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Daniel Bryan: The Best Wrestler No One Cares About
Now before anyone gets upset, please know that I think Danielson is an extremely talented wrestler. His pay-per-view matches tend to be the best on the card and I don't mind him as US champion. But Gertner was completely right. The crowd on NXT tonight was dead when he came out. The attempts to get interest in him (Derrick Bateman, The Bella Twins) aren't working. You know it's bad when R-Truth has to rally the crowd to get a response for him. If things don't change, I see him getting future endeavored. What will it take for the crowd to care about Bryan Danielson?
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put him up against guys like sheamus , orton, miz and morrison ,cm punk and also cena .. and making them tap out or at least wrestle to a time limit .I think that would be the best and fastest way .
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I'm already upset from the title of this thread. :foc:
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That's bullshit. He was getting chants when he wasn't even there. Fatal Fourway they were chanting his name during every single match and when the show was fading to black.
Nobody cares about NXT why would you think that NXT reactions count at all? Besides "nobody" is a stupid word to use since we care about him on TPWW. We're not nobody. |
He's only over with the smart fans who know what he's capable of. Until WWE wants him to get over, he won't. It's pretty clear they don't want him over right now, but they also don't want him left off the show. I seriously doubt he'll get future endeavored unless he goes the Low Ki route and decides to part ways.
I see his current stint as paying WWE dues. I'm not happy with it, but I don't really care. Matches like the series with Ziggler make it worth it. |
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I think he'll be just fine. He doesn't have enough of a fanbase for people to care about his random matches with even more underdeveloped characters like Tyson Kidd and Ted Dibiase. Once he gets another program with a heel that people actually care about, people will be interested again.
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He got a great reaction in Boston but that's a smark crowd.
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by the way xero ,Sheamus is looking real evil as your avatar,kinda cool.
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But yeah Bryan is not super over cause he's not really doing anything. He doesn't even really get mic time and on TV he gets the jobber entrance during commercials treatment like 60%-80% of the time, his lack of overness is not his fault at all, when he had a program he was over simple as that. |
The first 10 minutes or so of the Rumble was the best pure wrestling moment in Rumble history.
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I have enoyed Bryan's ringwork, but every time he picks up a mic, he bores the shit out of me.
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Yup and then when you factor in the Morrison display and then the entertaining Nexus dominance you had probably had one of the most entertaining Rumbles ever, until Cena at 22 and Hornswaggle at 23. It pretty much died from there. |
grrrr evil sports entertainers
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The odd thing about Bryan is, the crowd is quieter when he comes out, but they really seem to get into his matches. You can talk about his entrance, but you can't deny that in his matches with Miz, Ziggler, etc, people were solidly behind him. Now of course some credit goes to Miz and Ziggler for being excellent heels, BUT, the crowd wasn't booing them as much as they were getting behind Bryan.
I think part of the problem is because he hasn't been able to connect with the crowd. He gets a decent amount of tv time, but very little time on the actual mic. Instead, the only real info the crowd knows about him is that he's a vegan, Cole things he's a nerd, and he's dating Gail Kim. Give him a feud where he has a chance to get on the mic and actually get angry. Give him a chance to get past the goofy, smiley person, and give him a chance to get angry and competitive, and for the crowd to want to see what he's going to do. With that said, DB won't be fired anytime soon. He knows how to play the game (he's great at backstage politics stuff, not because he's using it to get ahead per se, just because he knows how he's supposed to act.) Also, he's one of the best at making other guys look good. |
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Oh, and change his music.
Classical music does not hype up the crowd. |
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I hate Daniel Bryan. I've hated him from the very start. Maybe he can wrestle in the ring, but unfortunately it takes much more then that to be a star in wrestling. He doesn't have the look going on for him. He doesn't have charisma. He sucks on the Mic. He has no gimmick of his own.
