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CM Punk On Art Of Wrestling

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*Punk made it clear that he's the happiest he's personally been in many years and that at times, he will come off bitter while discussing what happened, but it's "OK to be bitter" and that's part of going through the process of dealing with everything and that his appearance wasn't meant to be an attack on WWE, but a discussion of what his led to his departure.

*The most amazing thing to come out of the interview is that Punk didn't quit WWE after all - he was fired. While he left the company in January, he was told weeks later by Vince McMahon via text that he was suspended for two months. The next day, Vince told stockholders that Punk was on a "sabbatical." When the suspension ended, no one in WWE contacted Punk. When Punk finally reached out asking where royalties that were owed to him were, he got a run-around from WWE Execs until he received termination papers informing him he was in breach of contract on his wedding day. So, they technically fired him on his wedding day in June 2014, which Punk said was "going too f***ing far." Punk claimed the company tried to find him in "retro-breach" in June, instead of claiming he breached his deal back in January 2014 and he knew legally, that wouldn't stick.

*Punk said he left WWE the day after The Royal Rumble for one main reason: his health. During the podcast, Punk went into great, esquisite detail about the last several months in the company, which includes Punk being so injured that he's working with broken ribs (thanks to Ryback), a concussion (which he ignored after WWE medical asked him if he was OK to go on a European tour, so he toughed it out, which he noted was his own mistake) and injured knees. During the November tour, Punk was getting so sick that he was puking and dry heaving every night after wrestling, had a fever for months and had no appetite. WWE medical had given him so many antibiotics by that he pooped himself in the ring on Smackdown all while watching his checks shrink. Punk described it as the worst he ever felt in his life and being unable to sleep because he was so sick. This went all the way through the end of his WWE run.

*At the Royal Rumble, Punk suffered a concussion early on and still worked the entire match. The next day, he passed the company's concussion test (which he described as "bullsh**") while texting Colt Cabana and wearing headphones. WWE then told him he passed the test but they wanted him to go run the ring ropes to check him again. Punk said he felt like they wanted him to go run the ropes like some 2 week rookie in front of everyone and refused. At that point, Punk demanded they just decide he has a concussion and admitted that until then he was just trying to deny he was hurt and tough it out.

That same day, the company began pressuring him about signing visas for future tours and taking a drug test instead of listening to his requests to "f***ing help me" because something was obviously wrong with all the issues that had built up. Deciding he had enough, Punk said he decided to tell Vince McMahon and Triple H he was going home. Punk's version of this conversation is something to behold as he calmly tears into Triple H for cutting off his momentum in 2011 (Punk goes into great detail on issues with HHH), complains to Vince that he's stifled Punk's creativity and tells them both it's garbage they aren't considering Daniel Bryan for the main event of Wrestlemania 30, passing him by the way they've passed Punk by. He told them he was done and didn't want to do this anymore. Vince hugged him goodbye in tears and told him he was family, yet later suspended and fired Punk.

*Punk also told a story of going to WWE's doctor because he found a lump on his back during the same time period as the November 2013 European tour. The WWE Doctor, identified by Punk as Dr. Chris Amann, diagnosed it as a fatty deposit. Punk told several stories of asking for Amann to cut it out, but Amann says no because it wasn't hurting Punk. Punk explained that WWE docs cut things out of the wrestlers on a regular basis. Amann declined several times to remove it with Punk describing him as "lazy" in explicit, colorful terms. The day of the 2014 Rumble, Punk told Amann that it was now badly hurting and purple and bigger. Amann told him he couldn't do it then because Punk had to work the Rumble. After the Rumble, Punk demanded it be cut out right now and Amann noted that Punk would need to be on antibiotics, to which Punk responded that had been put on antibiotics WWE docs have given him for three months, which is why he pooped his pants.

*After leaving WWE and still not feeling any better weeks later, his wife AJ Lee convinced him go to her doctor. Her doctor (without knowing who Punk was or having any background information), immediately looked at the lump and diagnosed Punk with a MERSA staph infection. The doctor proceeded to squeeze the lump so hard the puss hit the ceiling. Punk said getting it cleaned out was the worst pain in his life and he needed specific medications for the infection, so none of the meds WWE had been giving him were any help. So, Punk had been wrestling the last few months of his WWE run with a staph infection in his back, which he stated was ignored and/or misdiagnosed by WWE's medical staff. When the doctor asked Punk how long he had the lump and Punk told him a few months, the doctor told him, "You should be dead."

