UFC 124..
 

TJ Grant vs Ricardo Almeida

Thiago Alves vs John Howard

Pat Audinwood vs John Makdessi

Matthew Riddle vs Sean Pierson

Jim Miller vs Charles Oliveira

Stefan Struve vs Sean McCorkle

Jesse Bongfeldt vs Rafael Natal

Joe Stevenson vs Mac Danzig

Joe Doerksen vs Dan Miller

Mark Bocek vs Dustin Hazelett

Georges St-Pierre vs Josh Koscheck

I hope GSP finishes kos..

Doerlson vs miller will be fight of the night..

I have mixed feelings about the main event. Part of me wants GSP to win big, but there's a part of me that's hoping Koscheck beats GSP and then dismantles Shields while B.J. takes out Fitch and we get to see Koscheck v. Penn this time next year. With Koscheck's shit talk and B.J.'s temper/ own shit talk I think that would be fun.

Stefan Struve intrigues me as a fighter and him and McCorkle are my sleeper for fight of the night.

I think Alves KOs Howard in the first round and gets knock out of the night.

Koscheck has no chance of winning, he'll gas before the end of the the third round.

any good streams out there?

GSP vs. Kos will go to a decision. Bank on that

If it goes to a decision and the judges score in favor of Kos... All hell is gonna break loose and it will be awesome to watch.

I'M NOT IMPRESSED BY YOUR PERFORMANCE.

Jake Shields had better be working on his striking.

Best alive right now.

Jakes Sheilds better hope he can submit GSP.

GSP looked great. I expected more out of KOS, but I really can't blame him when his eye essentially got wrecked within 3 minutes of the first round.

Georges St. Pierre.

That jab was LETHAL! Kos had a snowball's chance in hell coming in, when his eye became a pussy....fuggitaboutit

Alves/Doomsday was a Muay Thai Clinic. Holy shitsnacks Alves looked great. His pysique(SP) was impeccable, his technique was phenomenal.

what a phantom punch Danzig

Olivera knows that leg locks are fifty/fifty that loss is all on him. Well, credit to miller for going for it, and switching BEAUTIFULLY between toe hold/kneebar

LOL

Not gonna happen..

I know, but it's much more likley then Shields having a chance on his feet.

Shields has no fucking chance either way, but considering GSP is going to dictate the fight and is well aware of Shields' brilliance on the ground and weakness striking, it makes sense for Shields to prepare for a stand up fight the best he can.

Who is gonna beat GSP? It may have to be one of these new breed collegiate wrestlers like a more developed Rick Story who was fairly impressive against Johnny Hendricks who I think is a beast.

Don't get me wrong it is a longggggggggggggggggggg shot, but if the guy keeps developing he's got great wrasslin, and he can def strike better than Koscheck, give him a couple years and maybe he cud be a viable contender.

actually wait Story isn't a collegiate wrestler I don't think, just one of those guys with great MMA wrestling, like GSP.

story was a college wrestler.... they even said so on the broadcast

well I obviously didn't hear them say that you dipshit :p either way it's inconsequential to what I was saying, he's the only type of dude I could see eventually beating gsp, extremely well rounded. The main difference is GSPs ability to find his range

And all the other aspects he's far superior in.

Anthony "Rumble" Johnson

:'(

Also, BJ is always dangerous, no matter how bad he gassed the last time they fought.. GSP couldn't put him away, which seems to be a problem with everyone he fights, but a focused, ready BJ Penn is a dangerous man..

Georges has beat him twice. Oh and not coming out for the 5th round is being put away.

AND LOL Rumble Johnson? hahahaha you gotta fucking be kidding me.

oh didn't see the crying face after. :p

Matt Hughes made BJ look bad the second tome they fought (war crucifix) but BJ destroyed him the next time.. Serra proved gsp can be ko'd and Penn proved he still has the hands to murk mofos..

I love Rumble..

:(

Seriously thought he was the biggest threat to gsp untill the kos fight..

GSP would put Buddah on his back, and then he would just make a million excuses afterwards, nobody wants to see that again.

Hughes only made BJ look so bad because BJ injured his rib during the fight, apparently.

Watch Hughes/Penn I..

That was years ago and GSP is a more explosive and better wrestler now than Hughes was IMO.

And I've seen it. Penn will never beat GSP, ever.

You can't say that in MMA..

People said that about Serra and look at what happened..

Also, a year and a half ago Penn was labeled as unbeatable at 155.. Along came Frankie Edgar.. Everyone has "that guy"..

Couture has Tito's number like Rampage has Liddell's number like Liddell has Couture's number, so on and so forth..

Yeah, but GSP took Serra lightly, and at the time you can't blame him. Serra probably should never have been in the cage with GSP in the first place, GSP got caught, it happens. You should have known after part 2 it was little more than a lucky punch.

