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UFC 151
War HENDO
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Quite early?
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Yagin v Hominick was 1 of my fave fights last yr so rly wanna see him vs Siver
Rest of the card looks pretty lameee tho. Jones will blitz Hendo. |
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ruuuumours abound that Hendo is injured and could drop out
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Wonder if Machida will cash in his MITB on such short notice.
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Machida should wait until after the match.
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He's apparently fine though:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sport...op-out-ufc-151 |
one of the guys Hendo mentioned in the tweet about that training session hasn't actually seen him recently, Kenny Florian said "Hearing that we may have some disappointed @ufc fans soon due to some unfortunate circumstances for an upcoming card" and Dana White just called a "special conference call" in about 10 minutes time regarding UFC 151. Could be completely unrelated of course but rumours be rumours.
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the whole fight is off, Hendo has a partial MCL tear
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shitttt
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hold on, is he saying that 151 entirely is off?
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lol shit, Chael Sonnen offered to get on a plane last night and take the fight on 8 days notice. And Jon Jones turned the fight down
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Jon Jones vs. Lyoto Machida on the 22nd September at 152
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Dana is pisseddd at Jon Jones right now
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lol just called Greg Jackson a "sport killer"
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because the whole show is cancelled, a champion has never turned a fight down, "Tito was the most hassle to work with and even he didn't turn fights down"
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152 is now UFC 151
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suckssssss for every other guy on the card that's been training for months now
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lollll "Todd Grisham from ESPN now on the phone"
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and now Meltzer
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Hendo was trying to get in touch with Dana over the weekend, couldn't get hold of Dana 'til Monday, tried to work through the injury, bought him out to Vegas to see the UFC doctor, confirmed the tear, probably could have fought through it but would have been in great pain, even from top position
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all tickets will be refunded, "hopefully flights are refundable or can be switched to Toronto or wherever you like"
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apparently this all went down an hour ago, Jon Jones pretty much refused to fight anybody else
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lol Dana keeps referring to Jones as "SUPPOSED to be one of the top pound-for-pound fighters" with such disdain
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basically said Jones isn't liked too much as a champion and that he and Lorenzo are "disgusted" with him
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putting Chael over like a beast
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lol Chael told Dana he'd "fight him tonight" in any casino they can find
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ahahaha "by Friday I think Chael Sonnen would have convinced most of us he was going to win"
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"good for you Jon Jones, you're rich and you don't need this fight but there are a ton of guys on the undercard..." etc
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"I can tell you this, he ain't turning down the Machida fight. If he does, I can tell you now we'll have another media call this afternoon"
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"I can't make anybody take a fight. You're either a fighter or you're not"
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caller said Greg Jackson was just on Mauro Ranallo's radio show saying he doesn't understand Dana's comments. Dana: "I don't understand Greg Jackson's entire business plan, I don't give a shit what Greg Jackson has to say" and then 3 or 4 more comments ripping him to pieces including "he needs to see a psychiatrist"
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and that was the end of the conference call. Innnnnnteresting
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Chael Sonnen is a full on babyface now for sure
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michael @bisping
Jones said he's not fighting chael on 8 days notice. I did. .... Just sayin |
Wikpedia is going nuts right now saying Jones will face Silva, Fedor, Putin, Dana White, Sub-Zero.
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Dana is just mad he lost some money. The kid fought 4 times a year for Dana in 2011. more than any fighter I can remember, wants to delay a fight and Dana tries to rip him apart.
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TPWW Beat Writer, CSL!!!!!!
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they cancelled the entire event. That's paychecks that now won't go to multiple multiple multiple people that need them to live on and not just fighters. You think Shane Roller on the Facebook prelims or one of the camera guys can afford to have this fight cancelled? |
Seriously, now they're 17-19 other people who won't get paid thank to Jones.
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and Dana didn't try to do anything. He succeeded in tearing him to shreds.
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And that's just the fighters, nevermind the venue.
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and it's a bit naive also for the sentiment that Dana shouldn't be pissed off about their own money loss, when you're president of a company that has sunk millions of dollars into promoting an event (not to mention you're basically the poster boy given the first fighter to ever be sponsored by the UFC brand itself) and the entire thing is simply scrapped despite their being a way out and ready made excuse/almost guaranteed rematch if you lose? Unless there's something we aren't hearing, Jon Jones dropped the ball here
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Dana canceled the card though. Jones didn't. He could have just made it free on FX if he was fearing low buys, or stick another Main event in there.