*Punk talked about how badly hurt he was during his 2011-2014 WWE run and that on two occasions, he literally came out of surgery (and in one story, was walking out of the hospital following knee surgery) to find out he was being brought back almost immediately to TV with no time off. After elbow surgery, he was told he was being brought back to the road and TV to cut promos and after the knee surgery, was told he was being brought back in three weeks to work a TLC match against Ryback. Punk's version of these stories were enough to really make you shake your head and really need to be heard in his own voice.

*Punk described his wrestling career as a failure as he failed to get to the main event of Wrestlemania and that he's come to terms with that as he's moving on to the next stage of his life. He said that it was ridiculous that so many current roster members have not been in the Mania main event position. Punk talked about politicking to get to that level, but it was never about winning or being the guy. He said he needed to get there so he could learn to work at that level and get better, draw more and be an asset to the company. He said he would hear he wasn't a draw, but every chance he had, he "shoved it down their f***ing throats." He said that it all comes down to an "out of touch old man" (Vince McMahon) and his decisions.

*Punk said he knew he had the best match at Wrestlemania 29 and he was praised for it, but he knew he didn't get the money that John Cena, Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Rock, and Triple H got for the show.

*Punk said that for anyone complaining he left WWE in a lurch, he didn't hold WWE up for money and didn't ask for anything and didn't walk out in the middle of a storyline. He was chokeslammed by Kane and he was gone. He went home for his health and sanity, although he did note he was frustrated with seeing smaller checks and not getting answers as to how the WWE Network will change the pay scale. Punk noted that everyone was afraid to ask Vince McMahon and even Randy Orton was coming to him asking if he knew anything.

*Punk said that when WWE fired him and issued him a contract breach, he hired a very "vicious" Los Angeles lawyer to go after WWE to fight the breach and in the end, he got a settlement that gave him everything he asked for "and more." He said he's just not allowed to talk about the settlement, but pretty much made it clear he got everything he wanted and noted it was stupid of WWE to even advertise him for the next WWE 2K15 videogame. He said he is completely done and clear of WWE and they will never, ever have a working relationship ever again.

*Punk said they were terrified that as an independent contract for the last ten years, that he would take them to court and ruin their way of doing business.

*When WWE later asked to issue a joint statement between the two, he told them to "F*** off."

*Punk talked in detail about WWE using the independent contractor status, noting the company does concussion testing to help themselves, not the wrestlers. He noted all the money the NFL Player's Union is forcing the NFL to pay for old injuries and medical concerns of players and that WWE is doing all this to prevent wrestlers from being able to say that they aren't. Punk said that if WWE truly cared for the talents, they would allow a union to be created for the talents.

*Punk also noted that he was to star in "12 Rounds 2" while he was WWE champion. When signing the paperwork, he noticed the filming dates were the same as a WWE European tour and Triple H. Triple H told him that was not the case but he will look into it. The next day, WWE announced Randy Orton would star in the move with HHH never calling Punk to inform him of the change because, as Punk said, "He thinks I'm a piece of sh**." Punk said it was indicative of the lack of respect he was shown by those in the company.

*Punk said wrestling Ryback took "20 years off his life" and talked in detail about how badly hurt he was working with, as Punk described him, "Steroid guy."

*WWE was afraid he was going to TNA, but his lawyer told WWE that he despises wrestling now and will never wrestle again.

Listening now. Wonderful

Holy nuts. I have seen Punk come off as dramatic before... but here that is not the case, if this is true, WWE won't like this interview one bit!

so punk joins piper in wanting a union, i still see punk doing something with ether tna or gfw just to spite vince and hunter.

listening to this atm, lol the Ryback bit

Finally got this. Listened to it. Not surprised Punk comes off as a whiny kid.

Fuck this faggot. Punk ass crybaby bitch.

