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slik 07-20-2013 07:09 PM

Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016)
 
Announced for the summer of 2015 at ComicCon, will be the official sequel to 'Man of Steel'.


http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18uh.../ku-xlarge.jpg

http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/offi...eature-batman/

Corporate CockSnogger 07-20-2013 07:11 PM

Oh. This could very well end up being the first piece of Superman media I've ever seen. Damn you Hollywood.

Kane Knight 07-20-2013 07:36 PM

Emo Superman Returns

Kalyx triaD 07-20-2013 07:39 PM

JKDFNJE KGV QEK'RM K'OWNM'IOF x2

Lock Jaw 07-20-2013 07:43 PM

Hopefully it is better than Man of Steel.

Frank Drebin 07-20-2013 07:43 PM

Pfftt, only me and Kalyx know which issue JKDFNJE KGV QEK'RM K'OWNM'IOF x2 appeared in. All other opinions are worthless and will not be considered.

Kalyx triaD 07-20-2013 08:03 PM

Agreed.

Lock Jaw 07-20-2013 08:40 PM

I was kind of hoping for another solo Superman movie, though. I mean, I am not disappointed by this news or anything.... but yeah.... I had hopes that the Man of Steel sequel could be a great Superman movie now that they have "set the scene".

Lock Jaw 07-20-2013 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Drebin (Post 4251640)
Pfftt, only me and Kalyx know which issue JKDFNJE KGV QEK'RM K'OWNM'IOF x2 appeared in. All other opinions are worthless and will not be considered.

Is he related to Mr. Mxyzptlk?

VSG 07-20-2013 09:04 PM

OH MY!

XCaliber 07-20-2013 09:13 PM

Not sure I like the idea of this being a direct sequel but regardless it will be interesting to see who is cast as The Batman and btw I prefer the following logo even though it was intended to be Routh's Supeman.

http://www.cinemaspy.com/img/user/ba...perman_250.jpg

Emperor Smeat 07-20-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4251679)
I was kind of hoping for another solo Superman movie, though. I mean, I am not disappointed by this news or anything.... but yeah.... I had hopes that the Man of Steel sequel could be a great Superman movie now that they have "set the scene".

Might still be possible for the next film to arrive before Batman/Superman since Warner Bros original or current plans were to speed up the filming process for the Superman reboot set and not follow the slower process from the Dark Knight set.

Lock Jaw 07-20-2013 10:07 PM

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Skippord 07-20-2013 10:08 PM

Jack Huston 4 Batman

DaveWadding 07-20-2013 10:37 PM

Will wait and see about this. Superman sucks and I loved Christian Bale's Batman in the most homosexual way possible.

Nowhere Man 07-20-2013 11:32 PM

This has the potential to be incredible. I mean, the way that Man of Steel ended--what with the catastrophic fight and half the city being destroyed--does kind of open an opportunity for a smarter, more strategically minded hero to try and smack some sense into him, as sort of a "come on, you know better" sort of way. Considering all of the critics kept bitching and moaning about how Man of Steel was too destructive and that Superman was reckless and violent, this could be an effective way to to an in-character retcon, basically forcing Superman to fight with his smarts as well as his power and get better at the whole "being the world's most powerful superhero" thing. And then presumably the two of them would team up to take on, say, Brainiac or a properly-done Lex Luthor (or preferably both).

Kalyx triaD 07-20-2013 11:43 PM

I'm annoyed at the whole destruction thing since a) that kind of destruction happened in a great many Superman comics, b) he's just barely 'Superman' at that point and his Pro-Life Code and classic battle strategy of a seasoned hero can't be expected of a guy's first day on the job.

Nowhere Man 07-20-2013 11:49 PM

I agree--and two other points on that: first off, the vast majority of the destruction that everyone's been whining about was from the World Engine, not from the fight itself--and secondly, after going back and watching it again, most (not all, but far and away the majority) of the building-smashing and whatnot was Zod, with Superman on the receiving end of the damage.

Unfortunately, common perception tends to have more weight than what actually happens in the movie, so the general consensus was that Superman just clumsily smashes buildings and kills everyone without a care in the world.

Kalyx triaD 07-21-2013 12:01 AM

Another thing that grinds my gears about the destruction argument is how in the event Superman and the General would have failed it would be complete and utter destruction and more than likely genocide from a deranged and pissed off alien.

So they can keep showing those cute infographs about how much the battle cost and how many people died, since I'm sure Krypton would love to suffer those stats.