Switching training from someone who has great stand up to someone who is great on the ground in 8 days? When you have the title? I would have turned that shit down too. |
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what main event can be put together in 8 days? and I'm fairly sure scheduling something on TV isn't as simple as Dana phoning them and saying "hey FX, put our show on at short notice no matter what else you've got planned or what our deal is yeah?"
and bollocks. The guy is the champion. Just because he's been training for Hendo doesn't mean he's going to have suddenly forgotten how to defend takedowns. Chael hasn't even had a training camp and he'd have fought him within 24 hours. As I said, Jones had a ready made excuse and rematch right there if "the unthinkable" happened, he had nothing to lose. As it is, he now has the UFC, the fans, the broadcasters, fellow fighters, the media/tech guys and more annoyed with him and he kind of looks like a bitch (I don't think this is the case, Dana seemed to make it pretty clear he's listening to Greg Jackson) If this was an undercard fight or the co-main then yeah, fair enough. But his name is on the marquee, he's the champion. He needed to step up here. |
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Jon Jones is gonna get booed for the rest of his career. Son of a bitch. This only other hand only makes Chael that much better than everyone else. /Chael
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Damn. Perfect week to finally get the Internet set up in my apartment. I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, Jones should have taken the fight with Sonnen not necessarily because he owes something to Dana or the other fighters on the card, but because I don't see Sonnen being so different stylistically to Hendo that it would put him at a disadvantage to fight the guy on such short notice. Sonnen is less of a threat in terms of landing a KO and is probably too out of fighting shape to really out grapple Jones.
People were hating the guy before he did anything wrong, now after a DUI and this, he's pretty much Hollywood Hogan at this point. |
he was spposed to wear tthe new nike mma gear for this fight..
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I'm really looking forward to seeing Jones lose, one of these days.
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The UFC really needs to do less PPVs next year. By canceling the entire event, Dana White basically acknowledged that no one else on this card was worth the price of admission or a PPV buy. A year ago, the fight would have been scrapped, the co-main event would have become the main, other fights would have been bumped up and it would have been business as usual. Jake Ellenberger is not co-main event material. Zuffa kind of put themselves in this unprecedented position to be bent over by one fighter.
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Looks like all that shit Rashad said about him turned out true.
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UFC will make a shit ton of money now if Sonnen vs Jones happens down the line. Jones may realize that this could be a huge money fight down the line, as opposed to rushing it now.
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It's hard not to like Chael, despite his gimmick. It's funny how Dana is able to manipulate narratives though. When Rashad needed an opponent last year, Chael offered to move up and fight him, but Dana laughed that off and said he needed real 205ers... We got Tito Ortiz. Now he wants to put Chael over because he's pissed at Jones when he knows damn well Chael on 8 days notice would have less of a chance to beat Jones than he would have Evans on three weeks notice with Rashad coming off a one year layoff and you can't say Dana was protecting the rematch with Anderson Silva because Sonnen fought twice after making the offer to fight Rashad.
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I am going to guess that if Sonnen wins in Dec he will face Jones in March or April.
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He'll probably fight the winner of Shogun vs Gustafsson |
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it was gonna be huge for the sport..
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Why would Dana go out and absolutely bury him knowing damn well Jones already had a bit of an image problem? He said in that conference call he can't make fighters fight, but then said Jones ain't turning down the Machida fight. Blasting Jones like that and further hurting his marketability is a stupid move if you're not going to strip him of the title or even cut him. Now, fans are pissed at Jones and the UFC still has to promote his fight on the 22nd against Machida and future fights with most fans hating his guts. Good luck with that. I doubt the people saying they can't wait to see Jones lose are going to throw down $50 in hopes that a guy Jones choked out and dropped like a sack of shit or anyone else he's already beaten will be the one to do it. |
Jones shoulda taken the fight. Like pointed earlier in the thread, Chael would take the fight on short notice too not just Bones. Plus Bones had the advantage of training this whole time..doubt Chael was training as hard as Bones these past few weeks.
I wonder if Bones knew the consequences if he didn't take the fight? I agree about maybe less ppv's ..or something along those lines. Some of these cards are way too weak. |
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Listening to this phone conference, Dana sounds like a slime ball.
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Apparantly There is a conference on Fuel tv right now but.....I can't see it because i dont have that channel :(
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what the mother fuck. I would love to see this conference
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Yeah. I just listened to the full conference call. Dana always seems to make rash decisions and say dumb shit when he doesn't get his way.
