Hey guys, who you like better, Goldberg or Ryback?
 

Let's do this. Who's your favorite muscle headed bald war machine?

Neither guy is particularly thrilling on the mic. And outside of squashing nobodies like Drew McIntyre and Kenny Khaos, their matches aren't particularly entertaining.

So for me, it comes down to their intensity. It's really what got them over in the first place. But where as Ryback has a very methodical and paced intensity, Goldberg has a more explosive form of intensity that appeals to me quite a bit.

That said, Ryback has become a far more interesting character since he turned heel and learned more than three words of the english language.

Poll to cum, I guess.

And if this thread has been made already, please accept my humble fuck you, I don't give a fucks.

Also, vote for me in King of the Forum or I'll eat your children.

Goldberg, but probably because I was a child when he was popular.

doubt I would like him now that I am a snarky internet dickhead

Hey Fignuts, thanks for the question. The answer will be Goldberg.

I would like to see you try to eat my children as I will be waiting at the vag with a plate and knife and fork for some delicious placenta and fetus while it is aborted.

I think that one got away from you a bit.

I've never seen Ryback get a reaction like Gokdberg used to. He was on fire and there's nothing WWE or Ryback can do to ever get him to that level. Plus, I was one of the few that really enjoyed Goldberg's WWE run

Goldberg, hands down

Goldberg. And I don't know why people thought WWE handled him wrong, I think he only lost 2 matches in his WWE career

Loved Goldberg. I think Fignuts said it best in the opening post with the word "explosive" being the key difference between the two. I like Ryback, and it seemed as though they were trying to replicate Goldberg's spear with the clothesline but it looks too robotic and stiff. Goldberg had huge amounts of charisma despite and the "Who's next?" thing worked perfectly for him. Again WWE seemed to be trying to copy that with the "Feed Me More" thing which has worked out pretty well for Ryback in fairness and the phrase has got somewhat over in a short period.

They should've gone all out with Ryback and had him "no sell" stuff like Goldberg would from time to time. I used to eat that up when I was younger whenever he, Hogan, Sting, Kane, Taker etc would get straight back up from a move and just absorb punches because you knew they were about to destroy someone. I don't think that's seen as much now, but I'm sure kids would've loved that kind of thing if they had Ryback utilise it.

On the whole I preferred Goldberg. Ryback's still got time on his side though.

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Watched his rise to power on Nitro and Thunder. Was a huge Goldberg fan back in the day, used to spear everything in sight.

Nah Ryback is "done-zo"

Yeah same. Back when I was in school and we "played wrestling" [Don't Try This At Home] I killed people with a spear before hitting them with a reverse DDT. Was quite sure I'd broken some kids neck one time when I tried to evolve my finisher into a twist of fate.

They should have straight out ripped off that moment where Mene Gene tried to interview Goldberg and he just looked at him like he was a piece of shit and walked off.

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Hard to say. I loved Goldberg back in the day, but then, I was a kid during the 90's so I still thought it was real. Looking at it now though, Goldberg's era had all the excitement etc, but I think in the ring technically Ryback is better, and on the mic too. But Goldberg overall, since most of my childhood and early teens were spent marking out for Goldberg beating the shit out of people.

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And that's in a time where NO ONE ever gets reactions like guys did back in the late 90's.

If Goldberg had to deal with WWE's booking, he would have flopped pretty hard.

You're really gonna compare that reaction to this one...?

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Jesus that Jackhammer on The Giant is still crazy to see. Also that no selling right there as well, give Ryback that and kids will go crazy for him every time it happens.

Or give it to someone better than Ryback, like Mason Ryan, or a giant rock

I was a huge Goldberg fan growing up. So, Goldberg.

The one he did to Reese was pretty impressive too

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You're really gonna compare the reaction for a guy simply arriving and getting his hands on the champion in a random arena in Sacramento to a guy winning the world title in front of three times as many people in a football stadium in his hometown?

Ryback. You can't compare reactions because the crowds were 100% hotter back then.

That too.

But by today's standards, that Ryback reaction was out of this fucking world.

Goldberg easily. Epic intro. Epic spear. Epic finisher.

Ryback does the heel thing better I guess.

Ryback is a much better wrestler than Goldberg ever was.

Not really an important metric to me, tbh.

Oh, Sorry. My comment wasn't in response to you. It was just a general statement.

Okay.

Did you edit the move set?

I said I've never seen Ryback get a reaction like the ones Goldberg used to get, so then why did you reply with a video of Ryback getting a good reaction by today's standards?

I'm saying that WAS a reaction like Goldberg used to get. By any standards, that was a pretty fucking raucous reaction. The one you chose to compare it to was Goldberg winning the title in a football stadium in his hometown.

I disagree. It was a huge pop, but nothing like what Goldberg used to get, and not just when he won the world title. Check out those other videos I posted. Goldberg was getting these reactions day in and day out, not just at a random Raw taping.

My point is that even at his peak, Ryback is not as over as Goldberg used to be.

I dunno, I don't really see much of a difference, to be honest. A few slams, gorilla presses and a few suplexes.