Kane Knight 07-21-2013 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man (Post 4251773)
This has the potential to be incredible. I mean, the way that Man of Steel ended--what with the catastrophic fight and half the city being destroyed--does kind of open an opportunity for a smarter, more strategically minded hero to try and smack some sense into him, as sort of a "come on, you know better" sort of way. Considering all of the critics kept bitching and moaning about how Man of Steel was too destructive and that Superman was reckless and violent, this could be an effective way to to an in-character retcon, basically forcing Superman to fight with his smarts as well as his power and get better at the whole "being the world's most powerful superhero" thing. And then presumably the two of them would team up to take on, say, Brainiac or a properly-done Lex Luthor (or preferably both).

I like the Batmentor thing. Plus, he's Batman, so he can probably educate Clark on what it means to be a Kryptonian and how to best use his powers.

alvarado52 07-21-2013 02:16 AM

So, how close do you think they get to Dark Knight Returns territory?

Nowhere Man 07-21-2013 02:28 AM

I figure they'll say a line or two from it when Batman inevitably beats Superman since A) he's the fan favorite and B) generally speaking it's more satisfying to see the clever underdog beat the super-powerful demigod. My guess, though, is that the Superman/Batman fight won't be the finale--it'll probably be the end of the second act, after which they'll team up to fight the bigger villain in the end.

Blitz 07-21-2013 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 4251626)
Emo Superman Returns

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4251639)
Hopefully it is better than Man of Steel.

Terrible posts.

Ready for this.

dronepool 07-21-2013 07:34 AM

Man of Steel was the best Superman movie so I hope this comes out good and not cheesy or rushed.

parkmania 07-21-2013 08:26 AM

Gotta say, I'd love to see a Crisis-type event with Dean Cain and Tom Welling playing other realities' Supermen, and any number of the movie Batmen reprising their roles also.

Lock Jaw 07-21-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parkmania (Post 4252116)
Gotta say, I'd love to see a Crisis-type event with Dean Cain and Tom Welling playing other realities' Supermen, and any number of the movie Batmen reprising their roles also.

That would be pretty f'n amazing, but would never happen.

Kalyx triaD 07-21-2013 02:47 PM

I'd die of a heart attack. A similar 'never happening' event would be the MCU getting Fox's X-men cast and Sony's new Spidey. Also live-action Marvel vs DC with all the current actors, from Mark Ruffulo to Steven Amell.

Nowhere Man 07-21-2013 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kane Knight (Post 4251836)
I like the Batmentor thing. Plus, he's Batman, so he can probably educate Clark on what it means to be a Kryptonian and how to best use his powers.

I don't necessarily think Batman would be in a 'mentor' role, so much as a rival that would force Clark to step up his game via competition. Any education Bruce would give Superman would be the hard way.

Kane Knight 07-21-2013 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 4251969)
Terrible posts.


Emo Blitz.

Kane Knight 07-21-2013 08:00 PM

Though thinking about that, it sounds rather redundant.

Blitz 07-21-2013 11:09 PM

Calling one of your posts terrible isn't emo. It's a rather joyous thing, really.

Fignuts 07-22-2013 04:39 AM

lol blitz is pretty far from emo last I checked.

Kane Knight 07-22-2013 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 4252573)
Calling one of your posts terrible isn't emo. It's a rather joyous thing, really.

Cheer up, kitten.

mitchables 07-22-2013 06:16 AM

he's not even a little bit sad, what is wrong with you

Kane Knight 07-22-2013 07:16 AM

That is for a panel of qualified therapists to decide.

Damian Rey 07-22-2013 07:31 PM

Not excited for this, at all. A sequel two years later is a little quick, and it's really quick to be rebooting Batman, which just came out a year ago. Add to that I didn't care much at all for the Man of Steel effort, and I'm feeling really underwhelmed about this.

Kalyx triaD 07-22-2013 07:36 PM

You should probably avoid it then, because they're totally doing it.

Damian Rey 07-22-2013 08:08 PM

Lol, I'll keep an open, of course. Just feel like Supes deserves a real sequel, not a team up, and a new Batman deserves his own film to build him and his new world up before they rush him into an obvious cash move.

mitchables 07-22-2013 08:18 PM

the problem dc faces with this whole "wider universe" thing is that they're well, well behind where marvel is presently, so if they wait any longer, they're going to well and truly miss the wave of interest that they need to buoy such a venture, but rushing it is an equally treacherous position. arguably they're already trailing so far behind that they may as well wait 10-15 years before trying it at all.

and as much as i love batman and superman, i'm so tired of those two being the only people they ever really make films about. they have a world of great characters and they just don't put the faith in their back-up players (or even the female member of the trinity) that marvel did, much to their detriment.


they're just like "oh, green lantern didn't do so well, so screw wonder woman/the flash/martian manhunter/aquaman/hawkgirl/anyone else that isn't batman or superman", and it seems like a huge misstep and a waste.