Man. Vince will be livid. Never say never but chances Punk ever comes back are slim. I only say slim because other guys most thought would never step foot in WWE ring again (Bret, Warrior, Bischoff, Hogan after WCW) came back.

I watched Punk close live at Rumble and thought something was off. This explains a lot.

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Originally Posted by ron the dial (Post 4549833)

oh how i love punk

You love Punk? Are you on drugs or mentally retarded?

it's fairly well documented that i'm on drugs.

From listening to this, it sounds like the doctor needs to lose his license. He let punk wrestle with numerous injuries/concussions that weren't healed. He even let an obvious staph infection go, and just prescribed him some generic antibiotics.

Even if the doctor has to listen to Vince/HHH about what to do, the medical community would not stand for that kind of crap.

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Originally Posted by Bobholly138 (Post 4549826)

Finally got this. Listened to it. Not surprised Punk comes off as a whiny kid.

These are some pretty fucking legit complaints he's got here.

was a good listen, thought Punk did a decent job

Both links were f'd up for me....

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Originally Posted by Clerk (Post 4549829)

Fuck this faggot. Punk ass crybaby bitch.

Choke on a Turkey bone.

Happy Thanksgiving Everybody else!

stuck it to HHH hahaha just like we thought he did.

I somehow knew that the concussion awareness was complete bullshit. They are there simply to avoid bad media coverage. The staph infection thing is pretty unforgivable also, I mean, people legitimately die from staph infections when they aren't treated.

The thing I found crazy is that over the years people in the business have cursed the dirtsheets to death for being muckrakers and for circulating untrue information but every single thing that Punk said about his time there/his heat there we already knew. Just none of it was confirmed. And I KNEW there had to be major heat between Punk and Trips for the Summer of Punk

God fucking damnit I love CM Punk to death.

Damn, has it dropped on the podcast feed on iTunes yet?

Punk isnt welcome in WWE anymore. Quite frankly they dont need him. Guys lije Bryan, Cena, Reigns, Rollins, Ambrose etc are better than Punk. And more mature than his gay ass. If I seen him,in real life Id beat his ass like I did Stone Cold

<font color=goldenrod>Fantastic interview.</font>

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg (Post 4549860)

Damn, has it dropped on the podcast feed on iTunes yet?

Yes, listened to it last night. Had to refresh a ton before it showed.

The story of Punk getting poked in the eye during the Nexus angle then instructing Gallows to kill everybody made me laugh for like an hour.

What a whiny little mark bitch

What a predictable Gertner response.

If this is how WWE actually treats their employees (medically), this might spawn some pretty serious shit.

Well. Not employees, I guess. Independent contractors or whatever. So odd.

Great listen. If nothing else I hope it puts the butt-hurt "he walked out on me" collective straight on why he went.

Pretty damning on Doc Amman with the concussion and MSRA misdiagnosis

I think Punk took the stuff with Ryback a little too personally. I don't think he'd have set out to purposefully injure Punk, I think he is legitimately that sloppy in the ring. Then again, I don't know anything. Maybe Reeves had some kind of issue with Punk.

yeah pretty much. I think the only kind of "criticism" you can maybe level at Punk throughout is that he very much has a "the world is against me"/takes things personally kind of attitude (like I doubt Triple H gives a fuck either way really as opposed to "never liking him") but at the same time that's probably the biggest reason/driving force behind him getting to where he did and accomplishing what he did etc

@XL. I got that impression too. It doen't seem like he did any of it on purpose. On the other side of the coin, a guy that big and that strong can't afford to be that sloppy and occasionally incompetent. He could really hurt somebody.

Nothing will come of this, and WWE and Vince probably won't give a shit.

Naw. Trips sounds like an asshole. Not just because of what Punk says but the stories of his dickery and self-serving behavior are fairly consistent throughout history. The stories are typically always the same. Trips plays the politic game to get what he wants at the expense of others and then when he is confronted about it, he acts like he doesn't know why the person is so angry. Bret has a story like that, the Outlaws told stories like that, Bubba has a similar story, Paul London, Ken Shamrock, Bischoff... The list is fairly long. Everybody knows about the Booker T debacle. Chyna was released a day after finding out Trips had been cheating on her with Steph for over a year. It is pretty consistent.

