Best Wrestler #12
 

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<select><option selected="selected">Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option></select>

Bret Hart without question.

As much as The Rock entertained me in the past...Bret is my favourite wrestler so...Bret

The Rock by a landslide. Bret Hart was a terrible draw, boring on the mic and was boring in the ring.

Rock kinda bored me in the ring. The way he over-did everything he did was distracting. Not to mention that God awful sharpshooter. Rock was purely an entertainer. Bret could cut a decent promo when he wanted to as well though. Also, fair or not, I can't remember caring about the outcome of very many Rock matches. Not the case for Bret. He gets my vote.

YOU SCREWED BRET! YOU SCREWED BRET!

Oh you son of a bitch...

I'm gonna go away and think about this. Both underrated in certain Departments, Rock in the ring and Bret on the mike

I think I'm going to have to over rule the end result in this one. Bret Hart is the king of the vanilla midgets and it's becoming clear that my wrestling knowledge is just too surperior for this board anymore.

Even from a "Bret Hart is a vanilla midget" point of view, Bret Hart is not THE KING of vanilla midgets. STOP WITH THIIIIIS.

This was close, but I went with The Rock. Bret was technically superior, but The Rock had more of a lasting impact. He may not have the multitude of classic matches, but there are so many more Rock moments that people will be talking about for years. Plus, he was the focal point of the greatest night of cohesive booking in WWF history, so bonus points for that.

I think the Rock was generally better, especially on the mic, and overall with starpower/superstar look etc, but I voted Bret. Was a huge Bret mark in the 90's, from his breakaway from tag wrestling to his retirement. It sucks that his career ended the way it did, and that he spent more-or-less the last ten years doing nothing but bitching about how everyone was wrong but him, but it changes nothing, I went with Hart on this one.

i tried to watch a bad fart match but i fell asleep. i tried watching a bad fart promo but it didnt wake me up.then i heard promo and saw a match by the great one and i came....so the rock wins

Isn't Gertner Canadian? I thought the Canucks were raised on Hart and Gretzky and Degrassi high?

the best there is,the best there was and the best there ever will be...
Bret "The Hitman" Hart

Lol Wheels and Snake were amazing.

How did you try to watch a promo while you were asleep?

I call bullshit on this entire story.

He's going to be dropped off at the border by mounties and exiled from the country any minute now.

This was a poll that I was dreading these are 2 of my fave 5 wrestlers of all time but in terms of being a complete package I have to say I did it... I did it for The Rock.

The rock but I never seem to vote for the popular choice here

The Rock is by far the more entertaining wrestler.

Tough choice but went with The Rock in the end.

Felt Bret was better in terms of in-ring skills while the Rock was better with the showmanship aspect.

Bret got over wearing pink in an age when it wasn't cool for guys to wear pink.

Bret Hart by a mile

Dunno about this one. The Rock clearly blows Bret out of the water in the charisma/mic department..... but there had been times when I was seriously so sick and tired, and bored with him.

Bret blows Rock away in terms of in ring ability.

You know what? Screw it. I have decided to vote for Bret.

For if I had the choice, RIGHT NOW, to go back and watch either a Rock or Bret Hart match.... I'd go with Bret.

They showed Rock vs Jericho Royal Rumble 2002 on WWE Vintage Collection last night for the Undisputed titles and the match was better and more exciting than anything Bret ever did.

Bret is about 10 levels below in every way.

Rock. Can't believe people took Jericho over Angle. Can't believe Austin is out.

CAN'T BELIEVE

This wasn't a tough choice even though I'd rather not vote against Bret.

People's champ because charisma.

Bret Hart.

The Rock is not even in Bret's league in terms of actual wrestling, and Bret could cut a good promo, I never bought into this whole "Bret Hart is boring" thing.

Go back and watch some Bret Hart promos, especially in 1997.

Yeah, I think Bret is way underrated on the mic, actually. The Rock still "blows him away" in that department, though.

Maybe if Rock hadn't looked so bad on the mic when he cut promos with John Cena leading up to their match, I would've given some thought to voting for him here.

