Where is the WWE headed?
 

So I recently started watching WWE again, this would be my first time watching in over 2 years and I have been watching this month. I am so disappointed in the product they are putting out there today. Who had the idea of bringing this Sheamus guy over he's a big disgusting pale white guy with spikey orange hair.
Why are they trying to push this Daniel Bryan scrub into a title spot/ why did he have a title. Triple H is not really a full time wrestler anymore, Undertaker is gone, HBK retired, Umaga is dead, Booker T is gone, Jeff Hardy went to TNA, RVD went to TNA, ECW is gone, Edge retired with a knee injury, Mark Henry is injured, Carlito, Mr. Kennedy left for Tna, Batista left, and Randy Orton, Jericho, and Mysterio are all suspended. Which means that the WWE is trying to push scrubs like Sheamus, Daniel Bryan, Ziggler, the Miz, and Swagger who would just be midcard guys. I mean I guess you would want to give these guys chances, but seriously they aren't interesting enough. There are some things I do like about the new WWE though that being Kane is masked again, CM Punk is at his full potential, AJ, Alberto Del Rio, Ryback (if they make him into something more), Christian is back, and A-train is back but they need to give him a better character than Tensai.

The WWE just needs some guys to come back because this roster is so shitty. They should try to get some TNA guys like RVD, Hardy, Angle, and Kennedy, try to get the Undertaker back, Triple H, and Booker T, and get ECW back in place of NXT or whatever garbage they have replacing it.

I would watch TNA but TNA has no storylines and the matches are sub par.

The direction the WWE is headed from here is right down the drain if they don't make some changes.

... So you're saying Ryback/ Batista/ Carlito is better than Sheamus/ Ziggler/ Bryan? :rofl:

when did I say that..? I wouldn't want Carlito to main event or come close to it. I liked him as a midcarder and i'd have Ryback over Sheamus any day. Idk how Batista got thrown into that. Now that i think about it Batista dropped so much weight after he got off of steroids so never mind for him. Bryan isn't interesting at all and Ziggler is meh i just think they're trying to rush him too much. Like how they took ADR out of No Way Out and gave Ziggler the spot.

This is the era of pushing too quickly, then dropping it if it doesn't stick. Sheamus stuck. Never cared for "Mr. Konami Code" "Dancing" Dave Batista. Big doesn't equal charisma. Most talents on the roster could be better used, but that doesn't mean they are bad. Ziggler is freaking amazing, but with no real point to his character now. #HEEL was great so they dropped it.

Alberto has a concussion. They had to replace him with someone, and Ziggler was the best choice.

I think I read that Smackdown is in Baltimore this week, so if they're not already there I'd guess they're on their way.

ehh i've been trying to get up to date on the WWE watching old episodes, ppvs, and such. I never said big equals charisma or else i'd be asking for ezekiel jackson to be pushed. I just thought Batista was an interesting character. I just hate how Sheamus looks and how that guy has a title. I like Ziggler i just think he's been getting that world/wwe championship push for too long and he doesn't fit the bill. He's just an IC/midcard kind of guy. I also can't stand Daniel Bryan he isn't interesting as a heel or a babyface he just needs to be dropped altogether and fed to Ryback. I just want more familiar names back in the WWE like Kurt Angle, Jeff Hardy, RVD, the Dudleys, and Mr. Kennedy. TNA is garbage.

That is definitely not true because he wouldn't of been able to be back last night. That's not how concussions work especially in a professional sport.
They are just trying to give Ziggler a title spot and it doesn't work.

@Iginfest - I bet you thought you were really funny/creative/cool when you typed that. :D

Almost everyone who has ever made an impact has been labeled as "just a midcard guy" at some point in there careers. Go look at early Steve Austin footage, and tell me from watching that, you could see what would become Stone Cold.

Yeah but that was the attitude era.

Note that I'm not bashing you at all, that's not what my posts in this thread intended. I feel that this mindset is exactly what's wrong with WWE these days. They keep looking to the past (HHH, Taker, Brock, Rock, Vader, and the like) for small ratings bumps. The large ratings bumps lie in long term booking, elevating new stars, and generally not putting out a product that's a bit shit. Amdrag is great at what he does, one of the best. Because of shit booking he's not taken seriously. Rey is taken seriously and he's smaller, why is that? You don't care about the talent they have now; nobody does, as it's hard to care when the WWE doesn't. The talent depth they have now could arguably rival the depth of the attitude era. Unfortunately it isn't booked that way.

If thats how you feel sir you either
1. You Haven't seen and need to watch TNA these days, the product is very good right now

or

2. Just plain Stupid

Hopefully you fall in the first catagory, if not you have my best wishes

I watched last thursday and i couldn't get into it.

It was pretty funny/creative/cool.
Judging by the content of this thread, I'd go with #2.

