|
NFL 2011 Off Season Thread
Another long wait till next season. :(
|
It's going to be even longer this year :(
|
2011 NFL Offseason thread.
|
Wow seeing this thread is depressing.
|
<font color=goldenrod>Gonna cry if there's no football next year. Greedy fucking owners.</font>
|
<font color=goldenrod>I think there WILL be football next year - but I honestly think it will be a shortened season. The agreement will take ages to reach and only when it is reached can free agents start signing. Then the players have to get ready and all that shit (which they won't do if there is a work stoppage).
8-10 week season probably, nearly all of the games being against division rivals. So for whoever wins the SB that year it will feel underwhelming.</font> |
Quote:
|
Kiper's Top 25
Nick Fairley * DT6-5310 Analysis: In great position, you'd have to doubt he does full workouts in Indy. A force all season, even when not 100 percent; a perfect fit for a 4-3 interior. Last week: No. 1 Da'Quan Bowers * DE6-4277 Analysis: The most gifted pure pass-rusher on the Board, Bowers has followed through on his talent. An ideal 4-3 DE, but he has a chance as a 3-4 edge. Last week: No. 2 A.J. Green * WR6-4207 Analysis: Allays any speed fears with improved route-running, and speed is fine. Green has worked hard to become a complete WR. Last week: No. 3 Patrick Peterson * CB6-1211 Analysis: An extraordinary athlete, Peterson doesn't just have safety size, he'd measure up to a lot of RBs. Great special-teams returner as well. Last week: No. 4 Marcell Dareus * DE6-3306 Analysis: A solid penetrator; pass-rush skills trump run-stopping performance thus far, which is a reason I can see him becoming a solid 3-4 DE. Last week: No. 5 Prince Amukamara CB6-1202 Analysis: Top marks for instincts, ball awareness and really good hands. It's as if he's running the WRs route sometimes. Ready to start. Last week: No. 6 Robert Quinn * DE6-4267 Analysis: Great natural pass-rusher, solid athlete, serious motor. He'll be a little raw but should shine during the workout process. Last week: No. 7 Von Miller LB6-3243 Analysis: Miller proved to scouts that he's more than a sack artist this season. He showed coverage skills to go along with known pass-rush production. Last week: No. 9 Blaine Gabbert * QB6-5232 Analysis: Strong arm, good mobility, prototype in terms of physical skills. The top QB on the Board in Luck's absence, he will be under the microscope. Last week: No. 8 Nate Solder OT6-9313 Analysis: A physical specimen, has great length, ability to add bulk to chiseled frame. Will shine in workout phase, and draft is short on elite offensive tackles. Last week: No. 11 Akeem Ayers * OLB6-4251 Analysis: Exceptional athleticism makes him versatile, but his production has also been very good. Long, with ideal OLB build, skills for 3-4 at next level. Last week: No. 12 Julio Jones * WR6-4211 Analysis: When healthy, Jones was dominant; when not, he was still good in 2010. Overcame drop issues; improved route-running showed off speed. Last week: No. 10 Cam Newton * QB6-6250 Analysis: Great size and athleticism, but also underrated accuracy. Extends plays; good patience. Lacks experience and refinement aside from throwing motion. Last week: No. 15 Cameron Jordan DE6-4283 Analysis: A great Senior Bowl week for Jordan. Versatile, coming from 3-4, but ideal size for 4-3. Solid vs. run, should improve rush. Last week: NR Aldon Smith * OLB6-4262 Analysis: Great frame and athleticism; Smith has some raw elements to his game but he can rush the passer and could develop into a stud on the edge. Last week: No. 14 Ryan Kerrigan DE6-4259 Analysis: Production is no concern for possible 3-4 OLB, or 4-3 DE. Kerrigan led nation with 26 TFL and was impossible to block, even against double-teams. Last week: No. 13 Mark Ingram * RB5-10216 Analysis: Patient runner, knows how to set up and wait for blocks; big-time competitor; good burst but not top-end speed. Won't shy from contact. Last week: No. 17 Gabe Carimi OT6-7327 Analysis: A solid year of tape, battling a number of high draft picks. Better footwork, added consistency. Excellent frame; could go LT or RT. Last week: No. 19 Tyron Smith * OT6-5290 Analysis: Could become top tackle here. Good frame, athleticism and quickness; could add bulk, but deceptive leverage, strength. Last week: No. 22 Adrian Clayborn DE6-3282 Analysis: Good size, capable of playing 3-4 DE. Good motor; batters O-linemen. Needs to refine rush skills; down year for sacks but faced more