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IC Champion 12-20-2010 12:15 AM

StrikeForce planning for an 8 man Heavyweight Tournament in 2011
 
http://www.lowkick.com/Strikeforce/S...-in-2011-11289

StrikeForce planning for an 8 man Heavyweight Grand Prix Tournament in 2011

Californian based MMA Promotion StrikeForce are set to hold an 8 man Heavyweight Grand Prix tournament in 2011. The tournament is set to feature some of StrikeForce's best known talent and will include their reigning Heavyweight Champion Alistair ''The Demolition Man'' Overeem, who won the K-1 World Grand Prix last weekend in Saitama, Japan.

Alongside the Reem, fighters such as Fedor Emelianenko, Josh Barnett, Fabricio Werdum, Big Foot Silva, Brett Rogers, Andrei Arlovski, and Sergei Kharitonov are all set the feature in the tournament. The fighters are all in negotiations about taking part, it is unknown whether or not the scheduled bout between Fedor Emelianenko and Antonio Silva will serve as part of the tournament.

The tournament will take place over three different events, unlike some of the Grand Prix's that take place in just one night. The Athletic commissions in America are very hesitant to approve of one night tournaments, so this shouldn't be a problem for StrikeForce.

IC Champion 12-20-2010 12:16 AM

This would be awesome, but I'm not so optimistic Strikeforce can make it happen.

SlickyTrickyDamon 12-20-2010 12:21 AM

No lashley?

IC Champion 12-20-2010 12:24 AM

LOL, Lashley has would get murdered by everyone of those guys.

Impact! 12-20-2010 07:24 AM

I doubt it

Impact! 12-20-2010 08:47 AM

Also that's in reference to the tournament, not Lashley getting destroyed (he would absolutely get murdered).

Next Big Thing 12-20-2010 09:59 AM

If Overeem is the champion why the fuck are they doing a tournament? Why can't they just put the match ups people want to see together? It's not hard. Alistair vs. Werdum for the heavyweight title since Werdum beat Fedor. Fedor vs. Big Foot for the # 1 contender spot. Winners fight winners. Losers fight losers and let the other guys sort it out.

IC Champion 12-20-2010 01:18 PM

Because a tournament would be awesome, and give them something to gte noticed by the casual fan.

Next Big Thing 12-20-2010 01:35 PM

I don't see how this gets the casual fan interested. A tournament over three events might as well just be separate matches instead.

Their heavyweight champion has defended the belt once in the last three years but now Coker's going to be able to get him to do a tournament? Fedor has renegotiated with Strikeforce after every fight he's had. They're renegotiating with him now... and he's coming off a fucking loss! Plus Fedor hasn't fought more than two times since 2005 so I don't see him participating in a tournament taking place over three events.

Look at the names they're including outside of Overeem and Fedor. CSAC hasn't even reinstated Barnett yet and Barnett is a guy who has failed a steroid test three times. Doubt the fans will be clamoring to see him. Brett Rogers isn't a name people want to see either. He's already lost big time to Fedor and Overeem. Arlovski, while I love him to death, isn't much better because he's lost to Rogers, Silva and Fedor all consecutively, so if you're the casual fan, you've already seen him get beat on t.v.

And again, it's not like all of these fights would be taking place in one night which would mean at least two of the events will be Fedor and Overeem KOing people they've already KOed. Why not just cut the bullshit and have the top four heavyweights, Fedor, Overeem, Silva and Werdum fight each other for the championship and number one contender spots?

MoFo 12-20-2010 01:57 PM

Im convinced Barnett will fail another drug test and this whole tournament will fall apart.

Next Big Thing 12-20-2010 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoFo (Post 3363255)
Im convinced Barnett will fail another drug test and this whole tournament will fall apart.

Barnett's testosterone is probably so low from the years of steroid abuse that he could get Chael's shady doctor to give him a script.

I think it's more likely that Fedor and Overeem will make it to the finals and the fight will never take place because M1 will demand to renegotiate again. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if Bellator surpasses Strikeforce as the #2 MMA company in the next five years.

James Toney vs. Herschel Walker would probably draw more casual fans than the first two events of that tournament. Hell, a Gina Carano weigh in would probably draw more casual fans than the opening fights of that tournament.

MoFo 12-20-2010 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NBT
I think it's more likely that Fedor and Overeem will make it to the finals and the fight will never take place because M1 will demand to renegotiate again.


