Sasha and Charlotte are making the type of history we'll all look back on and say whoa
 

I need more matches from them. I dont want either one of these girls to get hurt, but watching both of them nearly kill themselves to sell out for the womens division is inspiring. I'm still stunned that as little as Sasha is, she ran over and somewhat caught Charlotte from killing herself on a corkscrew lol. These two chicks are not playing. They are showing up the men's roster right now. Every match they have is coming off fresh as fuck.

Whats the next step...

Let's break the stigma that two woman cant headline a Hell in the Cell. It's time. If ever there were two. These are the two. I'm not advocating having Charlotte or Sasha spot jumping from the top of the Cell, though i dont put it past either to do so. I'm just saying. Lets continue breaking barriers here. I am highly entertained. I want to see everything these woman do. And last night's main event was fantastic just like i thought it would be.

Also, when Sasha first broke in to the main roster, I had no clue she would be this balls out tough. I havent watched any NXT.

I'm actually going to Wal-mart now and picking up the NXT dvd. And i got the WWE network, partly because i'm hoping there is a decent history of NXT shows.

Should go back and watch some of the nxt takeover stuff.

Both Sasha vs Bayley matches
Charlotte vs Natalya
Sasha vs Becky

Sasha vs Becky, from a purely technical standpoint, is the best womens match in the company's history imo. It just doesn't get the same amount of love as the others because it didn't have a very good build up or story going in, so it didn't have as much emotion as the others.

Does everyone just ignore the amount of botches they have per match?

Fignuts, I havent been this engaged in wrestling in years. From the start of 2016 i've been locked in and these two woman are changing my mind about woman wrestling right now. Am I the only one here? Am i wrong?

No i dont ignore it Ruien. But i take into account the fact that they are even trying some of the shit they are trying right now. I've never seen it before from any womens division. And then the fact that they may fuck up, but still go on. Like Sasha at Wrestlemania... I thought she was crippled lol. But she was tough as balls and finished the match and did more spots lol. It's amazing. I love it.

Nah dude, lots of appreciation on here for the women.

Also, as great as the women are doing here, they still don't hold a candle to late 80's-late 90's women's wrestling in Japan. If you don't mind watching japanese stuff, go check some of that shit out on youtube, but I get that not everyone can get into it.

Mad respect to her, but I feel like she is going to be paralyzed within a few years if she keeps going this hard. I mean fuck, I don't even recall Bryan taking this many risks. It's scary.

Ya i agree, but i hate to say this.. I dont want her to stop.

Sasha is beyond Jeff Hardy nuts and toeing the line of Mankind vs Undertaker HITC nuts. Like sure, Jeff Hardy can jump 30 feet crashing down and give his body up. Cool. But Sasha getting dropped on her neck a couple times and then saying fuck it lets do more is pretty fucking nuts. She really could have been hurt catching Charlotte on RAW last night. And Charlotte could have been hurt not getting caught. And yet Sasha show more sack then any dude on the fucking roster and stepped in and caught her.

In fact. The person who looks the worst right now is The Miz, because of that R-Truth incident. Dude could take some lessons from Sasha Banks right now.

Jeff Hardy had all those tables to break those falls too. Sasha consistently greets the hard floor by folding her spine on it

LOL i know. Its sick. I guess my overall point is these chicks are just selling out there bodies to put the womans division on the map and its amazing.

I think Naomi is insanely underrated as well. Feel like if they actually gave her more than 2 minutes in the ring, she could have great matches with becky, natalya, etc.

She's got natural charisma, super athletic, and has really upped her in -ring work in the last couple years. Lots of fun moves and counters from her.

Also, dat entrance

I just recently got WWE Network. I'm watching NXT for as far as it goes back which appears to be November 4, 2015 ( unless i'm doing something wrong which i hope i am cause i wish it went further back ). First match is Asuka vs a somewhat talented black chick ( have not caught her name ). This Asuka chick looks amazing though.

I love Naomi's entrance. I totally agree. I really think the woman need there own show at this point.

