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Best Heel of the Last 25 Years
Vote. Has to be from 1988 to now
Bobby Heenan Ric Flair Steve Austin Bret Hart Raven Dudleys Tax Triple H CM Punk The Rock Hollywood Hogan Vince McMahon Sgt. Slaughter Other |
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JBL
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The Game. He had Rikishi run down Austin in a car.
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Bobby Heenan
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Probably Bobby Heenan or Vince McMahon. JBL should definitely be an option on the poll, and CM Punk had a better heel run 2009-2011
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Voted McMahon
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hogan said he would run for president but didn't.
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Flair didnt let him.
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Hollywood Hogan with Vince as a very close 2nd.
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Vince fought God on live PPV for god's sake! Doesn't get much more heel than that.
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Slaughter 1991 was getting death threats from true American patriots. I hated him so much and when Hogan beat him at Rasslemania VIII I was so happy that USA #1 prevailed. Booooo Slaughter!
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I feel like the main reason I voted Heenan is because if I were a wrestler I would wanna roll in his clique. He'd win me like every fucking match, and be the best friend a heel could ever have.
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Heenan. He was a freakin Heat machine no matter who he walked out there with. Outstanding. Vince during Austin feud a close 2nd.
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Heenan was a great heel for a long time, but I couldn't help but cheer him when he was a hilarious heel commentator making excuses for and rationalizing heel behavior as totally the smart and sensible thing to do.
I voted Vince because besides paper terrorism against his employees, he actually beat up his own son and daughter on various occasions. Bad Dad! :) |
And here's some audiovisual evidence, the Vince vs. Stephanie "I Quit" match at No Mercy 2003:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/zVErqX8oCb0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> That match was basically an extended squash match with a token "hope spot" for Steph. That's the type of monkeyshines you see done to Indy bump machines such as LuFisto and MsChif, not something a caring father would want done to his daughter. (In all fairness, maybe Stephanie demanded the rough treatment.) Now if Vince had done that violence to Mickie James, then he would be one of the top faces of the past 25 years! :) |
Vince,however I will always maintain that Raven was a heel too complex for his audience.
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How is Chris Jericho not on this list? He punched Shawn Michaels wife in the face...
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BTW, Chris Jericho is the answer
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Accidentally
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As I do with any of these polls, I go with the first name that comes to mind when I read the question.
Write in: JBL |
also, Tatanka
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yeah, I like the write ins appearing. Feeling more complete
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Btw I thought Jake the Snake was much bigger of a heel for slapping Elizabeth during the Savage feud than Jericho was for slapping HBK's wife, IMO |
There's only been one good heel in the past 10 years.
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Cena?
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I could discuss heels all day, I think one of those rep things are due for the OP.
Perhaps one day I might buy this man/woman a drink for his/her idea of making a heel based thread. I wouldn't set this poster up for a chokeslam mind you, but I'd expect the poster to appreciate it if I turned on someone close to me to their amusement. Tip of the hat, and splash stinger |
100% Vince McMahon
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Or Dan Scott from One Tree Hill #HotTeenDramaPost
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Sylar from HEROES
OH CLAIRE BEAR OHHHHHHHHHHH |
Didn't Sylar constantly flip flop between face and heel after season 1? I've blocked most of the show out.
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Yeah, I just liked his S1 heel run, mad heel heat with mind cutting and all that
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He made himself a timebomb, only for Peter Petrelli to literally steal his thunder.
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I messed up not adding JBL to the poll.
The option would have been: JBL - At an ECW One Night Stand PPV |
Kind of surprised that The Rock didn't get a single vote yet since a lot of people praise his 2003 heel work.
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McMahon by a wide margin.
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You are forgiven by me and the other heel supporters in here |
JBL: I wuz screwed by not being in this poll MACKLE!
Cole: So was I! King: Me too. |
I cant believe no ROH fans are clamoring for "Insert Shitty ROH Heel".
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Where is St. Jimmy?
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JBL had a good run, and I liked him alot, but in the scheme of history I dont really see his Heel run as so amazing it deserves to be there with Hogan and McMahon.