"At the June 5 tapings of SmackDown, Del Rio suffered a legitimate concussion
which led to WWE pulling him from his scheduled World Heavyweight Championship match against Sheamus at No Way Out."
that is from wikipedia

edge retired with a neck injury not a knee injury

The roaster is just fine. Couple injuries and 2 key suspensions hurt No Way Out as a whole. Add the Y2J/Randy Orton match to that card and it is a pretty nice line-up.

How do you not enjoy Sheamus? Dude is a monster. Sure he can be a tad bit bland at times but maaaan he is good. Honestly what do you not enjoy about him?

Stop forming nonsensical opinions based on very recent watching.

enough said

yeah if they are going to take from tna, they need to get the likes of storm roode and aries

i'd say 10% of the stuff the WWE puts out is true. Wikipedia is also not a very credible source.


@Ruien - He's gross looking, boring, and extremely pale he needs to put some pants on.

This guy has no clue about wrestling... he is minus a clue. My guess is he thinks the attitude era is the greatest thing ever and thinks that nothing in wrestling will ever or has ever surpassed it, but in fact he's 13 and probably never even watched the attitude era. Fact is WWE right now is pretty damn good in the talent department, they just don't utilize it and instead of booking for the long term just rely on old timers to come back for ratings. I will agree with one thing though, WWE is headed down the shitter if something doesn't change but it's not that they aren't bringing back guys it's that they are and are ignoring their current talent.

If you've just started watching again, and these at your thoughts, maybe it's time to stop watching again. ;)

No I am 12. :|

nothing will surpass the attitude era it was pg13.

So were the crowd reactions and the ratings due to him being "big?"

Batista showed just how good he could be during his last months in the company as a heel.

Never said he wasn't good, or that he wasn't a draw. Just felt that he didn't really connect with me personally because he wasn't charismatic. Sure, he may have actually been. Pair him with nothing but the best, keep him protected, and make him look golden, and it's hard for me to believe it's because of him. Note that I watched sporadically during this period so he may have actually stood on his own when I wasn't looking, but I never saw it. "Big?" may be the measuring stick in the WWE, but I watch for talent.

I felt this was his best time, and wish he could've been heel for a longer period.

At least he backs himself up with well thought out logic and pointed examples.

Um yeah something has surpassed the Attitude era and it was called the Ruthless Agression era, sure it had some AE moments in it but the wrestling was a helluva lot better

But why did he draw? I mean, big guys get the pops, but they don't necessarily draw. Triple H was protected and booked strong, and he still sucked in terms of ratings. So what was the X-Factor here?

Sean Waltman, obviously.

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supreme get the rep points for his perfect timing.


I know a lot of people who don't like wrestling anymore because they're living in the past. They want to see the same old guys out there at 50 and 60 like Ric Flair. I still like Jeff Hardy RVD etc etc of those TNA guys and i would still like to see them in the WWE because they're not old. But I like the new guys also and sooner or later triple H gotta hang it up. And the other legends will have to hold it up. Hopefully we don't get them to be like Flair and Hogan who wrestled last year. Its over for them. Hopefully they'll leave just before they go flabby so we don't have to watch them jiggle over the ring. These young guys are good and deserve a chance to shine. Ziggler is good, Sheamus is good, the best move set I've seen for a guy his size. CM Punk even though he stole Ortons powerslam as a move set is great.

I think the attitude era 98 to 99 was the best era in wrestling! WCW and WWF were really butting heads in 98, and in 99 we started to see the shift of focus entirely on WWF while WCW was about to be diagnosed with a cancer called Vince Russo (after he had just helped WWF get to the top spot). Now, if WWE and TNA start to butt heads like that, and we start getting more controversy in a feud with them, I will say that non-wrestling fans may be made. It also takes the right kind of celebrity involvement, not just any celebrity can be used. Tyson made a difference because newbie wrestling fans were starting to think he became a permanent part of WWF (hardcore fans see past the smokescreen), and he was a very popular and controversial figure in that time.

Eh I mean I want Jericho, Angle, the Dudleys, Hardy, RVD, Orton, Kennedy, and Carlito back. Rey Mysterio might be done since he's had like 6 knee surgeries and Henry has had a lot of injuries. The Undertaker needs to stop fucking around and either announce retirement or come back and wrestle just not be a ppv wrestler like lesnar or what HHH is doing now. I heard Tensai was getting a character repackage so that could be a plus. I'm just kind of upset because of how downhill WWE has been lately especially with the writing, people leaving because they know how shitty this company is, and how they aren't really using these guys to their best. I just want better characters than some guy with 2 first names in a speedo which is like 90% of these new wrestlers. I want like a masked character not like a luchador but like how Kane was when he first came up or someone like a Big Boss Man or a Sgt. Slaughter. There needs to be new groups like DX, NWO, Evolution, Nexus, Corre, Ministry of Darkness, and others i forgot about. After all this is done then I think WWE can be how it was 4-6 yrs ago.

