BREAKING: John Cena OUT w/ injury, to require shoulder surgery
 

I guess for my first WM I "can't see him"

He'll be in the Rumble and bury everyone bad shoulder and all and win the title :nono:

I hope he does and then urinates in Dean Ambrose's mouth

Wrestlemania 32: The year new stars had to be pushed... And The Rock.

WWE Headquarters right now:

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There's only one man who can save Wrestlemania 32 now...

Wouldn't happen, but would LOVE to see a one off match between Brock Lesnar and Minoru Suzuki. Don't even bother informing Cole who Suzuki is, just refer to him as a "Japanese Star."

Suzuki holds his own, as JBL is like "the name sounds familiar, Maggle." Two Germans. Lesnar attempts a third, but Suzuki counters with a front flip into a knee bar. Then JBL remembers that Suzuki was a former student of Karl Gotch and an MMA legend.

Dunno, for some reason, the match seems awesome on paper.

Wow! That sucks for the WWE. I must applaud them for not debuting top NXT stars just to fill up the void.

So that scratches the possible Rumble winners to just Reigns, Triple H, and Lesnar now?

At least it explains why he barely was used for RAW and Smackdown this week.

That is all gravy compared to what would be the greatest entrance ever

Hate to say it, but it looks like the writing on the wall is becoming ever larger and clearer for Cena.

AJ Styles should win the Rumble

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According to reports, Cena has a torn rotator cuff. Normal recovery is between 3-6 months but because of his situation, its more towards 6-9 months out. Dr James Andrews is rumored to be the one doing the surgery.

If anything was going to convince them bring Bryan back, it's this. If he's not back after the Rumble, to avoid the hijack, there's not much of a chance. If he's not back by the night after Wrestlemania? He's gone.

I bet we get Taker vs Bram Strowman or Kane for his final match

Is John Cena more popular now due to the internet meme?

He's more accepted on the internet now, because his game has been on point for around the last 4 years. Every match is anywhere from good to phenomenal, and while he still cracks the silly jokes for the kids, when his promos get serious they're the best in the business.

He's more likable now because you only see him once a show and he doesn't feel 'forced down your throat'. Now I look forward to his one appearance instead of being tired of him by the end of the show.

That fucking SUCKS. Timing of that is truly awful, and we are now down to 4 top level stars who are available to wrestle at Mania.

I can't tell if this is going to be a good thing post-Mania or not. Cena being out the picture you would think forces their hand to build new stars, but I thought the same thing three months ago and we got Sheamus as World Champion and record low ratings. Just looking past whatever they do for Mania, what do they have for Roman Reigns after he beats HHH?

Mania needs to shape up to be heel Reigns vs face Ambrose. Reigns sells out to retain at the Rumble, screwing Ambrose in the process (he can say he finally realized he'did rather be champion with the Authority than be screwed out of it by them, even re-hash Rollins' "buy in" promo.) Ambrose as the runner up seems poised to be #1 contender but has to win a Fatal 4 way or something before getting to Mania (or a 1-on-1 against Sheamus or even HHH.)

This is smelling like a work for him to show up in the Mania main event and turn the tide

Seriously? They're going to work their highest full-time draw into an injury to do a run-in at the biggest show of the year.

"Mind if I cut in?"

Triple H to main event at this point. They're so low depth wise, with little time to get guys built up, I can't see how else they find a suitable main eventer to go against Reigns. You could do Lesnar but I feel like the crowd would just turn on Reigns again.

In an attempt to build Roman as the sole Face for the next few months, yes. The next time Cena comes back should be huge and game changing.

Roman vs Del Rio?.... i dunno

We might get Taker vs Harper, now.

Pretty bad break for WWE. It's incredible how unlucky they have been lately.

They have to hope Rocky can work at Mania.

You could still do HHH v Reigns for the title, Brock v Rock as a special attraction, and Taker v someone like Owens.

WM32 Guest Host: The Rock

WWE Title
Roman Reigns (c) v. HHH

Undertaker's Last Ride
Undertaker v. Bram Strowman

No DQ, No Countout
Brock Lesnar v. Kevin Owens

Andre Battle Royal
20 wrestlers

Tag Team Match
New Day v. all the tag teams

US Title
Alberto Del Rio (c) v. Chris Jericho

IC Title
Dean Ambrose (c) v. Sheamus

Diva's Match
multiple divas in a match

I think we'll have 2 divas matches this year and a lame attempt to show the divas revolution worked.... Maybe one is on the pre-show.