attention. Last week: No. 16 J.J. Watt * DE6-6286 Analysis: Watt offers versatility, as a fit in either a 3-4 or 4-3 scheme. Relentless worker, solid pass-rush skills. Precise weight a question. Last week: No. 18 Anthony Castonzo OT6-7306 Analysis: Smart, reliable with solid footwork, but could add lower-body strength and overall bulk to improve leverage. Consistent worker; smart player. Last week: No. 21 Muhammad Wilkerson * DT6-5306 Analysis: Committed earlier than I expected, but has first-round talent. Scheme-flexible, disruptive, strong penetrator, could work in 3-4 or 4-3. Last week: No. 24 Torrey Smith WR6-1200 Analysis: Not just a speed threat, Smith has been productive. Good size, solid technician, can work over the top or underneath. Last week: NR Rahim Moore * S6-1197 Analysis: Top overall safety, with outstanding coverage skills. Has improved tackling, ability to help near the line of scrimmage. Great instincts; ballhawk. Last week: NR |
What will the Panthers do with that #1 pick?
|
Trade down for a later pick in the round and maybe another one in round 2? I wouldn't want to pay for first round number one draft pick and then have them not even play.
|
Quote:
|
Instead of drafting another DE, I hope the Giants get some LBs. It's definitely the weak link of the defense.
That and Antrelle Rolle. |
Anybody here play Madden NFL Superstars on Facebook? I'm addicted to that game right now.
|
Just an interesting little fact about last Sundays Super Bowl
Quote:
|
last Sundays Super Bowl
|
I thought he meant next Sunday's Super Bowl
|
That should make the Canadian Football League people pretty depressed.
|
Quote:
The owners who sit in the luxury suites have the power already and will still be filthy rich whether there is football or not. Whereas the players who are the ones busting their asses and risking injury each and every week are the ones backed into the corner, especially the guys about to hit free agency and who will be unemployed until this is resolved. Sure, a lot of players will still be well off without paychecks, but they aren't making anywhere close to the amount the owners make. If/when this gets settled, the owners will still get the better end of the deal by a huge margin. I doubt most (but not all) of them care that football is important to a lot of people in this country...so they have little reason to cave in to the players.</font> |
Wayne Weaver already has caved in, but he is a push over so no suprise there.
|
Hope Amukamara falls to Dallas..and they better fucking draft him if he's there.
|
Quote:
|
Wow. Tennesee Fires their OC who is battling Cancer.
Harsh. |
Cam Newton wants Brett Favre to be his mentor to improve his stock position and playing ability.
|
And Haynesworth with the sexual assault. Score!
Tough week there, buddy? |
Quote:
|
Going to try to get more into football next season. Need to learn the game better though.
|
It's not hard to learn FA. You'll love it. Guaranteed.
Oh and your favorite team is the Kansas City Chiefs. *waves hand like a Jedi* |
Triple A, get off your ass and sticky this. :mad:
|
Guarantee the Giants will end up with a first rounder that makes no sense, like a fullback or another defensive end.
|
Colts released Bob Sanders today. Wow. I know he's been injury prone but still kinda surprising they gave up on him now.
|
I think RP needs tracking down, make sure he does 'nothing stupid'.
|
Cowboys should scoop up Sanders, I know he's injured, but even a half crippled Bob Sanders would be an upgrade to the secondary at this point.
|
Disappointed with Bob Sanders being released, but I can't say I didn't see it coming. In fact, I would say he had a perfect shot for a second chance last season and blew it. It sucks that he can be injured like that, and one could say it's not really his fault, but in the long run the team can't rely on him and can't build a defense around a playstyle that simply isn't there when it counts. His style is one that makes huge impacts and needs to be focused on. But that's what hurts so much when he's not on the field.
|
Sanders would look good in KC red.
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
Also, I want to learn more, so someone tell why in all seriousness what was wrong with the Colts last year.
Obviously most understand the game better then I. |
Injuries and a "vanilla" style offense that barely changed over the years. The reason it worked very well was due to Peyton being accurate and his O-line being very strong to give him time.