So AJ is leaving, right? If not... awkward...

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4549887)

So AJ is leaving, right? If not... awkward...

Was thinking the same. So weird if she sticks around. Watch her have a transexual gimmick next week or something for punishment.

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4549887)

So AJ is leaving, right? If not... awkward...

You'd think he'd have her covered in his settlement if she's sticking around.

Then again he might consider that private stuff and if he don't want to speak on it he won't.

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Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 4549891)

You'd think he'd have her covered in his settlement if she's sticking around.

This is really the most plausible explanation. If he already took them to the cleaners with a lawsuit several months ago, and she's still there, I'd imagine there has to be some sort of provision like that.

It probably also doesn't hurt that it seems like she sells a shit ton of merchandise.

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Originally Posted by CSL (Post 4549877)

You're absolutely right about where his driving force comes from but it's also what created his connection with the crowd, at least in my opinion.

It wasn't just that he was speaking his mind and telling some "home truths", he was a guy never given his plaudits, never given the opportunity he thought he deserved, constantly passed over, and under paid. Surely I can't have been the only one that resonated with? It was a connection similar to what we had with Austin.

THE BIG GUY IS HUNGRY (for some high-quality anabolic steroids).

"Try to ruin my wedding day? Happy Thanksgiving fuckheads"

I do find it hilarious that he left WWE for bad conditions where he was over-worked, underpaid, and not given the credit he feels he deserves, and then went to Marvel Comics, who have a history of doing the same thing. Although I don't think Stan Lee ever broke Jack Kirby's ribs or made Steve Ditko work with a staph infection.

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Originally Posted by Nowhere Man (Post 4549911)

We don't know this though... :lol:

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Originally Posted by whiteyford (Post 4549891)

You'd think he'd have her covered in his settlement if she's sticking around.

Covered for what though? I just mean it's an awkward situation backstage. However if they WERE to, as Narc said, saddle her with a tranny gimmick or something, it's not like there could be any provisions to prevent it.

Correct me if I'm wrong; Staph is pretty contagious, more so in an environment where there's a lot of skin-to-skin contact and risk of open wounds. That doc was pretty neglectful.

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan (Post 4549914)

He could have included a "reasonable creative control" clause for her - though Vince would be mad to do that knowing how the last one went!

More so, if they saddle her with a crappy gimmick she just follows Punk out of the door. WWE don't seem to be doing too well when it comes to their recent former employees (see Del Rio, Alberto).

I really don't know why she's stuck around. Her husband is at home now, she's somewhat of an after-thought to Total Divas, and the atmosphere can't be great.

AJ has been consistently involved with the Divas title, consistently in actual storylines/feuds, and has had many PPV matches since her return. Total after-thought to Total Divas, yeah.

You'd say up until this month where the two sides merged that Paige/AJ for the Divas Title hasn't been pushed out in favour of the stuff with Nikki/Brie & Steph?

I also said "somewhat of an after-thought", not a "total after-thought".

The medical stuff is horrible but doubt just firing the head doctor and/or medical staff will change anything. WWE would probably just replace them with a new set of "yes" men type doctors.

Orton supposedly dealt with something similar recently when he tried to get time off only for Vince refusing until it was getting really bad between the two. Think even Reigns hinted at WWE medical being horrible when he revealed his injury and why he didn't get real treatment.

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Originally Posted by XL (Post 4549925)

You'd say up until this month where the two sides merged that Paige/AJ for the Divas Title hasn't been pushed out in favour of the stuff with Nikki/Brie & Steph?

I would say so, yes.

The medical stuff is truly shocking and I'm surprised he hasn't sought malpractice or negligence against the doctor and WWE. The politics stuff is same ol' shit though. Interested in what the terms of his no-compete clause are. Jim Ross and CM Punk could get enough eyeballs to NJPW to jumpstart their push into North America.

I think he'll be back at some point. That carrot of him main eventing WrestleMania is obviously still a big deal to CM Punk. If they'd do it for Batista, Vince would easily do it for Punk and do whatever he needs to if Vince gets desperate for star power.

gotta think if he has any interest in wrestling again that New Japan would be top of the list

CM PUNK IS REALLLLLL

I do not believe he has zero interest in wrestling again. WWE made him come to hate pro wrestling in the global corporation sense, but once those emotional wounds heal...he'll be back in the ring on some level. Does he still own the rights to the CM Punk name or did he sign it over to WWE ala Dudley Boys?

