of 10 wrestling fans.

True.... But are we 8 of 10 here? These competitions are for forum members aren't they?

Dragon...here's to hoping they put on a good show at NOC

I understand that, but you have to understand that I'm going to vote based on what I've seen. I know that Danielson's been around forever and he's supposedly amazing, but I've hardly seen any of his work. I've seen almost all of The Miz's relevant work. Should I vote against a guy I KNOW I like in favor of a guy I'm told I SHOULD like?

No, you shouldn't. I'm the first to agree with that too. But to vote against somebody simply because they've only been in WWE for 5 minutes seems stupid, that's all I was getting at.

In saying that if you read my post you'll see I wasn't actually having a go at anybody at who they've voted for, was just simply making that point. Just because you haven't been with Vince your whole career doesn't make you a new talent.

Your post was of a rather condescending nature.

meh. I'm sick with the chicken pox have been suffering from migranes so maybe a few of my lost posts havent come out like they were meant too.

Chicken pox? Really?

As of right now I went with The Miz, although it could easily change a few years down the road. But for right now I went with Mike Mizanin, BECAUSE HE'S THE MIZ, AND HE'S...
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Michael Cole is very disappointed with all of your votes. So, keep up the good work guys! I voted for Danielson too.

Yeah, got them from my daughter. I put a photo up on fb, but I'm not sure if I want to put one up here. Sucks majorly.

...had to go with Miz, based on the sole fact that Daniel Bryan hasn't done ANYTHING yet in the big leagues.

You never had it as a kid growing up?

...Miz fears Coral:


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Daniel Bryan has main evented SummerSlam.

The Miz has main evented...

Miz has been United States Champion, Tag Team Champion, and has won a Money in the Bank.

Daniel Bryan has won...

And by the way, Darren Young also main evented Summerslam.

Your statement was that Daniel Bryan has not done anything in WWE. That is obviously wrong. Not gonna get into a back and forth here because you're clearly wrong.

U sure I'm wrong?

What besides "Main Event Summerslam" has he done?

Lawrence Taylor main evented a Wrestle Mania...so I guess he has done alot.

"hasn't done ANYTHING" is what you said

meaning if he has done just one thing, you are wrong

he has done one thing, plus several others

therefore, you are wrong


it's really that simple

Getting technical, are we?

Ok...so Daniel Bryan hasn't not done anything.

Daniel Bryan has done ONE thing.

My bad.

if you hadn't been wrong in the first place, there'd be no need to break it down

...ure sooo Pro-Bryan...

slightly

He is one of the best in the world. He will be remembered. If not a WWE legend he will be a legend of the indys.

Hahaha "A legend of the indys"...

...that's like a life-long Minor Leaguer who never makes it to the Major Leagues, but was good enough, so he's remembered as "A legend of the Minors".

Yes, because pro wrestling which is run by bookers who traditionally love big men and is a fake sport is EXACTLY like a ball player or whatever you're refering to.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think you're that bad of a poster from the few posts I've seen, but Supreme has you here. Let it go. :)

Oh, and sticky stricky or whoever asked the question on the last page, no I didn't have them when I was a kid.

Bryan Danielson is a better wrestler than The Miz but the Miz has more charisma than the guy. My vote goes for Danielson.

No he doesn't.

How can u say Bryan is that much better than The Miz? Miz has accomplished so much more. Maybe Bryan has more potential (whatever that means nowadays), but Miz has done "more than 1 thing" with his potential, Bryan has only been a big fish in a small pond up until now. 'Til he realizes all that potential "he has", Miz is better.

My vote goes to the AWESOME one I'm not completelly sold on Danielsson yet.

If this poll would have happened like 3 years ago, I don't think the Miz would have stood a chance. At least he's not getting blown out.

Ugh. All of this Daniel Bryan cock sucking.

Internet Sensation Daniel Bryan

Supreme knows.

Honestly though, acting like Miz has accomplished that much more, or is any less of a cult sensation, is ridiculous.

... But The Miz HAS accomplished that much more. Cult sensation or not.