Once he lost his top WRs and his O-line began to struggle, the Colts couldn't fix it without messing up their whole timing system. |
Ah, so what do they need to adress besides hoping players recover, what positions do they need?
|
Mostly on the Offense side to either give more depth or develop players to replace a pretty old O-line. ESPN is predicting the Colts might take a WR as their first pick.
They could go with a defensive player but the problem is all the big name or quality ones are expected to go in the early part of the draft (8 of 1st 10 picks are supposed to be defensive players). Even Belichick who normally likes to go with a defensive player in the first round is expected to pick a offensive player (probably WR or O-line) since the Patriots are too high up in the first round and this year they want to give better depth on the offensive side of the team. |
Who would be the best they could draft for O-line.
|
Tyron Smith
|
Quote:
Listen to the fucking crowd. This is the kind of excitement you get with Jamaal Charles. |
So how long until the season starts?
I was in Chicago the weekend of the Division final against the Packers...I have always been a fan of the NFL but never had a team, until I saw how crazy the city was going...so I'm now officially a bears fan. The guys business who I was visiting invited me round to his house that weekend to watch the game...never heard so many "fucks" in the such a short space of time. |
Apparently Bob Sanders is going to be a......Buffalo Bill.
Merriman, Sanders. The Bills are going to have the Best 2007 Defense in 2011. |
bahahaha
|
Broncos re-sign "The" Champ Bailey.
Whew. Would have been a major blow if they let him walk. |
Apparently Bob Sanders was in Jax the other day. Great, just what we need if he signs with us. Another guy that can be an impact player, yet spends more time hurt on the bench than on the field.
|
ESPN now predicts Cam Newton to the Bills at #3 draft pick even with the twitter and interviews stuff of him viewing himself more of an icon or entertainer than a player and how nobody can ever produce a college season that he did.
It would be a stupid move by the Bills since they have a bad O-line and a pick that high is almost "must play" status for next year instead of bench/development. |
Yeah, he's come across as quite the spastic recently so I hope he's good enough to get by on ability alone.
|
Surely the Bills can't be that dumb. Surely.
|
Oh wait nvmnd they prob are
|
Im not huge on Newton, but whatever. If they take him he could work, he could bust. Same as anyone else. And at least it would be entertaining.
And People around here love Fitzpatrick, so there would be no rush to start Newton week one. I would imagine he would find his way in sooner than later. ANd Gailey is great at coaching up shitty QBs to play above their skils (Fiedler, Thigpen, Fitzpatrick) - would be nice to see him coach someone with a legit arm and real talent. In the end, there isnt anyone at number 3 that I would be giddy for. Fairley wont drop that far and there isnt anyone else that jumps off the board at me. So here I am, not really even caring. |
I see Newton as a better version of Josh Freeman. I wouldnt have taken Freeman at 3, but in hindsight Tampa Nailed it, and he is worth it now. So I dont care what slot you draft a QB in if he works out.
|
Quote:
|
You got the #3 pick, you should a sure thing that will improve you at that position immediatly, then again it's the Bills.
|
Look at all the sure things taken in the top 3 in the last 10 years that didnt pan out. There is no SURE thing. If they want a QB, why not take the risk. They are risking just as much with anyone else, it is just not as visible if it is a DE.
Nobody seems to get all over that Tyson Jackson Pick. |
Im all about doing whatever it takes to find a Top Level QB. That is what wins in this league, not upgrading your DT.
Todays NFL is all about having an Elite QB. The League has changed. Hell, Draft NOTHING BUT Qbs and hope one is that guy. Would you rarther gamble on a potential game changer like Rodgers, Manning, Brady etc and possibly lose, or upgrade your Outside Linebacker Position and miss the playoffs ear after year due to shitty QB play? |
Quote:
|
Shock Dawg to the Phins?
|
I remember this high flying offense from a few years ago with a decent offensive line. They had a superstar quarterback. Someone said a team with a good Defensive End could give them trouble.
