What is it that Cesaro is supposedly "missing"?
 

The man is a fucking animal. The best in-ring performer in WWE today. All I keep hearing about is how he's missing that "one thing", though. I don't buy I. I feel like every time he has had a great amount of momentum, he's been given absolute garbage to work with for no reason. Even small things like taking away his first name and giving him the shittiest theme song of all time (when he already had a great one) makes me think that somebody just doesn't like him for some reason.

My theory aside, what do you think will really "fix" Cesaro? The man should be at the absolute top of the WWE food chain.

I would say consistant booking.

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Consistant booking, a time to work with someone important, and have the feud last at least 3-4 months, to have him improve by that time.

I would say this too. I don't like how it is being misconstrued as his fault.

Improve on WHAT, though? He's the best.

Pretty much this.

The guy was on fire when they were teasing his face turn around Wrestlemania time. He had the entire crowd popping for him when he lifted Big Show over the top rope. The guy can wrestle, he has the strength and creativity to pull off some amazing and unique moves, and despite what people say I believe he has tonnes of charisma and can cut a promo.

The biggest issue? He's not John Cena, Randy Orton or Brock Lesnar. He's not one of WWE's "elite" performers, so he'll constantly be shuffled around between storylines.

I agree with ABT though. Guy is a fucking beast and should be at the top of the food chain in WWE. Cesaro, I mean. Not ABT.

Me neither, he has pretty much the "whole package." They do the same in a sense with Ziggler...they push him a bit, let him cool off, push him a bit, let him cool of, etc, etc, etc....give him more mic time and a good program and I think he's set.

Mic skills. He still a bit lacks them. With all due honesty.

Even Randy Orton hasn't been booked all that consistently, but you can tell he's definitely higher up on the totem pole.

Remember when Cesaro beat Orton on Smackdown and had that banger with Cena on Raw? I know it was just to build him as a "threat" for the Elimination Chamber, but if they didn't see anything in those two matches alone, I'm not really sure what the fuck they're looking for.

He's lacking the key element that WWE are looking for.

Youth.

At 33, I'm sure in WWE's eyes he's already passed his sell-by date and isn't a hot prospect for the future.

How would you really know, though? When has he been given significant mic time in a program of any importance or continuity?

Anyone will sound awkward if they're just talking about how they're going to beat someone up in a one-off match on Main Event, or whatever.

Cesaro's mic skills are fine. Not everyone on the roster can be CM Punk/John Cena/The Rock etc.

Good thing they got Sting, then.

Sting has history and some name value on his side. People will pay to see Sting in a dream match at Wrestlemania.

Cesaro doesn't quite have that going for him.

Just to go out there, KENTA is 33 years old and he seems to be doing fine in NXT. Daniel Bryan is 33 years old, and he held the belt this year. John Cena who constantly gets title shots his 37 years old, and he is getting another title shot with Brock Lesnar, who is also 37 years old. So your comment is a bit invalid.

Because they book him like a chump.

Cena is "the man" right now, so his age is totally irrelevant, same for Lesnar. They both have history and name value. Hideo Itami is doing well for himself right now in NXT, but unless he can pull out a huge Daniel Bryan-esque gimmick that catches on big time, I don't think he'll be headlining any major PPV's any time soon.

Daniel Bryan is a rare exception in that his "yes" thing really caught on when he was 30/31, which built up to a point that WWE couldn't ignore it anymore.

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Cesaro's swing was catching on, but WWE made it seem lame, just like they always do when something gets popular.

I wish I had the answer, because Cesaro is IMO the best all-around talent on their roster.

You do realize that while Cena was the man for the last 5-7 years, Triple H who was in his late 30s and early 40s was also winning the WWE Championship? And even Undertaker was winning championships in his late 30s and early 40s. Randy Orton also won the championship in his early 30s. A lot of the wrestlers won the WWE Championship at their 30s and 40s. Just recently you head The Rock win a WWE Championship at the age of 38.

And all of these men have histories with the company, dating back to their 20's.

And yet you still miss the point that their prime as far as competitors and stardom came in their 30s. :shifty:

I think you're missing the point that I'm making. I'm not disputing when these men had their primes.

I think what Rammsteinmad is saying is, those guys have built up that level of trust with the company/Vince, through their years of service, so he's confident in booking them consistently in their 30s and onward because he knows they are a proven commodity.