But Cena owned him on a couple occassions and Rock looked bad at times, not to mention a bit confused and nervous.

Yes, now let's compare those promos to Bret's more recent promos.

Gertner is an American at heart. He would be an American in name too, but he doesn't own enough guns.

To be fair, you would too if you were facing off against a living cartoon character.

I'd say he'd had experience with Hogan, except by the time he got to him, Hogan was more an oversized Muppet.

Also, voted Bret Hart because Sascha is a bitch.

Bret it one of my faves, but even I have to admit Rock was better......

Tell us again how much Bret Hart sucks.

Guy had a stroke!

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That isn't an argument. Bret Hart was a shitty promo except when he was being a whiny cunt in 1997 (like he was in real life).

I'm voting 100 percent based on Sharpshooters

so The Rock

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Rock looks like he is taking a vigorous dump onto his opponent in those photos.

Right.

Whereas Bret Hart:

http://i.imgur.com/BGvKi.jpg

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Hell, even post-stroke, 50-something year old Bret does a better Sharpshooter than Rock:

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Hey, now.

I am nothing if not fair.

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Keeping this a classy affair.

LOL why does Rock think arching his back like that makes his Sharpshooter look good?

Geebus.

Squat even lower, and problem solved.

Also, it's fair game to criticize, because Rock never did the Sharpshooter until some time after Bret left WWE in '97, so he opened himself up to receive said criticism.

Also, not only does Rock's Sharpshooter suck.

So does Sting's.

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Well, he does.

Regardless, looks like Rock will win this poll.

Unfortunately.

You're dumb as fuck. John Cena is a shit stain on The Rock's mic ability. I understand that imagining things somehow eases over the fact that the WWE wasn't stupid enough to put Cena over a legend like Rock, but c'mon.

Hart leans back perhaps 3 degrees more than Rock, thereby bending the opponents' legs farther inward. However, I enjoyed Rock more -- not to mention the revenue to WWE. Hart could have remained in WWE and maybe approached Rock's cross-over success, but he had to choose WCW.

I think Rock never leaned back as far as Hart during the Sharpshooter because he didn't want the People's Ass to touch some Jabroni's candy ass.

Go watch some video of the exchanges between Rock and Cena, then we'll talk.

Using "you're dumb as fuck" when you disagree with someone.

What are you, 16?

I don't see what you being dumb has to do with my age, BITCH!

Yeah.

Chris Jericho beats Angle, but Bret Hart can't beat The Rock. The fuck is wrong with you people?

Because some of us aren't in awe of shitty plastic pink wrap-around sunglasses. Instead, we are in awe of the utter electricity of an individual who transcends pro wrestling and helped define multiple generations.

"Helped define multiple generations"?

Easy there. It's not Hulk Hogan you're talking about.

The Rock was a part of the transition from "New Generation" to "Attitude Era". He helped DEFINE the Attitude Era. He then helped WWE transition from Attitude to the Brand-Split era. Now, he has come back and is helping WWE transition into a new era where they attempt to become a multimedia empire. During his time in Hollywood, The Rock has been more successful than every other wrestler who tried to become a movie star combined and has used that success and star power to "come home" and help the WWE today. The Rock has had several big matches, memorable moments, and classic rivalries. He has proven time and time again that he can tweak and evolve his character and turn the crowd into play-doh to do with them whatever he wants. He is Hulk Hogan with better wrestling, better movies, and a better legacy as someone who has helped the business create new stars.

Bret Hart was a great technical wrestler (read: one of the greatest in-ring performers of all time) with average promo skills (for 98% of his career) who did impact the business in many ways, but not to the extent of The Rock. Pro wrestling is not just about great matches. The Rock was only in the WWF full-time for roughly 7 years. In that 7 year span, he went from green as goose shit to the hottest thing in wrestling and carrying the company when the biggest star of all time went out for a year with a bad neck. Do not underestimate and undervalue what The Rock did while Austin was gone from late 99 to late 2000.

