Ryback's squash match last night was fucking unreal
 

I could honestly watch these matches all day. Can't remember the last time I got this pumped to watch a match.

HOW FUCKING AMAZING WAS THIS!!!!



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I liked it, but...I feel like he should be taking out WWE jobbers and not just local jobbers from wherever he is that night. Also wouldn't mind seeing him squash jobbers with some size to them.

It was a great visual, though I'd bet those two guys combined don't weigh as much as Derrick Bateman.

Ryback's fantastic. But yeah move him onto destroying actual jobbers and not these McDonalds workers.

No doubt. Still was yelling holy shit when he did his finisher on both jobbers at once. Pretty sweet

GOOD SPOT

<font color=goldenrod>I find it odd how he went to fighting main roster jobbers (Bateman, Slater) and now is back to going to local jobbers.

But yeah, epic finisher.</font>

The guy in the black and grey tights wrestled in ring of honor against jay lethal a week or two ago. I can't remember what name he went by tho

Finisher has my vote for Move of the year. It was shocking from the dramatic seemingly contemplation on the face of Rybach to the ease in which he did it. I mean I don't care how much those guys weighed 2 human beings on ur back above the age of 18 is impressive(Midgets excluded).
Problem, This wouldn't happen to Randy Orton so what else can he do?

Ok, that was pretty sweet.

Still fucking love Ryback.

Short squash match with local jobbers, but I did enjoy the human powerbomb baseball bat spot and the double finisher.

Same thought. Ill give it this, that was a fun squash.

And a nice spot.

Though if they want to stop the Goldberg chants lets not have his ramp "taunt" be so damn similar. Walk to the run non stop kick ass and done.

Ryback is awesome. I'd even go so far to say he is super awesome. Wouldn't say he is mega awesome like Bushwhacker Luke but he's close.

Theyre chanting goldberg because of the way he's just running through his opponents in very quick matches, has nothing to do with his "ramp taunt". When Lesnar came into WWE back in 2002 he was getting goldberg chants for the same reason, quick matches where he just ran through his opponent.

That stomping he does before hitting his finisher needs to go

I kinda like the Death March.

Yup, he's passes Big Zeke as my favorite "monster" in the WWE right now. I wouldn't tell, is that a bruise on his face or are they trying to do the whole "Kane dead eye" with him?

Are you fucking dense. Im adding to the fact that even his entrance is now like Golfbergs - in addition to the fact that he is basically saying "Who's Next?"

He didnt doing that shit on the ramp a month ago - they have added it. After people already chant goldberg at him.

"Golfberg". I would pay money to see him.

As you said they were already chanting it before he had the "ramp taunt", odds are it wouldnt have made any difference with the addition of that, the chants would have persisted as the style of matches are the same, quick beatdowns with Ryback taking little in the way of offense from his opponent.

As long as that continues its likely the chants will. And considering that "taunt" was added to his entrance after the chants were already in full flow its possibly intentional by WWE.

Sick finisher. WTF happened to his eye?

I think an eye update should of circulated. going to go look for it.

i just cant get past his cheesy gimmick and the way he acts coming to the ring

combined weight of 347 pounds

He acts like Goldberg, his in-ring gear looks like Rob Van Dam's, and he marches around like Jack Swagger.

Yeah, other than that, he's got potential.

Gerard is wrong. Hanso is right. Ryback is FINISH HIM!

Him nailing 2 guys at once with his finisher was the best part.

He's friggen tremendous. Him and Sandow. Fantastic debuts. Sandow plays that role to perfection.

This guy... is fucking MONEY.

I miss dominant face monsters. And he's perfect for the role. He should never lose a match in the history of ever.

They realized he looks a lot "smaller" and "less impressive" when facing larger people.

He's gotta decide if he's going to play the dominant "heel" monster, or the dominant "face" hero. Seems like at time he switches between the two.

How does he switch between them?

He's beating the hell out of obnoxious jobbers who bad mouth the city before the match... where does the heel part come in?

Golberg was a dominant face hero. Ryback can easily do the same.


