So what to do with Lesnar
 

After Triple H beats him at SummerSlam? He just rides the bench til' the Rumble (which he'll make an appearance at at best) and then has his match with Taker at Mania?

Thoughts? Ideas? Picture of Vince burning money?

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Also find it funny that Punk main eventing Raw (finally) brings in the biggest numbers since 2009 and he's still not going to main event SummerSlam. Love Triple H and all, but c'mon guy. Seriously.

The rating had nothing to do it being the 1000th episode/Cena challenging for the title/the anticipation that something big would happen?

That's crazy talk XL...logical, sensible, crazy talk...

Don't see Lesnar losing either, building him up for 'Mania on back to back defeats seems counter productive.

You go on and bet on Triple H to lose. Love to see that outcome.

Okay, thats my pick for tipsters.

I'd say it's like 90/10 that Lesnar is gonna win. Triple H is in business mode now. Can't see him putting himself over a guy that has such bigger things to be built up for in the immediate future. The only way Triple H would win is if they planned a rematch which, with all the hype coming into this one match, I can't see happening.

Also, lol @ crediting Punk with the ratings.

There's a good chance he'll main event SummerSlam though... if Cena or Rock are involved somehow.

How much money did you make betting on him the last two Aprils?

...Triple H is going to go over. I cannot believe people are questioning this.

lol. FACT

:shifty:

I'm sure Brock Lesnar couldn't care less whether he goes over or under. All that matters to him is that he gets paid.

So if Triple H goes over at Summerslam, before you go all nuts about how it's "bad for business", how "Triple H is doing it for his ego", just remember that the guy who should care about that (Brock), doesn't.

Just enjoy the lead-up and the match.

If the dude is only working 25 dates a year they should just have him work only PPVs and a few Raws to build them up and let Heyman fill in the gaps.

As for the topic at hand, I believe that at some point Brock and Rock will wrestle at least once.

Don't count out the possibility of Brock entering and winning the Rumble.

Yeah but HHH knows business. Brock is more marketable if he beats HHH......Although, Orton would have been more marketable if he beat hogan....so who knows?

Last year, at "Night of Champions", coming off the heels of CM Punk's "Pipebomb Shoot", when he was the hottest thing WWE had going, and after his run as Champion, Triple H pinned him.

You think Triple H is gonna have Brock Lesnar, the guy who left WWE after being pushed all the way to the top, go over him?

Come on, my dude!

Could go either way... I think Brock will and should win. I won't be completely surprised if he loses though.

No one bets against the Dead Man.

Ryback vs Brock Lesnar at Rasslemania in a reverse ladder match.

In a reverse Battle Royal.

They both start outside. The first one to throw his oppponent to the inside of the ring over the top rope, wins.

FUCKING BUYRATE BONER.

They need more reverse matches in rasslin. Who wouldn't wanna see a last blood match?

LOL everyone comes out bleeding, the first one to dry up, wins.

When I was a kid playing with my action figures, I used to have matches where the only way to win was to force your opponent to pin YOU down for the 3 count because I was a creative genius.

:rofl:

Yes!

Yes!

Yes!

Flair never wins.

Or Goldberg.

I remember for a while he'd come out and his head would be bleeding for no reason.

The fuck kind of logic is this? :?:

Triple H will do whatever is best for buisness...the guy said it himself plenty of times.

:roll:

My thoughts exactly

Lesnar and HHH should go to a draw/double countout.

Dude, even I think Brock is going over. I feel like it is 70/30 for Brock winning. I can see HHH winning, but I think a lot of it depends on their plans for Brock at Survivor Series. Also, do not even fucking act like Triple H squashed Punk at NoC last year. It was a fucking war and an awesome match that Triple H won by basically collapsing on CM Punk. Triple H needed to win that match because CM Punk had been doing NOTHING but making him his bitch on the mic for the past 2 months. It didn't hurt CM Punk in the slightest and showed that CM Punk can still lose as the "top babyface" and be perfectly fine.

If James Steele thinks HHH is gonna take the loss then I would be hard pressed to argue with him.

Mideon should return to interfere and take out Lesnar and hug HHH

Only if it's Naked Mideon.

Make it a Fatal Fourway with Ric Flair, Steve Corino, Atsushi Onita, and Abdullah the Butcher (or maybe with Dusty Rhodes substituting, considering how Larry Shreve has been confirmed as having Hepatitis C).

