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Curtis 05-12-2013 02:28 PM

Can a little guy be a heel in a big man/small man feud?
 
Now I decided its time to take a step back from cartoons and start a serious wrestling discussion.My question for you today is over here.Now we all know some great feuds have been a small little guy as a face against a huge guy who plays an evil heel. This is pretty much a standard formula. BUT. Can it be reversed? Can you see the little guy being the heel and being the one "with the advantage" and the big guy being the face?Now this brings me to a cool big man/little man match I saw on YouTube. Here it is,<iframe height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MJLu9_VOnTk" frameBorder="0" width="560" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>In this match, D-Man is the face and Bull Dozer is the heel in the classic formula where D-Man is the little guy who is brave and goes against the evil big man, Bull Dozer. But in reality, if you watch KBW, you would see that D-Man is a bit of a "dick" while Bull Dozer is kind of a regular guy. So in a way. I think that it would be better if KBW booked D-Man as the heel and Bull Dozer as the face. But then the little guy/big guy dynamic would be ruined.Whats your thoughts???????????????????

Anybody Thrilla 05-12-2013 02:32 PM

No chance I'm watching that video, but I don't think fat guys should be on trampolines.

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 02:46 PM

Lol I love how this goes from a serious rasslin discussion to a gem

#1-norm-fan 05-12-2013 03:19 PM

Last time I saw tits like that on a trampoline they were introduced by Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel.

Rammsteinmad 05-12-2013 03:34 PM

Thought this might have been a genuine discussion. Hope Curtis and all his family get cancer.

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 03:46 PM

This is what I view all indy promotion are

Rasslin' Fan 29 05-12-2013 03:50 PM

I dunno about the guys in your vid, but last year CM Punk played the great scrawny chicken shit heel while Ryback was way over as this beast of a babyface.

What Would Kevin Do? 05-12-2013 04:01 PM

Ignoring the bad attempt at promoting backyard trampoline bs, I actually like the topic.

I'd point out the Daniel Bryan vs. Big Show feud.

Also, the Jimmy Jacobs vs BJ Whitmer feud in ROH was seriously amazing, but they took it a a level bigger. Not only was Jimmy Jacobs technically the heel, and the smaller guy, but in the long term scope of the feud he was "right." He wasn't really the villain per se. He was the love struck kid being manipulated by a woman, and his best friend (Whitmer) got sick of it and turned on him.

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 04:06 PM

Dude Curtis, post an ERAG match, the greatest match in the history of artistic combat

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 04:18 PM

Who can forget the classic big man vs little man match between Clox and Clox's wife.

Anybody Thrilla 05-12-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? (Post 4201121)
Ignoring the bad attempt at promoting backyard trampoline bs, I actually like the topic.

I'd point out the Daniel Bryan vs. Big Show feud.

Also, the Jimmy Jacobs vs BJ Whitmer feud in ROH was seriously amazing, but they took it a a level bigger. Not only was Jimmy Jacobs technically the heel, and the smaller guy, but in the long term scope of the feud he was "right." He wasn't really the villain per se. He was the love struck kid being manipulated by a woman, and his best friend (Whitmer) got sick of it and turned on him.

Ohhh yeah, Daniel Bryan v. Big Show was hot shit.

"YOU'RE JUST A BASTARD! LOOK WHAT YOU DID TO POOR AJ!" :lol:

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gertner (Post 4201127)
Who can forget the classic big man vs little man match between Clox and Clox's wife.

Lol what the hell happened to him? Did he get eaten?

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 04:31 PM

Jericho was doing it during his feud with Goldberg in WCW.

Savio 05-12-2013 04:36 PM

Xpac vs Kane in late 1999

#1-norm-fan 05-12-2013 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasslin' Fan 29 (Post 4201119)
while Ryback was way over as this beast of a babyface.

Those were the days. Fucking WWE.

whiteyford 05-12-2013 04:55 PM

Wanna say Spike Dudley did something along those lines.

Anybody Thrilla 05-12-2013 05:09 PM

Crash Holly or something

Bad News Gertner 05-12-2013 05:17 PM

Heath Slater and RYBACK

SlickyTrickyDamon 05-12-2013 05:29 PM

This ain't shit to OCW.

owenbrown 05-12-2013 06:54 PM

another outstanding edition of the Inbred Wrestling Federation

owenbrown 05-12-2013 06:56 PM

am I the only one expecting the trampoline to collapse?