You could say the same about Batista. He was basically a monster hero.

They're the town assholes. People came to see them get their asses beat.

Exactly

Ryback is better than Goldberg and Batista combined. And we all know why.

Every video I'd seen of Ryback (including the one here), I always went straight to the match, I never heard the promos by the skinny jobbers.

I went back and heard these two dudes talking, and now I see what's going on.

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He pretty much does something new or unique in every match. So thus far, I have been enjoying his work.

Hope he gets a storyline soon though, so we can see what he can really do.

No Buys.

I'm sure him and Brodus and/or Tensai are going to be butting heads very soon: Undefeated streak vs. Undefeated streak vs. Undefeated streak

Honestly, that first jobber on the microphone wasn't all that bad.

I don't think it will be all three of them but I can see Ryback vs Tensai possibly at SummerSlam.

Yeah, neither one of them seemed as uncomfortable as you'd expect.

FUTURE STAR IN THE MAKING.



Still not sold on Ryback, though.

God I miss that theme so much!

Definitely not.

However, if Paul Heyman was to stick around, and he somehow ended up managing Ryback, then his chances of becoming huge go way up.

Eh I can take it or leave it Ryback seems like like monster no 1,235 to me but time will tell weather he fizzles out or does something attention worthy

I did really enjoy his squash this week. I'm still not entirely sold on the guy yet, though. I was more sold on him when he was a member of Nexus, and looked like a fucking silent killer working with a team of men. On his own, I'm still waiting for that "hook" to grab me and reel me in.

Some random ideas for Ryback:

* Encourage people to write in about bullies in their hometown, and ask Ryback to feed on them.

* As someone said, one of those guys was not bad on the mic. Have him return to the WWE as a guy who has had his in-ring career ended by Ryback. He chastises the people for cheering Ryback, and then brings in more jobbers each week to try and fight Ryback. He can become the Lex Luthor to Ryback's Superman, if you will.

I'd be quite interested to see Ryback take on Colin Delaney.

Ryback does seem to be going back to the carnival era of freaks. I wonder how long they will continue these jobber squashes matches and get into the real roster of jobbers heels.

Y U no like the pit of danger?

could be any cunt i just like the music but thats the problem with most of the people they want us to like

If they do something that productive with the both of them and actually have a decent build, I would be very pleasantly surprised.

Tensai needs to get on the mic as Albert and kill this god-awful gimmick. He can keep some of the Japanese schtick because he's earned it, but it is absolutely painful to watch.

I don't get everyone's issue with the gimmick.

It's very cheesy. Very cheesy. I am in favour of guys having personalities and characters, but Tensai's just doesn't work, for whatever reason. Then again, I was never a fan of the Umaga character, either.

When has cheesiness been a real issue in pro wrestling though?

And I actually don't find this one that cheesy. It's a guy who left the company for years, became a star in Japan and returned as someone ingrained in that culture. It's not crazy unrealistic pro wrestling-wise or anything. Not seeing the cheesiness.

The guy dresses and acts like he's in kabuki theatre.

If Tensai came out with Sakamoto, told us that he left the WWE some years ago but found success in Japan, and put over how hard it was to make it over there being a "gaijin," and someone that who could not initially speak the language to talk to anyone and had enemies all over the locker-room, I could buy Tensai's growth and acceptance as a phenomenon over there.

As it stands now, his whole shtick is that he loves Japan so much that he's a caricature of elements of the culture. Is that a reason to really be afraid of the guy, or even boo him?

To be fair, Vince probably thinks everyone in Japan dresses like that.

And sure he's a caricature. As wrestling gimmicks tend to be. I don't think it's that bad. The common fan isn't gonna dissect it like that.

WWE could go back to the formula they used to use once upon a when; that being when a couple of "new" superstars debut fairly close to eachother a) one ends up being a face and the other is a heel, and b) feuding between the two is inevetable and usually done really fucking soon after they both debut.

With that, "The Genius" seems the perfect foil for "Goldberg II", and having him have a mean streak as opposed to simply being a cowardly heel makes it more believable he could actually go toe to toe with Skippy... when he wants to. But, he won't. Not right away. Eventually, after much teasing. On his own terms. For the benefit of all of the unwashed masses. You're welcome.

