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Juan 08-16-2013 01:30 AM

Enough with the Sin Cara bashing!
 
And enough with the stupid Sin Cara memes.

I will fight every last one of you

Now, use this thread to discuss how awesome Sin Cara is.

The Condor 08-16-2013 01:31 AM

Survivor Series 2011 was a shining moment.:cool:

Lock Jaw 08-16-2013 01:45 AM

He's alright. Definitely improved since his debut. Just suffered from not being able to live up to the hype he was getting right away. If they actually sent him to FCW/NXT first before his big push on WWE TV, he could be a lot bigger than he is today.

He'll never be Rey Mysterio "big", though.

Skippord 08-16-2013 02:25 AM

I do not get the mood lighting

whiteyford 08-16-2013 02:31 AM

Yeah scrap the mood lighting, just screams jobber to me.

whiteyford 08-16-2013 02:32 AM

And give him a mouth piece, Ricardo could do that, not being able to talk hinders him a lot.

Rammsteinmad 08-16-2013 03:45 AM

In his 2.5 years in WWE, the only significant thing he's really done is botch and get injured. His confrontations with Sin Cara Negro were great, even if the match itself was a huge let-down.

Curd 08-16-2013 04:08 AM

I haven't seen new photoshopped Sin Cara images lately. The bashing hasn't slowed?

Anyway, Sin Cara takes bumps through tables quite well.

Skippord 08-16-2013 04:36 AM

he hit one of the sweetest moves I've ever seen the other week on Main Event

was like a Hurricanrana DDT sort of thing

Skippord 08-16-2013 04:39 AM

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwemaineven...6134555/page-2

at 2:25 or so

Fignuts 08-16-2013 04:40 AM

The mask needs to be modified. Bad enough he can't speak English, but you can't see any emotion out of him during the match. He literally has no way to connect with the crowd on an emotional level.

Also, I like La Sombra better.

Fignuts 08-16-2013 04:53 AM

http://youtu.be/TcjNU-hXyZ4

Fignuts 08-16-2013 04:54 AM

Sorry dunno how to embed with this gay iPod.

Skippord 08-16-2013 04:55 AM

La Sombra is also apparently the name of a fun Mariachi band, based on a quick google search.

Fignuts 08-16-2013 05:00 AM

Cara is pretty slick in the ring tho. Kinda wasted in 3 minute matches.

DAMN iNATOR 08-16-2013 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 4276330)
The mask needs to be modified. Bad enough he can't speak English, but you can't see any emotion out of him during the match. He literally has no way to connect with the crowd on an emotional level.

Also, I like La Sombra better.

I hear you about the mask. Seems like the only excuse they have for keeping it that way is the whole " 'Sin Cara' translation means 'Without face'." Stupid, really.

The Whole F'n Show 08-16-2013 07:27 AM

He has yet to live up to all of the hype, with most of his matches being moodlit botch fests, even when working with GREAT wrestlers. I know that I had high hopes when he arrived, hopefully with some tajiri- like skills, but they aren't there and I don't see how they ever will be.

Vastardikai 08-16-2013 08:28 AM

http://www.ringsidecollectibles.com/..._cara_pic1.jpg

DaveBrawl 08-16-2013 08:34 AM

I will also fight all of you, I haven't actually seen any bashing, but if Juan says it I believe it.

Love Sin Cara.

Savio 08-16-2013 08:41 AM

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...XA7v7lb6XoxJaA

voncouch 08-16-2013 09:04 AM

Sorry. I was going to leave a nice comment about Sin Cara, but I botched my post.

Heisenberg 08-16-2013 09:07 AM

I turned my stance on Sin Cara b/c of his backstage antics on Smackdown! a few weeks ago. Plus I just noticed through Lock Jaw that he points at ppl quite a bit and that's powerful as hayell.

bigslimjj 08-16-2013 09:25 AM

I prefer Hunico dressed as Sin Cara...btw, what the hell happened to Hunico?...and his samoan body guard? Sin Cara is very good at looking through trunks for stuff though.

#1-norm-fan 08-16-2013 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 4276299)
His confrontations with Sin Cara Negro were great, even if the match itself was a huge let-down.

Seriously, what the fuck happened with that match???

DaveBrawl 08-16-2013 09:34 AM

You are all (except my boy H'berg) going on the list Juan and I are compiling.

Vastardikai 08-16-2013 09:37 AM

For the record, I posted a WWE Licensed action figure for Sin Cara.

Shisen Kopf 08-16-2013 10:09 AM

Sin Cara is good when he's not botching but the fact he can't speak English pretty much means he'll never have a decent feud. Been here two years and still won't learn English? Typical.

Savio 08-16-2013 10:18 AM

I'm surprised Juan (the bully) is telling us not to bully.

bigslimjj 08-16-2013 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savior (Post 4276622)
I'm surprised Juan (the bully) is telling us not to bully.