Black chicks name is cameron?

Asuka kinda hot too

Right above the videos is a button to select year. You can go back back to February 6th 2014. Kinda sucks that they don't have more, as it's missing Seth Rollins' run, tne Cesaro Zayn 2/3 falls match, tne Regal vs Ohno feud. All the big Takeover events are still there tho, starting with NXT arrival.

Now that I think of it, I'd bet money they took all the early stuff off the network, just to boost sales of the nxt dvd.

She got released a while back. Not a loss at all. She was on a season of nxt when it was the new tough enough show and she was pinning someone who was lying on their stomach, yelling at the ref to make the count. Never got much better.

Holy fuck bro thanks. I hope its like that with everything on this network cause i was getting dissapointed for a minute.

lol yeah it is.

Don't worry, they have every ppv ever from wwe, wcw, and ecw. Plus if you go to Shows-The Vault, they have stuff from AWA, WCCW, and full episodes of Nitro, ECW and old WWF programs like Primetime Wrestling with Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monsoon.

When this shit first came out, I couldn't fucking believe the amount of content available. That's why I really hope WWE ends up buyingTNA. Booking and storylines may have been garbage, but there are hundreds of great tna matches that I would love to have on the network.

Probably haven't seen her yet, but Ember Moon debuted recently and has probably tje sickest finisher in the company, male or female.

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Ok, but do they have the very first 3 Survivor Series PPV's?

Every single ppv dating back to Wrestlemania 1. WCW goes even further back, to the first Starrcade in 1983.

When I say they have every single ppv on there, I don't mean they have select shows from each type of ppv. I mean they literally have every single ppv ever from the big 3.

Asuka and Ember Moon will tear it up when they come up. I have a feeling they'll both be big, especially Ember.

I'm not real big on the women wrestling and I don't like that they have give the title to Sasha on Raw twice. Sucky Raw that was main evented by a women's match. Seriously there were only 3 real matches the whole night and two were silly purple cruiserweight matches. Good for them getting to main event a Raw though I guess. Just don't see the reasoning in having Sasha win on TV again. Now Charlotte will win it back and this feud will continue until Wrestlemania because no other woman on Raw van touch either of Charlotte or Sasha. Bayley has been horrible in my opinion and her and Dana are about on the same level. Now Jax could be something if they would let her but that's another problem I have with Raw is the over abundance of squash matches.

On the network, I don't know if they still have it, but they used to have "collections"..... and they had a "four horsewomen" collection...... you should check that one out.....

I'm losing my boner for women's wrestling. Not a sexual boner -- I mean a mental one. *cough*

Very few of the girls can actually work. You see it when they are deers in the headlights if a spot gets blown. In NXT, they appeared less, were booked better and had time to put their matches together. On RAW and SmackDown it's just the same muddle. I also think it burst my bubble when I saw people commenting on how "good" Alexa Bliss is. She's hot and can act like a bitch. In the ring, she forgets to fall down on time and can't walk and talk at the same time because she to think about how she's walking. And hey, that's not her fault -- she's still very green -- but this idea of a "Women's Revolution" is no different from when they had the Women's Title/Divas Title split. How is Charlotte/Sasha that much different from Victoria/Molly Holly from just over a decade ago?

The characters have been flat as fuck since arriving on the main roster, although I do like Becky, Charlotte and Emmalina. Everyone else turns face or heel on a moment's notice and is all-smiles as a babyface or pouty as a heel.

I'm glad that the women are getting time, don't get me wrong, but this "Revolution" is tokenism. The division is still about hot girls flopping around (see: Bliss, Alexa; Carmella) and the booking is still awful.

Am I the only one who thinks Naomi is horrendous? She's athletic, but absolutely nothing else about her remotely indicates that she's put any of it together.

No, you're not, and I really don't get the love for her entrance, either. It's the same old terrible theme just slowed way the fuck down (which, IMHO makes it 1000× more awful), and they've got her dressing in attire that makes her look like a glow stick.