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis (Post 4201073)
Now I decided its time to take a step back from cartoons and start a serious wrestling discussion.My question for you today is over here.Now we all know some great feuds have been a small little guy as a face against a huge guy who plays an evil heel. This is pretty much a standard formula. BUT. Can it be reversed? Can you see the little guy being the heel and being the one "with the advantage" and the big guy being the face?Now this brings me to a cool big man/little man match I saw on YouTube. Here it is,<iframe height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MJLu9_VOnTk" frameBorder="0" width="560" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>In this match, D-Man is the face and Bull Dozer is the heel in the classic formula where D-Man is the little guy who is brave and goes against the evil big man, Bull Dozer. But in reality, if you watch KBW, you would see that D-Man is a bit of a "dick" while Bull Dozer is kind of a regular guy. So in a way. I think that it would be better if KBW booked D-Man as the heel and Bull Dozer as the face. But then the little guy/big guy dynamic would be ruined.Whats your thoughts???????????????????

I think The Grim Sweeper and Fluffy would beat those two.

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4201149)
This ain't shit to OCW.

RIP OCW, they haven't updated in a long time. They are in central Florida so it's safe to say a sinkhole ate them all.

owenbrown 05-12-2013 09:34 PM

This was just as bad as one of those stupid ERAG matches

Shisen Kopf 05-12-2013 09:44 PM

Dude, never speak ill of the ERAG match. It was ground breaking.

Skippord 05-13-2013 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4201105)
Last time I saw tits like that on a trampoline they were introduced by Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel.

Did you not watch the Doug Stanhope/Joe Rogan version?

Savio 05-13-2013 12:33 AM

did anyone?

Shisen Kopf 05-13-2013 12:35 AM

Bulldozer breaks 4th wall too much. Very unprofessional

Kane Knight 05-13-2013 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 4201438)
Bulldozer breaks 4th wall too much. Very unprofessional

I think you mean 'awesome and cutting edge.'

#1-norm-fan 05-13-2013 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4201427)
Did you not watch the Doug Stanhope/Joe Rogan version?

I did. I thought that might be too obscure of a reference though.

Destor 05-13-2013 09:18 AM

I think the match is one of the hardest to work, especially if you have a big guy who doesnt think he should bump...ever... >_>

Skippord 05-13-2013 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4201589)
I did. I thought that might be too obscure of a reference though.

Good call, probably.

DAMN iNATOR 05-13-2013 05:32 PM

Doesn't really fit the exact question posed in this thread, but I fucking loved when Spike Dudley turned über-heel and became The Boss. :D

JimmyMess 05-13-2013 06:06 PM

I read the title thinking of a real response and then just.... well fuck you dildo face.



But also..... X-Pac/Kane

Savio 05-13-2013 06:54 PM

Jinder/Khali

Mr. Nerfect 05-18-2013 12:42 AM

Jinder was interesting for about a minute when he was slapping Khali and such.

Tom Guycott 05-18-2013 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noid (Post 4205158)
Jinder was interesting for about a minute when he was slapping Khali and such.

Also when he was wearing suits and not wearing a turban.

It was a bit refreshing to have him as a non-stereotypical, ethnically cartoony heel and more as a disingenuous, spoiled rich boy with money/family connections to keep Khali's rickety knees in his pocket to play reluctant enforcer. Then they went overboard on the 180 because too many "rich kids" (ADR, Mahal, DiBiase) is just so damned confusing!

Mr. Nerfect 05-18-2013 01:23 AM

I didn't really like the explanation given as to why Jinder Mahal could control Khali so easily. I'd have liked it more if the WWE had maybe given them a back story where they trained together and Mahal had been the only guy to be able to take Khali down -- the only guy in India who could actually beat him -- his mentor's favourite student, that sort of thing. Giving Mahal a big Bollywood-style entrance instead of slow music could have allowed the guy to have come off as cocky and confident as opposed to being an "evil foreign heel," which I think is really losing its weight in today's day and age.

Shisen Kopf 10-16-2013 01:10 PM

Is Bulldozer still a heel or did he turn face?

Heyman 10-16-2013 02:02 PM

X-Pac vs. Kane was the perfect example of small man/big man - heel/face.

Razzamajazz 10-16-2013 07:57 PM

that cloth suitcase looks like it really hurts

Theo Dious 10-16-2013 10:52 PM

This seems to have occurred to nobody, but in any feud Andre ever had as a face, the small man was the heel.

