One Sin Cara to rule them all
 

From PWInsider:

In an update from my earlier story on Sin Cara, WWE sources are indicating that the original Sin Cara (Mistico) was sent home from the Calgary Smackdown taping after meeting with WWE officials. Going forward, it is expected Hunico will exclusively portray the Cara character.

Everyone I have spoken to expected the artist formerly known as Mistico to depart WWE, but nothing has been 100% confirmed on that front.

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I prefer Hunico.

Did this need a new thread?

JUS' SAYIN'

This is good news, I think.

anyone else tired of the sin cara drama?

Didn't notice the other thread.

If a mod sees fit, may as well combine them.

Hunico will do just fine as Cara

I've found it all to be pretty easily avoidable, really.

This would be kind of a failure for HHH, since he was the one who signed and brought Mistico over...

...it'd be like his first loss or something.

To avenge this, of course, he'll probably book himself to win the WWE Title or something.

How is Mistico fucking up Triple H's fault?

It's not his FAULT, but since he was the one who signed him, and was "grooming him", it could be viewed as some type of "loss" for "The Game".

No. It's a loss for Mistico. Signing him wasn't a bad idea. It's just unfortunate how things turned out. I couldn't see anybody looking back at this and thinking that Triple H "lost" anything.

It's unfortunate. I had high hopes for him. Mistico is a great wrestler, but some guys just aren't a fit in the WWE-style of wrestling.

Sin Cara #1, the best of luck in your future endeavours.....

:wave:

Pissed about this.
Saw Mistico perform live before and it was great. Got excited when he came over to WWE. Like Triple Naitch said tho, I guess the guy isn't cut out for WWE. Between the Wellness Policy Violation and the heat he gets backstage..I guess it was only a matter of time.

How will they handle the "Future Endeavoured" post on WWE.com?

He really should have spent some time in FCW like Del Rio did.

Definitely was a bad idea to rush Mistico onto the main roster instead of taking the time needed to let him learn the WWE style although I wonder if Rey's constantly getting injured ended up being a factor in rushing him to the main roster.

Hunico benefited a lot from the extra development time and low expectations than Mistico.

:( looks like no chance of a Sin Cara #1 vs Sin Cara #2 feud is going to be happening any time soon.

Wait, if Hunico was the one botching like mad on tuesday, then why are they sending Mistico home?

This is dumb. I've seen Mistico perform. He's better than Hunico. I just think like other people have said, he was rushed in too fast. The mexican style, and even the WWE ring is very different. Not mention going from wretling guys around his size, to wrestling guys almost twice as large has to take some getting used to.

imo, they should just send him to FCW, because he's too good a talent to let slip through the cracks. Eswpecially if these cruiserweight division rumors are true.

I know. Confusing.

Think he leaves or spends time in FCW? Maybe comes back under a different mask if they don't want to do Sin Cara Mirror Match?

This might be a dumb question but can Sin Cara sr. go back to being Mistico if hes let go? I mean the masks of Sin Cara and Mistico are similar

Seems like the reported botchfest was Mistico vs Slater so they decided to re-do the match with Hunico in his place.

Hunico versus Heath Slater
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Actually been wondering about that too. What are the legal ramifications of WWE having a masked wrestler with a "look" created by Mistico? Does WWE now own the trademark of the design? Will Mistico need an entirely new mask/look in Mexico?

Mistico versus Heath Slater

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Well, I am sure they had to pay the original Sin Cara a boatload of money to come to the WWE. If they can get the same result out of a much lower paid wrestler, why not go for it. The original Sin Cara was a great wrestler in Mexico, but he had a very tough time adjusting to the "American" style of wrestling. All in all, it's all about business and Hunico was making significantly less than Cara I would be willing to bet. The WWE is going to come out on top regardless. They put so much press into his arrival and that "Mistico" was coming to the WWE as Sin Cara. I am sure that his release will not be anywhere near as publicized. Therefore, many people are still going to assume that it is "Mistico" under the Sin Cara mask. The old bait and switch.

If the send-home is true, then that sucks. I bet WWE would have been a lot more patient with him if he didn't fail a test and then proceed to publicly speak about it negatively.

I remember reading how high Rey was on him and how he really wanted him in WWE, etc. But oh well, this new guy seems to be pretty good and more than likely wouldn't be dumb enough to plead innocent after failing a drug test.

Is that new Senton/Lionsault thing Sin Cara's new finisher? I swear he's been through half a dozen finishers since his debut.

Yep.

AAA or CMLL owns the mistico name and likeness. Unless it is the EXACT same mask as well as using the name Sin Cara, WWE can't do anything. If I'm not mistaken, there is already a new Mistico out there. If Cara goes back, he'll probably just take it back.

Theres also a Sin Cara in Mexico since WWE didnt copyright the name there, that might have changed by now though.

No, they didnt launch their own SIn Cara. They just registered the Trademark in mexico as the WWE forgot to, so they own the mexican media rights to the name Sin Cara.

buncha racists for releasing him because he's mexican

/jesse jackson

Before debuting Sin Cara on TV, WWE mentioned on their website that he used to be Mistico in Mexico.

