The Official Wrestling Whinge Thread
 

Ok guys, use this thread to bitch about Cena/Rock all you like between now and Wrestlemania, cause it's gonna get old seeing it in every thread between now and then.

Just think of me as TPPW's own Dr. Shelbey, and thank me for giving you all a place to air your frustrations later :)

TPPW rocks!

would be nice if Gertner was banned

This does not include you though owenbrown. I don't want your fucking crying in here.

And there we go.

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This was a pretty good PPV start to finish. Pretty solid. Nothing to whine or bitch about. Del Rio/Big Show surprised the hell outta me. Much better than I thought it would be.

Cena wins the rumble and will most likely face The Rock at mania again. You haven't been a part of the IWC for too long have you.

Fantastic matches tonight top to bottom

We can't ban him Owenbrown. He's won a spammy. If you win a spammy it's harder to get banned. I've won a few myself how many have you won?

Great PPV, personally butthurt over no Ziggler win/cash, but who cares.

Cena/Rock II is way better than any Punk as champ alternative, so like, fuck you.

Please keep all owenbrown trolling to a minimum also. Only fair I guess since I'll probably delete any posts he makes attacking yourself and Gertner.

Wooooo we did it! No more falling asleep during Raw!

No way, anything less than Slater vs THE RYBACK unifying every title in the world in a 240 minute submission iron man match is just horrible.

Bobby Jaggers sucks

Well I haven't been on here long, but while I don't love Cena, I don't despise him. They've had him kinda off the spotlight for some time, so I have no problem with him going to WM to face Rock.

actually Zombie Bobby Jaggers would probably main event Wrestlemania better than Dwayne/Super Cena 2: Electric Boogaloo

Uncalled for!

Slater has a rematch clause from Monday night so you might be right!

Btw Slater lasted 20 minutes in the Rumble.

You missed my point.

I'm so happy that the Rock won that I could hug a Dolphin!

I understood your point. The IWC hates Cena so anything he accomplishes has to be torn down.

I got you.

Honestly though, I couldn't care less about people's own opinions on things, we're all entitled to our own (except James Diesel and mike adamle (and owenbrown)), but I don't think I can handle all the constant complaining that's going to happen over the next 10 or so weeks in every single thread.

Ill cancel it all out! Wooooo!

Your reply made it seem otherwise. As you were.

i wasn't a fan of the good 10 minutes of commercials, but from top to bottom this was a great show

also censoring the swearing? gtfo wwe censors

The matches were great, but the finishes to the two main matches were so obvious we over-thought it and talked ourselves into thinking it wasn't going to go that way.

I think this is pretty much spot on. Whether it was predictable or not, I think everyone knew how it was going to go. Doesn't take away from the fact that all the matches on the card were good.

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Shouldn't speak ill of the deceased.

You're Welcome

Yeah really. He was a great rassler and you talk crap about him. Have you no dignity Owenbrown? you want to start a race riot/war in New Jersey and now this? you're outta control. ANyway, Rock/Cena II will be good if it features a special guest referee like lets say CM PUNK

<font color=goldenrod>I was pissed off about Rock/Cena initially...not because they're bad performers or anything. Far from it. But I thought Rock/Cena last year was a disappointment, I'm not a fan of the same exact match closing out consecutive WrestleManias, and it's blatantly obvious Cena will be getting his win back.

But...the crowd will be shit hot for the match and will probably be a fun environment. I'll get to see an Undertaker streak match live, possibly against CM Punk. Jericho might now be in the fold. Team Hell No will do something fun. Cody/Goldust or some variant of that might happen. Orton could be a heel by then and way more interesting as a result. HHH/Lesnar, if it happens, has a chance at being much better if they actually get a chance to wrestle and not try to make it a shoot. And most importantly, I've got the luxury of going to WM without having to spend an exorbitant amount on travel, since I can drive there.

Just gonna sit back and enjoy the build up.</font>

This PPV was awful, the only sighting of Billy Gunn was in a bloody promo.