I just don't buy into it. I think the only reason so many people say they do. Is because "it's the cool thing to do". Support the underdog, the underrated, undiscovered Brian Danielson. I bet half of the jack-offs who say they support him from the indy scenes never heard of him before NxT. I in particular don't give a shit about the indy scene. And you can bash all you want, but secretly you don't give a shit either. |
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He picked the Final Countdown because it was considered one of the worst songs, and he did it as a joke. Then, it caught on, so he kept using it. I get the feeling he picked this as an inside joke to himself, but it's just awful. And seriously, it's not going to catch on, WWE has a great team, why can't they come up with something good? I mean, yeah, classic themes work for Flair and Savage, but those themes were tailored more to the rich/grand gimmick. |
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Hey I like Wagner even if he was an antisemitic dick :foc: but yea youre half right he might need a better intro to the theme But if fans can get behind Thus Spoke Zarathustra or Pomp and Circumstance They can get behind DB's theme |
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Seriously though, I've never understood the "you're doing it because it's the cool thing to do" argument. I'm fairly certain that most people here don't give two shits about like Danielson because some other people here do, and they want to be "cool." Have you ever considered that some people just like WRESTLING, and he's a good WRESTLER? |
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He'll get his time to be over with the fans. Right now they have nothing for him and they haven't given the casual WWE fan a reason to get behind him. The only place he got time to develop a character was on NXT and most casual fans didn't really watch that.
Danielson is way too good of an all around talent (yes I'm including mic skills as well) to go ignored for very long. The only way Danielson doesn't become a star in the WWE is if he goes the Val Venis route and not step up and demand feuds. |
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This is great btw!
<iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Fd_6ATumTig" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe> They fake Bryan Danielson coming out to the NXT theme and then cut into Final Countdown. |
Hey, I love the Final Countdown. Don't shoot the messenger. I just read in an interview or something that he picked it because he saw it on a list of bad songs, and thought it'd be hilarious.
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makes any argument from your end fall flat |
Dear god that ring is tiny.
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Heh sorry, I think it workes really well though it has a recognizable (not that FOV doesn't but it's really not as audible an intro) intro, a mini countdown into the rest of the song, it practically times it self. Could you imagine lights go out, the opening riff plays then when it hits the countdown part the titan trons lights up counting down and then bam DB comes out right after the countdown. |
I love Bryan; he's really won me over. He's the one guy on Raw right now whose matches I get excited for as soon as his entrance hits...he's a fantastic worker in ring; great athleticism AND ring psychology.
WWE has dropped the ball with his character a few times. The Cole shit comes to mind most readily. Cole doesn't like Daniel Bryan? Okay... so what? Why should I even care any more? It's been a one-sided feud; Bryan was never given a chance to respond to Cole's remarks. They should just phase the thing out and stop the distracting commentary. I agree that the "dorky ladies man" persona failed to pan out. Again, WWE dropped the ball. The Bella/Bryan storyline was the same thing...week after week...for far too many weeks. Now he's with Gail Kim. Who cares? I don't see it going anywhere. The most likely thing that will happen is that Kim dumps him after a month or two and it turns out Eve Torres likes hims. I guess the Kim thing could work if they made them both "super bookworm nerds" together or something. Anyone have any other thoughts on this subject? I would love a heel turn. Somewhere in between whiny-cocky-shit ala Miz and badass-who-talks-shit-and-backs-it-up. A feud with Morrison would also be gold, assuming one of them turned heel. The JoMo/Bryan matches have been some of my favorite work in recent weeks. A feud could revamp both personas if done right, and reinvigorate the US Title scene too, eventually bringing in the likes of T-Kidd, R-Truth, and Dibiase. |
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Examples: The Undertaker - "For Whom The Bell Tolls" by Metallica Chris Jericho - "Thunderkiss '65" by White Zombie Finlay - "Pride (In The Name Of Love)" by U2 |
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Bryan is over, he just needs a good angle for people to care about.