I'm not hating on her athletic ability; she can obviously go, but her gimmick right now is not doing her any favors if you ask me.

Noid and DAMN iNATOR ain't feeling the glow. :nono:

Women wrestling is as boring as ever. Internet fans think it's cool since it started in NXT though.

Even though Sasha vs Charlotte has been the WWE's biggest women's feud in a while, still don't think its at the point where the Cell is needed storywise. Too bad TLC is a Smackdown ppv since that type of match would fit a lot better for the feud at the moment.

I just think of her as clunky. Maybe it's my fault, because she hasn't REALLY been given much of a chance. I fucking hate those kicks she does though.

I have wanted to see a Ladder Match for the right two women for a long time, but I worry that Sasha would kill herself in one.

Seriously, how am I supposed to believe a woman can hit her opponent so hard with her ass that it essentially knocks them out for 3 seconds? It's more ridiculous than that open handed slap Mark Jindrak used to use for a finisher.

Not sure what some of you are talking about, but I agree with RP. Charlotte and Sasha on Monday was a fucking banger of a match. I watched it with a girl who is just a casual fan, and she was marking the fuck out. Legends in the making. Especially Charlotte.

Naomi uses her ass as a finishing move.

The match was fn great. I have no idea where the sudden bitching is coming from. Also, lol at noid for listing Emmalina as someone he likes - a character that hasn't even debuted.

"Where are all the new stars?? WWE sucks."

"Why are they pushing these noobs?? WWE sucks."

"50/50 booking sucks. I liked it back in the day where someone would go on a winning streak and look unstoppable. WWE sucks."

"What's with these squash matches?? WWE sucks."

Have yoy SEEN her ass?

But nah, that leg ddt thing should be her finisher. Cool move.

This is true for a lot of stuff that comes out of NXT.

Sasha was always supposed to have the title. They took it off her because she was going to be out for a month and didn't know if the injury was going to require her to miss more time. They're basically picking up where they left off and we got a sweet match on Raw to get us there.

Yup. Not 100% of the call ups are going to make the transition. Same as the men.

How is main eventing a Raw (yeah, it's not a ppv, but you have to start somewhere) and having a hell of a match to boot tokenism? They had a real match. Not bra and panties. No Lawler ogling. It was treated as a big deal. Where they go from here is anyone's guess but that's two steps forward.

There's a rumour Sasha/Charlotte headlines Hell In A Cell. Guess we assume the Universal Championship isn't on the line.

I could see a hiac womens title match main eventing if the UC title match is just a regular match.

Plus, in my opinion, charlotte and sashahas been a better, hotter feud than owens vs rollins.

Less of a risk having then headline a ppv that Raw since it does not matter if people stick around on the Network.

The match was good, but (and you can say it's kind of an unfair argument/opinion), but it was nowhere near as awesome as Trish v. Lita in the RAW main event in December 2004.

Come at me if you disagree.

Having Ross doing the duties automatically raises the match up a few notches

So did Yokozuna. What of it?

I was actually thinking when I watched it how much BETTER it was than Trish and Lita, but you're also dumb as fuck, so it's whatever really.

Thats what happens when you pull the curtian back.


Look of Reigns. They pushed because the crowd organically got behind him...until the crowd relized the office was also behind him. Then it wasnt cool anymore.

Trish and Lita was better. The audience had a much better emotional investment in Trish and the match.

WWE fucked up having Bryan come back for that Rumble. If they held off on his return, people wouldn't have been as harsh as they were on Reigns.

That's, like, your opinion, man.

:lol:

Yeah, I'm the dumb one for realizing, acknowledging and stating in no uncertain terms that Trish and Lita could wrestle circles around Charlotte and Sasha. :roll:

The crowd got behind Reigns at the Rumble a whole year prior because of the similar Batista situation. They missed "making" Reigns by a year. Ironic that he found himself in the same spot a year later.

Its not the curtain so to speak, it's simply poor timing and not knowing when to strike when the iron is hot. Make someone. Make something happen other then going back to the well.