They may be wary to bestow that level of responsibility on Cesaro because by the time he "accrues" that level of service he'll already be feasibly past his prime, so it may seem like a wasted investment in their eyes.

I'd like to see Cesaro win the Rumble.

He did an interview in October saying Cena vs. Orton for the 500th time is boring and that fans want something new and exciting. He hasn't won since.

And that might be another reason. Ziggler did the same thing on Twitter and was jobbing for quite some time now, and I think Cesaro is getting the same treatment. Maybe CM Punk was right and the writers do go 'oh, I don't like this guy, I'm not going to write anything for him'.

Shit-talking your boss in public is never a great career move (see: Simmons, Bill)

Pretty much this. Not only a level of trust, but a level of "overness" with the audience. Unless the fans begin chanting for Cesaro during other peoples matches, I don't see a huge push coming for him.

Remember a few years ago just before Triple H started to gain some serious backstage power, when they had that whole "youth initiative" going on, where they were only looking for new wrestlers to sign who were under the age of 30?

Such a glorious theme :'(

But he's fucking right, though. Vince acts like he encourages people to speak up, but when they do, they get the bone. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is never a great business move either.

Vince never really struck me as the super progressive type that would be able to look past his own ego, regardless of how much lip service he gives otherwise

Well, if Vince wants someone to get over, why not do a more effective booking? He did that with Cena in 2002-2005, so why not do the same with Cesaro?

Maybe it's just racism?

He is missing the ability to not have an accent when he speaks.

Coz Vince may not specifically care for Cesaro getting over.

True. It's getting really fucking frustrating, though.

Sheamus?

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I'm sure Michael Hayes has a little something to do with it.

Sheamus is not an A-list player.

Did they not really try and push him as such, though? They tried.

I would watch Cesaro v. Sheamus all day, for the record.

Michael Hayes seems to be a litlte racist, and a little bit sexist at times. :eek:

He's definitely missing a well developed character, which is no fault of his own as he's usually given horrible shit to work with. As it stands he is an ultra violent rugby playing patriotic American European yodeller who is actually really strong and likes Paul Heyman as a friend.

^ I'm sold on that

:lol:

Right.

Sheamus was a Triple H project. Triple H is cool with accents. Vince is not.

... and loves to play follow the leader after The Authority.

(thought I'd add that, since it's kinda relevant...)

Aren't Sheamus and HHH good buddies backstage?

The Authority treated Cesaro like an annoying little kid brother who wanted to play with them, but they just kinda tussled his "hair" and sent him along his way.

Have you seen West Side Story? That one dude's little sister in the Jets wanted to be in the gang, and they just kinda laughed at her. That was Cesaro to the Authority. They kept Joey Mercury around, though.

And Jamie Noble...:shifty:

Well, Jamie Noble is a fucking badass. That makes sense.

How dare you roll your eyes at JAMIE NOBLE BOY!!!!


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It depends on where you think he should be on the card.

What is he missing that is keeping him from being an upper card mainstay and a guy you can plug into a main event feud here and there? Halfway decent booking.

As far as being at the absolute top though, he just doesn't have the charisma, flashy personality, movie star looks and mainstream appeal to be there and his potential will always be a notch below guys who "represent" the company.

It was bound to happen you and I agree on another shitty theme
and this one might actually be worse than "Modest"

It's bc they never let him have a finisher called The Swiss Cheese. It would be exactly like the Garvin Stomp only more Swiss.

Roman Reigns only has one of those things but I guess that enough.

He's just not good enough on the mic, and doesn't have a unique enough gimmick/look to get away with it.

Reigns arguably has the last two. Which might be the most important ones to them. But I've got a feeling once they're forced to take the blinders off and recognize his lack of the other two, they're gonna be looking for a new star to make at WrestleMania 32.

He is definitely better on the mic than Roman though, who they are sending to acting school basically... And honestly, I think Cesaro is more naturally charismatic than a lot of guys pushed ahead of him. Roman, Rollins, Ryback, etc, aren't as naturally charismatic. They sound really... awkward. But if you just listen to Cesaro actually talk, not on a mic, but just a normal conversation, the guy is charismatic as fuck

I've completely given up on trying to figure out why certain guys have been stagnant. Can't really relate logic or reason to the WWE booking team.

I've yet to see an even average interview from Cesaro. He sounds like a foreign guy reading from a book.

He was pretty good in that video where he went around town just talking shit about everything. But even then, he didn't rock my socks or anything.