I'm getting fed up with people saying 'He sucks. They teamed him with the Bellas and he still isn't over'. Are you fucking kidding me? The Bellas? Like that's gonna work! Who the fuck cares about the Bellas? It's like 'oh we teamed him with the Bellas = instant success'. He's a fantastic wrestler and doesn't need all this crappy 'Bellas fighting over him' tackiness. Give him a legit feud with someone and he'll get over. |
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Oh no wait, that's a stupid idea... Also Bryan will be over by the time Summerslam hits! ... prolly... |
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* I made my point on this before, I don't think he was legit "fired", and had a job waiting for him after his non-compete ran out so that whole bad pub thing could blow over. |
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It's a fucking joke slap nutz. See the animated avatar? It's supposed to press on the sarcasm a little harder for people like you who can't comprehend the joke in the name itself. Clearly I have touched a nerve with you in bashing your boy Daniel Bryanson. Last I checked the topic of the thread was solely made for the debate of this very discussion. It's not like I went on a "I love Daniel Bryanson" Thread and started informing people of the truth of his lameness. So therefore I think I have every right to make any argument. With it being Absolutely, and Completely Relevant. Whether my user name be Fred Bizkit, Justin Beiber, or Larry Busey- Garry Busey's younger undiscovered Step Brother. |
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Are you seriously arguing with the fact that the majority of the people on here don't just jump on the ship with the most people? Sure people like you and I realize that this is just a simple internet forum with a bunch of nerds who have nothing else better to do with their free time.(yes this includes myself) There's no way you can seriously deny that most people, on any forum. Jump on board to "what's popular". Simply because it's popular. Maybe my wording of "doing it to be cool" wasn't the right way to say it. But the point I was trying to make is that the majority of people, especially those of the younger crowd jump on whatever's popular at the time. |
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Maybe some of the newer, younger posters behave the way you describe, but the regulars like what they say they like, and dislike what they say they dislike. You obviously don't post enough to make such accusations, as if you did, you would realize that there is a rather large group of posters who dislike daniel bryan and the indys in general. Which, by the way, pretty much proves your arguement completely false. |
I'm not entirely convinced Daniel Bryan is not over. John Morrison got lukewarm pops before they decided to re-push him, etc. The thing is, every time I've seen Bryan wrestle, he's gotten the crowd so into it. I don't watch RAW too much, but on Superstars, PPV and SmackDown! -- every time. As many have said, the guy is not really doing anything. Put him in a meaningful feud and people will get behind him.
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Which is pretty much what I said. 'They teamed with The Bellas' doesn't really count as a storyline. And nobody cares about The Bellas anyway.
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A sheepish crowd, he says.
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Daniel Bryan and Ted Dibiase are actually in a similar position, both of them were paired with divas they didn't necessarily have chemistry with and people complained that it didn't get them instantly over so they must totally suck.
The thing is the Bellas are not over, Maryse isn't really over for that matter so why would Bryan and Dibiase get over by association alone? They are just being given "something to do" at the moment instead of being pushed, take a look at the poor reactions Morrison was getting six months ago compared to the pops he's getting now. |
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Dolph Ziggler and Daniel Bryan just don't create any spark for me...
Total lack of charisma or passion. I think he needs to get taken out backstage or do something really heroic to get over with the crowd and that just hasn't happened yet either. |
He's not remotely over and never will be over because the crowd doesn't want to see somebody who resembles their english teacher wrestle, especially a style that is submission based. Combine that with he's bad on the mic and it aint gonna happen.
Stop with this bullshit that he's over. R Truth was pleading with the damn crowd to chant his name because he's so quiet. Stop making excuses. |
i didnt say they were a sheepish crowd, i said almost, and in this case it worked. like i said the energy in Boston was at a fever pitch the whole night. i still get chills seeing booker t's entrance, and listening to that huge ovation he got. plus Striker with his whole mark out thing was nice. this is the rare instance i think that the crowd cheerin almost everyone worked gloriously.