It's "The Genius 4.0," and "Goldberg III". Get it right. :p

"The Genius" was Lanny Poffo. There were two other iterations of the gimmick that both failed. "Goldberg II" was Lesnar.

The issue is as follows: white guy who's obviously a white guy who's suddenly AZN.

I think you would see the problem with this a little more if he went and wrestled in, say, the middle of Africa, then came back to WWE and wrestled in blackface.

Really? I only even knew of Lanny. And with Sandow's similarly loud ring attire, vocabulary, and this week's boner cartwheel, I drew direct correlation. No other Genius existed in my mind. Who were the others?

And if you're splitting hairs about which "Goldberg" Skippy is, why don't we just say "WWE Generic Hoss #4054"?

2.0 was Dean Douglas
3.0 was Matt Striker

... he's not actually pretending to be asian though. Big difference between what he's doing and blackface.

Just because he isn't speaking in Engrish doesn't mean he isn't dancing in an uncomfortable area with the pointy facial hair intentionally styled as if he were Japanese, wearing Kenzo Suzuki's old robes, having kanji written all over his head and speaking exclusively Japanese in the ring/on the mic.

As Noid said, should give him more "reason" behind his cosplay besides "he conquered Japan, so now he dresses like that".

Its not as if people don't pretend to be from other countries or races in wrestling. Happens all the time. Everyone from Jay Strongbow to Baron von Raschke. Kofi's horrible Jafakin accent... hell, even Santino was a Russian guy for awhile.

But this gimmick seems to be walking a line with what it's getting away with. It doesn't seem as much as him "honoring their culture" as much as it feels a bit disrespectful, sorta that same line Vince walked with Akeem the African Dream. We have fond memories of that, but it was still on that border of discomfort and could have easliy gone very, very wrong for One Man Gang's career.

Of course, I knew that discord in my choice of wording was coming, which is why I stated that would happen. Since I always seem to have to explain crap instead of taking what I'm getting at...

Maybe "blackface" was too strong with the cultural and historical implications that carries with it. Think of it this way, then:

Albert still goes to Africa in the same scenario I listed before, where he "dominates" there as the same as his current gimmick. Only when he comes back, he has a Ugandan equivalent of Sakimoto and comes to the ring dressed like Kamala. I mean, grass skirt, spear, sheild, and all.

You can't seriously tell me how you can completely miss how people could percieve this as disrespectful.

Tensai is a retarded gimmick. I would rather have him be A-train or Albert or anything else but this Jap Albert horseshit. Nothing about Albert is remotely Japanese. Big deal he spent some time there. Wait. I just got a great idea. Jericho has spent time in Brazil. He should return as Señor Brazil and talk about how he chooses Blanka in SF2

lol. Yes, blackface was strong.

Hell, Kamala was looked at as disrespectful and he debuted. It's different when it's a comedy character though. I really don't think there is any mean-spirited intentional racism going on here. I'm not getting anything more than that they are going for the embracing the culture he spent years around thing. If they have a terrible grasp of Japanese culture, then we can discuss that. It's never exactly been a strong point for the company.

The fact is though that it is just a caricature like Noid said. And I don't see why that puts everyone up in arms as far as a wrestling gimmick goes. I don't get terribly bothered when my wrestling doesn't get their understanding of foreign culture accurate.

I'll put it like this. Would it be weird to see a Japanese wrestler in the same gimmick as Tensai? No. It's a common thing. So now why is it weird for a guy who has made a name for himself in Japan and been around the Japanese wrestling scene to take a gimmick that would be natural in that scene within the realm of pro wrestling?

Tensai isn't working, though. They've already replaced him in major storylines with Big Show. If you want an answer as to "Why isn't this a good idea?" then perhaps you should accept "It's not working."

To be honest, I don't even have a problem with the attire Tensai wears, or even the tattoos. What bothers me is just how that's his whole deal. The only real heelish things he's done since debuting are acting grumpy and attacking people after the bell. During matches, Heath Slater is actually a better heel, in that he puts his feet on the ropes in submission spots and pinning attempts.