I think he signed it over. But he could have had it signed back to him as part of this settlement.

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 4549937)

I'm not so sure of this now.

I always figured his leaving had a lot to do with injuries & being burnt out more so than it had to with creative. The pot was obviously boiling for some point and the more you add to it, the more likely it will boil over. What we got from this interview was that the pot did boil over and he needed to get away. Now, maybe the way the whole situation was handled wasn't the best (God knows we know that from the Bret/Vince/HBK fiasco), but if there is something wrong health-wise, it should be taken care of immediately. Under assumption that what he said was 100% true, that doctor should lose his license.

The way I viewed it, it kinda sounded like Punk was probably going to come back at some point, but the whole wedding day thing says to me that HHH does not want Punk to ever wrestle for the company again. Therefore, I am confident that he will never be affiliated with the WWE again and if so, it will be a very very long time before it happens. Maybe a HOF induction in 20 years.

If Bret Hart can come back to the company that he felt killed his brother, anybody can come back. I think AJ still pursuing her WWE career will have a lot to do with it also. He may swallow his pride to protect his wife and fulfill his ultimate dream.

Probably not their best timing...

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The interview made it on TMZ, so I imagine that doctor's tenure may come to an abrupt end.

It makes you wonder how many well-wishers and sympathisers he had backstage if people are going through the same kind of things daily...

I can see him back though, to see his career as a failure because of that one thing, it's a massive carrot. A part time schedule and the promise to headline Mania for the title after a Rumble win would mean a lot to a guy who loves and constantly pays tribute to tradition in wrestling.

I sympathise a lot more with him after reading this, some horrible stuff, but at the same time, I can't help but feel that he rates himself as much better than he is. 99.9% of wrestlers in the US would kill for the career he has had. To call it a failure is harsh and makes it seem like he sees himself as one of the best ever, which he wasn't.

He is a lot like Shawn Michaels was in the 90s just without the cocaine and gay porn. His attitude is probably a large reason why he never got everything he wanted while Daniel Bryan did get his "Mania Moment" out of nowhere. Vince wasn't going to be held hostage by CM Punk. He was in breach of contract, so WWE just screwed themselves by dragging their feet in taking action against Punk for it. CM Punk was/is one of the best performers ever though.

It's interesting hearing people say that, I personally never saw that or felt that with Punk.

When you look back at early WWF, Hogan and Warrior had reactions like no-one else, it was crazy. You had performers in the ring like Savage and Perfect who were just amazing athletes and their matches were so smooth.

Later you had Michaels and Hart. HBK speaks for himself, Hart has tarnished his legacy with the chip on his shoulder, but I always loved his matches and stories in the ring.

Then later you have the Attitude era, which was just stacked, Austin, Rock, Angle, HHH, Undertaker etc...

Then you have the likes of Flair and Sting to consider too.

Again, it might just be a question of personal taste, but I wouldn't put Punk on the same level as any of those guys. He was a great hand and put on some top matches, but I wouldn't class him as one of the best.

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Originally Posted by Maluco (Post 4549962)

The stuff about the Network and WWE doing their best to not tell anyone how bad it could affect their pay alone probably got a lot of sympathizers.

Dirtsheets had teased several times the locker room was getting really unhappy and how almost none of the top tier stars cared enough to question or complain about it. Something about top stars having safety nets in their deals to cover whatever the Network could potential take out.

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 4549963)

Punk isn't remotely one of the best ever.

Thoroughly entertained by the entire episode. And i'd like to think that a response from WWE to any of the issues raised would somehow confirm Punk's version of the truth. Of course, it doesn't need to be a statement. It could be Dr Amman's termination, punishment for any one on Team Punk, a well timed corporate campaign, a possible plug on any major news channels, anything.

Punk on Cabana's podcast is an excellent chess move. It'll NOT be seen as a shoot interview. It WILL gain traction. Some scribe out there will try and get 'the real picture' of WWE's health and fitness team. And while Punk wouldn't want to call it a 'pipebomb' anymore, this podcast will be remembered as one.