I didn't say RACE riot you stupid son of a bitch dickwad, I just said RIOT, like when the Lakers win an NBA championship, which was 50 years ago it seems.

Is that because only black people like basketball, Owen? Jesus, man. :roll: :nono:

It should be a triple threat for WM. Punk vs Rock vs Cena.

This is what I want, really.

If this means we get punk vs taker at mania then I'm glad for it. Also we all knew the rock and cena were going to win so that's not a big deal. Maybe we will get some swerves between now and mania that gives us cena and del rio

I just really want to thank you guys so much for continuing to be wrestling fans during these past 400 plus days. I know it was very rough at times, but FINALLY THE RATINGS HAVE COME BACK TO THE WWE!

Cena vs Rock III wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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The only downside was Bret Hart being on the PPV. Streams didn't die when he came onscreen, they got bored and left.

Bret Hart is by far the greatest rassler to ever come from America's largest national park.

I think it's all really great.

I'd be fine with it if it wasn't for CM Punk's streak. You just don't make a guy the longest reigning champ in 25 years to have the payoff being making a part-time guy look good. Well, actually... I guess you do. I wouldn't have though.

They should have the rock beat the undertaker at WM. wouldn't that be neat? End two super streaks. That would make the Rock the Best greatest rassler in the world.

He should do it with the People's Elbow too. Like it is the one move that can put Taker away... forget Pedigrees.... Superkicks.... it is all about the People's Elbow.

He should pin him with the People's Eyebrow

What is the EXACT number for the Rock's workrate you may be axing yourself. Well, it's been a while, but I just got off the phone with a team of rasslin researcher in the serious business wing at the International Academy of Rasslin Workrate and midget porn and they said that the Rock's workrate coefficient is precisely 77.87473463. Wow. Punk is merely a 63.4748482636210283737

That's very close to what I had

The Rock winning the title = logical and badass. Cena winning the rumble to have the same match as last year = boring. I get that Cena is the biggest WWE wrestler today, but we already saw that match last year - and if all we ever focus on is Cena being the top dog, no one else will move up there. I thought CM Punk and Rock was fresh, and the right guy won...the Rock is hands down the best. Rock vs. Brock would've even been better.

The only way to redeem this shit is for the Rock to cleanly pin Cena at WM. Next night, since he is leaving unfortunately, which means WWE will be shite again, the Rock should hand the WWE title to Vince, say thanks for everything, and let it be that...a title tourney or something.

Good Thing they didn't so Taker/HBK Taker/HHH 2 years in a row, would have been dull matches every second year.

Also, Rock just handing the belt back wouldn't redeem anything, it'd just shit on Punks reign.

I get your point - but the Rock isn't around as much as HBK was back then, HHH, or Taker...Rock may not come back for a hell of a long time. So mind as well insert some other marquee match ups while you can, not just make the Rock's rare returns 75% Cena. I'm not saying pick someone like Daniel Bryan that won't be nearly as huge of a draw, but Brock Lesnar would've banked, Ryback wouldn't probably have banked as much, but it wouldve been a fresh opponent. Or Ziggler even. e

It would piss off every IWC kid and every Cena fan, which is fine by me. I like Punk and all, but the Rock is miles above all the other wrestlers today. Lets be realistic here.

Taker wasn't around anymore the Rock has been.

If we're being realistic, you wouldn't have said Rock is miles above all the other wrestlers today.

I so get what you're trying to say though, I think.

And from WWE's current stock of everyday wrestlers, Cena is the marquee guy today. But I don't get the idea of him only being the marquee protected guy, even when Punk was champion, Cena was still the face of the show. They didn't even do that with Austin in the Attitude Era, he was the face of the show but Mankind and the Rock were given full opportunities to be the top dog as well. Not blaming Cena for any of this, I think he's a hard worker and quality guy, it comes down to WWE just focusing on one guy solely to be face with no one else being able to get near his level. Ryback is the first guy in a long time it seems like WWE is giving a chance to be on Cena's level.

Also, the IWC has no age limits.

I don't mind Rock vs Cena II. It will have an amazing electricity to it.