JBL ranks around Orton and Edge IMHO |
Hogan was a horrible heel because a heel is supposed to not be selfish. He was a heel and only he got over. Fuck him brother. JBL got Cena over huge. Hogan never gave anybody that kinda rub.
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Heenan's best heel work was far behind him by 1988.
He was a heat magnet in the 70s and early 80s. Having said that I'll go with him as my choice anyway. |
Hogan got the entire company over.
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Raven brainwashed a kid.
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Love Raven though so I'm biased.
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a Kidman?
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Bout the same size.
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Sarge's Iraqi heel turn.
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Ric Flair is the only right answer
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Also, honorable mention, The Outsiders
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He DID have that fucking amazing run with Flair and Perfect. Probably the most likable heel trifecta in my life time.
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Also Jeff Jarrett if for nothing more than calling people Slapnuts.
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Jeff Jarrett is the Owen brown of the pro wrestling world
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I really don't understand some of yr choices
Stone Cold was meant to be a heel but was always a face and made the antiface a popular thing in the mid to late 90s Tazz was never a heel during that time. People hated him before that when he was the tazmaniac, but during that time he was fueding with the triple threat who were uberheels. His fued with tajiri was more of a face vs face fued |
Austin would have been such a fucking awesome heel playing his same anti face against Hogan at any point during Hogan's peak of popularity. Just a foul mouth beer swilling badass against America's sweetheart. Would have been money.
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Vince was the sperm that fertilized the egg that grew into the Attitude Era which saved wrestling.
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Dan Scott
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Hogan sold big PPVs with Piper for fuck sake. He put over Goldberg, he got Lex Luger back over as a main event face, and lets not forget Sting was the most over face in the world going after hogan. Meanwhile Cena was ALREADY THE NEXT HOT STAR. That JBL feud did nothing for him. He just happened to be the one to end it. |
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I do think WWF did a great job of expanding the audience of wrestling in 1998-1999 by adding even more new viewers. Just saying Hogan and nWo started it all. |
McMahon
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I'm assuming you all know my answer. I've discussed this in quite detail before and do not feel like going over that whole spiel again.
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Going to assume James Steele also votes for Dan Scott
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Vince McMahon by far. It's not even close.
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Lock Jaw's run as the Anonymous GM was EPICLY HEEL!
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Of the limited nWo stuff I've seen, (don't get me wrong I HAVE seen a bunch, just didn't get WCW b/w 1996-late '97, have caught up A LOT on it, but wouldn't be an expert on the matter) much of the meat of it was best exectured by the outsiders/wolfpac vs WCW heroes. Hogan was good for some pretty great moments, but Hall, Nash and Waltman kind of kept things super fresh for that time period when they were hot. Had the whole freebirds aura going for them, and were white hot. They kind of used Hogan as a platform.
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Vinnie Mac.... hands down, without question.
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How was he useless? His heel turn was probably the biggest event in history maybe next to the Screwjob. He took WCW to heights never seen in the company and played the insufferable bully character so well. He made Sting interesting, got good buyrates out of Piper, Luger and others. He was a tremendous heel.
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Good argument by Gertner. Memorable moments were produced with Hogan as heel. The luger title change, that whole sting angle, when Piper put him out with the sleeper in that non title match (I'm pretty sure that's how it went)
But I think much like Gertner is the pulse of TPWW, the wolfpac (original, Nash, Hall and Waltman) were the pulse of the nWo. |
Without a doubt. Nash, Hall and Waltman were massive and from listening to Kevin Sullivan's Timeline of 96 dvd, they were even bigger. Hall came up with the Sting angle apparently, and the trio basically came up with all the ideas and kinda pushed Hogan into embracing the heel change.
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Btw, still can't believe WCW did that "non-title" at Starcade. Could you friggen imagine if they did that when the internet was more of a deal or if the WWE did that at Wrestlemania?
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Yeah, Starcade Sting/Hogan is still to me the biggest and most epic "event"/"encounter" that I have had the pleasure of being around and watching wrestling for. Then they ended it like they did.
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I think maybe the one difference between Hogan and the Wolfpac, was that Hogan was an actual dipshit heel while the other 3 were pretty much faces pretending to be heels.