^^^^
RIGHT. But people are so fanatical.

When did this turn into "Better WWE Wrestler?"

The "Danielson has only been in WWE for five minutes" argument is beyond retarded.

^^^^
Doesn't make it any less true.

The argument that Miz hasn't done more than Daniel Bryan is pretty stupid as well. In the eyes of the larger wrestling world (IE the casual fan), of course Miz has done more than Bryan.

But, as stated, we are not "casual" fans here, so this whole thing just really boils down to if the voter in question has actually seen Bryan outside of the WWE.

In my case, I have not. So Miz easily wins. I look forward to seeing The Miz and am captivated by him in a way that, given time, I might be by Daniel Bryan.

Danielson has plenty of accomplishments. The Wrestling Observer named him the Most Outstanding Wrestler in 06, 07, 08, and 09. He won Best Technical Wrestler in 05, 06, 07, 08, and 09. And he was named the Most Outstanding Wrestler of the 00's. And I bet those guys have seen both Danielson and the Miz wrestler a lot more than any of us have.

I won class clown in my Senior yearbook. Worship me immediately!

A Baseball player can be AWESOME in Japan, but once they come to the Major Leagues in the United States, that's when you separate the men from the boys. All the Championships and Awards in Japan add up to NOTHING, all people care about is how you perfom over here.

Same with the wrestling world. You can accomplish whatever u want, but what everybody cares about is if u get to the WWE, and how u fare.

Well he's been around longer and he's more over with the casual fan, but Bryan's first year is no slouch. I'm sure they all know who he is too.

It's not like the Miz has won any world titles or main evented PPVs yet. He's got a ton of potential, that's for sure.

He's currently in a feud with Bryan, as a matter of fact. That puts them on the same level from a kayfabe view. I don't think Bryan is that far away from becoming US Champion himself.

Was the award for the best class clown in the entire world? No? Then your example is retarded.

I bet you guys also think that Britney Spears is a better musician than Jimi Hendrix too. I mean when you compare their mainstream success, there's really no contest. It's Britney, bitch.

I said IMMEDIATELY, GOD DAMNIT!

No one is denying that Bryan is the better technical wrestler.

But in terms of the amount of entertainment given directly to me, Miz wins.

And that is what I define as a wrestler. Not just their in-ring ability, but the entire package, and how much they have entertained me over their careers.

IT TOOK 172 BETTER WRESTLERS, BUT WE FINALLY HAVE HAD SOMEONE DEFINE WRESTLER!

And that seems like a completely sane argument.

Go forth and be merry.

Danielson

I love Miz, but I enjoy watching Danielson wrestle so much more

although if the Miz wore his sexy coat more often I'd vote for him

Well if we're going to base things on that, how about we just scrap Better Wrestler all together and just post the Wrestling Observer rankings. This is what makes it unique.

I'm not basing my decision on those awards. I'm merely pointing out that it's absolutely retarded to claim Danielson hasn't accomplished anything of importance in his career.


Keep in mind that I have no problem with people voting for The Miz because they're unfamiliar with Danielson's work. I realize most people don't follow the indies. That's not the problem. The problem is with people unfamiliar with his work claiming he's a nobody because he's not mainstream. Again, that's retarded.

I still think the claim lost all meaning a few months ago anyways. He was in the ring weekly with NXT, and has gone on to be a part of the major Nexus storyline, including a suprise return in the main event of Summerslam.

Now he's feuding with The Miz for the US Title. That is not nothing. Even if you discount his indy work, he's given us a decent sample of work and entertainment to work with in WWE.
WWE fans have gotten behind rookies for much less. It happens all the time (Mr. Kennedy, etc.)

Danielson has main evented Summerslam as a surprise and no build up... Don't get me wrong i really like the guy... BUT, Miz gets the nod for me based on the lack of footage I have seen of Danielson... Miz has done nothing but improve since he started and his entertainment / mic skills are insanely good...

Daniel Bryan vs Lance Storm in the finals!!

Curt Hennig run in