Considering cutting promos made up less than half of either man's exposure and Rock's over-selling, ridiculous over-acting on things as simple as a punch (Reel back ridiculously far, give a weak looking punch, repeat, spit in hand, repeat.) and his overall lack of a moveset made him bland as hell and predictable to me for more than half the time he was on my TV. The most entertaining he was during matches was when he'd pick up a mic during the match.

And on a more minor note, Rock singing "We will Rock you" karaoke style on Raw during the Cena feud sticks in my mind as one of the most facepalm inducing moments on Raw in quite some time. And that's saying something. He's become lame and corny. All the charisma in the world doesn't make singing karaoke and saying things like "Kung pao bitch" clever or enthralling. He's become a parody of himself.

I love The Rock as much as the next guy, but Bret Hart had the ability to make his matches look, I dunno, more "realistic" I guess. Maybe that's not the right word, but when Bret Hart was in a match, it felt like a real fight to me. To me, Bret Hart was one of the best story tellers in the ring ever.

Thank you, #1-wwf-fan.

Finally some sense.

All Rock does now is come out and throw lame shit that hopefully will trend on Twitter.

Bottom line, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels are 1A and 1B (not necessarily in that order) in my all-time top 5.

Yeah, when you look back at Bret Hart's matches, they have a certain flavor you really enjoy. I guess it's the "realism" you talk about.

Hell, I'll watch Bret Hart vs Mr Perfect for the IC Title, Bret Hart vs Diesel at Survivor Series 1995, Bret Hart vs British Bulldog at In Your House 1995, the Ironman Match with HBK, Wrestlemania 13 against Austin...those matches have that "flavor" I talked about, that "realism".

They both gave Kevin Nash the best matches of his career.

There's something to be said for that.

All of this Bret Hart shit-talking isn't going to stoop me to the level of the haters, so I'm just going to say that Bret Hart is better than The Rock and leave it at that. This thread is almost making me angry, to be honest.

I'll vote Bret solely based on the fact that Gertner's a cunt, otherwise Rock would get my vote.

If pro wrestling was just about technical wrestling, I'd watch Greco-Roman wrestling tournaments instead. You can hold a couple of shitty promos against The Rock, but I could hold most of Bret's promos period against him. As a pure technical wrestler, Bret has almost no peers. Sadly, Bret was so average in every other aspect of pro wrestling that The Rock tops him for me. The Rock has had a bunch of kickass matches, awesome promos, amazing moments, etc. Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, Hulk Hogan, and Ric Flair were all over the top but it fucking worked. It got over and they connected with countless people to become the names you think of when you think of professional wrestling.

When you say "pro wrestling", Bret Hart isn't one of the first names that comes to my mind (he pops up pretty quick but not at the very first thought) but The Rock is. The Rock's overselling and over-the-top mannerisms never took me out of his matches or made me roll my eyes. Kung Pao Bitch was stupid, but it fucking worked. Fruity Pebbles was stupid, but the son of a bitch made it fucking hot. The Rock damn near did a double backflip when he took the Stunner, but it worked and didn't tarnish their matches but helped accentuate it. Realism is good and important, but over-the-top has its place and it can add to matches. Did Terry Funk screaming "OW, MY EYYYYYYYYYYYYE!" or "OW, MY LEGGGGGG!" ruin his matches? Did Shawn Michaels overselling ruin his matches or accentuate them and actually get you to understand the pain he was experiencing? For me, it added to the matches. It added to the drama, the story, and my attentiveness.

Then I guess you don't enjoy amateur wrestling ?

I've watched it occasionally, but it isn't something I will go out of my way to watch or anything.

Do you watch RAW to see that though? You watch wrestling for the matches but also all the stuff that goes into making you give a fuck about the characters, their conflicts, and the matches.

Bret and The Rock are two of my favourites of all time. So this thread is really annoying me, there's completely unnecessary and untrue criticism being flung in both directions.

and for the record, comparing the sharpshooters of both men is like comparing the picks of two great guitar players, as in it's a tiny and insignificant part of a much bigger picture.