"The Original Shiek" Ed Farhat can be the referee who stabs participants with his nail. I still remember the Wrestling Allstars: Heroes and Villains issue where the cover featured, "Shiek Opens Onita! With a nail!" The inside had photos of ring physicians stitching up a crimson-masked Onita! [cues barf bag]

They should do an angle where Lesnar "shoots" on HHH and busts him open with his hammerfists.
Then HHH can be out legit because of that heinous attack.

Speaking of which, can Lesnar be arrested if he was to beat up HHH for real during a match?

Lesnar has to win. It makes no sense for him to lose to Triple H. That would make him 0-2 in his WWE return and he lose any aura he has left. The guy is supposed to be booked as unstoppable monster.

Have Heath Slater go over him clean at Summerslam, The Rumble and Mania.

He either needs to win over Triple H or at least something similar to Triple H vs Taker II where the match seems like a very brutal battle but the main difference of Lesnar being the one to slowly stand up while Triple H is barely moveable. It would make Lesnar still look like a beast while showing that he can take one hell of a beating and still come out standing.

Would also regain his unstoppable force that was diminished a bit after Cena-Lesnar turned into another "Passion of the Cena" and "over coming the odds" type match for Cena who won even though he barely attacked Lesnar compared to what Lesnar did.

And then burry Slater afterwards

Lesnar vs. a built-up Ryback at Wrestlemania?

Have a built up Ryback go over Lesnar since Ryback will be a part of the WWE's future while Lesnar will not be.

I like Heyman's idea. They would have to rush Ryback's build in the next few months though to make that more worthy than, say, Lesnar-Taker.

Under no circumstances do I believe Brock will go over Triple H.

And now that Paul Heyman has brought Stephanie into the mix, and has mentioned the Levesque-McMahon kids, there's no way Triple H does not come out of this looking like a hero.

It's weird. I fully expect some people to think Triple H will win. Like I said, I wouldn't go 100% on Brock winning. But the level of assuredness by some people of Triple H winning is bizarre.

There's just no reason for this feud to have ever been started other than to build Lesnar up more before whatever the big climactic match he has at Mania against a guy who is established and won't be effected by the loss. Cena beating Lesnar was HUGE. Cena came out looking like a badass. Cena is the full-time face of the company. Triple H is basically all about business now. He's not a full-time wrestler. He doesn't need to be put over and he's 100% in "what's best for business" mode. What does it do for anyone for Triple H to go over Lesnar?

I see where you're coming from. There are ways to make him look like a hero without him winning the match though.

I think this match is set up for one reason: to assuage Lesnar's frustrations with what happened at Extreme Rules. He was legitimately pissed that Cena didn't get stretchered out OR sell the broken arm the night next on RAW. WWE knows that Lesnar is a cash cow and his match at WrestleMania is going to be huge, no matter who he goes up against. So they have to keep him happy and make up for what happened at Extreme Rules.

The way that they're going to do this is have Triple H "take the bullet" for the good of the business. They'll have a great evenly matched encounter for the first part of the match, but then Lesnar is just going to brutalize him. Brock is going to dismantle Triple H and probably smear his blood across his chest. He's going to pulverize Triple H and then make him pass out from the pain of having a broken arm via Kimura.

And then Brock looks like a monster. Triple H eventually comes back to announce that, at WrestleMania, Brock is going to face the one man that no one - not himself, not HBK, and not a long list of legendary superstars, could defeat: Undertaker. Pre-WrestleMania, maybe Lesnar brutalizes Kane to add some fuel to the fire (we've never seen Kane get totally fucking demolished by anyone). Then at Mania, Taker beats Lesnar.

I actually think that Triple H will win at SummerSlam, but I think it will feature shenanigans. I see Brock destroying Shawn Michaels in the build to the match, and then Triple H is all "I'll avenge you, buddy." At SummerSlam, both guys look even, but HBK then appears and then gives Lesnar the Sweet Chin Music into the Pedigree.

In a perfect world, I would absolutely love to see Brock vs. HBK at WrestleMania next year. No other Brock match really interests me nearly as much. The size difference between the two alone makes me interested to see the match. I doubt HBK would come out of retirement to face Brock, but it would be dollars, so I wouldn't say it is impossible. The story there could be pretty immense.

Personal satisfaction for "The Game".

I've heard interviews where Triple H has said that he wishes Brock would've left differently in 2004, that he wishes Brock would've valued all he was given a little bit more. I believe that deep down inside, Triple H wants to go over Brock just because it'd feel good.

