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slik 01-29-2014 02:14 AM

CM Punk removed from all live events
 
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CM Punk, who did not appear at last night's RAW, also did not appear at tonight's SmackDown taping in Toledo, Ohio, despite being advertised for the event.

WWE has since removed Punk from almost all of their upcoming live events and television tapings on the events section of their website, although he remains on the Elimination Chamber page. It is not known at this time if Punk is injured, or if something else is going on. The last tweet that he posted on Monday night stated, "Thanks for all the support. Keep being you guys, it's pretty cool."

Punk's contract is up in July, and he stated in an interview last week that he doesn't know if he will re-sign after it expires, and that "everything is up in the air."

UPDATE: F4WOnline.com reports that Punk apparently told Vince McMahon at last night's RAW that he was going home and left the show. No further details were available other then that he's been removed from all shows going forward.


News or Storyline?

Fignuts 01-29-2014 02:18 AM

shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit


Well, Gertner will be happy.

Juan 01-29-2014 02:21 AM

Damn

Droford 01-29-2014 02:29 AM

Somebody put that fat guy who spazzed out over the Rumble on suicide watch

DAMN iNATOR 01-29-2014 02:29 AM

"CM Punk has taken his ball and gone home!"

Droford 01-29-2014 02:31 AM

CM punk lost his smile..oh wait..he's probably got a smiley face tattoo somewhere..

whiteyford 01-29-2014 02:33 AM

Pissed hot.

glanville6 01-29-2014 02:34 AM

Raw is in Chicago on March 2nd or 3rd. I bet he'll be back by then.

#1-norm-fan 01-29-2014 02:35 AM

Goddammit.

Bad News Gertner 01-29-2014 02:35 AM

Hehe

Droford 01-29-2014 02:38 AM

Coming eventually to TNA...MC Bully...no...AC Goon..no..BJ Hooligan!

whiteyford 01-29-2014 02:39 AM

Pretty sure he owns his name.

Droford 01-29-2014 02:40 AM

That wouldn't stop TNA from a stupid name change

whiteyford 01-29-2014 02:41 AM

Very true.

Droford 01-29-2014 02:47 AM

Punk was pissed he didn't get a spot on Total Divas

Bad News Gertner 01-29-2014 02:53 AM

What a whiny piece of shit. Just as bad as HBK in the 90's. Go away.

#1-norm-fan 01-29-2014 03:11 AM

I just really wish Street Jimmy were here to give his take on this.

NormanSmiley 01-29-2014 03:13 AM

ryan clark hasn't confirmed this

Swiss Ultimate 01-29-2014 03:15 AM

ALL LIVE EVENTS...but he's still good for Chamber?

Droford 01-29-2014 03:20 AM

He should show up and beat up Daniel Bryan on his way to the Chamber match, take his spot and win

#nuclearheelheat

Brigstocke 01-29-2014 04:27 AM

If this is storyline... and leads into the Punk vs HHH match I'm excited.. WWE doing things well at the moment. If

dronepool 01-29-2014 05:17 AM

Work?

dronepool 01-29-2014 05:39 AM

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/headlies/...id-part-timer/


Former WWE Champion CM Punk has informed Vince McMahon on Monday that he was walking away from the company, and Punk has since been written out of all foreseeable events. It has been learned that Punk is looking to come back for a “Dwayne Johnson type of deal” that would preclude him from performing at live events, and getting paid unreal sums of cash to do so.

“After Batista won the Royal Rumble match for doing minimal work, Punk is hoping to take the same career path,” says one company insider. “Punk’s been exhausted from years of working night after night without the use of medication, so he figures that four or five matches a year going forward will improve his quality of life.”

As of Tuesday evening, Punk was said to be proving his worth toward such a contract. The 35-year-old has reportedly begun forgetting the names of any WWE performer that isn’t a full-time main eventer, referring to the others as “C-level stars” on his Twitter account.

“I texted him Monday evening to ask how he was holding up,” says WWE veteran Curt Hawkins. “He said he didn’t know who I was. At first I was mad, but now it makes sense. If he gets that contract, imagine how great it’d be for business. I bet we’d all benefit somehow, even if I can’t figure out a way.”