Yeah, that as well. Way too many obstacles to overcome. It would end up like the Showtime Super 6 with fighters pulling out and shit.

IC Champion 12-20-2010 03:21 PM

If it happens it's gonna be a big deal, the novelty of a tournament alone will attract viewers, and help gain some recognition for Strikeforce.

IC Champion 01-05-2011 12:04 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/...ory?id=5989025


Shit starts if feburary, makes me hard to think about it.

IC Champion 01-05-2011 12:07 AM

Fedor/Silva should be interesting, Silva had trouble with Mike Kyle in the stand up in his last fight, so I hope we get to see Fedor smash his face in.

Overeem/Werdum should also be epic.

IC Champion 01-06-2011 03:44 PM

Nobody else gives a fuck, really? Come on people, it a heavyweight tournament with some of the best in the world, no anyone?

Reavant 01-06-2011 06:11 PM

apparently it is happening. andrei has been training for it

Krimzon7 01-06-2011 06:17 PM

and, i give a fuck

weather vane 01-06-2011 06:32 PM

Sounds mint

IC Champion 01-06-2011 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 3382891)
apparently it is happening. andrei has been training for it

I'd love to see Arlovski get a win or two,.

MoFo 01-06-2011 07:57 PM

^^ Same. Think he'll get smashed by Barnett tho, thats if he makes it out of the first round. Such a disappointment recently.

Wanna see Overeem/Werdum pretty bad tho.

IC Champion 01-06-2011 08:07 PM

Whoevers comes out of this will have a very strong case for being the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world, especially if it's Werdum, Overeem or Fedor.

IC Champion 01-06-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoFo (Post 3383009)
^^ Same. Think he'll get smashed by Barnett tho, thats if he makes it out of the first round. Such a disappointment recently.

Wanna see Overeem/Werdum pretty bad tho.

I think Arlovski just needs to find a better camp, like Jackson or Xtreme Couture, I don't think it's so much Arlovski has fallen off as everybody else has gotten that much better. He used to be the best boxer at HW, now he's being outstruck by Antonio Silva.

IC Champion 01-06-2011 08:13 PM

I know Freddy Roach was his boxing coach, no idea who his MMA coach is.

The Mask 01-07-2011 02:01 AM

i care about werdum/overeem and the winner probably fighting fedor. but other than that i don't give a toss. i don't think werdum could beat fedor again anyway, he just overcommitted last time and got caught out.

Krimzon7 01-07-2011 02:39 PM

I'm not sure why, but the brackets have a 'anti climatic' feel to it. I mean if Werdum beats Overeem, then beats Fedor again...I mean it wouldn't matter who came out the other bracket. Barnett and Arlovski are 'names' but c'mon son! I can't see them winning UNLESS this was a one night tourney.

But crazier things have happended.

and I can't wait to watch!

Krimzon7 01-07-2011 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mask (Post 3383318)
i care about werdum/overeem and the winner probably fighting fedor. but other than that i don't give a toss. i don't think werdum could beat fedor again anyway, he just overcommitted last time and got caught out.


I'm sure we can argue this point down, but Fedor didn't just get 'caught out'.
Werdum put a gorgeous display of jits from his guard. He went for the triangle, transitioned to an armbar, and finished with both! Fedor didn't stand a chance.

And I love you Mask, I just don't want to diminish the beautiful display of Jiu Jitsu that Werdum displayed in closing that fight out.

The Mask 01-07-2011 05:54 PM

i'm not saying he did though :'( its more that when you're whooping a world class bjj guy on his feet in the first minute you don't necessarily have to jump into his guard to finish the fight. anderson silva doesn't jump in when he knocks most guys down.

Krimzon7 01-07-2011 06:32 PM

but GOT DAMN!!!! I wanna see Overeem/Werdum! I wanna see Overeem/Fedor! and I wanna see Overeem/Barnett.

The way it plays out this would definitely cement SF's heavy weight champ as the baddest man on the planet

Next Big Thing 01-07-2011 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krimzon7 (Post 3384043)
but GOT DAMN!!!! I wanna see Overeem/Werdum! I wanna see Overeem/Fedor! and I wanna see Overeem/Barnett.

The way it plays out this would definitely cement SF's heavy weight champ as the baddest man on the planet

It depends on who wins. If it's Overeem or Fedor then yes. If Werdum wins out then not so much considering how Junior Dos Santos dismantled Werdum when they fought.