I went with The Rock.

I love Bret and I don't really think people get him when they say his promo's were shitty or average, but each to their own I guess (I'd be interested to see if the majority of people saying that were from the USA, and if the majority of people who like them are British or Canadian. I have a completely amateur theory about cultural differences...). That being said; He wasn't amazing at them really, He's said that himself.

I also don't get it when people say The Rock was no good in the ring, I can't think of a bad match The Rock's been in and I can think of ALOT of really great ones he has. That and the fact he's probably the best promo guy ever means I have to vote for The Rock

Or giving birth to a bouncing baby roidhead.

Yeah, he should probably stop trying to market himself to the audiences of today. Maybe if he turned heel, dropped the gimmick for no reason, and started dropping PIPE BOMBS he would be revered for his mic skills by the 50 people in the gymnasium he'd be appearing in.

Do you ever say anything that doesn't make you come off as a complete dick?

To be fair, "Now trending on Twitter... Kung Pao Bitch." may be a fine way to get himself to trend on twitter... It's also lazy and not in the least bit clever.

There's a big difference between trending on twitter because you're actually saying something awesome and clever and coming out and saying "Silly word, naughty word... TREND! *cocky smile like I just fucking created comedy gold*"

Everyone should vote for Bret just based on that stupid "We will Rock you" shit Rock did on RAW a couple months back.

I felt awkward, and I was watching at home.

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The over-selling I mentioned was the lowest on the list. I actually do enjoy watching Rock take a stunner. It doesn't resonate with me as more than just one moment though. It doesn't help the rest of the action. It just kinda makes me chuckle at the silly over-sell. The over the top way he did stuff as simple as a punch took me out of the match itself a lot though. Not to mention the predictability. I remember watching countless Rock matches thinking "Let's just get this over with so we can see the outcome." I don't remember ever seeing a Bret match that I was more interested in hurrying up to the finish to see the outcome than in watching the story unfold.

As for "... but it worked." I don't judge wrestlers myself based on how many people go crazy over silly phrases, naughty words or a man singing bad karaoke in the ring. Just like I don't judge movies by how many people go to see them. Larry the Cable Guy is not a comedic genius... but dammit, it works. Kudos to him. I'm not about to consider him the greatest comedian of all time for it.

That was just a rant on current Rock though because it was being discussed. I'm factoring that in a very small amount.

Are you comparing shoot interviews found online to segments of televised wrestling? Bret bitching about Montreal was annoying as fuck. Not to mention he's not at all interesting to listen to. How is that comparable though??

He was in the WWF when it sucked and WCW was king then jumped ship and the roles reversed.

Hence the downfall of WCW=Bret Hart being a shitty draw and boring.

Well he wasn't really on WWE television enough to talk about it outside the feud with Vince which I don't remember him bitching about it then as he was more in hype mode.

I can't see comparing shit done outside the ring to shit done in the ring. If we can do that, I change my vote for the greatest promo man of all time from The Rock to The Iron Sheik.

I don't care if you can only understand one word per sentence, that one word is gold and it fucking works. People eat it up. He's literally the polar opposite of Bret when it comes to wrestlers speaking on the internet.

Bret Hart was a pioneer of internet usage.

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Also, Bret was on The Simpsons. Was The Rock on The Simpsons? I don't think so.

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Really? I'm 100% positive the reason Hogan, Flair, and HHH aren't in this anymore is because of stuff done outside the ring.

We know it happened, why bother ignoring it?

Because it has nothing at all to do with who the better wrestler is? I'm not saying people aren't voting that way. I'm actually not mentioning anything at all about how people have been voting. That was a weird thing to say. But since you mentioned it, that's a big reason why it shouldn't be factored in.

Besides, I'm not sure where that 100% positivity comes from. There's only 5 people left. That could also be the reason 3 guys you mentioned aren't in it still.

Did that anger you when that match-up didn't go the way you thought it should have, CSL? Let's talk about it.

HHH was "just anotha' victim".