Is Becky Lynch the only diva to be featured on Raw consistently to not have a heel run in 2015?

You're a stupid dumbass.

Strowman is being built up as a monster...going to eliminate a ton of people in the Royal Rumble this year...really the only other option for Undertaker's Last Ride is The Demon KANE...Taker/Kane already had their moment together at Survivor Series, Strowman fits.

The Rock helping Roman perhaps as well. I'm kind of glad they slow burned Dean last year. He really is a vital piece of the future main event scene.

With cena, Rollins, orton, sting and ceasaro all out of action does this hurt the chances of breaking wm3 attendance record ?

No, they will still likely do that. Most WM tickets are bought in advance and WM sells itself on name each year.

No, because the numbers are made up anyways.

doesn't matter.... Cena is coming back at the Rumble bad shoulder and all and burying everyone to win the belt

shut the fuck up owenbrown

oops, ron said my name again, road doggy dogg is gonna neg him :roll:

Allow me RDD

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Didn't you spell "buried" wrong? ;)

Yeah they did him a service by holding him back while Roman & Seth took their places at the top. If every one stays healthy they can do the Shield 3-way for the title at WM33.

What is it lame?

Women's wrestling has never been better in WWE history.

HHH vs Reigns is a worthy Mania main event given the build.

It doesn't help but i think they will still break the attendance record.

Right, Cesaro's presence or absence is really going to swing the attendance either way.

#seewhatididthere

He would have sold another 90K tickets, but WWE doesn't know how to book, right?

I haven't been keeping the best track of what is going on, but I feel this will leave the WrestleMania card looking something like this:

* Brock Lesnar (c) vs. The Rock for the WWE Title

* Triple H vs. Roman Reigns

* The Undertaker vs. Kevin Owens

* Dean Ambrose (c) vs. Chris Jericho for the Intercontinental Title

* Stone Cold Steve Austin segment where he is confronted by Bray Wyatt -- Finn Balor & Hideo Itami make the save and look like bad-asses for hanging out with Austin

* Charlotte (c) vs. Becky Lynch vs. Sasha Banks vs. Paige for the Divas Title

* Alberto Del Rio (c) vs. a bunch of other guys in a Ladder Match for the US Title (if I had to guess: Dolph Ziggler, Sheamus, King Barrett, Neville, Rusev, Kofi Kingston and Stardust)

* The New Day vs. a bunch of tag teams for the Tag Team Titles (probably The Usos, The Dudleys and The Wyatt Family)

* Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal won by Bray Wyatt

And, for those wondering, this is what they could do for the Takeover show:

* Finn Balor (c) vs. AJ Styles for the NXT Title

* Dash & Dawson vs. Enzo & Cass vs. Jordan & Gable vs. The Vaudevillains

* Bayley (c) vs. Asuka

* Samoa Joe vs. Baron Corbin vs. Apollo Crews

* Sami Zayn vs. Hideo Itami

* Kalisto vs. La Sombra

Predictions for booking:

* The Wyatt Family win the Tag Team Titles

* Rusev wins the US Title

* Becky Lynch wins the Divas Title

* Ambrose retains the IC Title

* Owens defeats The Undertaker

* Reigns defeats Triple H

* The Rock plays Obi-Wan to Brock's Darth Vader, setting up Brock vs. Reigns.

How many divas storylines do we have going on? Im not sure because i havent been paying attention

Yeah, remember how awful it was when they had no-talent hacks like Victoria, Trish and Lita? Come the fuck on, dude. You can do better than that.

if we're including nxt, present day wwe women's wreslting is by far the best they've ever presented overall. even with the initial clusterfuck diva's revolution booking.

They were doing 4 minute matches. You have rose tinted glasses on.

But they were 4 minute bra and panty matches!

Poonani.

4 minutes is all you need ;)

Primarily the focus is on Charlotte turning full heel on Becky, and Becky trying to overcome outside interference from Ric. I got a feeling it will lead to a cage match at some point.

Characters are better today. Trish was really good, she could hang with the girls today. Lita too. The rest wee mediocre.

We've never had a lineup as deep as Charlotte, Becky, Paige, Nikki, Banks, Bayley, the Osuka, etc.

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Remember 2 years ago or so we had 4 divas storylines going on?
Naomi vs Cameron
Layla vs Summer Ray
Bella vs Bella
and the Divas title picture?