Some have noted that Punk hasn’t been in the WWE World Championship picture for nearly one year, an unheard-of time span for a performer that sells the amount of merchandise that he has. With Rock, and now Batista, setting a new precedent for reduced-schedule icons by getting title shots, perhaps Punk’s hoping to do the same.

“He’d also indicated he’d like to win the 2015 Royal Rumble from the #28 spot,” said the insider. “Let some other hard-working sap go 50 minutes from number one and be ignored most of the way.”

Brigstocke 01-29-2014 05:48 AM

I can see his point... Hate seeing people 'return' from other endeavours and getting a push like that.

Brigstocke 01-29-2014 05:50 AM

Makes sense.. 'storyline wise'

whiteyford 01-29-2014 05:51 AM

That screams work.

Rammsteinmad 01-29-2014 05:52 AM

Whether that is true or not, or a work or not, it totally makes sense and as much as I hate CM Punk not being around, I could fully understand and support that point of view.

Blonde Moment 01-29-2014 06:20 AM

I am curious about how the Wm payout goes. I mean it is a big slap in the face to those that have busted their ass all year and wind up getting next to nothing because the company elected to pay part timers a huge chunk instead.

The Rogerer 01-29-2014 06:20 AM

The whole idea behind a work is that you work people, IE actually have something happen as opposed to nothing.

Shadrick 01-29-2014 06:26 AM

lol its a business, man.

Blonde Moment 01-29-2014 06:37 AM

Think of it this way
Wm 31 has the potential for 5 maybe 6 part timers taking money spots away from workers who are the backbone of the company.
You bust your ass all year only to have 3-4 people come in and take your spot, take your money and treat you like shit to boot.

Savio 01-29-2014 07:45 AM

I was kinda excited to see Punk vs Corporate Kane.

erickman 01-29-2014 08:35 AM

so is he going to wrestle aj styles now in roh

Innovator 01-29-2014 08:48 AM

I can't wait for RAW when Hunico plays CM Punk

Corndad 01-29-2014 08:58 AM

Well that explains why wasn't on Raw. I thought that was off. Figured they would start setting up Kane/Punk for Chamber and not even a sniff. I dunno if it's a work or not but if it's not, I can't blame him at all honestly.

Heisenberg 01-29-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brigstocke (Post 4369671)
If this is storyline... and leads into the Punk vs HHH match I'm excited.. WWE doing things well at the moment. If

Straight storyline, good stuff too, look at the internet sites

Heisenberg 01-29-2014 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner (Post 4369636)
Hehe

http://i.imgur.com/240m657.gif

voncouch 01-29-2014 09:26 AM

From 411mania, a little more detail:

According to Pwinsider.com, CM Punk has been pulled from all advertising of WWE live events going forward after a meeting with WWE management at Monday's WWE Raw tapings. Punk is under contract until July, but the feeling right now is that he is no longer factored into the company's plans moving forward. The plan was to work towards a CM Punk vs. Triple H match at WrestleMania 30, but not it seems as if WWE may slide Daniel Bryan into that slot.

Some sources have stated that the original script for Monday's Raw called for Punk to wrestle Antonio Cesaro and lose after Kane interfered in an Elimination Chamber Qualifying match. Other sources claim that he was not scheduled to wrestle, but instead say he was booked to do a promo that would follow up on Kane causing his elimination from the Rumble. Either way Punk was booked for Raw, but was not backstage for the show or at Smackdown.

The feeling is that the late re-writes for the show on Monday were because Punk had informed the company he was going home and wouldn't be back. Word is that this is not an injury situation, but instead a case of burnout and unhappiness with the overall direction of the company. Punk had been very vocal in the past about the usage of returning and "part time" stars being pushed beyond wrestlers who were working full-time for the company.

During a recent interview with Ariel Hewani, Punk spoke about working the crazy WWE schedule, and only ever taking time off for injuries. Punk worked over 50-minutes in Sunday's Royal Rumble match, and was described as being "pissy" backstage. But some has said that this is not unusual for him.