I really hope they aren’t this foolish. If Sin Cara isn’t Mistico, he isn’t interesting. He’s just another luchador.

Unless the rumors of WWE trying to acquire the Mistico ringname from CMLL are true, and they do plan on doing a Mistico vs. Sin Cara match. Eventually, Theodore Long realizes that “Sin Cara” is an imposter and searches for the true Sin Cara, who Long says hasn’t competed since Money In The Bank. This leads to a match at Vengeance in October featuring Mistico vs. Sin Cara, both wrestlers wearing identical costumes, but Mistico wears gold and white while Sin Cara wears blue and gold. Mistico performs a moonsault sideslam before getting the victory and starts wearing gold and white from now on.

I knew once he botched his first entrance it wasnt gonna work out

Talented, but full of himself. Needs others with talent to have a good match.

Oh well

Disagree. Yes, to people like us, I'd guess some of us would have a bigger hardon for him because he's Mistico. But to the vast majority, he's a guy that does flippy spots in the ring, points and has a cool mask/attire. Hunico does it just as well, arguably better than Mistico in the WWE world.

He's just as over now as he was when he was Mistico. There is honestly no point to having Mistico under the Sin Cara mask if someone can do it better right now.

Is he "just another luchador"? I don't know, the Sin Cara character is over in the WWE world. Luchadors rarely get as over as he has in WWE. I can honestly only think of Rey. If he's this over and "just another luchador", they should probably invest in more "just another luchadors".

Why are u talking like you know the guy?

I like the original Sin Cara better for multiple reasons but if Hunico is gonna be Sin Cara permanently I think he should develop his own "Sin Cara" since he looks goofy trying to be Mistico's "Sin Cara".

Hmmm

Aww, I thought this was gonna be the original Sin Cara comming back to wrestle "the imposter". Then they could bring in all the other guys we talked about playing Sin Caras. Skip Cara, Brodus Cara, Sin Knox, think of the awesome shenanigans

Wait so Hunico botched? I'm confused....lol then again he might have botched "better" than Mistico did.

Sin Swoggle. Bret "The Sinman" Hart. Sinbreak Kid Shawn Michaels. Psycho Sin Vicious. Sin Bad Vader...oh wait.

Sinful H, Michael Cara, Stone Cara Sin Austin, etc.

Who cares if Hunico does it better than Mistico or just as well? There are luchadors better than Rey Mysterio. Does that mean they should fire Mysterio, hire another guy, and call him "Rey Mysterio?" Mistico IS Sin Cara, plain and simple.

Hunico is good, but I don't think that's a reason to fire Mistico.

<font color=goldenrod>That is really interesting if Hunico was the one that botched. Guess we'll find out tonight.</font>

No, I think the fact that Mistico comes in, clearly can't work the style yet (which, to be fair, falls heavily on WWE for not putting him in FCW), botches left and right and he fails a fucking wellness test are reasons enough that Mistico should be replaced. Maybe not fired, but definitely put down in FCW to work on his shit and get his act together.

Honestly, I can't even say he shouldn't be fired. Someone who's that high profile of a signing should not be failing wellness, period. Let alone within months of his debut. You're only basing it off the fact that he's Mistico, not the fact that, realistically, he's a borderline embarrassment for the company.

The character is hot enough that it warranted a replacement, and they could logistically do one, unlike 90% of the roster. Believe me, if, say, Randy Orton failed wellness or got injured and they could put someone else in the character, they more than likely would.

And you really can't do it with Rey. There are too many variables (the fact that he promos, his size, his tats) that prevent someone from playing Rey. Again, if they could, I really think they would.

They brought Sin Cara in as Mistico and promoted how big of a superstar he is. Being played by someone else diminishes the character. When he first came to WWE, they had a press conference and everything where they acknowledged that he used to be called Mistico, and he came out in a Mistico mask which he took off to reveal the new Sin Cara mask underneath, so yeah, it looks kinda crap if they drop him after that if someone else is going to carry on the gimmick.

Honestly I'm happy about this from the reports I've read Mistico was a bit to high and mighty for his own good and didn't seem like he really appreciated the fact the he was being pushed to the freakin' moon. Not to mention Hunico did a great job and honestly I enjoyed his matches more than Mistico's. In the end I say it's a good decision as it saves money, puts a guy who isn't constantly screwing up under the mask, and avoids more embarassment for WWE. And to those who are saying that you can't replace him cause he IS Sin Cara and bringing up that WWE already made such a big deal about him being Mistico look at it from a casual fan's perspective most if not all of them have probably forgotten that Mistico is Cara is they ever even cared to begin with.