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Fuck what happens on NXT. I only watch it to ask questions to the Fink which he usually gets to about one a show (rdamon1982 is my name on there if you ever see me in the chat.) They also allow me to call Brodus Clay King Koopa at least once a show and even got my DOOMSHIP comment when he came out last week. The fans aren't into it because it's a bad concept. That's why they didn't ever put John Cena, Randy Orton, The Big Show, The Undertaker or Kane as pros. They don't want their real main event talent tarnished by bad crowd reactions and mehs. That's why they got the Miz and Michael Cole off of it too. It made Michael Cole an asshole and then they got him off the sinking ship when they realize the time was up. The main announcer on the show is only there because he has nowhere else he can commentate on because he sucked on Smackdown and sucks as an interviewer. The show sucks because of the concept not because of the talent. If any stars are made by NXT at this point you should just go ahead and call it an act of God. They should get Alberto Del Rio off that show right fucking now if they know what is good for them. Make Brodus Clay's pro Ricardo Rodriquez he's over enough to survive. The fans seem to like the relationship between Daniel Bryan and Derrick Bateman. Maybe last night was just an isolated incident with a lackluster crowd. They know they are getting the B (Smackdown) and the C (NXT) shows and are pissed of that they missed The Royal Rumble and Monday Night Raw. The Blackman jokes went over. NXT is a comedy show not a wrestling show. It's a game show with a little bit of wrestling thrown in so they can say its still sport entertainment. It's like the Bobby the Brain Heenan Show and just like USA Network did the 1980;s SyFy was like "get this non-wrestling show off we have a contract for sports entertainment." What gets filmed first? NXT or Smackdown? Maybe the fans are just too tired from Smackdown or are saving their pops for Smackdown. |
Anyone that thinks Daniel Bryan isn't good on the mic simply hasn't heard him on the mic.
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I'm really tired of the Hate towards Daniel Bryan.
he is a great wrestler and is maybe a future world champion if he gets used right. note: for anyone hates daniel bryan keep the damn hate to yourself! (p.s + rep for anyone who is a fan of bryan.) |
Gertner, it must be so cool to be the only internet wrestling fan who isn't fat or a nerd. Tell me more about it.
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I don't get why anyone would hate a guy that has worked his way up the ranks of the business for the last 10+ years. If you find him boring, fine. But to "Hate" the guy!?
As has been said, he needs a proper fued. The way I see this thing with Kim is that it's an attempt to make her relevant again (at last). |
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Yeah its really hard to care about someone who is booked shitty. Put him in some feuds with top tier guys and let them go. People will care. No one cares about this Bellas shit.
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Every other time he has picked up a mic since then (basically his feud with Miz) he has been kinda bland. |
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Have Bryan's ladies man gimmick take a turn. Him and Gail go heel, and are joined by Awesome Kong and A.J.
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Glad someone did this thread.
He is totally right. He is not over, its not working. They are trying to do stuff with him and the fans are not reacting. And before we get a bunch of smarks going, 'WELL THEY GAVE HIM A BAD GIMMICK ITS NOT HIS FAULT!' save it because they pushed him hard when he first got there. His first match was with the WHC Chris Jericho, while he was still on NXT he would wrestle on RAW in main-event matches with The Miz and Batista. Oh and lets not forget that he was booked in the biggest angle of 2010 with the Nexus invasion. So ITS HIS FUCKING FAULT HE IS NOT OVER! |
They gave Dusty Rhodes polka dots, he made it work.
They gave Dustin Rhodes a wig and lust for dudes, he made it work. They gave Booker T a crown and a speach impedement, he made it work. If he's half as good as the IWC thinks he is then make it work. |
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Ok, they gave Dustin Runnels a wig and lust for dudes. What did they give Daniel Bryan? Nothing. I am not a huge Daniel Bryan mark. I enjoy his ring work, but have not been impressed by anything else, besides slightly enjoying that promo he cut on NXT. And I do think his fans make excuses for him. That said, he is nowhere near the failure his detractors say he is. Just because he isn't getting Cena or Orton pops doesn't mean he is not over. He still gets a decent reaction from the crowd, which is fine for where he is on the card. |
Ziggler and Bryan had some of the best matches of WWE in 2010. That's really all I care about when it comes down to it (him having good matches, that is).
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Funny that you bring up Dustin Runnels, because before Goldust came along, he was in the same boat. Good wrestler, decent reaction from the crowd, but was never really given anything to go off of personality wise.
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Changing his music would definitely help.
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On the subject of "no one wants to see submission style wrestling": they can if he was pushed as a bad-ass submission machine that laid waste and made everyone he came across tap out. You know, like they did with Angle, or like Benoit, or like Taz(z) before they made him a joke. Doesn't work so well when it isn't being showcased. I also guarantee "Ride of the Valkyries" would get over in that instance too.