It takes Juan....to know Juan.

DaveBrawl 08-16-2013 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vastardikai (Post 4276571)
For the record, I posted a WWE Licensed action figure for Sin Cara.

Your still on the list because your intentions were clear.

DaveBrawl 08-16-2013 10:48 AM

Everyone leave Juan Cara alone as well.

No more Cara bashing, no matter how many Cara's they have be it Sin or Juan.

DaveBrawl 08-16-2013 10:48 AM

In depth play on his name right there. The rest of you should take notes.

Vastardikai 08-16-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveBrawl (Post 4276652)
Your still on the list because your intentions were clear.

Then Hasbro should be on the list, as well. Because they made the damned thing.

Also, Fuck your list! :-p

Lock Jaw 08-16-2013 01:37 PM

Sin Cara could benefit from a feud against Zeb Colter's crew. Colter could do enough talking for everybody, while Sin Cara consistently shows "heart" and pulls out victories.

Just scrap the mood lighting.

Emperor Smeat 08-16-2013 02:08 PM

The mood lighting was such a stupid idea not because he was the only one with special lights but because he probably could barely see anything from how dark the lights were. Took months before the WWE realized this and made them brighter.

The Cara vs Cara feud was good even though it was really short.

ron the dial 08-16-2013 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4276276)
I do not get the mood lighting


Heisenberg 08-16-2013 03:35 PM

Sin Cara should turn heel and attack Rey Mysterio at his casa, that would be awesome. Or have a gimmick where he travels to wrestler's houses and steals their trash and souls.

whiteyford 08-16-2013 03:37 PM

Didn't someone suggest the idea of giving him a manager who's a heel but since Sin Cara doesn't speak English he's oblivious to it all. I'd watch that.

Wake Up Call 08-16-2013 03:39 PM

There is no doubt in my mind, WWE missed an opportunity with this guy. I would have turned Mysterio heel, and have him go after Sin Cara. Have Cara go over, let Mysterio retire. You would still have the merchandise sales from masks, and Cara woulda been over huge with the little Mexicans.

Heisenberg 08-16-2013 03:39 PM

or he should go around touching the boobies of Divas and acting all innocent about it and telling them to hush with his fingers and then proceeds to combat roll out of picture

Razzamajazz 08-16-2013 03:43 PM

i somewhat sorta kind of enjoyed his feud with cody rhodes a while back when rhodes kept trying take the mask off

Cool King 08-16-2013 03:57 PM

It's gotten to the point now that nobody gives a damn about Sin Cara.

He was greatly hyped but he didn't live up to it and he kept botching so much that he became a walking joke. It didn't help him at all that he couldn't speak English around the time of his debut and even to this day. His mask is another hindrance as his entire face is covered, so nobody can see how the character is feeling. So he can't talk and he can't show emotion so he's pretty much just a walking mannequin.

All he does is point, shake his head and pump up his arms. When he does have a match, which seems to be rare these days, it's usually around two minutes long and is accompanied by that God awful mood lighting, which doesn't help anyone. Not only can the audience not see a damn thing, Sin Cara himself must find it hard to see with his mask on. That's the only explanation I can think of for his constant botching.

He's such a joke that nobody cares about that he's now relegated to raking in trash only to make someone else's storyline seem that more authentic. Sorry Juan, but I was somewhat interested in Sin Cara when he was being hyped and after his debut, but that quickly died and now, I don't care about him at all. A lot would have to change with him to gain my interest in him again.

The only time he's ever been interesting to me was during his angle with Sin Cara Negro/Hunico. Infact, I like Hunico much more than I do Sin Cara and Hunico was only brought in to cover for Sin Cara during his suspension.

I miss Hunico.

Rammsteinmad 08-16-2013 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4276562)
Seriously, what the fuck happened with that match???

Are you asking coz you missed it? Or because you were as equally bummed out about it as I was?

Ultra Mantis 08-16-2013 05:15 PM

I'm quietly hoping that Xaviar Woods is brought up soon and forms a face stable of Sin Caras to fight off The Shield / Wyatts.

Poit 08-16-2013 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis (Post 4277231)
I'm quietly hoping that Xavier Woods is brought up soon and forms a face stable of <strike>Sin Caras</strike> Power Rangers to fight off The Shield / Wyatts.

Fixed that for you.

Savio 08-16-2013 05:39 PM

When my girl use to watch WWE she would laugh at his video (because of the stupid green screen fire):

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/NH4eUVPeJOc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Ultra Mantis 08-16-2013 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poit (Post 4277234)
Fixed that for you.

We'll call them the Flighty Morphine Cara Rangers for legal reasons.

Lock Jaw 08-16-2013 05:58 PM

Flinstones Chewable Morphine

Ultra Mantis 08-16-2013 06:02 PM

I would bet that's what his wellness violation was for.