It's like when he took Nick Diaz out of the main event against GSP for missing a pre-pre-fight press conference that wasn't open to the public only to end up having to put him back on the card as the co-main event because the projected buys went to shit and the fans complained only to have Diaz end up main eventing the thing after GSP was injured. Same thing when he blasted Shogun for not taking the fight against jiu jitsu wiz Glover Teixera because... who the fuck is Glover Teixera!?... only to have Shogun put on the best fight of all the televised UFC on Fox fights against Brandon Vera, who stylistically was much more exciting of a match up than against a straight up jiu jitsu guy. Or back in 2008 when he cut the entire AKA roster (including Fitch, Koscheck and Cain Velasquez) and said "fuck all of them" because they didn't agree to the merchandising deal he presented. Or when he cut Nate Marquardt over the TRT thing and said on video he'd never fight for any promotion owned by Zuffa... Marquardt is the Strikeforce Welterweight champion now. Or even when he buried Anderson after the fight in Abu Dhabi against Maia. It just doesn't seem to make much sense to publicly threaten or trash your biggest stars. Especially when you know you're still going to work with them because you need them. Some stuff should be kept in the room and handled behind closed doors. |
Dana is very butthurt in this call. I wanna see what he has to say after he has cooled his jets a little bit.
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Yeah he sounded butthurt.
========================== found a stream but its talking about surf boards :/ http://www.nowwatchtvlive.com/2012/0...treaming-free/ |
Here's a link to the earlier call http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/23/32...ping-jon-jones
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Here's something my law school buddy brought up that Dana White probably leaves out when he discusses all the money lost and guys who will starve... promoters of major events get something called event cancellation insurance. It allows a promoter to recover at least the non-reimbursable expenses of an expense and at most 100% of the gross expected profit in case of cancellation due to non appearances of key individuals like Jon Jones or injury to marquee guys like Henderson. By making it seem like Jones refused to appear and he couldn't make him, they might be able to claim more and break even than they would if they ran the show.
If Bob Arum and a major concert promoter like Live Nation have it, they'd be crazy not to have it. It would be nice if someone would have asked Dana about that possibility on the conference call. |
I totally agree, I think Jones should fight Sonnen provided Sonnen wins against Griffin. My biggest problem is Dana trying to rally everyone against Jones when he booked the weak card and it was his decision to outright cancel the event. If there was another big fight on this card (like if they moved Vera vs Dos Santos to this card) there wouldn't be this shit storm.
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michael @bisping
Jones said he’s not fighting chael on 8 days notice. I did. …. Just sayin TJ Dillashaw @TJDillashaw I can’t believe a whole show was canceled because of Jon Jones!! He should have to relinquish his belt Michael Chiesa @MikeMav22 @JonnyBones is a fraud. He’s all about his $$ but he won’t take a fight with @sonnench who would bring in WAY more $$? He’s scared, period. Vinny Magalhaes @VinnyMMA How to ruin an entire event #BonesKnows Things that people learned today: Chael @sonnench is the man! A lot of people will be losing money. Jon Jones doesn’t give a shit. Charlie Brenneman @SpaniardMMA Me n @rick_story took a fight on 24 hrs norice!! Champ what?!?! @ufc @JonnyBones u can send my check to PO box 198. EH NJ. Rent is due the first, so preferably by then. Thanks. @ufc Mackens Semerzier @MackDaMenaceMMA Cancel the whole damn event? What happend to “I’ll fight whoever the @ufc tells me to” or does that only apply to fighting “friends”? Michael Chiesa @MikeMav22 99.999% of @UFC fighters will be “company men” and help our organization if needed. @sonnench is a company man, @jonnybones is selfish. Ulysses Gomez @uselessgomez Bones wouldn’t be taking the fight on “8 days notice” he’s been training for a fight for at least 8 weeks! Chael is same style as Hendo. But he said no? Abel Trujillo @AbelTrujillo1 The news of UFC 151 cancelled is heartbreaking!!! Trying to stay positive that its Gods plan & not mine!!! Jon Jones is selfish For that!!! john albert @UFCPrinceAlbert I am so livid right now I was the biggest Jon jones fan but not anymore that guy is bad for the sport his fans and other fighters he doesn’t Understand or forgot what it’s like being a lower ranked fighter like me or @JeffHougland who make pennies compared to him and fighting is Our livelihood and we survive by fighting and all the hard work those 20 other fighters put in are goin to waste utterly discusted Brock Jardine @BrockJardine If u wanted to make money y wouldn’t u want to fight @sonnench who was just part of biggest ppv in @ufc history Really disappointed |
Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani
Ok, maybe Chael is the only winner today. Speaking of which, this might be the greatest double turn since Hart/Austin at WM 13. |
lol Ariel, nice reference
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Look at this awesome card:
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><th colspan="9">Main Card (PPV)</th> </tr> <tr> <th>Weight Class</th> <th>Red Corner</th> <th> </th> <th>Blue Corner</th> <th>Method</th> <th>Round</th> <th>Time</th> <th>Notes</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Light Heavyweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Jon Jones (c)</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Brazil.svg.png Lyoto Machida</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td><sup class="reference plainlinks nourlexpansion" id="ref_UFC_152">Note 1</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Flyweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Joseph Benavidez</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Demetrious Johnson</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td><sup class="reference plainlinks nourlexpansion" id="ref_UFC_152">Note 2</sup></td> </tr> <tr> <td>Middleweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ngland.svg.png Michael Bisping</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Brian Stann</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Lightweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Canada.svg.png TJ Grant</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Evan Dunham</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Light Heavyweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Matt Hamill</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...elarus.svg.png Vladimir Matyushenko</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Featherweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Cub Swanson</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Brazil.svg.png Charles Oliveira</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <th colspan="9">Preliminary Card (FX)</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Light Heavyweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...roatia.svg.png Igor Pokrajac</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Brazil.svg.png Vinny Magalhães</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Featherweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Jimy Hettes</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Marcus Brimage</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Welterweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Seth Baczynski</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Norway.svg.png Simeon Thoresen</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <th colspan="9">Preliminary Card (Facebook)</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Bantamweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Canada.svg.png Mitch Gagnon</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Walel Watson</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Welterweight</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...States.svg.png Charlie Brenneman</td> <td>vs</td> <td>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tralia.svg.png Kyle Noke</td> <td> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td align="center"> </td> <td> </td></tr></tbody></table> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Machida_II.jpg |
Helwani is the perfect nerd yo. He has the goofy clothes, the great job and the ability to have nerdgasms for paychecks!
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beat me to it. I'll just add my commentary. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY SMOKING? Seriously, he has to know that he is selling this card and that his star power is pretty much the only juice on this card. You gotta do what you gotta do. Fuck him and this bitch ass excuse.
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I love this shit. I hope Dana gets bent over the barrel more often.
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How is this all Jon Jones fault? He has every right not to accept a huge fight like that with such short notice and risk his growing empire. Dana White proves what an arrogant and unprofessional twat he is as well as finally humbling the son of a bitch and hopefully making him realize he isn't the fucking bookerman god he thought he was. Dana cancelled the entire card, not Jones. Dana is the one who booked a shitty ppv with only 1 drawing fight, not Jones. Jon Jones is a professional fighter who is building a brand with his name and image and this little blip won't matter while he keeps kicking ass. Remember when Anderson Silva was the most evil and pompous ass to ever walk the Earth awhile back after pulling his little stunts in fights? Last fight, he was Mr. Sportmanship and Mr. Respect.
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Dana can talk all the shit he wants, but as long as he wants to claim to be the one true MMA company, he doesn't have the balls or money to cut Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, or any other elite fighters who finally use the only leverage they have and refuse to be his bitch.
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I totally agree James, I spent all night debating this shit with my friends. All of them think Jones is a bitch. I think Jones should put his own welfare first and it's not his fault a card went down it's the UFC's fault for having a card so weak that if it's main event goes down the whole card has to.
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That all being said I'm disappointed not to see Jones/Hendo and I would have loved to seen Sonnen get destroyed by Jones, but I can't blame him.
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Poor handling of the card by the UFC? Yes. Honestly though, I don't think Jones would have much trouble with a Chael Sonnen. Jones alludes to not being able to train and be prepared...yet he'd be facing a guy that would not be close to "fighting shape" as he is...even if he didn't get to spend a full camp preparing for Sonnen. Jones would definitely have the edge due to the fact he's been training and in fighting shape.
Jones takes the fight and wins...he builds goodwill with the UFC. He's a divisive fighter as is but taking a fight on 8 days notice to help save a card? Only builds goodwill with fans...with only goes on to further build his brand and help his career. And if for some reason he loses, he's guaranteed a rematch and has a built in excuse of having little time to train and fans would easily buy that excuse. Fair or not, he's now going to be the guy viewed as a "scared" champ...who screwed over 20 other fighters out of a paycheck (many whom probably can't afford for that to happen) cause of his "selfishness." It's going to be interesting seeing the crowd response to Jones on the 22nd and in the future. |
It's not his job to worry about other fighters. That is Dana's job. This isn't pro wrestling, the "draw" is only responsible for winning or losing.
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and it just doesn't stop. Machida turned down the fight against Jones
the main event of 152 is now Jon Jones vs. SPOILER: show looking forward to that more than Jones/Machida, gotta say |
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