:nono:

No. Just no. The best personal satisfaction he can get now is making sure the business is successful.

Pretty much everyone agrees that Lesnar should win, it basically seems like the real battle is around the size of HHH's ego.

Personally I think it's huge, Lesnar's jobbing alll year

I get what you're saying, but how did the business benefit from Triple H going over CM Punk during The Summer of Punk angle? Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not at all complaining -- I'm just asking how one can be so sure Triple H will job to Brock because "it's good for business" when Lesnar has already lost since returning and within the past year, Triple H has gone over top babyfaces. Also, Triple H cleared Lesnar out of the ring on RAW this past week. That was a big RAW -- Lesnar putting Triple H in the Kimura before DX ran out to save Triple H would have been fine storytelling.

I don't think it will be the wrong move to put Triple H over at SummerSlam -- especially if they do it in a way like I suggested -- but I'm not going to be shocked if it happens. Not by a long shot.

The Triple H-CM Punk match was... weird. It was all oddly planned out in haste and in the end it was just a tool to hype the Miz and R-Truth vs Punk and HHH storyline and the Triple H vs Kevin Nash storyline as opposed to the end point of a fevered HHH-Punk rivalry like it seemed it was going to be months down the road.

This match is the exact opposite as far as plan and build. There is no haste here and there's no bigger storyline hovering around it. There was a thought months ago of "We need to build up to an eventual Brock Lesnar vs Triple H match." The match being a peak and not just a lead in to something else.

I'm just saying, with that in mind, why would they want to build HHH vs Lesnar? Isn't Triple H THE perfect guy to be over enough for Lesnar to get his Cena loss back without really ruining a full time worker? "We need to build to a Lesnar-HHH match so HHH can go over" just seems so.... "Huh!?"

Like I said, I'd still leave open a chance that Triple H wins. It would be bad for Brock's badass character but WWE is not above bad booking. The thought of maybe The Undertaker helping Triple H win and starting the build to Taker-Lesnar at Mania is one thing that crossed my mind. I'd hate for this huge build up to just turn out to be a build up to something else though.

Guys, it isn't 2003 anymore. MOVE THE FUCK ON!

As much as Heyman has antagonized Hunter, with Brock breaking Trips arm, and potentially attacking Shawn Michaels at the HBK appreciation night....

...you are batshit if you think Triple H isn't going over. You cannot be this dense lol.

I'm not interested in seeing any1 face Taker at Mania other than Orton.

Why? The guy has another 2 or 3 matches , one probably being against 'Taker at 'mania, so what's the point of having Brock lose again, to a guy who wrestles part time and won't be affected by the result in the least? If he's going after the streak you want him to look as fierce as possible to make it look like he has a chance, especially considering the money he's costing. Everyone agrees it was shitty booking to have him lose against Cena so why would it make sense for HHH to go over, because he beat Punk last year in a clusterfuck of a program that was built around Nash?:nono:

CM Punk routinely lost viewers during his title run/feud with Bryan. He's been a below average champion.

The only thing that can hold up against on F5 is a ONE MAN BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND BABY!!

This is what I was thinking. At Survivor Series, have Team Lesnar (Lesnar, Show, Tensai, Henry, & maybe Matt Morgan if he's back) vs. Cena, Sheamus, Orton, Ryback, & another babyface. Have Lesnar dq'd for excessive violence, to send a message to Ryback.

The match comes down to Ryback vs. Show & Tensai. Ryback eliminates Tensai, leaving him & Show. Show hits him with a WMD, Ryback no sells it, yells "STUPID" at Show, and hits his finisher. 1-2-3. After the match, Ryback stands above Show, yelling "Feed me Brock" over and over, while Brock looks worried on the ramp. Stretch it out till Mania, put Ryback over, and you have a new star.

Slater's segment outdrew the HHH/Lesnar segment last Monday.

Yup, Slater to end the streak!

What they should do is team Lesnar up with Slater and call the team Brock and Roll. They win every match until they rassle Ryback who beats bofum in 15 seconds.

Brock should smash through HHH at SummerSlam and break his back. He should then lock him in a Lion's Den cage and tell him that he will destroy WWE, lastly telling HHH "When WWE is ashes, you have my permission to die."

Over the following months Lesnar dominates the competition/injures a few people/intimidates Vince. During this time we see vignettes of HHH training himself before he climbs out of the Den to battle Lesnar/save WWE.