:yes:

Emma's worked for the company for five years. :|

This is hasty generalization and it's fallacious reasoning to attribute widespread beliefs into a hypothetical individual that uniformly complies to the associations you project, but what the hell, I'll bite:

Good question. Can you tell me? I'd argue that the only stars they have are Brock Lesnar, The Rock, The Undertaker, John Cena and maybe Randy Orton. You don't need me to tell you what's wrong with that list. You said it yourself -- they don't know when to strike when the iron is hot in some cases, and they don't know how to make someone instead of going back to the well.

But I assume you mean fresh talent. That's a different argument entirely. Fresh talent is always needed. Fresh talent =/= new stars. You don't see too many people sitting around saying "Hmm, you know -- I used to really like wrestling but don't anymore. I think I just realized what it is: Superstars could use a bit of a change."

Are you referring to new talent or green talent? Pushing talent that is green can leave them with a stank that last years -- sometimes over someone's entire career. There are some people who still thinks Chris Masters sucks based on seeing him chase the WWE Championship three years into his career. Of course, there are people who still thinks that Chris Masters sucks having seen a larger portion of his work too, but that's a different discussion again.

Perception is power in professional wrestling. It doesn't matter if you're an amazing technician if people don't buy you in a fight. It doesn't matter if you're a legitimately tough if people snooze through your matches. If people see you as shitty, you will be seen as shitty, even if you aren't.

50/50 booking does suck, and a lot of the blame for a lack of stars could be blamed on it. If everyone beats everybody, no one is any higher than anybody else on the card. If no one is above anyone else, how can anyone be special?

I like squash matches, personally. Are people complaining about these? I could only assume that they feel like there's no progression. The opponents don't look progressively better, we aren't learning more about the character, what they can do in the ring or what their motivations are.

A lot of the squash matches WWE runs are with scrubs that pluck out of the independent scene, which is fine, but I'd actually prefer to see more squashes with established talent. One-sided matches with guys we know can go that somewhat catches us off-guard. Instead, the heel getting the squash (or the face, for that matter), will take too much from the other roster guy, and ultimately they get nothing from the win or the loss.

The exaggerated squash routines they have going with Strowman and Jax are good for those personas, but I can imagine how people are growing tired of them. Jax moved onto Alicia Fox, which was a good move. Strowman has been in there with Sin Cara and now wants more competition. I'd say things are on track there.

But then there's the problem of if you're actually putting the right talent in these dominant roles. Maybe Luke Harper would be better off with the Strowman push? Maybe Nia Jax isn't the monster the Women's Division needs? I'm not going to commit either way on those points, but people's emotional responses to things are a lot deeper than "Yay! A squash match! I am completely convinced of this person's talents and abilities!" and "Boo! A squash match! I only want to see real competition!".

You also don't need to have one or the other. You can have programs where the guys do go back and forth, programs where one guy is "made" over another, you can have guys going on a tear, or guys that just can't get that big win. That doesn't mean that if those concepts are hollowly projected onto your television screen that you're going to feel them effective. Eg. I've wanted to see a Best of Seven Series for ages. That doesn't mean I wanted to see Sheamus vs. Cesaro seven times, it go 3-0 to 3-3 to a tie, and ultimately end in a tag team. I don't have to swallow cow because "Well, I wanted to see something vaguely like that for a while now." You don't need to like a blowjob with teeth.

On Roman Reigns:

People saw the strings. They didn't want to cheer Reigns at the '14 Rumble, they were upset that they knew they were getting Batista vs. Orton. They saw the end game and they didn't like it. Conversely, when Reigns got the Rumble, they saw that the plan was for him to go on, beat Brock, and be the new face of the company. They saw the end game and they didn't like it.