Of course, there's no real way we can tell because the UFC guys will never fight the Strikeforce guys, but as of right now... in my humble opinion, Strikeforce has the more appealing heavyweight roster on paper.

Reavant 01-08-2011 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 3383017)
I think Arlovski just needs to find a better camp, like Jackson or Xtreme Couture, I don't think it's so much Arlovski has fallen off as everybody else has gotten that much better. He used to be the best boxer at HW, now he's being outstruck by Antonio Silva.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Instant Classic (Post 3383020)
I know Freddy Roach was his boxing coach, no idea who his MMA coach is.

Thats not what his problem was in the silva fight. I didnt find out until recently and it will probably come out after his next fight because he wont be able to hide it.

IC Champion 01-08-2011 01:13 PM

Well now I need to know what it is. Also tell him to fucking shave that ridiculous beard already.

IC Champion 01-08-2011 01:15 PM

I just read that he actually started training with Jackson after he lost to Rogers. Can't blame him, no way someone with his supposed boxing skill should be getting knocked out by Rogers.

Krimzon7 01-17-2011 12:47 AM

Interesting read here...sounds a lot like Pride, but totally feels like a potential clusterfuck.

Humbly submitted for your reading pleasure:

Contrary to initial reports, Alistair Overeem’s Strikeforce heavyweight title will not be on the line at any point during the promotion’s upcoming heavyweight grand prix.

Since the eight-man, single-elimination tournament was formally announced in early January, word has circulated that Overeem’s title would be up for grabs in each of the champion’s bouts. During a Thursday media conference call, Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker clarified both the rules and structure of the tournament.

“The winner of the final match will be crowned Strikeforce World Grand Prix champion, and he’ll receive an opportunity to fight for the Strikeforce heavyweight belt at that time,” Coker explained. If Overeem were to come out on top, Coker said that Strikeforce would look at having the reigning champ fight an opponent whom he did not meet in the tournament.

Along with Overeem, the bracket includes such notable heavyweights as Fedor Emelianenko, Fabricio Werdum, Antonio Silva, Josh Barnett and Andrei Arlovski. The tournament is set to begin on Feb. 12 at Strikeforce “Fedor vs. Silva,” which takes place at the Izod Center in East Rutherford, N.J. The promotion is still shopping for a location and date for the tournament’s second round. Coker stated that “pending injuries, the semifinals would be late June, July.”

While it was initially thought that each tournament bout would consist of five, five-minute rounds, all quarterfinal and semifinal matches will be scheduled for the standard three five-minute periods. Only the tournament final remains a five-round affair.

“We just didn’t feel that it was fair for one person to fight five rounds, one person to fight three rounds,” said Coker. “There was debate about, well, should the final fight -- which is five rounds -- be a title fight? But then, what if Alistair wasn’t there? It just became very confusing.”

In the case that any of the tournament’s matches are ruled a draw, Coker revealed that a fourth judge will be on hand to score the bout independently and select a winner “based on overall performance.” The rule is similar to that of longtime official Nelson “Doc” Hamilton’s proposed Martial Arts Specific Scoring system.

Of course, with any tournament comes the possibility of a participant being sidelined by injury. While a trio of reserve bouts has been booked for the Feb. 12 event, Coker said that the selection process for a replacement fighter, if needed, would be more involved than a simple swap.

“If a fighter qualifies to advance in the tournament but, for any reason, cannot advance, we’re forming a five-person tournament review committee who will select a fighter to advance in his place,” said Coker. “This fighter will be chosen from a pool of fighters that includes the previous opponent and the winners of the reserve matches.”

Heading the tournament review committee will be Strikeforce rules director Cory Schafer. Names of the other tournament committee members and further tournament rules are expected to be released shortly.

MoFo 02-10-2011 12:46 AM

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Dan Henderson is not a heavyweight, but he told Strikeforce he’d consider competing in the promotion’s upcoming heavyweight tournament.

“They had kind of approached me about fighting in that heavyweight tournament just to see how I’d feel about it,” Henderson revealed recently during a “Savage Dog Show” interview on the Sherdog Radio Network. “I told them I was open to it. It was interesting. Definitely a huge challenge, and that’s one of the reasons why I’m still in the sport, just to challenge myself.”