They played in this high profile game against a team that didn't have a good Defensive End. Unfortunately, the team had 6! And those guys were rotated in and out of the game. The superstar quarterback ended up knowing what every part of the turf on that stadium felt like, after 8 sacks and even more knockdowns right after he released. (and a ridiculous amount of batted balls, including shovel passes getting knocked down.) He also threw 3 interceptions and lost two fumbles. The game? Sugar Bowl between Georgia and Hawaii. Sure, I am talking about a College Game, but similar concept. Matt Stafford could have avoided many injuries if Detroit had invested in an offensive line while getting him ready. If Brady, Manning, or Rodgers don't have time to get the ball away, they're not gonna look as good. |
That point makes no fucking sense. Did you watch this super bowl? Two Great QBs with COMPLETE SHIT for offensive lines.
And yes, lets compare a game between an Elite SEC program and a SUPER underdog Hawaii team to the NFL. |
I just hate this argument, I hear it on the radio every day in Buffalo.
With that logic, if you put the best offenseive in in the NFL in front of Ryan Fitzpatrick he would be a great QB. No. Great QBs make their line look good, and great lines dont do a damn thing for QBs. Carolina has a great line. What did that do for anyone to take a snap for them? MEanwhile, you can plug any scrub in front of Peyton manning and they will look like a stud. |
The O-line won't magically make a bad QB into an elite or star but if the O-Line is strong enough, it would give that QB more time for passes and less hits on him.
David Carr is a good example of how a shitty O-line can kill a career since he owned the record for most sacks and hits in a rookie year and in his first few years. It ended up hurting his rhythm and development if once every couple of plays he hits the ground. Of course if the QB doesn't care at all (ex. Russell) then it won't matter how good or bad the O-line is. |
Or could it have been that Carr sucked, and held the ball too long? He didnt show a glimmer of ANYthing resembling skill in his next jobs. And he played at a WAC school and was just a bad pick.
Everyone wants to blame everyone but the QB. Staffords injuries have less to do with the line, and more to do with his frailty. His backups dint have major protection issues. SOmetimes QBs just dont have it. WHen Running Backs or Defensive players dont live up to the hype, they dont blame the guys around them. Its just stupid NGL dogma that people roll with. |
Some NFL news:
Colts and Peyton Manning (with agent) are not even close to any new deal before the lockout is set to take effect. Its rumored the main obstacle is money per year since Peyton wants in between the $24-27 million range while Colts offered the low $20-$22 million range. Redskins expected to cut Clinton Portis with the Lions rumored to be active in trying to get him for next season. Jets expected to cut Damien Woody, Kris Jenkins, Jason Taylor, and Vernon Gholston. Taylor is expected to retire while Jenkins and Woody are both a bit old (Woody also a bit too injured to keep). Jets consider Gholston a bust and won't bother to keep him. Newest Cam Newton draft position has him as high as the Cowboys for positioning but not as a starter. Higher picks Buffalo and Cincinatti could draft him as a starter. |
I was having slight hope that they may get a last second deal done. Outlook incredibly grim.
Owners are determined to lockout, even if the Union decertifies. Of course then it just goes from a lockout to "an employer ceasing operations." So really nothing could be done. Owners would have to work out 32 separate deals or take the NFLPA to court over the legitimacy of their decertification. Or if the owners still "lockout", the players have an antitrust lawsuit they can pull. But of course, theres all the negative PR the league would get if they locked the players out even after decertification. It'd prove what the owner's true intentions were and their disregard for the fans. Meanwhile the players would look good due to them throwing away the NFLPA to save the season. But if the owner's just invoked an impasse, they could run off the "last best deal" and use that until a new deal is reached. But the owners just want to be fucking greedy and add more games for them to make money and take more money from the guys who are the reason any of us watch. Either way, it's gonna be a looooooong Spring |
|
More owners joined Giants owner Mara in the talks between the players union and the negotiator (mainly the big ones like Kraft, Jerry Jones, etc).
The biggest problem ended up being the Carolina Panthers owner never stopped talking and could have just hurt the process after being "hawkish" saying the talks will be done within the next 1-2 days (after last month trashing players and teams like Brees and P. Manning). |
Never noticed how much John Elway looks like Mimi Rogers before
|
|
Woah, Tiki coming out of retirement
|
<font color=goldenrod>lol wow. That came out of nowhere.</font>
|
His supply of 22 year old blondes ran out, NEED MORE FAME.
|
He's completley out of money. That is the only explanation for this.
|
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/IJolc2NPzgQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
|
We know he won't be welcome in NY. In fact, why would anyone want him now, he's four years removed from the game, and talks way too much about shit to the media.
|
<font color=goldenrod>As much of a dick as he is for doing what he did to his wife - I think the Giants fans' booing of Tiki is absurd at this point. Yes, it was totally warranted back when he made his comments but that was 4 years and a Super Bowl win ago. Doesn't seem like enough to piss away his entire legacy as a player.
