So I guess that's it for Ziggs.
 

Since they've turned him into a generic Orton. IMO he was never over anyway and the only way he gets any heat is because of Vicky. Now they've taken away any look he had or whatever so I guess it's back to FCW or future endeavored. I for one won't miss him, he really brings nothing to the show.

Thanks for yr. take.

yr. welcome

I thought he'd been released then you bastard.

:rant:

Well I agree. I was like "WTF?", horrible move. The tights were bad and the hair was worse, really took away his charisma to be honest.

LOL

He had a haircut and now he's doomed?

Odd the match was vs Sydal... with short hair, they kinda look similar.

His "look" was really the only thing he had.

Wait did I miss something? FILL ME IN.

Eh. I don't think much will change for him. He's still decent in the ring and stale on the mic. Same shit, different toilet.

If anything, it shows that WWE is willing to make him over for some sort of renewed push.

I don't feel like I or anyone else is over reacting in this situation. The dude lost his look, and he had a great look, one that was main event quality, now he looks like an FCW Superstar.

Oh crazy.

Nothing looks wrong with that. Could work, have faith Hawk.

Idk, maybe it's because I've never thought he was much of anything. I thought the only thing made him any different than anyone else was his hair and with that gone he really blends in with he roster instead of standing out. If he would of came out in a suit or something and cut a good promo about being "serious" then ok, I could by that. But the fact that he came out, said nothing, had a match vs. a mid card jobber and still wore his zebra tights makes me think that it doesn't really matter if he's on the roster or not.

I wonder if he's gonna have some sort of mean streak now. In his entrance, he didn't do it normal "in the ropes, out the ropes/look at the crowd, in the ropes entrance. This was someone focused, sadly against a weaker opponent. If Ziggler would've came out of nowhere and challenged lets say Cena, and somehow won on RAW I could buy him. Right now, I want him to succeed, but I don't know how he's gonna do that.

I dig the new look.

I'm sick of retards saying Zig ain't over.

Vince Mcmahon is famous for asking wrestlers on the bring of a big push to get a hair cut so it could be the best thing to happen to Ziggs!

That said he has what I call the "Mr Perfect" look with the long blonde hair, he looked a lot like a buff surfer and just oozed the heel persona because of that look. Now that he's lost that look (unless he dyes the short hair blonde) then he's lost a lot of what made him stand out from generic FCW talents that's for sure.

I can't say I did the new look I would have kept him as unique as possible because ultimately that's what helped Mr Perfect get over back in the day. I don't think Ziggs needed anything changing I think he has had good momentum for a while now and puts on good matches.

The new look still looks cool and all, but I am not sure it will help him stand out like the previous look did so it could harm his character. I don't know it could be too early to tell I am interested to see where his character goes from here though.

Dunno what people are on about saying Ziggler had nothing but 'his look'. He's been impressive in the ring for a long time now. that said, what a bizarre change but it could be they felt they wanted him to look more "professional" and are preparing him for a push...

lol@the generic randy orton comment btw.

Oh i see Stevie just said what i did already.

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Maybe Dolph decided he wanted a haircut. Holy fucking jesus what an atrocity.

It's just hair people.

So Dolph gets a new look right before the draft. I see a possible push

The fuck are you talking about, Jayman? He's got short dark hair now! Name one person in the main event picture with short dark hair. One. You can't do it. Ziggler is finished. Over. Done. This is the end for him. There's no coming back from this.

But I had hopes. HOPES!!

Remember when Miz switched to regular tights and everybody freaked out because it was "taking away what makes him unique?"

Or when Punk cut his hair? Or Christian?

He needs to chew more gum.

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Yeah its crazy how much people are up in arms about this. But isn't it up to WWE when guys get haircuts and stuff? Like didn't some guy a few years ago get canned cause he got a tattoo?

I thought 420 was tomorrow.

DOLPH, ZIGGLER, GETTING, BIG.

WATCH, RAW, MORE.

FIND, OUT.

I wouldn't say that Dolph's look was all he had going for him, but it was certainly his main selling point. He's above average in the ring and below average on the mic. I'm not saying he's completely screwed, but with a much stronger gimmick and some work on the stick he could be a solid mid-card worker and could put on some decent matches if they put him with the right people.

BACK TO FCW.

Though he was never fucking in FCW. and they tend to send lots of vets down when they having nothing to do with them, right? Rather than just release them....

All of this over hair....good thing it can grow back.

Buncha Fags in this thread if you ask me.

Yes he was.

Actually he was in FCW just 3 years ago, so there went that argument.

Didn't he start off goofy and stuff? The hair and the vest were from that and now they are both gone. I say the haircut makes him look more serious and gives him a smoldering look since now you can focus on his face instead of the hair taking the focus away from it.