Damian Rey 07-22-2013 08:56 PM

It is huge. From what I'm told from a friend at work who is a much bigger comic aficionado than I, Iron Man wasn't particularly popular the way he is now before the first film came out. Marvel took a chance on the film and it paid off, largely because they invested in the character and everything else came second. WB seems to miss that point, outside of Batman, which I think they got extremely lucky with, since they have yet to replicate any semblance of the success that the DK trilogy had.

Which sucks, because their animated films show that Green Lantern can be ood and fun, and Flash and WW are filled with potential.

mitchables 07-22-2013 09:04 PM

exactly. the animated wonder woman film is fantastic. if they could replicate that even a little bit in a live-action setting, they would have a hell of a property on their hands. but they're so caught up in making their live-action world "gritty" and "realistic" that we'd never see it. but so many of their characters are otherworldly and powered in ways that just don't fit inside a "realistic" universe. marvel, meanwhile, have themselves a norse god and just went to town with it. i know a lot of people don't really rate the thor movie, but i actually think, as far as capturing a "comic book" feel without being overly schmucky about it, they did pretty damn well. and then he fit in really well with the rest of the avengers.

aquaman, especially since the launch of the new 52, is rife with potential for a truly kick-ass movie. the flash could be amazing, getting into the speed force and the black racer and even zoom. i dunno, they just seem to be missing the point of everything that could be great about their characters.

Swiss Ultimate 07-22-2013 09:24 PM

Should have been a Green Lantern/Superman team-up. That Green Lantern film was fantastic.

:nono:

Kalyx triaD 07-22-2013 10:07 PM

lol

Lock Jaw 07-22-2013 11:36 PM

A Green Lantern/Superman film could have actually worked aces. Superman "exiles" himself into space for killing General Zod, like he did in the comic books. There he encounters Warworld/Mongul and then since it is in space, Green Lantern shows up and they team up to take it on.

Kane Knight 07-22-2013 11:58 PM

Honestly, this gets both the Superman sequel and the obligatory introduction of a new Batman out of the way in one piece rather than two, possibly expanding exposure and maybe even introducing other characters and possibly even promoting a further expanded universe. I don't see it as a problem and I certainly don't see the combination as being done instead of whatever other fanwank people want to see before a JLA movie.

I mean, unless you actually dislike the franchises. Then fuck that shit.

slik 07-23-2013 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mitchables (Post 4253539)
exactly. the animated wonder woman film is fantastic. if they could replicate that even a little bit in a live-action setting, they would have a hell of a property on their hands. but they're so caught up in making their live-action world "gritty" and "realistic" that we'd never see it. but so many of their characters are otherworldly and powered in ways that just don't fit inside a "realistic" universe. marvel, meanwhile, have themselves a norse god and just went to town with it. i know a lot of people don't really rate the thor movie, but i actually think, as far as capturing a "comic book" feel without being overly schmucky about it, they did pretty damn well. and then he fit in really well with the rest of the avengers.

aquaman, especially since the launch of the new 52, is rife with potential for a truly kick-ass movie. the flash could be amazing, getting into the speed force and the black racer and even zoom. i dunno, they just seem to be missing the point of everything that could be great about their characters.



The Wonder Woman animated film is really good, way better than I thought it would be.

Aquaman has been given a big boost in the comics the last few years, he comes across as a legit bad ass, as does Mera.


When I was watching Flashpoint the other day (also a thumbs up) I was thinking about how it would be interesting if DC started their Justice League movie like that, in an alternate reality where the heroes were fighting, rather than the traditional, we meet, we bond, we fight team origin.


It would be a different take.

dronepool 07-23-2013 12:37 AM

Quote:

introduction of a new Batman
Technically Batman doesn't need an introduction. He should just show up. Just get a guy to play a good Bruce and have Bats be smart and ready for anything... except death metal vocals.

Kane Knight 07-23-2013 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dronepool (Post 4253991)
Technically Batman doesn't need an introduction. He should just show up. Just get a guy to play a good Bruce and have Bats be smart and ready for anything... except death metal vocals.

They are effectively introducing him, no matter what they do. That's what I was referencing.

However, since they plan on taking him in "new, exciting directions" or whatever, they probably do need the kind of introduction you're talking about.