On the subject of "not being given anything to work with": he's not. Yeah, Undertaker took being a glorified mortician to heights beyond anyones imagination... but do you think he could have pulled that same shit off if he were given gimmicks like "The Dumpster" or whateverthefuck "Bastian Booger" was? Doubtful. Cody Rhodes was kinda floundering like Ted, and one Diva's poll changed his life. If there were no "Die Rocky Die" backlash, you think he would have been the star he is today? That shitty "3rd generation superstar" thing he was initally saddled with wasn't working for him. Or Orton. Give Danielson something he can run with that (say it with me now) PLAYS TO HIS STRENGTHS! On the subject of "it being his fucking fault he's not over": By that logic, Christian isn't world champion by now because of his own mistakes? Get the fuck outta here! I couldn't get over either if everything that WERE working to get the crowd behind me gets inexplicably derailed. "OH SHIT, HE JUST CURB STOMPED COLE AND... oh, wait, that's done?" "Wha, hey! US Title feud with DiBiase and... nevermind." Taken off of TV for choking Justin Roberts with a tie (which Justin sold like a champ! What a trooper!). Now, what's he doing? Condoning cheating on a show proven that no one cares about and unsuccessfully trying to keep Gail Kim off of a Bella. This makes him look foolish. This does not help him. This does not aid in getting him over. |
Ah Tom Guycott, your efforts are noble, but sadly people right now are more excited about a possible feud between The Big Show and a 51-year-old-well-past-his-prime (if he ever had one) Kevin Nash, than a brilliant wrestler like Daniel Bryan.
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Seeing as it's WM season and a lot seems to be revolving around other stars right now - Nash and Booker might have some role in WM storylines, the 21st might reveal something new aswell, there's Corre and Nexus running about - given all that I doubt that Bryan will be seeing a gimmick change or an actual push until after WM.
I'm not saying he wont be at WM defending the US title or some such thing (maybe unification could be on the cards for WM?), but I doubt anything major will change until after WM! Another aspect is that you don't want to leave your crowd with too many changes all at once. Let's just assume that Sting returns - not only will people be unlikely to lively discuss how Bryan just made Gail Kim tap out, the WWE wont make that change to Bryan exactly because nothing (midcard) should potentially outshine their big change! After WM I think we could expect a push for Bryan - although I doubt it'll be making Gail Kim tap out. . . |
Nice reaction Bryan got on NXT this week......oh wait.
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It was in Boston, a huge smark city. How'd he fare on Raw and NXT this week?
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Does anyone get a reaction on NXT?
The show isn't even on TV and the majority of fans didn't watch it when it was. They film it before SmackDown right? The show that the people have paid to see. If anything NXT is just annoying to the live audience. |
Gertner's just a troll. Who cares what he thinks?
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It's second only to discounting a huge pop Daniel Bryan hypothetically gets at WrestleMania. |
Daniel Bryan consistently gets one of the better reactions on NXT. I've watched bits and pieces, but Bryan is constantly getting the fans to chant "Bateman" for his rookie and such. He's gotten Bateman over (not despite Bateman -- I like the guy and he is working in his own favour) to the point where he's got to be the favourite to take NXT, despite hardly ever winning any matches.
Also, I once heard Shawn Michaels come out to a pretty much nothing pop on RAW once. It happens. You get audiences that don't pop much. If Gertner is looking for that standing ovation every time he comes out, then it's not going to happen. The WWE is obviously very happy with Daniel Bryan: * These days he wins more often than he loses, and is constantly making bitches tap out. He's also the longest reigning current champion in the WWE. * Just look at how he was treated in the Royal Rumble. Given the early spotlight with CM Punk, and hung in there with him, and eliminated two guys (Justin Gabriel and Zack Ryder). These guys ARE over, and it shows where the WWE puts them in comparison to Bryan. * He got featured in a segment, albeit filler, prior to the actual Rumble Match. I'm trying to remember if we even have a Cena backstage interview at the PPV. The WWE wants Bryan to get over, and they're going to keep trying with him. Also, who says that the WWE doesn't like Bryan coming out to the quiet classical music, and then kicking ass and getting the fans into a frenzy? Maybe the WWE doesn't actually want Bryan to come out to hardcore rock music and getting the fans pumped right from the get-go? Vince has had weird fetishes in the past. |
Justin Gabriel and Zach Ryder are over on superstars, come on.
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I'd say Justin Gabriel was like the only other member of The Nexus who got over quickly, just for his 450 Splash.
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