Interesting point tjogo



Sounds like ur saying, it doesn't have to be those guys but guys like them. There we're better Jobbers back in the days that for sure. Sid Justice ruled the world now u can't see me. Stone cold said so, now the want our attention please. Understandable

yeah this is actually what i was trying to say in the first post before everyone tried to bash me.

Was 2006-08 really that good? I don't remember it being that good.

mhm.. better than today that's for sure.

Most of the Attitude Era was rated TV-PG. They got the TV-14 (not 13) for Raw in like 1999 or 2000.

Smackdown was always rated TV-PG since it's debut in 1999.

Also, you need to be 13 to have an account here.

hahaha:rofl:

May I suggest that you download all the stuff from that period and watch it instead of the current product? That way you wouldn't have to come here to complain about how you don't like the thing that literally nobody is forcing you to watch...

relax big guy.. i'm entitled to my opinions and some people may agree with me. They don't develop these guys enough, their characters are boring, and the WWE is just in a downward slope. I still like to watch it though.

See, now we're gettig somewhere.

Absolutely agree that a lot of talents are not developed/underutilized, etc.

Yeah we'll be good friends you just need to stop being salty. :y:

i just think a roster full of guys with 2 first names is not interesting. The writers just need to be fired. They need more creative characters not like what they tried to do with Tensai but like I said in an earlier post. Guys like Sgt slaughter, Big Boss man, Undertaker, Kane, and Mankind. Ted Dibiase jr is a guy I think needs the be developed more because I think he has main event potential.

Thing is, you're sayimg you want gimmicks but then trash Tensai, perhaps the closet thing to a gimmick wrestler in the WWE today.

Imagine the Undertaker debuting today, with the "mystical powers" and everything, I wonder if that'd get over or if it'd get laughed at.

Maybe i'm not a big Tensai fan is because i'm used to him as Atrain or prince albert.

No he wasn't all that stuff right away though. He came in dark and all but wasn't overpowering. Taker is huge too he's like 7"0 can do the eye white thing and intimidating in general. I mean it all depends on the physical characteristic of the guy. Why I felt 06-08 was better than now was more gimmick wrestlers and talent was used better.

Falling on the floor grabbing my ribs laughing my ass off


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Hey thats why I wrote it out

Daniel Bryan is a tremendous character. He literally cracks me up at times. He's just so villainous that it is comical, and I am reminded of Kurt Angle during his hey-day, when he a bit of a goof outside the ring, but inside would tear it up. All Bryan needs is a bit of work in the promo department. He's actually not bad on the mic, he just needs to work on how to deliver some lines. His character is fine, though.

Dolph Ziggler is fucking tremendous, too. He's lost a bit of his oomph since WrestleMania, but I have a feeling that he will regain that soon. I do think that he needs just a bit more character. He's all "I think I'm great," but beyond that, there's nothing. I think what Ziggler needs is a proper feud with someone, where we can see more than just "I'm cocky" and give us some depth and development. What motivates Dolph Ziggler? Is it to be a champion? Why is he a wrestler? Give us something, WWE.

I really want to see Triple H vs. Dolph Ziggler, by the way. I don't know why, but I have a feeling that match would be utterly tremendous. The same goes for Triple H vs. Daniel Bryan.

Not really a Triple H fan but I enjoy his performances. At the same time I would only like to see those matches to add them to Zigglers Resume. Also to D. Bryan. I think they earned the right to wrestle soon to be HOFrs b4 they retire

I'd support Shawn Michaels coming out of retirement for one match against Daniel Bryan to really help him get that extra footing as a star. Do it at WrestleMania next year.

As for where the WWE is heading, I think SummerSlam is going to look something like this:

* Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar
* CM Punk vs. John Cena for the WWE Championship
* Chris Jericho vs. Randy Orton (although this might change given Orton's standing with the company)
* Sheamus vs. Big Show

Pretty epic PPV.

He's a vanilla midget though.

I think the first step is that everyone in WWE should drop their gimmicks and turn heel for some reason. Then they should denounce their old gimmicks and proceed to drop nothing but PIPE BOMBS.

WWE will never get that low, because they will lose their programs before it happens.

Well, for Smackdown and Raw. Anything else would probably have to move up to get a .5.

Pfft, typical AntiTradition... Yoshi Tatsu could write a better comeback than this pile of back pimples who has the crappiest gimmick of being a wannabe renegade forum hero.

haters gonna hate,,,,,,,,,,

For AM Raw, sure. Like they always have been for the past 5 years at least.