Plus I like that the whole rock/cena feud tells a story across years, rather than a few months like most feuds. It's a match that like Taker vs HBK, is special enough to be at mania twice in a row.

Was your rasslin' researcher Scott Steiner by any chance?

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How is that not realistic? Best wrestler today. Gets the crowd on his side more than anyone, whether he is heel or face. His charisma and skills in the ring and mic are unparalleled...minus Hogan. Work rate isn't what makes a wrestler the best, being a wrestler is being an entertainer, and the Rock has mastered that. Even transcended into Hollywood because of it, and is the only mainstream relevant guy today minus Hogan again, who is considered cool. Not Cena, not Daniel Bryan, not Punk, or anyone else for that matter.

I could go for Rock/Cena/Punk at 'Mania

From a charisma standpoint he is. No one in the WWE can capture a crowd like the Rock.

Cena has come close, ironically in his war of words with the rock. He'd walk into an arena with everyone booing him, but then he'd lay down a sick freestyle or cut an awesome promo, and the whole crowd was cheering him.

But he's inconsistent. He always goes back to the goofy, forced, shitty cena.

But really, Cena is the new Austin in the fact he's the face of the company, and Punk, Sheamus, Mark Henry and Big Show to name a few have been given opportunities around him.

I believe they should be working better on pushing new talent, don't get me wrong, but everything that's happening is being done from a business perspective. How many people here stream PPV's? It's not like the IWC would ever come close to providing the WWE with the money sponsors do, and until that day comes, and it never will, things will continue on the way they are, whether we like it or not.

That's being realistic.

+1. Exactly. Work rate doesn't mean anything, at the end of the day, wrestling is sports entertainment for a reason, it's not a true athletic sport based on who's skills are more superior...its entertainment. Who can capture a crowd and work well.

I didn't see charismatic standpoint stated anywhere in his comment. If they hadn't gone full in PG and Cena wasn't made to change his character to adjust, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.

You need to keep in mind that Rock has the advantage of being an attitude era guy. Not that I'm shitting on him, but wrestlers from that time always get put on a pedestal when compared with today's comment.

Cena is the new Austin, but like I said, in Austin's days people had the opportunity to be the top face too, and Mankind + Rock took it. Now its not the case. In my opinion, it's a combination of WWE's fault and some of the wrestlers. I can't stand Cena's character, but he does know how to work emotions and the crowd, whether we love to boo him and hope he loses, or we cheer him on to win....he's not to the level of the Rock, but he's the only wrestlers today who is active who can even come close to even trying on that level. WWE's fault I already mentioned in my last post about the whole protecting him on the marquee factor...but some of the fault does go on some of the new wrestlers today. I agree with what Triple H said last year to HBK on Raw, on how they're a dying breed. You don't see that much heart and passion in some of the wrestlers today as u did a decade ago for whatever reason. Cena's a hard worker and has that passion, which is why he's in the position he's in. You don't get that sense from some of the other wrestlers, its too systematic almost it feels like.

Anyhow, oh well, it is what it is, at the end of the day I don't really care...just mentioning my two cents. I'm happy the Rock is the champ again, and Cena/Rock isn't what I wanted to see, but it'll be a great match up nonetheless. Don't watch much wrestling anymore, not that entertaining, but from RR-WM is gets entertaining and with the influx of Lesnar and the Rock, it has me intrigued. So enjoying it for what it is.

There is no one in the WWE that is on as close to level of talent with cena, as mankind and the rock were to austin. At least not from a marketablility standpoint.

Punk cut's great promo's and is great in the ring, but as a character, he doesn't stand out very much. He doesn't have that over the top personality that it takes to really be in that echelon that the rock is in.

Orton just sounds awkward and forced, every time he talks. He can't play a face to save his life.

Ryback obviously can't talk for shit. That's probably a part of the reason he has this gimmick.

Sheamus is nothing special outside of his look and accent.

There's no one around Cena, because they just don't have anyone capable of being on his level.