I was just saying that was a bad comparison even with the "different era" in mind. It's like if I posted that no one gets pops like Santino and then proceeded to use Elimination Chamber 2012 as an example. A little misleading. lol

And the different era thing does come into play though if you're discussing who's better. If you're using "I never saw _____ get the kind of reactions Goldberg got." then realistically you have to say Goldberg is miles better than anyone in the company today.

The guy was booked to be a monster. Ryback has been booked like shit. When he was booked as being possibly unstoppable though, he showed the potential to get pops that were unthinkable for his era.

My point in saying that I've never seen Ryback get a reaction like Goldberg did wasn't as much to say that Goldberg was inherently better than Ryback, but that Goldberg was more over and as a result, more successful. Granted, this is mostly due to WWE's handling of his character, but my point stands.

and yes, by the "crowd reaction" standard, Goldberg is better than about 90% of American professional wrestlers today, not just WWE.

Ryback does a lot of the little things right that Goldberg never did.

Ryback is no where near his peak.

The reactions Ryback got in that CM Punk feud had more to do with the the fans wanting to see Punk get his ass kicked, imo. When it comes to getting under the fans' skin, Punk is on Piper's level.

Like when he was making a mockery of Paul Bearer and beating The Undertaker with his earn while the crowd chanted his name?

And let's not pretend just anyone could have come out and taken down Punk and the crowd would have gone nuts like that just because it was Punk.

Never said that. I just don't think he could have gotten that reaction without Punk's help.

Well, yeah. Punk was the heel champion at that point and Ryback was the perfect guy for the crowd to ride to the top.

Just like Goldberg's reactions were partially thanks to Hogan and the NWO. More so even.

Like I said, no one else would have been getting that kind of reaction at the time other than Ryback. As soon as he started that Punk feud, he was perceived as the next big thing fans had been waiting for for years and years until WWE dropped the ball.

there were quite a few CM Punk chants throughout that whole feud with Ryback

There probably were. Punk always has people cheering him. So?

so it doesn't make sense to point out the CM Punk chants when he was doing his thing with the Undertaker

It does within the context of what I was replying to. You can't give Punk so much credit for Ryback's pop because he's so good at making everyone wanna see him get destroyed and then ignore the fact that that NEVER happens in any of his other feuds and in the one where he was a bigger dick that he's ever been, he's even getting cheered by half the crowd.

Hell, I'm pretty sure half the crowd that night probably cheered Punk when he came to the ring. You can't then try to tell me when those same people erupted at Ryback getting his hands on him it was because they just wanted to see Punk get destroyed because he got under their skin. It doesn't make sense.

Goldberg was as hot as Austin during his peak. Love Ryback, but Goldberg was the shit.

Austin wouldn't have blown up if it weren't for McMahon. Your point makes no sense.


Every top face needs a top heel and every top heel needs a top face.

The Oddities got bigger reactions than 99% of the wrestlers today.


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This is still amazing how over they were.

Aah, I miss raucous crowds.

I'd probably change the "99%" to "100%" though.

Still not bigger than Heath Slater and 3MB, hence 99%

That's more because people think they're gonna get free Wendy's cheeseburgers as a promotion whenever he comes out.

You son of a bitch! Take that back!

I like them both, but something about Goldberg has me leaning his way. I think they both have the charisma, the crowd pleasing power moves and of course the look. Maybe it is the crazy fan reactions that have me leaning that way but I stick to it.

I really want WWE to start referring to Khali, Hornswoggle, and Natalya as the new Oddities, with theme. Hell, throw Tatsu in there and let's have some fun.

Winning idea :y:

Yeah. Because WWE is ridiculously clueless when it comes to booking a character.

Are you kidding me??? The place was going nuts! lol What more do you want? The place was shaking for fuck's sake.

I'm not arguing that Goldberg got bigger pops. But the fact that Ryback has shown that he is capable of getting a pop like that in his first brush with the main event... during an era that is like night and day compared to Goldberg's era as far as crowd reactions says something. And the "WWE booking" stuff is never nonsense. They can't push anyone long-term. If you think they haven't booked Ryback like a room full of retarded monkeys with typewriters, you're crazy. There's no reason they wouldn't do the same with Goldberg if he were just starting out.

I like the one who gets "Goldberg" chants whose name is Goldberg

Well that's just a really silly thing to say. It definitely had everything to do with the company that's built the majority of the greatest stars in pro wrestling history (as well as any over or entertaining character they currently have under contract) and nothing to do with the guy getting the biggest monster push in some time running entirely out of momentum because as a babyface he's pretty much a one-trick pony and that one trick wasn't enough to propel him all the way to the top of the card/simply doesn't have the tools to be a top babyface atm. If Ryback was going to make some real money long-term at that point in time, they wouldn't have hesitated to run all the way with him.

maybe it's the sound or the quality of the video etc but it's "decent babyface reaction #3", it's hardly Rock or Brock returning, anything from post-Mania RAW and so forth. And the difference in the last paragraph says it all. Outside of the Sting angle, WCW couldn't book long term for shit. This is the same company that freely admitted to live Nitro's still being written or segments with no actual plan being scheduled as the show went on air. Goldberg would have gotten over at any time in any company in any era because he's a "one-in-a-million" type of guy, he has "it", that thing you can't quite put your finger on that makes wrestling fans go fucking apeshit, the thing that separates a Steve Austin from a Chris Jericho. WWE had to pound Ryback into people's heads to gain a modicum of the same reaction. Outside of the bald heads and the streak/monster gimmicks, the two are night and day.

not to mention once again that that "first brush" with the main event was set up entirely for him to gain that reaction

any guy with a great look, that push and half a clue would have gotten the exact same reaction

Are you really comparing the WWE's current booking ability to the same booking that created Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin? Same guys with the same ability? Come on. Apparently I should have clarified that WWE CURRENTLY has no clue how to make stars.