If Tensai explained why he hurts people, I would be more into the character. "In Japan, my past in the WWE meant nothing and only made people jealous. The guys in the back would gang up on me and beat the crap out of me before and after shows for months until I got so good that I could take them all. The world showed me no respect, so I will show none back."

Right now, even if you disregard the Japanese stuff, he's still just a big guy who hurts people, and that's bland as all fuck. Matt Bloom the performer is not to blame for it, really. At least when he went from being Albert to A-Train, Heyman at least explained it in a backstage segment where it was Albert getting serious about dominating the WWE, and he would now flatten anyone who would get in his way. It was a transformation and something that showed the A-Train character had found motivation to succeed on the SmackDown! brand under Heyman's guidance.

Tensai is just "I worked in Japan for a bit, so I'm going to dress up like this. Take me seriously."

I thought they may have been going this route the night they had Damien Sandow "debut" against Derrick Bateman. Sandow refused to get in the ring with an unworthy opponent, so Bateman demanded a challenge and Ryback did what Sandow was not willing to do. An interesting dynamic had started there.

I want to see Sandow feud with Zack Ryder, but I would also be interested in seeing Sandow duck Ryback for a few weeks, leading to a PPV match between the two (which Ryback would obviously win).

Also, the fact that Sandow has so much verbal ammunition from BOTH of their gimmicks. The common savagery of the flash-in-the-pan, hulking brute is EXACTLY what Damien is trying to save the ignorant masses from!

In turn, this keeps Ryback's momentum going towards something besides yet another impressive squash. And it would give them both some TV time to work up from green.

But, he may or may not be feuding with Yoshi. 2 matches in a row might be going somewhere. Too early to tell. Looked like they were going that route with Tatsu v. Tensai, then that turned into a squash and went away.

Sandow should try and "educate" Ezekiel Jackson. Big Zeke would make a nice bodyguard for Jackson, to keep the unwashed brutes away.

He was horrible on NXT and is believable as the Hip-Hop Hippo nowadays. He has no personality or charisma to speak of. He regularly draws under 1.0 in ratings. He's like when they initially turned Khali face without a real angle and no one gave a shit.

I for one do like it! As long as he has the Shogunesque entrance attire, I think this will do well. I do think he should have more worshippers come with him, it would help get him more attention, though this is probably already his most popular character yet.

not a fan of Tensai really. His gimmick has no staying power. If his first fued is interesting we may see them use him again hope he goes after the US or the IC title. But I place him below mid carder considering the WWE roster
Ryback can go a few different ways. He could go after minor gold and prolong his longevity. He could merge with Mason Ryan and really make the tag division look interesting or he can end up in a fued with Mason Rayan and draw a lot of attention to both of them.

I think the thing hurting Tensai is his old characters, who were kept below mid-carder level throughout his career in WWE.

nope there really just isn"t any room for his gimmick. But it could be corrected depending on who his first fued is with. I would love to see a fued with him and this guy whats his face... The You're Welcome guy. That would be a good fued. 2 heels going at it both believing they're better than the rest of the world. Thats what the WWE need they need the new talent to go against the new talent bcus lets be honest they're not going to let Tensai win a mainevent against any maineventer without a cheat and every1 will see it coming a mile away. so let them fight against each other.

I think they should have him feud with Yoshi because it could show the Japanese outlook on Tensai, and eventually, can turn Yoshi into a man-bitch who follows him around by a leash. I'd actually like to see more Japanese wrestlers and masked Luchadores involved in the WWE, this would help him too.

I think its a good idea if he's going to turn Yoshi into another worshipper. But there isn't too many Japaneese wrestlers mainly because Japaneese wrestling mainly appeal to their own audience. Luchadores also. I mean I as a wrestling fan enjoy to watch them but u don't see too many foreign wrestlers doing advertisement.