You are right actually, I take back that argument...well part of what I said already agrees with you, but I take back the bit of WWE not putting anyone to Cena's level. That goes on the wrestlers today then.

Ryback has better mic skills than people say he does. He's not fantastic, but he holds his own on the mic.

Ryback doesn't have great mic skills, but his character is simple enough to get behind him. He's like Goldberg back in the day or the Warrior....not the best, but if he can get the crowd behind him on just 4 words and to come out and fight, why not, he's good enough. I don't find him as entertaining as Goldberg though, but I'm not going to hate necessarily. I've seen worse faces to get behind...like Sheamus. He's just too boring and plain.

He's not good enough to be a top guy. He hasn't shown me anything great in the ring either.

I like watching him annihilate part time taco bell employees too, but he can't hang with the big dogs imo.

I'd put my chips on Big E. Langston. Dude's just as jacked as ryback, and way more entertaining to boot.

Because it made a shitload of cash

dont like Cena v Rock - Once in A Lifetime, twice in a row.

cmpunks reign was too good to be beaten by the great one part timer with not even his proper finisher.

im gonna go back to stealing these ppvs rather than paying for them.

thats my yearly negative post

lol internet fans wouldn't be happy unless Rock was working house shows (that they don't buy tickets to) and being a way more expensive version of Barry Horowitz.

He wasn't exactly going to leave his cushty job making movies for millions to come back to a low brow form of entertainment only to be a big fucking loser. WWE were obviously gonna make him a decent offer career wise..

The WWE have spoiled us by keeping the belt off Cena for over a year, I guess this whole thing was inevitable.

I still don't like it though when guys like Cena win the rumble, it should be used to elevate first-timers or returning superstars. Cena can get a title shot whenever without it.

Hate that "part timers shouldnt be doing ______" slur

Taker is 20-0 at Mania and half of those have been while hes 'part time', why does he never get slagged off

Rasslin makes me very angry when they do things. How dare a company try and make $$$$ or ££££ for the Brits. It should be Punk vs Bryan in a submissions only double iron man match (120 mins)

No issue with Rock being champ.
No interest in Rock v Cena II.
Underwhelmed by the end of the Rock/Punk match. The match should have gone longer from the restart. Punk should have kicked out of the elbow and a Rock Bottom before being beaten with a second Rock Bottom, just to give him some sort of rub.As it is, Punk looked a little weak.

I'll pose this to people who are bitching about The Rock winning because new stars haven't been made.

With this thinking Ryback should have won at HIAC. Punk had pretty much done what he could with the belt, and Ryback winning could have set up The Rock vs Ryback at Royal Rumble which would have been a golden opportunity. Would you have been happy with that? Of course you wouldn't. You're just looking for reasons to bitch because your golden child lost his belt. Don't give me that bullshit.

Steele said it best, everyone is over thinking it. When Rock said he had the match way back in July, we knew the outcome.

I loved the match, Punk looked great and dominated the majority of the match. He looked stronger there than he has in a while.

This.


This too.

I could not agree with this more. I am all for "seeing where it goes" but it seems to be Cena/Rock II and I could not care less.

Thought the PPV and Rumble match itself were all great. Best Ive seen in years, but disappointed to see Cena win. By the end of the match I was rooting and thought Ryback was going to win as it would have done much more for him.

Dont mind seeing Rock as champ, his match vs Punk was the deciding factor in me ordering the PPV.

Also, I thought MIchael Cole was terrible. He mad alot of mistakes last night in calling the action. I havent been watching at all recently but I thought he was bad.

The announcing was really terrible last night. Wrong names, wrong moves, JBL and Cole stepping all over each other. Had no idea Lawler was even there.

He has looked weak for months now, not that it is a bad thing.

Punk was WWE Champion for 434 straight days. No way he comes off looking weak.

Ohhh. More mark talk about "Rock not being around enough so he shouldn't get the belt put on him." Cool.

Looking "weak" and winning like a "heel" aren't the same thing.

You can't explain this to marks. Longest run in the modern era. And was beaten by an all-time great in a match where he came off looking like a million bucks. How does he look weak?

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