Another source noted that Punk's last goal was to work a WrestleMania main event, and that it may be a situation where Punk realized it wasn't going to happen this year and with his WWE deal expiring and him being so goal oriented, it may have weighed him down when he realized it would not happen.

Also during the Ariel Hewani interview, Punk was asked about WWE killing his momentum at times and why such things happen and stated that he'd like to think they don't make those decisions on purpose and it's more they wanted to go in another decision and that it was a different era.

Punk's last Tweet was from Monday night, and reads as follows…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Thanks for all the support. Keep being you guys, it's pretty cool.</p>&mdash; Coach (@CMPunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CMPunk/statuses/427847883774103552">January 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Corndad 01-29-2014 10:20 AM

Also if this is real, AJ will be losing her belt soon me thinks. Be Prepared for a Bella Title run.

Rammsteinmad 01-29-2014 10:23 AM

I've said for the last few years now that all these part-timers aren't helping the product or the morale of the full-timers. The last few Wrestlemanias, 75% of the card focuses on part-timers whilst guys like Dolph Ziggler, who has been with the company for eight years now, at least five of those years being one of the most over guys on the roster, yet he's barely had a legit "Wrestlemania Moment".

If this is legit, I'm totally behind Punk on this one. As much as it sometimes comes across as him being selfish and pissy, and as much as it surely is, I feel that Punk just wants a good product for everyone all around.

Kinda like when he compared "a workhorse" like Tyson Kidd to Little Jimmy.

Seth82 01-29-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by erickman (Post 4369714)
so is he going to wrestle aj styles now in roh

nah I doubt he'd ever return after the way they treated his buddy Colt Cabana.

#1-norm-fan 01-29-2014 10:42 AM

I bet he's just trying to work himself into a position of being a part-timer.

... Genius.

Damian Rey 01-29-2014 10:42 AM

Kinda sucks. Punk is by and far one of their best workers, and not having him on the card is mess some things up a bit, I think. While I wasn't looking forward to a Punk/HHH match, I'm sure it would have been a solid Mania match.

I do get where Punk is coming from, though. Guys works a ton, has helped in getting a new guy over in Roman Reigns, and consistently pumps out quality match after quality match, while remaining over and selling t shirts. To have some never was like Batista come in out of nowhere, and win the Rumble and be pushed to the moon has to feel degrading. It's not like Batista is the Rock, who had older fans clamoring for a return and didn't really take a spot that could have gone to someone more deserving.

If Punk tries to strong arm his way into a part time schedule, more power to him.

CSL 01-29-2014 10:49 AM

hold on, are people actually taking that WrestleCrap/headlies "article" that dronepool posted seriously?

RP 01-29-2014 10:53 AM

So does this mean more Bray Wyatt? If so, bye C.M.

Nark Order 01-29-2014 10:53 AM

I wouldn't blame him at all if his turns out to be true.

Kris P Lettus 01-29-2014 11:04 AM

CM Punk was at the UFC event this past weekend and openly talked about asking for time off to go to the fights in his home town of Chicago.

I posted an interview about it in 100k replies

Ol Dirty Dastard 01-29-2014 11:07 AM

I do enjoy that he doesn't much care about sticking it to McMahon.

VSG 01-29-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 4369761)
I wouldn't blame him at all if his turns out to be true.

Pretty much. I want to see how WWE will explain Punk's absence, if there is one at all before declaring it true/work.

Blonde Moment 01-29-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by VSG (Post 4369771)
Pretty much. I want to see how WWE will explain Punk's absence, if there is one at all before declaring it true/work.

This exactly. While the recent going ons concern me there was supposed to be some sort of McMahon family storyline to play out at WM and maybe this is all part of it. It would be nice to have them outsmart us all but the odds are slim.

slik 01-29-2014 11:27 AM

If it's 'newz' it should be the final nail in the coffin of PWInsider.com and Dave Meltzer/Figure4 for running with it.

Nark Order 01-29-2014 11:47 AM

This was all so preventable. Jesus. The WWE is fucking up so badly. This has to be one of the biggest backlashes from a terribly booked PPV in a long time. If true.

slik 01-29-2014 11:58 AM

I don't buy the part about Punk being upset about not being in a main-event program at WM that's being reported on various sites.