I don't know. The video seems fine on my end. And I think everyone else at least acknowledges that it was a pretty monster pop as opposed to a "decent babyface reaction". Some just credit Punk instead. Again, it's not Punk in Chicago the night of MITB 2012 or Goldberg in the Georgia Dome when he won the world title. It's Ryback in fucking Sacramento clotheslining a guy who gets clotheslined often. lol And the pop was insane.

And as for the last part... well that's just your perception. Goldberg got over so it's easy to see him as a guy who would have gotten over regardless. The fact of the matter is, wrestling was white hot with Austin and the NWO at their peaks when he got over. He went on a ridiculous unstoppable winning streak straight to dethroning quite possibly the biggest heel in wrestling history.

Ryback was getting hot... and 9 months later he's still still looking for his first major win and they're still trying to book him as unstoppable like a bunch of retards.

They could not have been booked more differently.

When it comes to actual talent though, Ryback wins in every category.

No. This is why I added the "as well as any over or entertaining character they currently have under contract" part.

But as I said, in that situation, any guy with a good look, the push he was receiving and half a clue would have gotten the exact same reaction, if not bigger.

You're gonna have to name some names here. I mean... some guys get themselves over. Most guys do need some help from booking. Hell, I would say I'm the biggest Johnny Curtis fan there is and the awful booking has somehow made Fandango bland already.

Well, then again you're still just hearing a "decent babyface reaction"...

I think The Wyatt Family will be a good example of how WWE's current booking can fuck something up no matter how destined for greatness it is. Just... Just wait...

I think you're capable of realizing who is over or who is "popular" that works for WWE right now. Off the top of my head, the only guy that pretty much went out and got himself over arguably is Punker.

that makes no difference whatsoever. I could be hearing a monster reaction and I'd be saying the exact same thing. If he was getting these pops week in and week out, I could understand your point.

and you mean that thing that was born entirely from creative/the writing team?

Sure. The company is capable of coming up with some good gimmicks that work for guys. Like Fandango. Kudos to them. When it comes to booking, they almost instantly drain any life from it though.

Daniel Bryan is popular at the moment. They're using him correctly. Cena, obviously. For the most part, the roster is just a big cluster of mid-card to upper mid-card guys getting roughly the same reactions.

The answer is Goldberg

The reason is booking. WWE had it, ryback's catchphrase was over, people were chanting it, and the fans were getting behind him. If you compare the first 20-30 matches of each you'll hear the crowd and everyone be bought into both. Then WWE lost Cena and they forced Ryback into a spot he wasn't ready for. The first loss didn't hurt him, the second loss didn't kill him, the third, the fourth, and the fifth finished him off and the only way to salvage it was to turn him heel and give him a catchphrase?!? Say what you will about WCW but they took their time with Goldberg. Let him shine as a completely separate entity from the title, until they were ready to commit to him and a LONG title run.

The pop/feud with punk was exactly what WWE needed to actually create a star with short-term booking and they blew it. And how did they evidence to help rebuild (yes rebuild a 5 month old character) ...... Mark Henry. Punk and Cena to Mark Fucking Henry....and then...... HE LOST!!

They had the lightning, the had the bottle, and they were going into Mania season.....and they couldn't put it together. In fact, they used an entire mania to tell us none of the new wrestlers aren't worth our time. None benefited from The Rock (let that sink in), HHH continued to beg us all to put him on the level with rock and Austin 15 years later, and the newest hottest star in a long time was sat on, literally, by mark Henry.

If need to more proof fandango is it! His music caught fire, and was a national phenomenon and did they embrace it?!? No!! They said "you guys like fandangoing? Well we don't. Johnny go bore people till they stop singing"

I was at a WCW house show in philly as a kid and Goldberg gave the giant a jackhammer and it was beautiful. afterwards he got up on the turnbuckle and looked into my soul. I probably peed a little

Where is the Ultimate Warrior option?

I agree with that other stuff you said, but I don't think this is exactly what happened with Fandango. They embraced it, but they made it lame. They wanted to capitalize, but it seemed pretty clear that they had no idea why people were into it. When their force fed segments fell flat, they backed off a bit, still seeming pretty confused by the whole thing.

I'll make this point: Ryback actually paid his dues and doesn't seem to have an issue with working with anyone.

Goldberg "Doesn't Do Comedy."

Can we at least agree that Ultimate Warrior is the sexiest, though?

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