Tito was never that good to begin with, he was overrated and ducked fighters, not to mention he level of competetion wasn't all that high.

And Chuck Liddell got old and punch drunk.

Because Edgar is faster, more athletic, a better boxing, and a much better wrestler than Penn.

Thanks for doing all the debating here IC, I need not say anymore other than you're correct on all fronts.

LOL come on Krispy, you can do better than this.

BJ has the best takedown defense in the history of MMA..

Completely counting him out, or any fighter in MMA, is a mistake imo..

Weirder things have happened..

Not so much that I'm counting him out, but more that I'm basing it on the facts from two previous encounters.

He didn't even answer the bell...

He was gassed like I said earlier in this very thread..

Gassed and having the complete piss beaten out of you are two different things.

And I have every reason the same thing would happen. GSP wrestling is too good, even if BJ does have ridiculous takedown defense.

I don't think he's done anything to warrant another shot at GSP. He walked over Hughes, but one big victory isn't enough. He needs to show consistancy at 170 before he's even sniffing a title shot.

And it's not like George can't strike. The only reason BJ outstruck him the first time out was cuz he poked him in the eye. And BJ isn't all that special off of his back.

Gsp did more damage with wrestling than striking.. Dunno what fight you are talking about..

Simple fact is, gsp needs to move up to 185.. Been known for a few years now..

And get ktfo by Silva..

LOL, Silva would get put on his back, GSP is a better wrestler, more athletic, and has WAYYYYY better BJJ than Sonnen. I like Silva, but he would just get beaten up for 5 rounds.

WHAT

Silva would stay at range and pepper gsp..

Gsp would get slaughtered..

Also gsp isn't near as big as sonnen and doesn't do hgh..

GSP is still a better grappler and athlete, and has much more explosive takedowns and striking than Sonnen, he also closes distance much better. GSP also has very good range for his size. It doesn't matter if Sonnen is bigger really, Silva did nothing to stuff the takedown, or much of anything to get to his feet, and if he did, he was taken back down immediatly.

Silva's fought at light heavyweight and cuts down from 210 to fight at 185 whereas GSP would have to gain weight to be competitive with Silva.

Dan Henderson was the better wrestler when he fought Silva too and ended up getting choked the fuck out.

GSP is better off staying at 170. On paper Silva v. GSP seems like a great match, but in reality I don't see it turning out well for GSP.

The only advantage GSP may have is his youth.

As far as Sonnen goes, I think the testosterone shots helped his performance a lot.

Dan Henderson was a good Greco-Roman wrestler, but his MMA wrestling his not even really good, he got dominated on the ground by Jake Shields.

Greco is more about glitch and takedown, not floor grappling..

Jake Shields has one of the best ground games in MMA and was 10 years younger than Hendo though.

Hendo also ko's fuckers at 205.. GSP can't ko guys at 170..

Hence why I said his MMA wrestling wasn't the greatest.

Dunno if you were watching GSP gnp him into shit but okay big guy.

All Henderson does is headhunt really, and has a great right hand.

Also, GSP would make Henderson look like a child at any weight.

Hendo also lost to Kazuo Misaki

The sad thing here is I don't even think IC and myself are fanboys or nuthuggers of GSP... I don't know what you're trying to hold onto here Krispy.

The "GSP can't knock people, out at 170" doesn't mean shit. He's been consistantly facing top competition, knockouts are hard to come by. And he STOPPED BJ Penn no matter what bullshit you choose to spew. I don't think Georges himself thinks it's a stoppage, but when you don't answer the bell you're stopped. And Penn was hurt badly... very badly. He got ground and pounded to shit. Pull your head from your ass.

-edit-

note, gsp is one of my fave fighters but I don't hug his nuts going into his fights, the only time I've been 100 per cent confident going into a gsp fight was dan hardy. Every other one of his fights I am never sure and never make predictions.

As far as him fighting Silva goes...Silve showed that he can be put on his back and held there, and there's no predicting how much size plays a factor and I would personally call it a pick'm.

Also factor in the wrestling with the fact that GSP can strike better than any wrestler, you have someone that can keep silva off balance.

I don't know why you guys wrote off Penn who is the greatest LW ever and a former WW champ off like he has no chance.. Which is what started this whole discussion..

And now are acting like GSP fan boys by saying he would beat the most dominant striker in the UFC..

I like GSP but I've been watching mma long mouth to know better than to think people are unstoppable..which is what y'all are doing here win GSP..

I don't think GSP is unstoppable, I just think his wrestling is so dominant and Silva could nothing from being put on his back. GSP is the greatest MMA fighter ever, there is no shame in losing to him.

But seriously, I think GSP would be able to take him down at will.

And BJ Penn is the greatest LW ever, but GSP is the greatest WW ever, and has destroyed BJ in the past.

Ok but just know that you are wrong..