What's kinda funny is there are pictures of the house show in Glasgow and he's still got the blond hair, so that means he got the haircut while he was in Europe. Seems like an odd time to do that.

Also wrestling Evan Bourne, it kinda looked like Dolph was beating up his little brother.

Still a fan of the look though.

I feel some people underestimate a wrestlers look, especially when it's used as a crutch to make up for sub-par Mic skills.

I'd be willing to wager a lot of knowledgeable wrestling fans didn't know that this guy was the only member of the Spirit Squad to amount to something. Why? A repackaged look. Now he just looks like the guy who was having crap poured on him by DX.

Maybe he'll be just fine, but I agree that the haircut just looks like Orton, Bourne etc. It took something unique and made it, meh. His hair and style made his gimmick. He was the pompus looking man who was about perfection.

Now, he looks like some corn fed midwest guy that Nic Nemeth (real name) is.

I like the guy as he's had some of the better matches I've seen in a good bit. But I don't feel he was in need of a new look.

Other wrestlers on that roster need a repackaging a whole lot more. DiBiase, Daniel Bryan, even someone like Kofi Kingston to some degree.

He needs to drop the ridiculous tights now, too. If this is a complete gimmick change, the zebra tights aren't going to cut it.

The look is so important. You've gotta have a unique look or else you'll never amount to anything.

Pretty sure that's what Eric Bischoff told Steve Austin.

It's also the reason Tyler Reks is having such a great career while Alberto Del Rio is doing nothing with his life.

Yeah because Del Rio's character looks just like three or four other guys that you could easily inter change with him. :roll:

Short dark hair. Plain white boots. Plain gold trunks. What a generic nightmare!

the dude was in the spirit squad and is now attached to the biggest heat magnet in the company. if he can rebound from being a fucking male cheerleader i think he can go with a new hairstyle.

as pointed out earlier, see miz changing to traditional trunks. and i swear i remember a story where edge was told hed need to trim his hair to be in the ME picture. prolly internet dirt made up but was a story

Add to the fact that Miz also stopped styling/coloring his hair, and went for the more generic look.

Pretty sure it worked out for the best for him.

I thought that was an odd choice.


You guys have got to be kidding me!

The only thing he has is his out-dated, straight outta the 80's look!? Are we being serious here!?

Eh. He does look terribly generic now.

They should team him with R-Truth. Ziggler will supply Truth with cigarettes. Zigg's Cigs.

He does look a bit generic now but I was laughing at how similar he looks to Evan Bourne when Vickie showed off the new Ziggler.

I think he looks fine. Looking generic isn't necessarly a bad thing. He is still good on the mic and good in the ring.

I think the really shit thing about him is the fact that he's named Dolph Ziggler... what a dumbass name.

I think it's just to fit with the new environment he's in, since he moved from SmackDown! to RAW.

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Looks like David Boreanez now.

Or Evan Bourne.

You know who he looks like?

Even though I liked his old look better than his new one, and even though he now beats out Daniel Bryan for the most uninspiring look on RAW, I think we need to be patient and see where this goes. Right now, I don't have a great feeling about it, and yeah, looks are important in the world of Sports Entertainment, and yeah he sort of does look like a jobber. Even Stevie Wonder can see that. But let's wait and see what happens. The fact that the change was acknowledged and that he still won his match might be a sign of good things to come.

I thought he was in OVW, not FCW:

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His hair may not matter in terms of skills but he looks like a generic wrestler. Line him up with Randy Orton, Ted Diabse and Cody Rhodes.

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Wow, some people are taking this completely backwards. The more serious haircut probably means a PUSH is coming. Not him being released, but rather given a meanstreak, dressed in suits, and given championship belts to look good with.

Ziggler's a gorgeous man, and any self-respecting hetero should be able to admit it -- but this is the first time he's actually been in the position to be a guy that looks like he could be sent to promotional functions as something more than a "dude who looks like a surfer."

Also, if you feel that his look was all that Ziggler had going for him, then you are a fucking idiot. Especially if you think him having bleached hair was what has bought him years with the company, World Title matches, and fuck, even a technical World Heavyweight Title reign. Someone in the company has a fucking perma-boner for the man, and I don't think it'll be going away now that they are molding him into their sexual main event fantasy.

Also, when Ziggler came out, I actually thought he looked like Randy Orton.

This is like when a wrestler loses a fucking stupid gimmick and becomes a real deal, then complaining because the stupid gimmick isn't there anymore. Ziggler succeeded DESPITE being billed as a 220lbs man who liked to introduce himself to people with a ridiculous name and ridiculous hair -- not because of it.