McLegend 07-23-2013 08:31 PM

Who will have existed first in the terms of this universe? Batman or Superman?


Probably Superman...

Kalyx triaD 07-23-2013 08:33 PM

Thinking Batman.

Kalyx triaD 07-23-2013 08:34 PM

I mean, you don't think they're gonna do his origin in Superman's sequel? He's gonna appear already established.

McLegend 07-23-2013 08:40 PM

I would think, but you don't need an origin story for Batman anymore.

Kalyx triaD 07-23-2013 08:49 PM

And when the new sets off to the new Bat-movies I'm thinking it'll most likely have the rest of the Gotham Knights. Joker will be the main villain for part 3 instead the first or second. And it will be 20% lighter with more attempts at humor (mostly from Robin or Batgirl). Stephen Amell will cameo at some point.

McLegend 07-23-2013 09:03 PM

Are you serious about the Stephen Amell?

Kalyx triaD 07-23-2013 09:25 PM

No. :(

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 05:17 AM

http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/...jpg?1374525254

slik 08-02-2013 08:50 AM

Not crazy about the Bat logo, not sure why.

It will likely evolve though, like a WM logo tends to, as time goes on.

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 03:23 PM

You kidding? That's Frank Miller's logo. It was very deliberate.

Lock Jaw 08-02-2013 03:46 PM

Really hope that they don't have Batman beating up Superman in the movie. Had enough of that, and it only fuels people who think Superman is stupid and lame.

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 04:06 PM

Only silly people. Batman humbling Superman has been done to death but it's gonna be what the new Batman needs to make a statement going into his own franchise. Since they're going for an older Bruce, we'll be getting an experienced Batman, I suppose.

People who think Superman is stupid and lame will never be sated and I say fuck em. You can't make movies to the whims those kinds of people. Superman Returns; too boring. Man of Steel; too much action/destruction. You just can't get some people.

JimmyMess 08-02-2013 04:17 PM

Definitely digging this potential Frank Miller-style Batman

Fignuts 08-02-2013 04:23 PM

They're definitely going to have a moment of batman getting one over on supes, if only to show he's in the same league despite having no powers

Fignuts 08-02-2013 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 4262199)
Only silly people. Batman humbling Superman has been done to death but it's gonna be what the new Batman needs to make a statement going into his own franchise. Since they're going for an older Bruce, we'll be getting an experienced Batman, I suppose.

People who think Superman is stupid and lame will never be sated and I say fuck em. You can't make movies to the whims those kinds of people. Superman Returns; too boring. Man of Steel; too much action/destruction. You just can't get some people.

Superman has never been a favorite, but that's because he is hard to write for, and a lot of stuff I've read just didn't do it for me.

That said, there have been stories I've really enjoyed. All Star, Kingdom Come, and Brainiac for example. They're just few and far between for me.

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 04:33 PM

I know this.

Lock Jaw 08-02-2013 04:44 PM

They can have Batman one-up Superman with his brain or whatever, but I have zero desire to see him physically beat up Superman.

Lock Jaw 08-02-2013 04:45 PM

Also,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 4262199)
Since they're going for an older Bruce, we'll be getting an experienced Batman, I suppose.

Where have you seen that they are going for an older Bruce?

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4262219)
They can have Batman one-up Superman with his brain or whatever, but I have zero desire to see him physically beat up Superman.

What makes you think that's possible outside of a certain green rock? What are you referring to for this idea?

And the current casting rumors say WB's looking for a late 30s/early 40s chap.

Lock Jaw 08-02-2013 05:05 PM

I am referring to the many times in comic books where they have Batman beat up Superman so he can look "badass".

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 06:08 PM

Often using something. He doesn't just waltz up and kick his ass like you're making it sound. I am well aware of the trend of humbling Clark, just spoke about it at length actually, but he's not the pinata to Bruce like that.

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 06:10 PM

In fact, peep the first issue of the 2000's Superman/Batman where Kingdom Come Superman makes a kinda sorta cameo. He has some commentary of that very status quo that should make you feel better.

Lock Jaw 08-02-2013 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD (Post 4262285)
Often using something. He doesn't just waltz up and kick his ass like you're making it sound.

Wasn't trying to make it sound like that. Obviously he's got to use something.

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 06:57 PM

Well in that case why is it a problem? It's a handicapped Superman. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Lock Jaw 08-02-2013 07:38 PM

It is for us die-hard Superman fans who have been living for years under the torment of "Superman sucks. Batman is way better. Batman can kick his ass. Superman is Superlame"

Kalyx triaD 08-02-2013 08:54 PM

Let it go. We know what his values are, why care what others think?