Henderson is no stranger to fighting in tournaments or against heavier competition. After winning two four-man tournaments to start his career, he captured the 32-man Rings “King of Kings” field in February 2000. En route to the finals he won a split decision over future heavyweight great Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira.

“I think there’s a couple of matchups that would have been interesting for me or fun to do,” Henderson said of the Strikeforce tournament. “I don’t think I would have won the tournament by any means, but possibly. Of course I said that when I went into that Rings ‘King of Kings’ tournament. I didn’t think I was going to win it, but I was going to do my best.”

Henderson, who has competed as light as 183 pounds, said his participation was nixed because Strikeforce had no trouble finding heavyweights. The field is strong with Fedor Emelianenko, Alistair Overeem, Fabricio Werdum, Antonio Silva, Andrei Arlovski, Sergei Kharitonov, Josh Barnett and Brett Rogers.

The tournament will play out over multiple events, meaning no one will have to fight more than once in a single night. Although Henderson understands the value of letting fighters come in fresh, he doesn’t disagree with how tournaments were run earlier in his career either. On four occasions he fought multiple times in the same night.

“There’s also something to seeing what some of these fighters are made of on the inside and making them push through two or three fights in a night,” Henderson said.

Strikeforce plans on completing the tournament this year, meaning someone will have to win three fights in 2011. Henderson likes the odds on two fighters in particular.

“I would probably have to put money on either Fedor or Overeem,” he said. “Overeem hasn’t really been tested lately past the first few minutes of a fight. He’s a monster. He’s a beast these days.”

Reavant 02-10-2011 12:47 AM

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IC Champion 02-10-2011 05:38 PM

I want to be more excited, Im sure it will get bigger when Saturday comes.

Also, if Arlovski doesn't win, I'm holding Reavant responsible.

Reavant 02-10-2011 07:45 PM

i trained with him twice before this event and it was before the event was announced. :p

Grablot 02-12-2011 10:05 PM

This will be a moment that define Fedore's future imo. If he loses here he will be realized as washed up. If he wins then his loss will have less impact. But I think there is a good chance he will loose against Silva IMO what do u think?

Jura 02-12-2011 11:53 PM

I'm backing Fedor.

Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 12:00 AM

Antonio Silva's chin is so big he might as well paint a bullseye on it. I think Fedor's gonna get a first round KO.

Jura 02-13-2011 12:09 AM

Arlovski vs the other dude up next.

Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 12:17 AM

Time for Arlovski to hang em up.

RoXer 02-13-2011 12:17 AM

Down goes your boy

Jura 02-13-2011 12:27 AM

Gina Carano to return to the cage soon. Here comes the Last Emperor.

SuperSlim 02-13-2011 12:40 AM

where is everyone watching this?

Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 12:49 AM

That 2nd round was fucking amazing to watch!

Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 12:49 AM

Holy shit. Stoppage! Silva won.

HeartBreakMan2k 02-13-2011 12:51 AM

Fans can boo all they want, Silva fucked him up and no way Fedor should be allowed to continue with his eye like that. Holy shit.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll 02-13-2011 12:52 AM

Fedor just got pwned.

Sherdog forums have crashed.

What Would Kevin Do? 02-13-2011 12:52 AM

I bet Fedor is wishing he would have taken that UFC contract.

Jura 02-13-2011 12:52 AM

That sucked. Fight was stopped because Fedor's eye is swollen shut. I was ready for the last round. I was thinking how Fedor constantly goes up against guys much bigger and heavier than him.

Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 12:58 AM

Nothing sucked about that fight at all. Fedor showed a hell of a lot of guts to take those shots when he was mounted and skill in avoiding being submitted by a much bigger BJJ black belt. His eye got thrashed and there was no way he should have been allowed to continue.

Somewhere Dana White has a huge shit eating grin on his face.

HeartBreakMan2k 02-13-2011 01:00 AM

Holy shit, the legend retires?!

Jura 02-13-2011 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 3429678)
Nothing sucked about that fight at all. Fedor showed a hell of a lot of guts to take those shots when he was mounted and skill in avoiding being submitted by a much bigger BJJ black belt. His eye got thrashed and there was no way he should have been allowed to continue.

Somewhere Dana White has a huge shit eating grin on his face.

I didn't say the fight sucked. I said it sucked that it ended early.

Fedor's got a bunch of cuts and bruises all over his face and some nasty ones behind his ear and either side of his neck.