Poit 08-16-2013 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Mantis (Post 4277307)
We'll call them the Flighty Morphine Cara Rangers for legal reasons.

I'd prefer:

http://img.neoseeker.com/mgv/47729/7...ot_display.jpg

Lock Jaw 08-16-2013 06:14 PM

Axem Rangers Ruled

#1-norm-fan 08-16-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wake Up Call (Post 4277149)
There is no doubt in my mind, WWE missed an opportunity with this guy. I would have turned Mysterio heel, and have him go after Sin Cara. Have Cara go over, let Mysterio retire. You would still have the merchandise sales from masks, and Cara woulda been over huge with the little Mexicans.

I don't know if it was a missed opportunity by WWE as much as it was Rey or Sin Cara ALWAYS being injured. There were rumors that at least a match was planned at some point but it would have been tough to build the feud when both guys being healthy at the same time for more than a month is a miracle.

#1-norm-fan 08-16-2013 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rammsteinmad (Post 4277209)
Are you asking coz you missed it? Or because you were as equally bummed out about it as I was?

Because I remember watching it thinking "How can it be this bad? It's actually bizarre how underwhelming this match is."

I'm no Sin Cara hater. And Hunico can certainly go in the ring. I just can't fathom how they fucked it up that bad.

My Final Heaven 08-16-2013 08:55 PM

If it were me, I'd have him doing these things in that entrance vid

*doing those stupid sideways "V" gang fingers that 99% of girls do in their Facebook photos!
*eating a plate of spaghetti!
*holding a PS3/360 controller!
*he's doing the double "I'm pointing at you!!!" thing, but have the camera zoom back to show that he's sitting on the crapper!

He'd become the biggest Superstar in the history of the WWE Universe

Curd 08-16-2013 09:54 PM

Hmm, reminds me of the "Day in the Life of Sin Cara" youtube series. One of the vids has a dude in a Sin Cara mask attempting to dramatically pour milk onto cereal but gets it all over himself. The execution isn't as funny as it sounds because he actually hit the bowl and overpoured a little, not as catastrophic as one might imagine.

Juan 08-16-2013 10:24 PM

At least DaveBrawl knows the score

Skippord 08-16-2013 10:27 PM

hey I praised that hurricanrana driver he did the other day

The Condor 08-16-2013 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savior (Post 4277272)
When my girl use to watch WWE she would laugh at his video (because of the stupid green screen fire):

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/NH4eUVPeJOc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

He may be the only guy on the roster w/o action shots :rofl:

Juan 08-16-2013 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4278106)
hey I praised that hurricanrana driver he did the other day

ok fine, I wont fight you.

Tom Guycott 08-17-2013 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skippord (Post 4276276)
I do not get the mood lighting

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 4276278)
Yeah scrap the mood lighting, just screams jobber to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw (Post 4276924)
Just scrap the mood lighting.

Maybe the mood is about to change?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md...5wnbo1_500.gif

I'm inclined to agree with the naysayers on this thread. Had they actually a) given the Sin Cara gimmick to Hunico to begin with and b) nix the lighting treatment during the matches themselves, the "make him a big deal quick" idea could have at least been a start.

The only forseeable way to salvage him in any way is to keep having him do silly shit in backstage segments (even that needs to be "bigger"... like, have him do stuff besides nod or point... maybe some facepalms or shoulder shrugs?), or do something like make the "unemployed" Ricardo his mouthpiece/harbinger of vengeance...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heisenberg (Post 4277150)
or he should go around touching the boobies of Divas and acting all innocent about it and telling them to hush with his fingers and then proceeds to combat roll out of picture

or that.

whiteyford 08-17-2013 04:58 AM

I believe Tom Guycott is insinuating Sin Cara needs to snap and become a badass submission machine. Or get a towel.

whiteyford 08-17-2013 04:59 AM

It's my answer for a lot of things but they need to give him a feud, something to make us invest in him rather than random 3 minute matches.

Lock Jaw 08-17-2013 11:49 AM

Or turn Sin Cara into a Hurricane-like superhero gimmick

Lock Jaw 08-17-2013 11:50 AM

It has been over a year since The Avengers came out, about time for the WWE to try to capitalize on it.

#1-norm-fan 08-17-2013 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 4279300)
It's my answer for a lot of things but they need to give him a feud, something to make us invest in him rather than random 3 minute matches.

It really is the solution to most guys getting lost in the shuffle. It's been years since they've put any real, consistent effort into getting good feuds going outside the main event and that's why so many guys have gotten stagnant.

Poit 08-17-2013 05:30 PM

After Del Rio loses the WHC, a Del Rio/Sin Cara feud for the IC title could help make Sin Cara relevant.