During the match, Brock should attack HHH and start beating him up "for real" with the commentators shouting, "THIS IS A SHOOT!", "BROCK ISNT SUPPOSE TO DO THIS, THIS WASNT IN THE SCRIPT!!!" ending in Brock being "arrested" only to have HHH challenge him to a shoot MMA match before which they show HHH training with like Tito Ortiz or something.

So you want them to admit that wrestling isn't real for the sake of one match?

I :heart: 2000 WCW

And yet it went out of business...I might be wrong but I think there's something to that....

By something, I mean shitty booking.

Don't mind me. Just quoting all these for easy access later.

Also, lol @ using something that you think is going to happen to HBK as evidence.

Considering Shawn Michaels and Triple H are potentially going to do some classic DX shenanigans and end Raw by beating down Heyman and covering Lesnar in shit, you're batshit if you think Lesnar isn't going over.

And I'm glad James Steele of all people is with me on this one.

Even if it is him just trying to jinx the outcome with by sending out the idea that Brock winning is predictabe to WWE via the internet.

Vince, in his infinite brilliance, has this set up so that either way the match goes it makes sense and works going forward.

I wish I had done that last year for all the "It's OBVIOUSLY Sting!" posts.

I've given up on Sting ever appearing in WWE. At this point, I'm not even sure he'd accept an induction into the WWE Hall of Fame.

I still think he'll do the HOF but not convinced he'll have a run in WWE before he retires.

At this point I wonder if he feels some kind of joy being the one big star that never set foot in a WWE ring. Like he likes the fact that it separates him from the pack in some way.

I can see him doing a Bret Hart eventually if he is gone from TNA for a while and saying "Why not?" and going into the HoF though.

He's rumoured to be on $500K a year and working a handful of dates practically in his front yard so I think thats probably the main reason. If he signed with WWE he'd have to work more dates for around the same money plus travelling.

If he did sign with WWE it would be a potential multi-million dollar deal where he would only work a handful of RAWs and PPVs. He would probably make more than 500K in WWE just from 2 PPV matches and merchandise. I think we all know Sting doesn't care about the money, so it might be what #1-wwf-fan was saying. I thought with WWE being more family friendly and treating WCW with a lot more respect in recent years that it would be more likely, but Sting might simply not care about it and never had being in WWE as a dream or goal.

Is he still that big a name though? I get he's a legend and they could do wonders with the video library but dunno if he still has the name value he once had to justify that kinda deal, especially at his age.

Absolutely, he is. He was the hottest thing in wrestling TWICE in the 90s and was one of the biggest names in wrestling over the past 25 years. For the average fan, Sting hasn't been on TV in over 11 years and people will remember him. Sting can still put on good to Greg matches with the right opponents. I have no doubt that Sting could come and do a 1-2 year run in WWE and be a huge success.

i haven't seen a greg sting match in years

...then you haven't been watching.

Do you have suggestions of greg Sting matches from TNA, James Steele?

Anything not featuring Foley, Abyss, Hardy, or RVD.

Sting is Greg!

Sting has Dixie Carter in his back pocket, along with whoever writes TNA.

They're want him to be their own Triple H.

Sting wins the Championship, he'll be the first inductee into the TNA HOF, he was GM this past Thrusday. He does it all. He gets paid well (I'm sure), so why go to WWE, where he doesn't really know what they'll do with him, where he'll have to work more dates, etc?

I can't imagine Sting in a WWE ring, TBH.

I think it's nice that you're trying, but the idea of doing Triple H vs. Kevin Nash in 2011 was a pretty dumb idea in itself. The whole thing was terribly booked, really. There were moments with The Miz and R-Truth that were fun, but beyond that?

Although I do agree with this. I just think that people saying Triple H is going to go over shouldn't be torn apart when there have been nonsensical decisions involving Triple H in the recent past, and that it would make sense for him to get the hero's victory at SummerSlam. It would also make sense for Triple H to take a beating and further the story, but I would actually be more surprised if Cena walks out of SummerSlam WWE Champion than at Triple H beating Lesnar.

Trying what? At what point did I praise any part of this as a good idea? I simply stated what had happened and what Triple H-CM Punk was used for...

I hardly found his matches with Bobby Roode "great". Unless your standards for "great" are really low.

Sting had a greg match with Greg "The Hammer" Valentine.

I really could care less for Lesnar in WWE at this point. Though the segment with Triple H on Raw was great, but because of Triple H... Lesnar looks lost when he's not beating the shit out of somebody.