I've always been a fan of a slot for international wrestlers. WCW used to allow two international matches either every Nitro or Thunder, or even their one hour shows. I figured with WWE being on top, there's no real reason they couldn't do the same, especially considering how some matches shown consist of yawnable motherfuckers anyways who have no chance of drawing.

Didn't realize until the second watching, but the shorter jobber was Ricky Reyes.

Damndirty
I think with the reemergence of the cruiserweight division u may get ur wish. It will allow for more international wrestlers to break through. If they draft right they can give the Xdivision a go for its money.

Should squash Santino for the US belt ASAP.

As it stands the only thing making Tatsu "stand out" is that he is Japanese. Adding more Japanese characters to the roster won't help Tatsu, it's make him less unique.

Same with the masked luchadores. Rey, and to a lesser extent, Sin Cara are different. Small masked guys from Mexico in a sea of hulking muscle men. To add further masked luchadores only dilutes the impact of the ones they currently have.

Really, with Mysterio, Cara, Hunico and Primo/Epico, they have more than enough lucadores to offer anyway.

Excuse me, but let's refocus this thread on all things Ryback.

Why are they talking about Jap rasslers? Ryback>Japan

Exactly. Ryback would squash all those rice fuckers.

I'm glad someone gets it. You could realistically create a few more masked characters in the WWE and see what works. Rey Mysterio, right now, is so established that it doesn't hurt that there's a new "Rey Mysterio" out there in Sin Cara. Also, while Rey's gimmick when he showed up was that he was a marvellous high-flyer, Sin Cara is playing up the mystery of being faceless a bit more. There's more of a cultural connection between Sin Cara, his mask and where he comes from than the one Rey Mysterio had when he came in.

A heel masked character could work. I don't know why you want someone to be masked and not move merchandise, but as an antithesis to Sin Cara down the track, that could work. A masked female could work, as well, and help the Divas Division out. Beyond that, I could maybe accept a more "gimmicky" masked wrestler on the under-card -- someone like Ricardo Rodriguez in a mask, or Trent Barreta using his masked identity -- with the intent being to raise interest in them before unmasking them.

So many people that talk about bringing in wrestlers from Japan (and I often see this suggested when people are talking about improving the state of women's wrestling in the WWE), but the thing is, if you bring in too many then they lose that special case of being a "Japanese wrestler." You're better off introducing one, establishing them, and then when they are over on their own merits, you can think about signing someone else to introduce in similar ways.

Getting back to Ryback squashing jobbers, I'm kinda happy to see this being done again. I remember back in the 90's we would see guys like Bret Hart, Undertaker, Razor Ramon squashing jobbers. Basically all the top stars, and all the guys who debuted and were slated to get pushed, would wrestle jobbers in order to show off their move set, present their characters to fans so they would begin to familiarize themselves with the person, and the wrestlers themselves would use these squash matches to get acclimated to wrestling in front of a very large audience.

I think that this "concept" can be used successfully, if done the right way, to help the young talent who hasn't been able to get past a certain level, talent that's hit a "plateau".

But of course, that would entail that WWE would have to build-up guys in a slower way, and I don't know if that's something that'd be considered in today's fast-paced WWE.

I agree with Keith but on the flip side of that is the fact that the WWE roster is so crowded right now is it even right to place so many Jobbers in the mix. Why not put him in there against some of the NXT Rookies. I think it would do better for Rybacks image as well the rookies. It doesn't have to be such a thourough squashing. Because now as soon as he gets in there with someone with some repute and the match slows and the thrashing takes longer he will lose his power of domination. At the very least its time to step up his lvl of competition though I must admit finishing off 2 guys the way and manner in which he does it is just awesome. Just would rather see it be Heath Slater and maybe that black NXT guy I forget his name.

The thing is that Ryback has no character of which to speak.

His character is that he loves to fight and that he's an ass kicking machine. They never even explained the black eye they just said he loves to fight. Just the fact that he came out there with a black eye proves that his character is such. Anyone else they would of explained or not let him wrestle. Its not like we know when he's going to thrash some again anyway, they could of waited until it healed

Ryback's gimmick should be that he hates black people, and he'll beat up any and all black people

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