Bad News Gertner 10-16-2013 10:59 PM

Kevin Sullivan and Dusty or Sullivan and Hogan

scatterbrain28 10-18-2013 11:30 AM

Kevin Steen vs any vanilla midget in ROH.

DAMN iNATOR 10-18-2013 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 4201143)
Wanna say Spike Dudley did something along those lines.

Yeah, that's just what I came in here to say, too. Somewhere around 2004-2005 SmackDown! Spike turned on his "BADASS" mode and made the Dudleys do everything he told them and dubbed himself "The Boss". Springsteen & Vince eat your hearts out!

Shisen Kopf 05-03-2014 09:05 AM

This is a top 10 post in the history of the TPWW. When I become KOTF this summer i'm gonna appoint Curtis as my Royal Jester.

road doggy dogg 05-03-2014 10:47 AM

Shisen with the RKO outta nowhere!

whiteyford 05-03-2014 12:35 PM

When you go retro for the nostalgia pop will it be DIAMOND CUTTER outta nowhere?

road doggy dogg 05-03-2014 12:45 PM

ACE CRUSHER outta nowhere!

Lock Jaw 05-03-2014 12:56 PM

I'm surprised that Noid didn't make a Noid post about THE Brian Kendrick

Lock Jaw 05-03-2014 12:58 PM

I think if I was a rassler, I'd literally name my finish "OUTTA NOWHERE!!"

WinterDecay 05-03-2014 01:08 PM

Wasnt Kevin Nash a face when he was in a program with The Filthy Animals in WCW.... and that worked so well the company ...

In answer to the question ... Yes he can be the heel ... but no one will give a sh*t.

Shadrick 05-03-2014 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4201105)
Last time I saw tits like that on a trampoline they were introduced by Adam Carolla and Jimmy Kimmel.

underrated post

Curd 05-04-2014 07:21 PM

Yes. I heard Natty Neidhard heeled it up while captaining her Special Olympics kids against Big Show's team. "C'mon and beat Big Slob for me!"
http://www.tpww.net/2014/05/wwe-star...earlier-today/

Yeah, Big Show did the Big Job to get over Total Divas. Or if that was a shoot event, then Big Show wasn't ready to coach or just got the worst Special Olympics kids on his team out of the bunch.

Cool King 05-04-2014 08:25 PM

The most recent example of the smaller guy being the Heel and the bigger guy being the Face that I can think of, is Daniel Bryan and Big Show back in 2012.

SlickyTrickyDamon 05-04-2014 08:27 PM

ACID DROP OUT OF NOWHERE!

LSD was a pretty good heel when he was the Cruiserweight champion of the world. He could have pulled it off if he was in a feud with the gimmick.

He just bullied The Dudley Boyz in the gimmick though.

Mooияakeя™ 05-05-2014 10:31 AM

If the small guy has cred, i.e. has emotional grip over bigger guy, is a class tech wrestler (so posses the actual in ring skill that would be believable to outwit power etc), or has the backing of some evil shits (gang backing).

Then yeah.

voncouch 05-05-2014 03:47 PM

http://www.memegene.net/media/created/uxxika.jpg

Anybody Thrilla 05-05-2014 03:48 PM

Did anyone say anything about the Cody Rhodes/Big Show Wrestlemania program?

Shisen Kopf 04-27-2016 11:53 PM

Have these guys signed with CHW yet? This is one of the greatest threads ever here at the tpww

Shisen Kopf 05-06-2018 09:36 PM

Alex Bliss vs that turkey gobbling bully Nia Jax

Destor 05-06-2018 11:26 PM

Not if you want money

Bad News Gertner 05-06-2018 11:48 PM

Kevin Sullivan and Hulk Hogan

Swiss Ultimate 05-07-2018 01:39 PM

Shane and Everybody

Destor 05-07-2018 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 5119034)
Kevin Sullivan and Hulk Hogan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destor (Post 5118955)
Not if you want money


Evil Vito 05-07-2018 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 4201109)
Thought this might have been a genuine discussion. Hope Curtis and all his family get cancer.

LOL

Mr. Nerfect 05-07-2018 04:14 PM

I would really love to see Babyface Roman Reigns vs. Heel Sami Zayn. Zayn is so good at playing the jerk, I bet he can get the fans behind Roman. And imagine how good Zayn will look getting that chinlock in on a man the size of Reigns.


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