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People here are full of shit
When Hogan came out at Bash at the Beach in 1996 and leg dropped Macho Man, it was the biggest heel turn of all time and no one saw it coming Bet money that everyone here who are crying that it meant nothing now where the same ones crying to their 6th grade class mates the next day at school |
Jake The GOAT Roberts circa 1991.
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Maybe it was a better idea to have the Rock 1997-1999 because people were chanting "Rocky Sucks" like crazy where in 2003, fans didn't know whether to cheer or boo him.
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Thought there would be more love for HHH in here.
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I'm surprised there isn't more hate for Raven. He did brainwash Sandman's kid and wife.
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I can't really comment on all-time, but since I've been watching, the heel work of Chris Jericho and CM Punk has impressed me to tremendous levels. I feel like Triple H does deserve a mention too.
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Surprised you didn't pick The Brian Kendrick
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Loved The Brian Kendrick, but there's no way he was the top heel. He didn't really even get the chance to get that over. I think he could have been an amazing heel. Triple H could have made the kid at Unforgiven 2008 by dropping the WWE Title to him, even if he won it back very shortly after. It may have been a mistake, though, given that Kendrick's attitude got in the way of the awesome push he was handed.
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And when I say he could have won, I mean it would have made total sense in kayfabe. Kendrick's whole thing was that he played things sneaky and smart and was apparently a genius. He should have realized that a Scramble Match, being unlimited falls, could have been exploited by his darker nature. The match could have gone exactly as it did, with the finish seeing Kendrick blasting MVP, Shelton Benjamin, Jeff Hardy and Triple H with a steel chair. The referee rings the bell like mad, with each guy Kendrick nails with the chair technically becoming the tentative WWE Champion for a second. Kendrick then pins Jeff Hardy with a few seconds left and becomes the new WWE Champion officially. Ezekiel Jackson appears on stage and embraces the ecstatic Kendrick, who celebrates with his new WWE Championship yelling "I knew I could do it with out you, Zeke! I knew I could do it!"
SmackDown opens with the quirky celebration from Kendrick you'd expect. There are weird decorations up and Kendrick talks about how brilliant he is and how he's the smallest WWE Champion ever, making him the pound-for-pound best in history. He dances around with Ezekiel Jackson before Triple H comes out. Kendrick points out to Triple H that he knows Triple H better than Triple H knows him. You see, The Brian Kendrick was trained by Triple H's best friend and HBK gave TBK all the secrets to taking The Game down. Triple H goes after The Brian Kendrick, but Ezekiel does his job and takes on Triple H as Kendrick escapes. Jackson takes a Pedigree, but Kendrick just cockily smiles at Triple H. Triple H wants his rematch for the WWE Title, but the SmackDown main event was already settling as being Kendrick facing Jeff Hardy, or something like that. Kendrick apparently planned ahead and made the challenge to Hardy after winning the WWE Title. The General Manager (I can't remember who it was at the time -- probably Teddy Long) is willing to give Triple H a match against someone else though. Triple H squashes that person and in the main event, Kendrick manages to defeat Hardy to kick his WWE Title run off to a good start. Triple H then attacks Kendrick after the match, but gets laid out by Ezekiel Jackson. Jeff Hardy saves Triple H from too much of a further beat-down though. Kendrick vs. Triple H is confirmed for the next PPV, with Kendrick pointing out that Triple H needs to pin him or submit him -- and that Kendrick has the champion's advantage. In their match, Triple H goes to pull out a sledgehammer and Kendrick begs Triple H to use it on him and get himself disqualified -- but Triple H just grins and clocks Big Zeke with it. Kendrick shits himself and Triple H makes a comeback with Kendrick constantly trying to get himself disqualified. Eventually, Kendrick succeeds and escapes with the title, but Teddy Long comes out and announces that it's now a No Disqualification Match. Kendrick and Triple H then brawl around the ringside area, before Triple H either hits a Pedigree to win the title back or a recovered Big Zeke gets involved and helps Kendrick retain. That would depend on how things were going with Kendrick as champion and Triple H chasing. |
Lol Noid hasn't been around in a few days and apparently is putting on a pot of coffee tryying to get his 5 paragraph posts in
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Just had to mention Kendrick to motivate him
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