Lock Jaw 08-02-2013 09:35 PM

I don't, but it doesn't mean I can't state my own personal wishes.

Raven Reaper 08-02-2013 09:50 PM

When I first saw those overlapping logos, I thought they could make a new Justice League movie despite those 2 are at the front row seats of the roster..

JimmyMess 08-03-2013 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4262221)
Also,



Where have you seen that they are going for an older Bruce?

IGN posted a story the other day about casting rumors. Apparently the filmmakers are seeking someone in their 40's or older to play Batman.

parkmania 08-03-2013 06:44 PM

I would like to see a Batman that really plays his martial arts skills to the fullest. It scares me to say it, but if they're looking for an older actor for Bruce, what would people think of Mister Four Initials?

SPOILER: show
JCVD, if I'm too cryptic.

Nark Order 08-03-2013 08:33 PM

Superman isn't a relatable character and I don't think he'll ever be to me.

KIRA 08-03-2013 09:25 PM

I was in the "Superman sucks" camp,the whole unrelatable, boring hero argument then All-Star Superman came along and made me really appreciate him.

McLegend 08-04-2013 01:04 AM

What about Tom Hardy playing Batman? Sure he's younger then the rumors are saying, but that would be pretty cool.

Damian Rey 08-04-2013 01:09 AM

Not digging the idea of a 40 year old Batman.

RoXer 08-04-2013 02:33 AM

what if Bruce Wayne play batman

slik 08-04-2013 02:43 AM

Ian McKellen should play Batman.

Judi Dench should play Alfred.

Corporate CockSnogger 08-04-2013 05:28 AM

I've got it lads. Danny DeVito plays him at the beginning when he's retired and chilling on a beach with Alfred sipping on some mojito's. Then some nasty little critter causes havoc, his red bat-phone goes off to ask for his help. We then get a 5-10 minute montage of him training to get back in shape, and at the end, out walks Arnold Schwarzenegger with the bat mask in hand.

parkmania 08-04-2013 08:37 AM

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Corporate CockSnogger 08-04-2013 09:37 AM

Another solid idea right there. A puppet Batman could be very innovative.

DaveBrawl 08-05-2013 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parkmania (Post 4262832)
I would like to see a Batman that really plays his martial arts skills to the fullest. It scares me to say it, but if they're looking for an older actor for Bruce, what would people think of Mister Four Initials?

SPOILER: show
JCVD, if I'm too cryptic.

I would die a happy man, possibly in the theatre.

Rammsteinmad 08-05-2013 09:47 AM

I would also die a happy man, but probably not until the DVD release.

Kalyx triaD 08-05-2013 12:50 PM

JCVD as Batman would be terrible. Stop that.

DaveBrawl 08-05-2013 01:07 PM

Never, let me dream.

Kalyx triaD 08-05-2013 01:11 PM

That's cool, too.

Curtis Anderson 08-05-2013 04:36 PM

Umm, Christian Bale is in his late 40s anyway. He's a dead cert to play The Batman one more time. Mark my words Christian Bale will be in this movie, you can put your house on it.

Lock Jaw 08-05-2013 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis Anderson (Post 4263926)
Umm, Christian Bale is in his late 40s anyway. He's a dead cert to play The Batman one more time. Mark my words Christian Bale will be in this movie, you can put your house on it.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7782/nochance.jpg

XCaliber 08-05-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curtis Anderson (Post 4263926)
Umm, Christian Bale is in his late 40s anyway. He's a dead cert to play The Batman one more time. Mark my words Christian Bale will be in this movie, you can put your house on it.

Bale is only 39 dude anyways I wouldn't mind seeing Jim Caviezel in the role.

VSG 08-06-2013 01:17 PM

For some reason that quote in Lock Jaw's post did not show up instantly and I thought he was suggesting Vinny Mac play Batman :|

Lock Jaw 08-06-2013 08:34 PM

Vinny Mac would make a great "older" Batman

mitchables 08-06-2013 10:47 PM

according to some newsy things i've seen, some of the front runners are ryan gosling, josh brolin, richard armitage, max martini and matthew goode

not really loving any of those names

mitchables 08-06-2013 11:39 PM

actually, because i am fickle and this picture is pretty sweet, i could get behind the idea of josh brolin if i really had to

http://31.media.tumblr.com/09630c6d2...2j3ko1_500.jpg

Fignuts 08-07-2013 01:35 AM

I could definitely get behind that.


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