:y:

What makes you think Silva will stop GSP from taking him down, Silva has only faced one dominate wrestler in his UFC career, and he was taken down and beaten up for 23 minutes and could have easily lost that fight, if Sonnen just ran away like Silva likes to do.

I was right about everything I've said, so I think maybe you are the one who is wrong.

Silva has also ko'd lhw's in the first round in the UFC.. I think his striking could keep gsp at bay, and prolly ko him while he was shooting in..

It didn't keep Sonnen at bay...

Henderson took Silva down too I believe.

We've established he has KO power, he won't be KO'ing anyone off his back though.

Both those guys walk around at well over 200lbs..

He can choke people out, which he did to both of the guys who "took him down"..

But Henderon and Sonnen both have terrible BJJ.

http://www.wholesalebarsupplies.com/...fat-straws.jpg

Here's some more straws for you to grasp at..

GSP would beat up Hederson, Rampage, and then Anderson Silva, in that order, in a single evening.

:roll:

Maybe not the last one, but the first two bums wouldn't be a problem...

and then 3-4 months later he would beat up Anderson Silva.

quick point about the LHWs he KO'd.

Irvin and Griffin are both guys whose style involves going straight ahead.

They were picked because style-wise they were LIKELY to get KTFO'd.

GSP broke Kosh's orbital bone.

Ahahahahahahahahah

French Flag G-String

That is your new name..

HATE Stefan Struve so fucking bad.

He's not unstoppable but neither is Silva, and what I'm saying is he could potentially take it to Silva no matter how big he is. It's a good stylistic match for him, but like George said, he'd need to be walking around at 200 pounds to make it feasible.


And against George, BJ Penn doesn't have what it takes to beat him and has proven thus on two occasions. It's not like either time was some flash knockout, GSP proved both times to be better on the ground and able to take him down, and in the 2nd fight also out struck him. Oh also, his conditioning is also a million times better.

Georges*

Gorgeous*

Saw the PPV finally, great fights throughout the night.

Just wanted to say this:

If it was Kos vs. some lower level fighter, and it was the lower level fighter's orbital bone in their eye socket that was broken, fight over.

Doctor could have stopped the fight, fans would have booed, but he would have been right to do so.

When the stakes are high, the rules are a little different. Not saying it's right but I'm also not saying it's wrong.

Fair enough. I'm just saying that, with people bitching about how GSP didn't stop Kos, that he did enough to do so. It was retarded judging and an easily influenced doctor that kept it going.

People who complain about him not finishing a fight are fucking retards and have no appreciation for competition and athleticism.

mmk...

First I am on the fence on GSP silva because GSP has some of the best takedows in the UFC but he doesnt have the best ground wrestling... not grappling, ground wrestling. Theres a difference. If a guy does not want to be on his back, he has trouble keeping him there. Look at how Koz popped back up after he was taken down. Even hardy was able to get up to his feet a couple times which is unacceptable for the skills he has.

Silva is capable of cutting below 170. His fight right before he was in the UFC was at 169. So while he may be bigger than GSP normally, hes not that much bigger. You also have to understand GSP stays in top notch shape all the time. Watching the stairdowns and fight between him and Alves showed that GSP was a much bigger human, but apparently Alves was over 30lbs heavier.


Stop bringing up Henderson in terms of his wrestling being great blah blah... He cant shoot a double leg to save his life. He is only good at the clinch and hes not that dominant on the ground. Any true wrestler will tell you that a grecco only olympic champion would never come close to that level in normal wrestling, however the reverse can be true.

Dont look at silva's performance against sonnen as a picture on how to beat the guy. Sonnen went in there punched him in the mouth, and never had his hands off of him the whole time. He was so aggressive so fast, that silva couldnt recover. Its like when the ball gets rolling in football and a team starts scoring at will. Sonnens best thing he did in that fight was keep silva down after he took him down.

GSP cant just go in there aggresivly for takedowns, his shots are very tactical and set up. If Silva decides to sit back and counterpunch, that is how the fight will unfold because GSP is no different other than when an opponent gets aggressive, he shoots under them and takes them down, while silva just circles away.

Any time a fight ends before the final bell its considered a stoppage no matter what.

You're knowledgeable as hell on this stuff Reavant, I thought I already knew a lot on the sport, but I have learned from you, however, you're dead wrong in that statement and it's misleading to people.

Alves was 170 at the weigh ins for the GSP fight and when you look at the two square off, he looks much bigger than GSP and Alves is only like 5'8 or 5'9.

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-100/g...iago-alves.jpg

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I think GSP has the perfect body type for welterweight, but walking around at a normal weight of 5'10, 180 makes a difference when you're going against a man the caliber of Silva who walks around at 6'2, 210. Especially when you consider the extra weight Silva might put on after the weigh ins going into the fight.

Silva has also KOed men like Forrest Griffin who are even bigger, stronger and have a better chin than GSP