He could be great, but I do agree with others that he needs to improve a bit on the stick.

it might help if they, you know, let him talk on raw/smackdown a bit more often so that he can improve.

I want to like Roman but shoving him in peoples faces when he really isn't ready is a dumb idea and fans (mostly male) are already starting to turn on him. A flying punch and a Spear can only be so entertaining, it's funny how many huge weaknesses being in the Shield helped cover up for him he was perfect in that group.


As for Cesaro the crowd loves him when he shows just how much of a beast he is and at several points they rallied behind him but I guess Vince and co were too busy drooling over Roman to capitalize I agree he needs work but he is miles ahead of the WWEs new golden boy.

I didn't understand why he didn't have a payoff match when him and Sheamus were fueding over the United States Title back in the middle of the year. Even after Sheamus beat Cesaro at Payback, they still seemed to be fueding.

Then also the whole not being a Heyman guy anymore did piss me off.

I think humanizing Reigns didn't help much either. He orginaly got over because he was just this unstoppable, angry wrecking machine, smashing people's faces.

But having him do all these sappy interviews via satellite have kind of hurt that image, imo.

I think this gives us an interesting discussion on how you define charisma. I read this, and I know exactly what you mean, but I read this and I totally disagree with it.

Ryback has loads of charisma I think. He has an aura about him, it's a different type of charisma, but he definitely has it, and it gives him a presence that Cesaro doesn't have.

I also think Rollins is really charismatic, but again, in a different way. He carries himself in this cocky way, he has an arrogance which makes him a natural heel and he is convincing in his role. It is hard to define, an intangible. I think charisma is a lot more than the ability to talk. Take Ultimate Warrior for example, terrible promos, but you watched because he had charisma coming out of his ass. All he had was a look and charisma and it carried him far.

I really like Cesaro, he is a great worker, but he does come off as a bit boring. He doesn't have the presence of Ryback, and he doesn't carry himself like Rollins. It is a bit of a cop out, but he does seem to lack any edge or natural charisma, regardless of his mic work. People can point to the swing getting over, but could it have been the move more than Cesaro?

True, but Roger Goddell isn't Bill Simmons's Boss. It's dirty that ESPN suspended Simmons for what he said. Cesaro and Simmons both told the truth. Simmons should never have been suspended for what he said on his podcast. Goddell is a fucking liar. He should be fired. He had the podcast before he ever was with ESPN. They wanted to grab his dick and jump on getting the show in their podcast offerings. They knew he was controversial when they signed him. They wouldn't even have podcasts without him.

Not to totally derail this, but ESPN suspended him because he basically "called them out" on the podcast; he has said numerous things about Goodell since the suspension was over

They need to stop writing promos and expect them to read the stuff verbatim, reading someone elses words will always come across awkwardly, give them bullet points and stress things that need to be mentioned and let the talent get the message across in their own voice and maybe catch fire organically.

The thing he is missing is the ineffable thing that makes someone a star. That creates new viewers.

Fuck yes, this needs to stop. Promos started being shit when they began writing them out for guys. Promos suddenly went from being something guys could use to make themselves a star to just a part of a character that's now up to some boring, shitty writers who use the same basic formula for everyone.

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"It was a Vince McMahon decision for Charlotte to lose and there was a feeling that if Triple H had his way, Charlotte would have went over. In the tag match, Charlotte was the one who would have scored the pinfall for her team. When it was changed to a singles match, Natalya reportedly asked to lose the match because she felt it was the right thing.Vince decided against it and Triple H sort of defended the move, bringing up the timing issues and saying that in six months when they bring Charlotte in again, people won't remember this happened."

If there's a problem with Cesaro, it's that he's a wrestler first and everything else second, on a wrestling show whose Chairman doesn't want to be associated with wrestling. Vince McMahon wants superheroes and action figures, which is why he's still so intent on pushing a human piece of driftwood like Roman Reigns, even though he can barely string a whole sentence together.

Cesaro absolutely beasts people in the ring and the crowd loves him for it, but he can't (or isn't willing to) be made into some wacky, larger-than-life cartoon character-- try to imagine Cesaro doing the hot-dog cart attack schtick that Dean Ambrose was doing, or a segment of Cesaro doing John Cena's ha-ha-larious Photoshop Funnies or whatever. He's a guy who is so phenomenally good at wrestling that he keeps getting over with the crowd even though he's given nothing to work with, but the actual wrestling has never really been WWE's focus.