That was a moment when the divas scene had more going on for it over this "Divas Revolution"

Trish, Lita, Gail Kim, Victoria, Mickey James, and there supporting divas was a pretty deep group of women and every one could come in and "hang" with todays divas. The only thing that has come of the self proclaimed Divas Revolution is longer matches. They still cant decide what women they want to be heel or face and they switch weekly. There is depth in the Divas division but its not filled with deep talent.

Disagree entirely. Back when, you had Trish, Lita, Steph, Ivory, Jazz, Jacqueline, Victoria, Torrie, Mickie James, Michelle McCool, Gail Kim, Layla, Maria...best "era" was from c.1999-2010, IMHO.

To me right now you're arguing quantity over quality.

The Bella feud was among the worst things of that year.

Current crop has Charlotte, who might be the best athlete in Divas division history. Then you have Banks and Bayley who just won match of the year for NXT. I don't think any of the aforementioned matches would be considered match of the day much less match of the year.

I just think the crop of talent is overall better today than any period in history.

Yeah that crop was decent. I would still take today's girls over any of them.

Agree to disagree

Also lets not put the Year 2000 in this discussion which had Steph hold the title for 6 months.

Yes but you also had AJ Lee vs Paige for that time period as well.

Yeah, Paige surprising AJ on RAW and subsequently beating AJ for the Divas championship is probably the most memorable moment in non-NXT Women's Division competition in the last 3 years.

Decent? Trish and Lita are in the Hall of Fame and Victoria will probably go in this year. Gail Kim is probably the best womens wrestler on the planet. Mickey James is the only one that could be called decent in my opinion. Todays women are still very talented but are also very green. Charlotte is super athletic but is still very green but working with her dad is helping a bit. The Bellas have alway been dredful in the ring and have just recently stated to get better but still flip heel/face all the time. Paige and Sascha are the only two I think could step in with the women metioned above and fit right in I believe. Becky has alot of potintial but I dont think WWE has let her spread her wings yet.

The talent crop was amazing back then, but a lot of the stories left a lot to be desired. Gail Kim was treated like shit. A lot of the girls actually got a decent run, but it never had the feeling it was "important."

Has there ever been a Diva that hasn't got the womens/divas title that should have?

Kharma should have been Women's Champion forever, but I suppose her run wasn't extended enough.

Katie Lea was a talented worker and good looking lass that never got a token run.

Maxine and Johnny Curtis should have been duel champions at the top of their divisions, probably should have given them a brief "Power Trip" style run with the tag belts too.

Johnny Curtis and Maxine oozed sexual chemistry together. Sincerely would have liked to have seen Curtis with the IC Title and Maxine by his side. Not sure if she was good enough in the ring to be the Divas Champ though.

Another revised WrestleMania card:

WWE World Heavyweight Championship
Brock Lesnar (c) vs. Batista

-Brock wins the Rumble and Heyman cuts promos about how Brock has destroyed everybody in the WWE, and there's no one left. Cue Batista walking to the ring and calmly introducing himself. Match set. The Beast vs. The Animal.

No Holds Barred Match
Triple H vs. Roman Reigns

-The Game returns and costs Reigns the Rumble, just as it looks like he is about to get on a roll. This is no longer about The Authority and Reigns' potential to carry the WWE into the future. Reigns knows he's good enough, Triple H knows he's good enough, but he is that damn good? They do a good job with the video packages on this one, showing Triple H's rivalry with The Rock, his early influence in Reigns' Shield career, right down to the splintering off and the more recent physical altercations. Triple H gets an epic Motorhead entrance as a tribute to Lemmy. The finish sees Triple H going to blast Reigns with the sledgehammer, but Reigns catching him with a Spear before he can and getting the win. Reigns earns Triple H's respect, and he evolves into something more like his NXT character (wishful thinking).

The Undertaker vs. Bray Wyatt

-I originally had this as a Casket Match, but let's be honest -- those suck. Remove the road blocks from these guys and let them improve on their Mania outing from last year. I'm stealing this idea from a great poster here, but Bray tells The Family he doesn't want their help for this match. He needs to prove things to himself. And the finish is what #1-wwf-fan suggested they do at WrestleMania last year -- Taker gets Wyatt in the Hell's Gate, and Bray starts laughing as he fades. Taker wins the match, but Wyatt gets some measure of moral victory over Taker. The next night on RAW, The Family turns on Wyatt and aligns themselves as believers in The Undertaker. This leads to Bray eventually battling through them and finally earning absolution by beating The Undertaker -- whether this be at SummerSlam or WrestleMania the following year.