Mr. Nerfect 08-17-2013 11:50 PM

The hurricanrana he used to finish Drew McIntyre on Main Event was fucking sick. I've never given up hope on Sin Cara, as I've always felt that the reason he wasn't clicking was because he was rushed and the production of the character is all wrong. The mood-lighting doesn't help him out, because it makes everything darker and he's meant to be an inspiring human being. Isn't he? The WWE has done a pretty piss-poor job of explaining who Sin Cara is and what he is about. They should do some sort of vignettes on the guy before they bring him back. Show children talking about how he has taught them that anything is possible with a good heart and hard work. That sort of bullshit.

Put him on a winning streak after that. Also, go back to a blue color scheme. He should only use other colors for special occasions. He then goes on a winning streak, hitting his sweet hurricanranas on 3MB for a few weeks, and then on Epico & Primo, then on Darren Young, etc. Keep him going up the roster until people begin to bank on the guy and get behind him.

Mr. Nerfect 08-17-2013 11:51 PM

Or they can just put him back with Rey Mysterio when Rey is healthy, and until then let Sin Cara train down in NXT to get even better at the WWE style.

Vastardikai 08-18-2013 12:47 AM

So, he can team with Rey for a couple weeks until the next injury?

Curd 08-18-2013 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heisenberg (Post 4277150)
or he should go around touching the boobies of Divas and acting all innocent about it and telling them to hush with his fingers and then proceeds to combat roll out of picture


Yes, Sin Cara would get over much better as a comedy act now. He can feud with 3MB!

Curd 08-18-2013 02:58 AM

Damn it, Juan, I would've totally forgotten about Sin Cara botches had you not reminded me!

Now I CANNOT STOP THINKING ABOUT Sin Cara botches! :)

Curd 08-18-2013 02:59 AM

http://botchedspot.com/files/comics/...cara-early.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:02 AM

http://wrestlinglol.com/images/sin-cara-botch-3617.png

Curd 08-18-2013 03:05 AM

Tons of Sin Cara botch memes here:
http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/char...tchin-sin-cara

And here:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/sin-c....102849/page-4

Curd 08-18-2013 03:08 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/hc2bqq.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:09 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/iqyb3z.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:10 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/42ppxu.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:14 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/r23znu.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:17 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/dv33y5.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:19 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/ppxf3c.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:22 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/2i6f23.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:22 AM

And my favorite:

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/y0lfz1.jpg

Curd 08-18-2013 03:38 AM

Some people familiar with how inept Spider-Man is in the daily serial comic run in the newspapers may subliminally associate this with Sin Cara due to their masks and hard-earned reputation.

daimoniac 08-18-2013 05:23 PM

http://i.imgur.com/UgNPHQl.jpg

well i thought it was funny...

Juan 08-18-2013 07:29 PM

Dammit Curd, you cuntbag.

Curd 08-19-2013 07:06 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/jo7gf8.jpg

GD 08-19-2013 09:23 AM

Sin Cara Negro for life.

DaveBrawl 08-19-2013 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poit (Post 4280172)
After Del Rio loses the WHC, a Del Rio/Sin Cara feud for the IC title could help make Sin Cara relevant.

Or they could have Sin Cara take the title from Del Rio and go on to unify the world titles in a 500 day reign.

I like my idea better.

Curd 08-19-2013 10:43 AM

http://www.memegeneokerlund.com/medi...ted/fxpyi4.jpg

road doggy dogg 08-19-2013 10:51 AM

Sin Cara is awful, but not as awful as the cancer that is internet memes.
crossrine

DaveBrawl 08-19-2013 11:19 AM

I will fight you RDD, and then Juan will hit you from behind while you are curbstomping me to prove we are right.

road doggy dogg 08-19-2013 11:26 AM

Well if you're doing it in the name of Sin Cara you'll surely botch the attempt and end up hurting yourselves! :lol: :lol: [/ugh]
crossrine

road doggy dogg 08-19-2013 09:17 PM

GREAT match tonight on Raw, really showing his true potential.
crossrine

DaveBrawl 08-19-2013 09:25 PM

I will continue the fight in the name of our paper mache champion.

Juan 08-19-2013 09:37 PM

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

Fignuts 08-19-2013 11:51 PM

Juan, you know I was there with you in the beginning, referencing his work as Mistico, but its over dude. It's just over.

Skippord 08-19-2013 11:52 PM

I'd like it if they introduced Sin Cara's white half brother "Steve Cara"

just a real nerdy guy wearing a mask

holy shit, EL GENERICO

Evil Vito 08-19-2013 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curd (Post 4280498)

<font color=goldenrod>Memes have worn thin on me but I burst out laughing picturing this one actually happening.</font>

SlickyTrickyDamon 08-20-2013 12:00 AM

I agree it's time to end the Sin Cara bashing. Just release him already.

Skippord 08-20-2013 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curd (Post 4280497)

This one's both racist and not funny, did Jeff Dunham write it?


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