Well...Well...Well

lol good catch

Gosh, Mr Belding, I promise not to steal Lisa's term paper again!

Don't feed the Troll guy's, he be trolling. hhahaa

wow i thought my rep was bad.. don't listen to this guy

wow dolph ziggler grew up and went to high school like 10 minutes from my house

Well smackdown was excellent this week I'd say. From beginning to ending. Just a little hiccup when Otunga started dancing but b4 that his jokes were actually funny.

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Don't normally watch Smackdown but caught two showings of it on a stream. It was pretty good.

Thought he was gonna do the Carlton. I was a bit disappointed with his dance choice.

Yeah I thought it was pretty good except for the Kane and Daniel Bryan match.

saying the same. Kane made a lot of mistakes in the match. But AJ's bit though obvious was fun. plus i really dig crazy chicks

Because at 3.0,,,,They still are a top cable draw,,,,barring sports season,,,,At .5,,,,theyd b below the ratingz averages for evn Heet n Filosifee,,,,

I feel like everything Russo wrote was written in the exact same form as an AntiTradition post... and possibly in crayon.

The X-Factor is charisma, I figure. Like I said before, he could've been the most charismatic person on the roster but I didn't really watch him enough to notice. Only time I ever really paid attention to Batista was during his feud with Eddie and right before he quit. Beyond that I don't really know much about his work other than he was protected and always had a title shot while guys who were more talented and charismatic in and out of the ring got nothing for their efforts simply because they were not big. That said, you can bust my chops if you feel like it and I know you can back it up with ratings proof.

I'm beginning to think TNARick/TNA&USA#1/AntiTradition actually IS Russo. TNA took his crayon away so he's back here bothering us again.

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So you're slagging a dude you didn't pay any attention to?

Vintage TPWW!

Everybody no selling the discovery that Djogo is Heyman? Or did he just use vanilla midget inspired by Heyman?

Lol I heard it when i thought Nash said it a while back and promised myself I would use it when refering to Daniel Bryan because he's like 5"6. I remembered it when Gertner posted it in a thread that was like about who should be Ryback's next victim and I spit out my drink in laughter. I saw that you fucked up my rep you dick.. i thought we were cool.. lol.. :shifty:

Ah my bad then. Here is some extra positive rep.

It got me green, thanks bro. :y::cool:

This just in: Kane Knight is Heyman.

Honestly, I think the product is in better shape these days than it's been in the last ten years. Daniel Bryan is doing some of the best work of his career as a heel on Raw and SmackDown. It's become destination programming for me when he's on. Not to mention Punk on top, Ziggler and Cody Rhodes.

Say what you want about this current era, but every era of pro wrestling, even the much beloved attitude era, has great stuff, good stuff, and outright horrible stuff. To pretend the attitude era is some untouchable level of high-brow genius is just being a nostalgia whore for the sake of it.

Incorrect. Being DVLH is being a nostalgia whore for the sake of it.

Daniel Bryan is perhaps the greatest character in the history of the WWE. That's only slightly exaggerated.

Will we allow a slight exaggeration? YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

AJ > Daniel Bryan

He still needs the horns of a ram and fleece to accompany his Viking music and goat face

Fair point, XL, but without him, I'd never know who beat who in some Japanese promotion I never heard of before.

Nah, Daniel Bryan's character is slightly better than AJ's. I like that AJ has somehow made her crazy chick endearing to people, but the Bryan character is the genesis of it all. He's the root of all evil, and the cause of destruction for this poor little girl. He's still even somewhat trying to manipulate her.

I think that Daniel Bryan versus someone representing AJ's well-being would be perfectly deserving of the SummerSlam card. Right now, Kane seems like the best option. Have someone like Derrick Bateman got to bat for AJ (perhaps because Kaitlyn still cares so much about AJ), which also has the "you dumped me as your rookie" angle. Bryan dismantles Bateman, so then Kane comes down and takes it to Bryan, telling AJ that he has no interest in her, but he's going to make sure Bryan learns some respect for her. In the Attitude era, this would have led to Kane having an implied threesome with Kaitlyn and crazy AJ, but I'm not sure where it would go in the modern era.

Hopefully Bryan can make Kane submit at some point in it, and bounce back for perhaps another opportunity to face CM Punk or John Cena over the fall season.

Bryan's heel character generates good heat! Telling her he wishes she wasn't born was absolute cruelty. In the PG Era, it may either go with Kane as a superhero savior to the two women and they would fight over him, or in a Russo twist, Kane ultimately locks the women in the freezer with the corpse of Paul Bearer.

Idk.. I'm not a big Bryan fan.. Since recently watching again, I watched past ppvs and stuff and gave all of the new roster guys who weren't there 3 years ago a chance. I just couldn't get into Daniel Bryan's character he's boring and doesn't look or wrestle the part.