Bryan being the Rumble was the wrong call, but I can actually see their reasoning in kayfabe. They wanted the average fan to see Bryan get dumped out, be told he's not the guy, and for their faith to be placed in Roman Reigns instead. That's why they had Bryan work that great match with Reigns at Fastlane and put Reigns over. It was supposed to make us go "Well, he's better than Bryan," except people don't think like that anymore. They know it's rigged and we've had Cena jammed down our throats until he got good enough to deserve it. There's a strong desire to not cop that again. Cena might actually be Reigns' worst enemy when it comes to people accepting his push, because they see a dark cloud that will last ten years.

Unfortunately for Reigns, it started before he really had that fan following built-up, and he doesn't have the merchandise sales, connection with certain demographics or ability to sustain a good rating or draw a decent house. The fans saw it too early because Vince McMahon's fingerprints were all over it.

The ONLY way to get people to invest in Reigns, at this point, is to turn him heel. They should be looking at what they did with The Rock more than what they did with Cena. In the old days, Reigns would be politicking for Rollins to get the belt off Owens so that Reigns can turn heel, stab Rollins in the back and take it from him. Reigns vs. Rollins would be your RAW WrestleMania main event and we might actually have some stars generated.

Exactly

Tenile Dashwood might have worked for the company for years, but the character - Emmalina - hasn't debuted

Is Emma really short for Emmalina? Or did they make it up? Making Emily shorter does seem dumb.

So Emma is now Emmalina? Did i miss a promo or somthing?

Yes. On Raw.

Was it at the end because I flipped once that match ended?

Its another form of the name Emma but supposedly means "Universal" as a name. Maybe her character is going to be portrayed as the new universe of the Women's division or her arrogantly being the center of RAW's division.

http://www.thenamemeaning.com/emmalina/

Not sure check youtube for emmalina promo. It's just a few hot pics of her and then emmalina coming.

Ok I just watched it on YouTube. Yeah was just abunch of selfies so I wasn't sure of that was what was on Raw. I like the name change, Emmalina sounds more bitchy and if she is going to be a heel then getting away from the clunky Emma character is probably good. Seen a little of her as a heel in NXT. Then again she could be a face and Dana might leave Charlotte to go back with her.

Yeah, Tenille Dashwood/Emma/Emmalina has worked for the company for five years. Thank you.

Trish vs Lita was miles better. They actually have personalities and the crowd gave a shit.

Yeah, gotta agree with Trish vs. Lita being the much bigger deal. Charlotte's got personality though. Sasha's got left in NXT.

Charlotte comes across as an actress and not wrestler

Lita barely had any personality until she fucked edge and turned heel. Trish was always came off as the generic stereotypical face diva personality.

I'm not saying sasha and charlotte are any better, but come on. There's not this big gap in personality. None of them are terribly interesting in that regard.

Honestly feel like that's the reason Becky and Bayley have gained popularity. They aren't trying to be anything they aren't. They are unabasheddly themselves, and to a lot of people, that's refreshing.

Looking back at the history of the division, faces have predominantly been, cookie cutter, smiling waving babyface stereotypes. Heels have predominantly been stuck up bitches, or psychos.

So when someone like Bayley, or Asuka or Kong comes along, its more entertaining, because it feels new.

Props to sasha and charlotte for their work in the ring, but it still feels like they are playing characters rather than being those characters.

Lita oozed that rock chick charisma. She was part of one of the most over acts in the company during an era where everything was over.

This picture instantly disproves that Trish point:

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What? There are so many things I disagree with in this post.

I'm not sure if some of you are wearing jaded, rose-tinted glasses, but Sasha v. Charlotte was a MUCH better match than Trish v. Lita if we're talking about the ones that main-evented Raw alone. I remember being pretty underwhelmed with Trish v. Lita at the time. I'm a huge Trish fan. Was never a big Lita fan, outside of her being hot. And whoever said anything about botches, that was kinda her "thing".

The top girls today are better than any point in sports entertainment history.

I have never been a fan of any female sports, but credit to WWE for seeing an opening in the marketplace and filling it with female athletes that little girls can look up to.

I love Charlotte. She's far and away the MVP of the division to me. I would even say outside of Reigns and Cena she's the most valuable regular preformer WWE has today. In the ring she's the best girl on the roster, and she carries herself like a superstar.