NoJabbaNoBogRoll 02-13-2011 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by http://twitter.com/DANAWHITE
:)


Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jura (Post 3429681)
I didn't say the fight sucked. I said it sucked that it ended early.

Fedor's got a bunch of cuts and bruises all over his face and some nasty ones behind his ear and either side of his neck.

I kind of felt bad for him when he was walking back down the aisle and I saw how cut up and bruised he was. He stayed so humble throughout and it sucks to see a legend have to go out like that.

Dana did that :) after he lost to Werdum too. I didn't mind it then, but it wasn't necessary this time around.

Ol Dirty Dastard 02-13-2011 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeartBreakMan2k (Post 3429679)
Holy shit, the legend retires?!

For the best. he went out fighting like a fucking man, and there's no point in just letting his skills deteriorate and trying to recapture oldd glory.

Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 01:14 AM

By the way, who gives a shit about Gina Carano coming back!? Why did they feel the need to hype that. Amanda Nunes ass > Gina Carano anyways.

HeartBreakMan2k 02-13-2011 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 3429697)
By the way, who gives a shit about Gina Carano coming back!? Why did they feel the need to hype that. Amanda Nunes ass > Gina Carano anyways.

Because Gina has a ton of name value? I hate to say it, but the majority of fans in MMA are new fans or casual viewers which means Hot + Name Value (Gina) = Asses in seats. Same reason Arlovski somehow had like 20 percent of the vote tonight and Fabricio only had 3.

Jura 02-13-2011 01:17 AM

I was trying to see if they sold that jacket Fedor was wearing earlier. His shirt looks better on TV than it does on sites.

Alistair Overeem vs. Fabricio Werdum and Josh Barnett vs. Brett Rogers on April 9th possibly. Will Barnett actually stay clean and get to compete? Kind of freaky how big Overeem looks.

Icess 02-13-2011 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing (Post 3429697)
By the way, who gives a shit about Gina Carano coming back!? Why did they feel the need to hype that. Amanda Nunes ass > Gina Carano anyways.

At least announce a fight....

Or talk about something...

Or bite your lip....

Possibly show your tits...

Jura 02-13-2011 01:27 AM

Kharitonov is 1-0 vs Werdum and 1-1 vs Overeem with the most recent win going to Kharitonov so do you guys think there's a good chance this dude will actually win the grand prix if the finals are him going up against either of the two?

Icess 02-13-2011 01:31 AM

If it stays standing, or if a guy just wants to counter.

It's MMA, "where anything is possible".... Really.

Icess 02-13-2011 01:32 AM

Sherdog crashed harder than T-Dub on Diesel's return/

MoFo 02-13-2011 02:07 AM

Josh Barnett has it all bagged up

:D

Brujesino 02-13-2011 02:31 AM

I cried seeing fedor lose.:'(

IC Champion 02-13-2011 03:08 AM

Fedor doesn't need to retire, he needs to drop to LW where he won't have to face monsters who have 55 pounds on him.

IC Champion 02-13-2011 03:08 AM

Or you know, do a pull or two.

Icess 02-13-2011 03:09 AM

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/2/13...redible-career

Take his cock out of your mouth, and fuck off with the Randy bit. Fedor is a legend, but this crying over his loss is ridiculous. He should have tested himself, but he didn't. Not saying that he wasn't good, but he could have done more.

IC Champion 02-13-2011 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MoFo (Post 3429718)
Josh Barnett has it all bagged up

:D

Barnett very well could win it, he does have some decent wrestling and a good top game.

Icess 02-13-2011 03:19 AM

So could anyone else in a diluted tourney...

Though your sentence is a bit haard to reaed.

IC Champion 02-13-2011 03:22 AM

Sorry, im under the influence and very tired.

Icess 02-13-2011 03:25 AM

No shane in thaat///

No sham in...

Well, u knw wht I meanz :)

[insert cat]

MoFo 02-13-2011 03:29 AM

Lets hope nobody gets injured, cuz those stand by guys are SHIT.

Del Rosario is alright but the rest reads like a whos who of MMA jabronies.

MoFo 02-13-2011 03:40 AM

o wait, they just made Fedor an alternate :|

Reavant 02-13-2011 05:30 AM

:'(

IC Champion 02-13-2011 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 3429772)
:'(

THIS WAS ALL YOUR FAULT!