Assuming the WWE can manage to acquire the rights to the Mistico name from CMLL, here’s how I’d book an angle between the imposter and original:

On an episode of SmackDown in October, “Sin Cara” wins a match against Ted DiBiase. As his music plays, Theodore Long shows up on stage and waits until the music stops. Long says that something very interesting just happened and tells us he was backstage when he received a call from none other than… Sin Cara. Long says that it turns out Sin Cara has actually been out of action since Money In The Bank and whoever is in the ring has been pretending to be Sin Cara and is an imposter. Long tells the imposter that he can’t fire him because he isn’t under contract, but he isn’t going to have him escorted from the building either. Long instead offers the imposter a match at Vengeance in a couple of weeks with the real Sin Cara, who feels his identity is now ruined upon learning of this and thus will be returning under his original ringname. Long goes on to announce that at Vengeance, it will be the Sin Cara in the ring vs. the original Sin Cara… Mistico.

At Vengeance, Sin Cara’s music plays as the imposter shows up wearing the blue and gold attire. Sin Cara’s music plays again, only this time we’re introduced to Mistico (by Tony Chimmel), who appears wearing the same gold and white attire from Money In The Bank. Eventually, it’s Mistico who scores the win and starts wearing gold and white from now on.

From here, you can go in a few different directions. It would seem more likey for the WWE to take the imposter off TV, as we’ve seen in the past (Fake Kane, Fake Undertaker, etc.), but they could debut Hunico as a heel - by either continuing this angle and revealing him as Fake Sin Cara or establishing him as a brand new character - for Mistico to feud with. Either way would work.

WWE has finally created the first immortal wrestler..they can just keep changing the guy under the mask every so often and keep Sin Cara wrestling forever.

Maybe now that Hunico is Sin Cara they will have Primo be Hunico and Mistico can take over as Primo.

Suicide in TNA?

Also, Doink the Clown.

The plot thickens.

Im talking about keeping the same "character" active over long term continuously...

Suicide in TNA?

You should consider it.

Add a third Sin Cara into the mix, who turns out to be Dean Malenko, and I'm sold...

Need a Sin Cara Stable.

Sinexus

Sin Corre-a

The voice of Bugs Bunny in the 1960s was a different person to the one who did it in Space Jam.

If its good enough for Warner Bros, its good enough for WWE.

This they could have him paired up with Epico and have them subbing one another.

Why do all the Mexicans need names that end with an "o"?

Because every mexican word ends in O

Taco
Burrito
Mexico
Danny Trejo

Ju<strike>a</strike>no

I love how people watch a few 3 minute matches and determine that hunico is better than sin cara just from that.

I've seen incognito, and I've seen mistico, and mistico is better by miles. Incognito just had the advantage of being brought in the proper way.

Yes sin cara brought some of this on himself with the wellness violation, but they've invested too much into this character to just hand it off to someone who will do it half as good as mistico potentially could.

I would put him in fcw for a while as someone said.

And all these rumors about him "thinking too highly of himself" are just typical dirtsheet crap. You can't know for sure that it's true so it shouldn't even enter the arguement.

Juventud Guerrara
Psicosis
Konnan
La Parka
Ciclope
Damian 666
Silver King
El Dandy


... Maybe its a WWE thing :-\

have a few of them(they have atleast 1 more dude in FCW whos lucha, use primo too) go take a brutal bump shit kicking every week or even twice a week, huge bump fest and somehow come out the winner as an upset after almost being crippled every week. act as if its the same guy who seems to be either really tuff or super-human

so John Cena but more bumps and just a comeback, no shitty back and fourth hogan formula offence

What?

I like the idea of Sin Cara, but if it's the first, second, third, fifth, seventh, etc Sin Cara, he needs to spend some time in FCW to learn the WWE style. You can hire a race car driver to drive a big rig cross country, but without the training he needs for that style of driving he's going to suck at his job.

I agree with everyone that it's disheartening that Mistico ended up where he has ended up, but after seeing Hunico, I prefer him as Cara. I DO hope that the cara v cara match happens at some point... could be interesting.

As much as I prefer Hunico I'm gonna miss that Toprope C4 that Mistico did.

All I need to know is...does Hunico speak some-a that there American?

I think you mean Americanese.

He was born in Texas

That doesn't mean he speaks English...

Odds are he does tho

Should have multiple Sin Caras at the same time. Like Villanos.

So was Steele. :P

...That probably means he speaks more English than Spanish, actually.

They should just have Villanos.

Better idea.

I think it's kind of cool that they gave this kind of treatment to a light-weight. You don't do this for someone you're expecting to top off at the mid-card. Too bad he didn't pan out.

My buddy Shiima told me that dude was a bit of a prick anyways.

Who?

If Mistico is to return as the true Sin Cara, the most logical choice of color for him is white. There are two reasons why: 1. That was the same color he wore at Money In The Bank. Have him come back as he left. 2. In Mexico, Mistico wore primarily white. Having Sin Cara wear white is to show that he’s Mistico.

I was half joking when I made that Sin Cara vs impostor idea because I didn't really think it would happen but now that it's coming true I hope it's as good as it was in my head.

When did you "make" this idea, Jura?

August 10.

Sounds like the Sin Cara vs impostor was already stated from reading what I typed though.

And where did this happen?

I only ask cos I suggested the angle August 11th and hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere else. Or at least I did't think it had been. Maybe I jacked your idea. :-\