Sasha is good too, and the crowd is with her right now, so it creates a great dynamic with Charlotte. It's almost a shame this feud is peaking now and not at Mania. The cool thing with Banks is you can see them planting seeds for a heel turn. I can see her coming out of the feud with Charlotte as champ and then blowing off Bayley to do the heel turn. You build to Sasha vs Bayley at Mania when Bayley gets the belt.

The HIAC match will be interesting. You can't bleed, which is a good thing. I don't want to see girls bleeding for a match. I don't want to see either of them do something crazy off the cage. So they might be limited, and may suffer from massive expectations. That said I would put them on last. It's the right time, it's breast cancer month, so it would be good publicity for WWE to let two girls headline a PPV for the first time.

I would also like to see them do a girls Royal Rumble in San Antonio. I would say all girls from both rosters would be involved including both champions. With the idea being that if say the SD women's champ wins the match, she would fight for the RAW women's championship title for title. I would have Charlotte win this to rebuild her after losing to Banks. Charlotte would say she wants to make history and become the first woman to win the RAW and SD women's titles, so she's challenging Becky. That leaves Becky vs Charlotte and Bayley vs Banks as the top women's matches at Mania.

Lita's moonsault was always a pile of puke. When you compare it to Charlotte's....calling it puke is an insult to puke.

PS - what a shock that Noid is disrupting a thread by turning it into another internet fan boy bitch fest of Roman Reigns.

For anyone arguing that the crowd was more invested in Trish and Lita's characters, the crowd was more invested into EVERYTHING back then. I feel WWE is in a rebuilding phase right now where the crowd has been made used to being disappointed, but there's some REALLY good stuff going on right now, especially between the ropes. Not to beat the PG horse either, but the Trish/Lita crowds were older/livelier than the kid-based crowds of today. It's not a fair comparison, and if you're looking at the bell-to-bell work in those matches, Charlotte and Sasha leave Trish and Lita in the dust by a substantial margin.

We can all be entertained if we allow ourselves to be.

Not sure what makes you feel this. She seems like the most legitimate female "wrestler" in years, if not ever.

I mean, what made Trish or Lita seem any less like actors?

Sasha...now she comes off as an actor for sure. Charlotte is some next level type shit in my book.

The Undertaker seems like an actor, if you ask me.

She might be the son we wanted

It has gotten better, but up until a few months ago, her promos were atrocious to me. Like, Bayley-bad. Like a sixth grader reading speeches off of notecards and losing her place when someone made a snide remark.

She's gotten significantly better over the past few months and become a pretty great promo most of the time, and her in-ring work is really good most of the time--except when she's dropping people on their head. I think a lot of people's opinions are still colored by that first nine months.

But I also think that's true of Sasha. Her promos haven't been great, and her in-ring work has been "scary" some of the time, but people remember her NXT work. I think she's still trying to find her footing as the #1 face of the division on the main roster. Her heel ringwork in NXT was phenomenal, but having to be the babyface has left her a bit lost, which leads to doing dangerous shit to pop the crowd.

Lita was a shit promo her entire career.

Not in 2004 they werent

She's still not good at all in the mic.

What else was happening in 2004? Seriously don't recall things by year.

Agree to disagree there, I guess. One of the top promos in the company right now.

2004 was probably the worst year in Raw history. The crowd was not into a lot of the show.

2004 was the HHH show

Fair enough. She is dynamite in the ring.

Was this the Bubba Ray singles run? Or was that 2003?

Bubba Ray was 2002

Pretty offended that you're trying to discredit the biggest US female draw of all time at her peak

Bubba Ray?

Listen, I'm not a wrestler. I'm a wrestling FAN. Drawing power means precisely dick to me.

This motherfucker right hereeeeeeeeeeeee dont have time to wrestling when he's strumming out hits like Let Her Cry, Hold My Hand and Only Wanna Be With You! ISIS BITCH!