The only difference is he's more cut, physique-wise.

Come on everyone sing along I AM GENERIC... GENERIC!

Randy Orton is generic, and look what he has achieved.

Ziggler looks more like Evan Bourne, than Orton.

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WARNING: Generic guy sitting on Bret Hart. A pair of boots and kneepads away from being the default Create-A-Wrestler on Smackdown games. Will surely never amount to anything.

I think the term "generic" here refers more to being "bland", "boring"...

...at least that's how I used it.

Some of you people are legit crazy.

...

I may go to hell for saying this... but I firmly believe that Dolph Ziggler is no Steve Austin.

well i'm glad we've got that definition squared away then.

No he's not, but so what? All this goes to show is that a generic look is not a death sentence like so many people are claiming it is.

NO. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE PERFECT RIGHT NOW. :mad::mad::mad::foc:

I don't think it's a death sentence. I do think it's a bad thing though. Especially for someone like Dolph who is in NO position to be "Steve Austining" his way out of being generic.

And I actually never found Austin's look to be generic either. Who, when Austin was becoming a star, looked remotely like Austin?

The only guy I could think of that wore the standard black trunks/black kneepads etc was Psycho Sid

I made the Randy Orton look alike comment back in the Raw thread. He did remind me of 2003 Randy Orton.

But my take on this is what I think XL said back on page 1. to me they made him look more professional, which tells me they are grooming him for a big push. World Title push. I loved his old look, but I guess they thought that "gimmick" would never be taken seriously at the top.

So in a sense, the new look is more generic, but it's going to take him to the next level. I could really see them turning him babyface since Edge is gone.

I actually thought during his match with Bourne, where he was made to look like a killer, that eventually Ziggler is going to finalise his re-invention process by dumping Guerrero from Team Dolph.

TL***

THOUGH IF XL ALSO SAID IT THEN OK.

Give it a few weeks and the IWC will hate him again for some ridiculous reason.

Even then, Sid didn't look anything like Austin.

If anything, I thought he looked more like Evan Bourne. It's like the bookers purposely put those two together that night to tease them a little.

I always liked that version of the Intercontinental Championship belt, no matter what colored strap it had.

That belt looks fucking good on Drew...

lol

I'm a Dolphan.

what????? did Drew really have the white strap IC Title? when was this??

oh wow, didn't even realize. perfect for him

Because everyone cares about the hair. I mean I remember when Metallica cut their hair and released Load so many fans were pissed. It's also happened with other musicians.

Hair seems to matter for some reason or another.

A radical change will turn off hardcore fans.

Yeah. I thought something was not right too. Especially when I realized it says "WWF" on the strap below his hand.

Maybe on the back of him mixing it up higher up the ladder, he's like going with a "I need to be focused" gimmick. Fuck's Vicky off (after a while to push him further in our faces) and then goes on to better things.

Have faith, u never know.

Case in point: Mike Awesome. Without the mullet, he was a generic looking big man. With the locks, he was the "fat chick thril-"

...you know what, forget I said anything.

Screw the WCW gimmicks...he will always be...THE GLADIATOR!!!

I still don't get why people think Dolph being paired with Vickie Guerrero is a bad thing.

Because having a manager is terrible. Don't you read the forums? Oh wait....

It seems that some people think that Dolph is piggy-backing off of Vickie's heat and not generating his own. In my opinion, if somebody is garnering Vickie's level of heat, there should be a way to transfer it into matches...and I'd sure as fuck rather see Dolph Ziggler in a match than Vickie herself.

I like it. I understand negativity, as he does now look like yet another generic wrestler. Short hair, short tights, oily body.

But, I think he was/is limited with the whole 'DOLPH ZIGGLER' get-up. I think, ideally, he gets drafted, gets some mic time, officially 'changes' his name to something less ridiculous than can be taken serious. Normal promo of 'this is my time, my new attitude, I'm gonna show you something you've not seen before'.

Nothing too drastic, but just him trying to be taken 'more serious'. A new finisher would be good too, the 'Zig-Zag' is dog. Re-package him, 'give him a ball, see if he runs with it.'. He's definitely got the talent, it's just the clicks that need to be put into place, and there's no way in hell DOLPH ZIGGLER 'I AM PERFECTION' SHIT HAIR SHIT FINISHER was the right one for him.

Calling this ridic. early, I think Dolph is gonna go on to be successful in WWE, and will look back on the Dolph Ziggler phase similarly to The Rock looks at his Rocky Maivia, HHH looks at his Hunter Hearst Helmsley, Austin as Ringmaster, so on and so on...

I don't see how betting on a former World Champion is "calling it ridic. early..."