Who here honestly believes that a WM match involving HHH wouldn't get pushed to the moon on tv?

Nark Order 01-29-2014 12:07 PM

Punk wanted to main event a WM before he retired and it started looking more and more likely that it was never going to happen because he doesn't star in movies and he doesn't wrestle 3 times a year.

Corporate CockSnogger 01-29-2014 12:20 PM

Cm Punk has a very open "throw toys out the pram" personality, so I guess this could have a hint of truth to it. But that article plus common sense just screams work.

whiteyford 01-29-2014 12:25 PM

If its a hissy fit he shoulda waited till after mania, get the payday at least.

CSL 01-29-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Iginfest (Post 4369816)
But that article plus common sense just screams work.

for real. The guy is currently "anti-authority" in a mini-feud with authority rumoured to be facing the biggest on-screen authority at Mania. One of the most famous anti-authority stories by one of the most famous anti-authority guys ever? Steve Austin takes his ball and goes home. I'll eat my hat if this is anything but a work.

The Rogerer 01-29-2014 12:27 PM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Nv6Ec5P-63k" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

It's not a work if they don't work. Suddenly they really care about the IWC?

Evil Vito 01-29-2014 12:38 PM

Can't blame Punk if its true. It sounds like he's saved up his money, so if he's as miserable with his job as reported it's fair play to him to quit.

CSL 01-29-2014 12:40 PM

I wouldn't call something as small as removing him from upcoming live events as "really caring", it's the news sites that have jumped on that and expanded on it. But yeah, WWE have clearly been a bit more receptive to attempting to use the internet to their advantage for quite some time now #hashtag

Corporate CockSnogger 01-29-2014 12:47 PM

It would actually be pretty hilarious though, that if after all the crying about Daniel Bryan not being used in a high profile match at mania, he gets one in the place of the other huge Internet darling in the company.

Theo Dious 01-29-2014 12:50 PM

Fuck him. Sick and tired of hearing about him having little temper tantrums every time the world doesn't revolve around him.

CSL 01-29-2014 12:52 PM

you aren't allowed to say things like that about CM Punk on the internet, sorry.

Innovator 01-29-2014 01:11 PM

Someone on twitter beat me to it:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfKPwvbCQAEteRl.jpg

Emperor Smeat 01-29-2014 01:27 PM

Shocked but also makes some sense why he would do this considering he's been their most vocal guy in the lockerroom for the past couple of years.

Its been rumored that now he's gone, Bryan is going to benefit the most and probably Sheamus the least since the new Mania plans might end up as Bryan vs Triple H.

Fignuts 01-29-2014 01:50 PM

Austin has said many times that his one big regret in the business is walking out. He doesn't back off his reasons for doing it, but hes says he handled the situation like a selfish asshole.

This is the same situation. Actually this is worse because it's right before Wrestlemania. That's why I'm inclined to go with CSL that it's a work.

No matter how unhappy or dissatisfied CM Punk is, I can't see him doing this right before Wrestlemania. That's unprofessional on a ridiculous level.

Maybe I'm wrong and Punk is that much of a dick head. Stranger things have happened.

JimmyMess 01-29-2014 02:01 PM

this is incredible. Let a main money guy go. That's smart business.

VSG 01-29-2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 4369870)
Austin has said many times that his one big regret in the business is walking out. He doesn't back off his reasons for doing it, but hes says he handled the situation like a selfish asshole.

This is the same situation. Actually this is worse because it's right before Wrestlemania. That's why I'm inclined to go with CSL that it's a work.

No matter how unhappy or dissatisfied CM Punk is, I can't see him doing this right before Wrestlemania. That's unprofessional on a ridiculous level.

Maybe I'm wrong and Punk is that much of a dick head. Stranger things have happened.

lol Austin walked out because he didn't want to job to someone. This is totally not the same thing. But ya- if this is true, it is unprofessional.

Swiss Ultimate 01-29-2014 02:09 PM

Michael Cole is not someone.

Fignuts 01-29-2014 02:12 PM

Can anyone explain to me what WWE have done to justify Punk's actions?