Dude should've stayed on NXT after the Sami Zayn feud and just been a god there. At least then he'd be on the show that everyone loves, instead of losing every match for like three months and having his employer publicly throw him under the bus on a podcast.

Lol yes, he should have stayed in the minors. Smart business decision

He gets paid the same. Wouldn't have hurt to work on a gimmick down there.

Well, that's the dilemma: have a couple hundred people see you as awesome, or have a couple million people see you as a loser? At least the handful of people who saw him in the minor leagues might go out of their way to see him again in the future-- I seriously doubt your average wrestling fan would pay money to see the return of, say, JTG. So yeah, getting a bigger paycheck in WWE is better for him in the short term, but being punted down the card and made to look like a total jobber while he's there isn't doing him any favors when it comes to being able to market himself in the long term.

He does not remotely get paid the same

That's ridiculous. You can always re-push a star.

He's gotta become a star first.

He's a great supporting act. Nothing wrong with that at all. The company badly needs a better mid-upper card.

I do really like his team with Kidd.

They should call themselves "Forced Personality"

I could name afew. Needs to get bigger. Needs to shave himself bald. Better in ring skills. He needs to learn from guys like Cena, Koofi, the ryback big guy.

He did shave himself bald..... and I preferred him how he was before.

Like, I've heard Reigns talk outside of a written promo, like regular interview, and dude is charismatic as hell. Writing some shit for another guy always seemed odd to me.

But I think once the office decides what they want to do (aahahahahahahahaha) with his character, he'll be easier to write for.

You're clearly trolling here. It might be impossible to find better in-ring skills anywhere in the world. I'll take any other gripe with Cesaro from people, but not that one.

Cesaro is my favorite wrestler in the world to watch. One of the WWE's biggest blunders in 2014 was not simply going with Cesaro vs. Swagger at Extreme Rules, in my opinion. The match was RIGHT THERE! They added RVD because they wanted a traditional face in there, I guess, but people were willing to see Cesaro vs. Swagger on its own.

Then they (presumably) put the cuffs on Heyman, who went from calling Cesaro "the next WWE World Heavyweight Champion" to "the next top tier talent" to only really mentioning Brock Lesnar whenever they were out there together. Then Cesaro would wrestle whoever the mid-card champion was and lose all the time. And then there is that shitty theme.

It really should have been Brock vs. Bryan and Cena vs. Cesaro at WrestleMania 31, in my opinion. Whenever Cesaro and Cena wrestle, it is gold. Instead, Cesaro is going to find himself lucky to be on the card. This team with Tyson Kidd has some legs, and if it gets over, both guys could find themselves benefitting. They might find themselves worked into a four-way tag team program for Mania or something.

I mean come on,Vince has to be willfully dumb to just ignore this

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Cesaro is missing what the majority of the roster is missing.... decent booking.....

He's missing the fact that he wasn't made by WWE. Vince loves the stars that Vince makes. Cesaro was very over in the indy scene, and could have went to TNA to be in their main event. It's just Vince likes guys like Orton, Cena, HBK, The Rock, Lesnar, guys he can take the lion's share of the credit for. Yea, there are exceptions to this rule, but they're few and far between.

Cesaro's history is not too much different to Dean Ambrose or Seth Rollins's history, and Vince seems high on them.

Cesaro and Kidd have been using the name "Masters of the WWE Universe" as a tag team name, which was my suggested name for a main roster Cesaro/Kassius Ohno team. :y:

I love Kidd and am so glad he has found his personality, but Cesaro should really be in a better position.

Cesaro could have been HUUUUUUUUUUGE
 

Cesaro isn't missing anything. Period.


Cesaro should have kept Jack Swagger's theme music (with Swagger getting a new theme), and he also should have kept doing that 'Airplane' move or whatever it's called.


Cesaro should have stayed face, and I honestly believe that if the WWE had done things correctly with Cesaro, then he could have easily been made to believably go over Lesnar at this year's Mania. Boom - new star created.

Kidd should wear the He-Man grey "armor" thingy on his chest with fur trunks and boots, and Cesaro wears a red mask and green/yellow gear inspired by Battle Cat. I would have said Cesaro should be He-Man, but a) it's not as funny and b) Cesaro could carry Kidd down to the ring, not the other way around.

Add in Nattie dressing as Teela or The Sorceress, and there you have it!

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