In-Ring Segment
The Rock comes out to greet The People

-You're going to have your big stars at WrestleMania. I don't know if you have this segment start off with The Social Outcasts trying to hold up WrestleMania, or a Miz promo, but somehow you get The Rock out there, soon to be joined by Stone Cold Steve Austin. They exchange barbs with each other, and take it turns dressing down The Outcasts (my personal picks). It's Rock Bottoms and Stunners for them all, before some new music hits, and out comes AJ Styles, Karl Anderson & Luke Gallows. The Bullet Club makes their debut by dismantling Austin and Rock in the middle of the ring -- a symbolic gesture of the changing times.

Fatal 4-Way Match for the Divas Championship
Becky Lynch (c) vs. Charlotte vs. Sasha Banks vs. Paige

-I've got the Divas Title going over to Becky before WrestleMania, because I think they might need to give her a moment before then before she fizzles out or gets the reputation of a loser. Charlotte could be fine as a heel chasing the belt back, Sasha would be fine as a heel chasing the belt (with merit to her name), and Paige would be fine as a whiny entitled heel chasing. Fans are going to cheer Banks regardless, so having moments where she and Becky regard each other and re-unite Team BAE temporarily could be pretty awesome. Stephanie McMahon makes her presence felt and somehow helps Sasha Banks walk out with the Divas Title, re-affirming her heel status.

Triple Threat Match for the Intercontinental Championship
Dean Ambrose (c) vs. Chris Jericho vs. Shinsuke Nakamura

-This seems like a really natural choice for WrestleMania to me. When Nakamura debuts, he wants to go right after Dean Ambrose and the IC Title, since he's the undefeated IWGP IC Champion. Ambrose would have no problem putting the belt on the line against Nakamura, and the interactions between the two could be electric. A guy who does have a problem with it, is Chris Jericho -- revealing himself to be a more depserate veteran than we imagine, and a man who feels entitled to a 10th IC Title reign. The three are confirmed for a match against each other, which is not Nakamura's element, puts Ambrose at a disadvantage, and Jericho's just there as a legend being a huge dick. Nakamura can win the IC Title without much damage coming to Ambrose.

United States Championship
Kevin Owens (c) vs. Sami Zayn

-These two could have a personal feud without a title being on the line, but the US Title being there would help. Kalisto could win the belt back from Del Rio, then drop it to Owens. Or someone else could take it from Del Rio. Neville, Ziggler, R-Truth...anyone. This would be the personal lower-card feud that tears the house down. Owens is such a dick and Zayn is so likable, I can't see this program not getting over to some degree.

Triple Threat Tag Team Match for the WWE Tag Team Championship
The New Day (c) vs. The Usos vs. The Wyatt Family

-This could just be The New Day against The Usos, or you could throw The Dudleyz in there too, but I feel that this combination could lead to a really good match. Put Luke Harper in there with Kofi Kingston to bounce around for him, and you have gold. This also gives the commentators time to talk about Bray Wyatt vs. Undertaker, which might make this a candidate for the pre-show, which is usually where they have Tag Team Title matches. But it could also be on the main card in a warming up spot.

8-Man Tag Team Match
The League of Nations vs. Dolph Ziggler, Neville, Kalisto & Ryback

-Put your four-man heel group you probably want to feature against four babyfaces you probably want to feature. Neville and Kalisto will do some flippy-shit, Dolph will bounce around to make the bad guys look good, Ryback will kick a lot of ass to get the crowd fired up -- should be a decent opener.

Kickoff Show: Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal
Featuring Big Show, Kane, Mark Henry, The Dudleyz, Jack Swagger, The Miz, The Social Outcasts, Los Matadores, Fandango, Damien Sandow, Titus O'Neil, Darren Young, Stardust, The Ascension, Goldust, Tyler Breeze, Hideo Itami, Zack Ryder, Road Dogg, Alex Riley, David Otunga, Rhyno, Mojo Rawley, and whoever else the fuck you want to put in there

-This is where everyone else goes and does their best to get things over. I could see them giving it to Titus O'Neil, since they seemingly want to push him a bit. Stardust would also be a good candidate, as a "Thank you for putting yourself into this shit" role.