Fignuts 01-29-2014 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VSG (Post 4369880)
lol Austin walked out because he didn't want to job to someone. This is totally not the same thing. But ya- if this is true, it is unprofessional.

Austin walked out because he was unhappy the direction his character was going, just like Punk. The job to Brock in a throwaway Raw match was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Nark Order 01-29-2014 02:14 PM

iMO, if this is true, he has every right to be upset. Another guy that hasn't worked for the company in 4 years comes in and takes another top spot again. Then you have Lesnar that does a couple of appearances a year. These guys are getting preferential treatment over the guys that work 300 days a year. It is ridiculous. It's understood why they do it, but if I was an active part of the roster, I would be really angry about it. And how much is Batista even going ro draw, especially after he got booed out of the building at Rumble. If this isn't a work, this is a disaster. Seriously a disaster.

Swiss Ultimate 01-29-2014 02:17 PM

Both Batista and Lesnar each worked 300 days a year not so long ago. They're also legitimately big deals.

I like CM Punk, the character and think he's a great wrestler in the same way that HBK was, but yeah I don't get this at all. It's like people getting mad at Hogan, Nash and Hall for coming back and wrestling Austin and Rock.

Nark Order 01-29-2014 02:21 PM

If I thought they were going to use these guys to put over younger stars, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. They are just using them for paydays. It is so short sited and irresponsible. Having Batista win the Rumble does nothing for anybody and it denied a future star a spot. Again. And next year it will happen in some capacity again. And the year after. Again.

Nark Order 01-29-2014 02:24 PM

And no. You don't get to tell me Batista is a big deal after the Rumble. You just don't get to do that anymore. I'm sorry. I can't allow that to happen. You at least don't get to tell me he is a bigger deal than Bryan right now.

Emperor Smeat 01-29-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 4369885)
Can anyone explain to me what WWE have done to justify Punk's actions?

Nothing really specific but similar to Kaitlyn and others, just a growing sense of dissatisfaction with the WWE and/or Creative. Some of it due to how they've been handling him the past few years and some of it due to how its been affecting others he cares about.


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Dave Meltzer and Bryan Alvarez have a breaking news audio update on F4WOnline.com and went into more details on the CM Punk situation. It was believed that Punk was going to leave the company in July when his contract expired. Punk is very burned out and he’s one of the guys that saved his money and his mentality is that he does not need WWE. There were Raw script changes with less than 2 hours before the show and this was because of Punk. Apparently it didn’t boil down to one thing and this has been building up for a while. Meltzer brought up the issue of pay going forward when the WWE Network starts, which is what we heard and reported on in the last update. The talent is wondering how payoffs will look and no one has been told how that is being handled so that could have been a factor in Punk deciding to leave.
The current rumor with the Network payouts are its either wrestlers are going to lose their PPV bonuses in favor of something a lot smaller or that royalties/bonuses done in the past with DVD/Blu-Ray and PPV sales are not carrying over with the Network.

The Rogerer 01-29-2014 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DTTS (Post 4369891)
Both Batista and Lesnar each worked 300 days a year not so long ago. They're also legitimately big deals.

I like CM Punk, the character and think he's a great wrestler in the same way that HBK was, but yeah I don't get this at all. It's like people getting mad at Hogan, Nash and Hall for coming back and wrestling Austin and Rock.

Batista is the opposite of a big deal. Also, how can you compare it to people like Hogan, Austin, The Rock? There's no-one bigger than them, and there's a wealth of mainstream affection.

CSL 01-29-2014 02:30 PM

this whole thing seems to be based on 1. him being removed from the events 2. his cryptic tweet and 3. the interview he did with Ariel Helwani, which has taken his "maybes" (he may leave in July, he doesn't know how PPV cheques are going to work once the Network starts up) into facts and generalizations ("believed he was going to leave", "the talent" wondering how payoffs will look etc) when in reality there's no official word from anybody.

whiteyford 01-29-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DTTS (Post 4369891)
Both Batista and Lesnar each worked 300 days a year not so long ago. They're also legitimately big deals.

Brock cited the schedule as one of the main reasons he left, pretty much everyone does, but he was only active on the main roster for a couple of years. He's a draw because of his UFC stint, and he's booked to take advantage of his limited date contract to maintain his drawing power and really hasn't been booked as a main eventer but more as a special attraction. Batista has pretty much been booked in the top spot from the moment he redebuted, at the peak of the money making season with all the bonuses that entails, he isn't half the draw Brock is though.

Heyman 01-29-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 4369885)
Can anyone explain to me what WWE have done to justify Punk's actions?

I think Punk is completely justified in my opinion.

The WWE are obviously well within their right to push whoever they want.....whether that's Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, or part-time wrestlers that show up once in a blue moon such as The Rock, Lesnar, or a 45 year old washed up Batista.

On the flip side - CM Punk is well within his right to do what he wants if he feels that the direction of the company and/or his character is not to his standards.

Why shouldn't Punk be pissed if it actually is the WWE's intention long term to push a guy like Dave Batista ahead of himself?

CSL 01-29-2014 02:34 PM

and seriously, guys, the dronepool article was a pisstake. Not fact. Or anything based in fact other than that Punk once said "yeah, wasn't really a fan of guys coming back for Mania paydays".

Swiss Ultimate 01-29-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 4369895)
If I thought they were going to use these guys to put over younger stars, I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. They are just using them for paydays. It is so short sited and irresponsible. Having Batista win the Rumble does nothing for anybody and it denied a future star a spot. Again. And next year it will happen in some capacity again. And the year after. Again.

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 4369898)
And no. You don't get to tell me Batista is a big deal after the Rumble. You just don't get to do that anymore. I'm sorry. I can't allow that to happen. You at least don't get to tell me he is a bigger deal than Bryan right now.

I don't think Batista is a bigger deal in wrestling than Daniel Bryan. Far from it. I just think he's a bigger deal with non-fans and people who might be convinced to watch, same with Lesnar.

DB is super-over with the fans. I'm not even arguing that Batista is a house-hold name, but he's definitely done a lot to increase his value to the rest of the world thanks to his movie roles and other stuff. Just like Lesnar became super valuable thanks to his UFC matches. That stuff does factor in.

And if, as some people suggest, Batista going over at Rumble leads to putting over DB even more, then good. I don't know what is planned or unplanned here, but it seems like DB is going to get his due.

That said, the logic behind bringing in Lesnar and Batista makes sense, just like the logic behind bringing back Rock made sense. Would people be responding nearly this much, fans or non-fans, if Sheamus or CM Punk had won the Rumble? Or if Reigns had won?

If DB went in and won the Rumble after losing to Wyatt, I think that would have been a great storyline in and of itself, coming back from defeat to win one of the biggest matches of the year. That said, how long would people be talking about the Rumble? It'd be done and over with and we'd be talking about something else. Batista winning the Rumble has resulted in a greater show of support for Bryan, lots of talk about the Rumble, controversy over Batista, talk about Chamber, more intensity.

Hell, it's gotten ME talking about wrestling and I haven't paid attention for a while now. Seems like a good idea from the standpoint of getting people talking and interested and even, dare I say it...invested in the outcome of the matches.

Fignuts 01-29-2014 02:35 PM

Punk was just recently the longest reigning champ outside of Bruno. He got the priviledge of working with Taker at mania. He's been in high profile matches with the company's top heels since then, all building to a match with Triple H at mania, which would be the climax of the authority angle, i.e. the biggest angle of the year.

Austin said the right move would have been to try and talk through the problem, rather than just go home. Say WWE doesn't give in to what Punk wants. He should at least work through Wrestlemania anyway. Why? Because he never has to work a day in his life ever again, and it's all thanks to WWE. Yeah, he worked his ass off, and things in the company may not be to his liking, but they paid him ungodly amounts of money.

Maybe I'm old school but I believe that if someone is paying you that kind of money, you act like a professional and do your job. I'm not saying you don't have an opinion, or that you even have to keep it. But at least stay til Mania. Leaving now screws over a lot of people.

Corporate CockSnogger 01-29-2014 02:36 PM

If this were The Great Khali stating frustration at the part timers coming in to top spots? Would anybody be arsed?

Fignuts 01-29-2014 02:36 PM

Dunno why I'm even arguing. Like I said, still leaning towards work.

Heyman 01-29-2014 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 4369908)
Maybe I'm old school but I believe that if someone is paying you that kind of money, you act like a professional and do your job. I'm not saying you don't have an opinion, or that you even have to keep it. But at least stay til Mania. Leaving now screws over a lot of people.

If it wasn't for the fact that the WWE is run by some of the most corrupt and vicious assholes on the planet, I would pretty much agree with you wholeheartedly.

I'm just speculating on my part, but I'm pretty sure that Punk has vocalized his concerns backstage numerous times.........to deaf ears.

If Punk is being booked to buried by Triple H at Mania (at this stage in their careers), then I'd be pretty pissed as well.

whiteyford 01-29-2014 02:41 PM

If it's legit, his contract expires July, would be beyond daft not to take the 'Mania bonus money before going home, bitch on twitter till then but get paid at least. Probably 2+2 equals doghouse again though.

Heyman 01-29-2014 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 4369912)
Dunno why I'm even arguing. Like I said, still leaning towards work.

I hope you're right.

Punk is one of my favorite wrestlers.

Nark Order 01-29-2014 02:43 PM

No. Having your babyface main event of WM get booed out of the building isn't a good idea. Nobody is going to convince me of this. There could be possible good things to come out of it as byproducts, but the end does not justify the means. There were plenty of ways everyone could've benefitted instead of the shitstorm that was Rumble.

erickman 01-29-2014 02:44 PM

i wish jeff jerret could start another wrestling company with a tv deal, we need a better tna

Heyman 01-29-2014 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fignuts (Post 4369908)
Punk was just recently the longest reigning champ outside of Bruno. He got the priviledge of working with Taker at mania. He's been in high profile matches with the company's top heels since then, all building to a match with Triple H at mania, which would be the climax of the authority angle, i.e. the biggest angle of the year.

True, but on the flip side, it sucks to just push someone to the moon, and then have him return back down to earth a year later.......for no apparent reason. Especially if said wrestler was insanely over with the fans and conducted himself professionally for the most part.

Now all of a sudden, you have Orton being pushed as the #1 heel instead? (i.e. a guy that has had numerous discipline problems, and was pretty much an afterthought for 2 years before his re-push).

Why can a guy like Batista just waltz-in and take a high profile spot?

Again - it's Vince's company and he can do whatever he wants, but the flip side is that CM Punk is an independent contractor.........and he can do whatever the hell he wants as well.

Fignuts 01-29-2014 02:46 PM

He vocalized his concerns and they gave him a contract with pretty much everything he wanted, made him champion numerous times, and have placed him in main event, high profile programs ever since.

Sounds like he got treated pretty well. Punk just seems like one of those people who are never happy.

He could be booked to win every match he wrestles, beat Bruno's run with the title, and get promised a spot in the HoF as "The Greatest Wrestler Who Ever Lived", and he'd still find something to bitch about.

And yeah, WWE as a corporation are vicious assholes. That didn't just start last Tuesday, and it's never been a secret. Punk knew that when he signed his first contract, so you can't really use that as an excuse.

Heyman 01-29-2014 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 4369924)
No. Having your babyface main event of WM get booed out of the building isn't a good idea. Nobody is going to convince me of this. There could be possible good things to come out of it as byproducts, but the end does not justify the means. There were plenty of ways everyone could've benefitted instead of the shitstorm that was Rumble.

It has worked just fine with John Cena.

As it relates to Batista however, we don't even know if he'll still be a face by Mania'.

Lot can change.

Wait and see.

Swiss Ultimate 01-29-2014 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rogerer (Post 4369900)
Batista is the opposite of a big deal. Also, how can you compare it to people like Hogan, Austin, The Rock? There's no-one bigger than them, and there's a wealth of mainstream affection.

Is Batista really so small? Is he really the opposite of a big deal? I would say he was never "great", but he always mattered. His last feud with Cena was actually pretty cool and well received if I remember right. If Cena had left instead of Batista and came back and did the exact same thing would people be complaining?

As for Hogan, he had been gone for years, as had Nash and Hall. They hadn't done anything and were riding on their legitimate past appeal. Few people can compare to Hogan's legendary popularity or his legendary role in wrestling, but it's not inappropriate to compare the two returns. Especially when you realize that Batista certainly does compare to Kevin Nash in terms of ability and star-power.

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Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 4369902)
Brock cited the schedule as one of the main reasons he left, pretty much everyone does, but he was only active on the main roster for a couple of years. He's a draw because of his UFC stint, and he's booked to take advantage of his limited date contract to maintain his drawing power and really hasn't been booked as a main eventer but more as a special attraction. Batista has pretty much been booked in the top spot from the moment he redebuted, at the peak of the money making season with all the bonuses that entails, he isn't half the draw Brock is though.

Not to wrestling fans, but again my point is that each is a big deal in their own right and each happened to find their own niche outside of wrestling. Brock with the prestigious UFC, Batista with various movies. Without any focus testing to point to, I would probably say that Batista is one of the more well known wrestlers in WWE's recent history. People know who he is that don't normally watch wrestling, plus he was a big deal before he left.

If the WWE were to actually use him correctly in his best position (that of the asshole), I dunno, maybe it could make money AND also please the hardcore wrestling fans?

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Originally Posted by CSL (Post 4369905)
and seriously, guys, the dronepool article was a pisstake. Not fact. Or anything based in fact other than that Punk once said "yeah, wasn't really a fan of guys coming back for Mania paydays".

Rumors are pretty reliable in my experience.

Nark Order 01-29-2014 02:51 PM

If Batista is heel at Mania, it is because they called an audible and not because they planned it that way.

CSL 01-29-2014 02:53 PM

like a million other things in the history of pro wrestling

Fignuts 01-29-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by He-Man (Post 4369927)
True, but on the flip side, it sucks to just push someone to the moon, and then have him return back down to earth a year later.......for no apparent reason.

As I said, he didn't really "return back down to earth".

He was in high profile matches with Taker, Jericho, and Lesnar. From there he worked with Ryback, who was just coming off his feud with Cena over the title. Then he and Bryan feuded with the Wyatts and The Shield, the hottest new heels in the company.

Not exactly Sunday Night Heat duty.

erickman 01-29-2014 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 4369918)
If it's legit, his contract expires July, would be beyond daft not to take the 'Mania bonus money before going home, bitch on twitter till then but get paid at least. Probably 2+2 equals doghouse again though.

yeah that is dumb punk should have waited. now i guess he can fued with jeff hardy in the indys

whiteyford 01-29-2014 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DTTS (Post 4369932)
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Not to wrestling fans, but again my point is that each is a big deal in their own right and each happened to find their own niche outside of wrestling. Brock with the prestigious UFC, Batista with various movies. Without any focus testing to point to, I would probably say that Batista is one of the more well known wrestlers in WWE's recent history. People know who he is that don't normally watch wrestling, plus he was a big deal before he left.

If the WWE were to actually use him correctly in his best position (that of the asshole), I dunno, maybe it could make money AND also please the hardcore wrestling fans?

He had bit parts in movies of varying box office success, a dire MMA career and that's about it. I really don't think Batista brings in any outside fans, maybe bring back a few fans who haven't watched in a while but I doubt anything of significance. He's only been back two weeks so who knows what they really have planned for him though.

Heyman 01-29-2014 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus (Post 4369933)
If Batista is heel at Mania, it is because they called an audible and not because they planned it that way.

Does it really matter?

Who cares if Batista's direction wasn't pre-planned.

Batista was a top star in the WWE and had been away for 4 years. Why wouldn't the WWE see if they could push him as a Top Face?

Back in 2004 - Edge returned from a serious injury after a long layoff, and his character started getting boo'd shortly. The WWE then turned him heel.

In 2007 - Jericho returned after a 2.5 year absence and started getting boo'd shortly afterwards. The WWE turned him heel shortly afterwards as well.

What's wrong with calling an audible if some pre-determined plan goes wrong?


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