Also, Benoit loved popping zits?

I've tried listening today, but it won't play. Has anybody else had this problem? Have they taken it down?

It's on YouTube

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zxHRJnZsinQ

I can't embed right now, but you can use your mod powers to embed it in this post if you want.

I'll fix it later, I'm on my phone :y:

You want me to send you a cassette tape of this Tazz Dan?

:lol: <font color=goldenrod>Ryback</font>

I don't see a denial.

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Originally Posted by James Steele (Post 4549958)

The interview made it on TMZ, so I imagine that doctor's tenure may come to an abrupt end.

Maybe. He did save King's life though. It will probably be blamed on Punk's non-disclosure. It took AJ to get him off his ass to see a doctor about it.

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4549995)

I don't see a denial.

Yup, there definitely isn't one.

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Originally Posted by Shisen Kopf (Post 4549981)

You want me to send you a cassette tape of this Tazz Dan?

Could you send me an 8-track?

Could someone transcribe it via telegraph?

Lol Ryback is fantastic

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4550008)

What an assclown.

Punk's story is believable Ryback was greener than gooseshit when they feuded.

I agree that he was greener than gooseshit, but how was he? Wasn't he in developmental since he was on Tough Enough? He was in OVW or whatever other development feds they had too. He probably is pretty dumb.

FEED ME MORE (lead paint chips).

Punk has always been and will always be a spoiled brat who runs away the moment he doesn't get his way, then screams about how he's being mistreated. He was given more opportunity than the majority of the WWE roster to succeed and it still wasn't enough to satisfy his massive ego. Goor riddance to garbage. Now vanish back into obscurity.

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Originally Posted by AJ lee's (Post 4550019)

Jealousy that he's fucking your dream girl and namesake. Get over it.

Punk has some legit gripes. But hey, whatever.

In all fairness I'd be pretty pissed if a guy shit all over me the way Punk did Ryback, whether he was right or wrong.

I've supported Punk from the moment he quit. I'm not his biggest fan but I definitely think he's a great talent and enjoy his work, but I always respect someone who isn't an asskisser and at least has the balls to tell Vince and Hunter to go fuck themselves. There needs to be more of these guys for wrestling to get any better.

Punk's story sounds totally believable here. Almost every wrestler in history has come out in retirement and had bad things to say about the WWE. Fact is Punk is probably telling the truth (albeit with a bit of his "I'm the victim" personality shining through).

Ryback is probably just having the typical human reaction to being called out on stupidity. He almost certainly did fuck up, and anyone who's ever fucked up and been called on it has had the same reaction of "I didn't do anything wrong/you're just a crybaby". Also probably has something to do with him not wanting his renewed push (or what's left of it) to stop.

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Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 4550026)

Yeah. Ryback needs to stick up for himself and not look weak. The weird thing about him sticking up for himself in this instance is that the WWE may punish him for going off script about doing so, when it is in his best interest to do it.

Just all of the counterproductive and illogical shit that Punk laid out in the podcast are really hard to comprehend.

At the end of the day, it's the same as any corporation, whether it's retail or it's pro wrasslin. A lot of the mandates are fucking bullshit and illogical, it's just the way the world works #capitalism.

People think "this business" (aka wrasslin) is somehow different in its ridiculousness but it is not, it is just like anything else, aka a crock of shit. I think Damien Sandow made this point in a "shoot". If you go in understanding this, you'll probably succeed, and is why someone like Sandow will succeed in life, whether it be as a wrassler or something else.

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Originally Posted by Gorgeous Dale Newstead (Post 4550026)

Ryback started it he did another lame action figure thing a few months ago. Passive Aggressiveness. Punk actually said what was bothering him about Ryback. He even sort of stood up for his bad booking in the interview it seemed.

Ryback finally said something but he had already pussied out twice with action figures instead of words.

I wouldn't sweat it, Ryback will likely be back jobbing to El Torito in a couple of months ;)

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Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon (Post 4550012)

Punk's story is believable Ryback was greener than gooseshit when they feuded.

Again, I don't think Ryback is denying that he hurt Punk.