But seriously, where was Arlovskis boxing defence at, he had his hands down, let Kharitonov take away his space, and while his footwork was ok, he didn't really make much use of it. How does he expect to move to boxing if he's getting knocked out by the likes of Rodgers and Kharinonov. :-\

Reavant 02-13-2011 01:46 PM

he stopped moving and let himself get put into the fence and then got counterpunched off of a power shot.... that would be why he lost

IC Champion 02-13-2011 01:54 PM

I could see that, although he did eat a couple of soild shots before finally going out. So I didn't think it was his chin, so much as lack of protecting the chin.

IC Champion 02-13-2011 01:56 PM

He looked so good for the first 2 minutes too.

Reavant 02-13-2011 02:47 PM

yea it was depressing watching it cuz he came out blazing and looked great, and then he let himself get backed into the fence and didnt move out of the way and then he threw a wild shot and got clipped

Reavant 02-13-2011 02:47 PM

anyone notice the scar on his chest?

IC Champion 02-13-2011 03:02 PM

I kinda did, wasnt sure what i was, he have surgery or something? I know you said there was something wrong with Andrei that was keeping him from performing.

And yes, it was depressing, I was hoping for him yet again, and early it looked like he should be outbox Kharintonov, then he got caught up in a slugfest..

Grablot 02-13-2011 04:54 PM

Fedor got exposed again.

I cant believe so many people call him the best in the world.

Hardly, he got mauled and man handled by Silva like nobody's business.

He could do NOTHING to Silva, it was like watch a 3 year old kid fight a 25 year old man.
Fedor legend? I dont think so. More like washed up former legend with a bunch of wins against cans.

Overeem or Rogers are gonna take this.

Jura 02-13-2011 05:51 PM

Silva's got 4 inches and 30 lbs on Fedor, maybe even more. It's pretty hard to get that off of you. Also he had about a 7 inch reach advantage. Silva had many advantages but Despite being at a disadvantage in many of his previous fights, Fedor has beaten the odds and if the fight stayed standing up he would have had a good chance to take out Silva. He goes into every fight fearless, trying to knock out everyone in his path. Fedor is in the tail end of his career and it's not unexpected for a fighter to lose when they are in this period.

Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 06:20 PM

Honestly, I think the fact that both Werdum and Silva have better ground games than anyone Fedor has faced in about five years played a part in those losses.

People like Arlovski or Rogers didn't present as many problems stylistically.

I think Fedor jumped into Silva's guard so willingly because he underestimated that aspect of Silva's game which led to him eventually getting mounted and taking the beating that ultimately stopped the fight. Hong Man Choi was even bigger than Silva, but not as skilled so Fedor had an easier time with him.

Reavant 02-13-2011 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grablot (Post 3430182)
Fedor got exposed again.

I cant believe so many people call him the best in the world.

Hardly, he got mauled and man handled by Silva like nobody's business.

He could do NOTHING to Silva, it was like watch a 3 year old kid fight a 25 year old man.
Fedor legend? I dont think so. More like washed up former legend with a bunch of wins against cans.

Overeem or Rogers are gonna take this.

The guy went undefeated for 10 years beating some of the best fighters of the time... its not like you can just keep that shit up forever. stop being a troll

Next Big Thing 02-13-2011 06:23 PM

It sucks that so many of the casual fans are going to remember Fedor for the two losses instead of the dominance he displayed prior.

IC Champion 02-13-2011 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reavant (Post 3430240)
The guy went undefeated for 10 years beating some of the best fighters of the time... its not like you can just keep that shit up forever. stop being a troll

I know. Fedors lack of ever touching anything resembling a gym and being 230pounds of mostly chub now has caught up with him. I think if he actually got into some shape and dropped to LW he could be very competitive. I had Fedor winning the first round of the fight. Doesn't take away from anything he's done, ridiculous to state otherwise.

Grablot 02-13-2011 06:34 PM

Yo

I am not saying Fedor wasnt good in the past.

He was. But I am sayin its ridiculous that people keep calling him the best in the world when today he is far from that. And not just because of this loss or Werdum loss, hes been bad before that only he faced inferior opponents like Arlovski. Even Rogers almost beat Fedor.
Fedor USED to be the best ever (argurably) but has not been close to that for years.

Thats all im sayin...

Krimzon7 02-13-2011 06:54 PM

So, did Arlovski have heart surgery?

Reavant 02-13-2011 07:20 PM

nah

IC Champion 02-13-2011 07:29 PM

Was he stabbed, what happpened? Tell us.


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