Since the Giants are granting him free agency, I wouldn't be opposed to them eventually giving him a low-risk 1 year deal to at least give him a shot in camp. Coughlin generally likes to have 4 RBs he can rely on to mix and match anyway and Bradshaw, Jacobs, Barber, and Ware sounds pretty damn good to me.</font> |
He retired mid season, got a grand farewell, and talked shit on the team and coaches on his way out. We got rid of Shockey for less.
|
New York has already said Barber isn't welcome I believe.
|
Washington will probably sign him, that's how they roll. :lol:
|
I dont understand how mock drafts have Nick Fairley dropping now all of a sudden all the way past the top 10 in some cases. Dude's a beast if he's there at 9 I will pray the Cowboys nab him ..along with Ratliff on that d-line omfgg
|
Cowboy need help in the secondary much more. Maybe had they gone after Atogwe and gotten him. Apparently the Cowboy are interested in Michael Huff.
|
They can use a defensive end or big tackle in the middle ..Igor sucks. Bowen is ok. But a corner and safety obviously needs as well along with O-line. I'll be a happy camper if we have a choice to draft Fairley or Prince. Win win either one.
|
Definely need a corner or safety in the first round. Not any really stand out tackles that would warrent a top ten pick.
|
That's my whole point with Denver's pick. With that pick you need a guaranteed difference maker, and though they need line help, I don't see Fairley or Dareus as "sure things." I'm sure they'll both do well, but will they make as big a difference as Patrick Peterson? I really doubt that. D line is pretty deep this year that Denver can afford to get its playmaker in Peterson and then do DT with its second round picks
|
Denver defintely needs help on the o-line. They couldnt run the ball at all.
|
Denver has great talent on the O-line, unfortunately a good chunk of it was hurt most of the season. Particularly RT Ryan Harris. When Harris got back laaate in the season and everyone moved back to their natural positions, the running game improved. And it doesn't help that they were starting 2 rookies. So they basically had no chemistry. They should be drastically better next season when everyone's healthy and knows how to work with each other
QB, OL and WR are pretty much the only two positions I'm not worried about |
I really really want them to draft Peterson. Would be fine with Dareus though.
|
Dareus I'd be fine with if they traded down. But a #2 pick needs to be a lock to fuck shit up, and that's Peterson
|
I agree with that, but I just don't think they'll take a corner when they have Bailey already.
ideally though they would draft Peterson |
Current status with the negotiations have the players dropping a few of their demands but at the same time the owners were found to be hiding some of the money and lying about their financial books to the union.
Supposedly a large sum of money was hidden from the players to go along with the demand of locking away $2 billion of the $9 billion from bargaining under stadium maintenance reasons. |
Jeff Pash is just shitting all over the Union, and he's bringing up some good points. They gave the PA what they wanted on a lot of things, but I still think it's ridiculous that they expect to ask $1billion+ from the PA and not show why they need it. That's just retarded
|
PA agreed to extend the deadline as long as the owners agreed to share 10 years of audited financial statements, and they said no. Come the fuck on, clearly the owners are either hiding something or there's no money being lost
|
No money being lost would be my guess
|
Look on the bright side...There's MMA guys! LOL. As a Bengals Fan, I'm excited by the lockout...now we're all losers!
|
I ran into Jerious Norwood at the gas station by my mom's house.. His family lives like 2 blocks from my mom..
http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/...e/391da9d1.jpg |
I'm sure mth15 would care
|
Miami Dolphins quarterback Chad Pennington(notes) just can't catch a break.
The hard-luck veteran passer tore his anterior cruciate ligament during a pickup basketball game, ESPN is reporting. Pennington was already dealing with a shoulder surgery. Set to have surgery April 7, Pennington is unlikely to play again. He might not be able to play until the 2012 season with the bad timing of this latest injury and his age. |
I want him to win comeback player of the year for the 6th time..
|
Call it a day Chad :(
|
| All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:20 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin®