Better Wrestler #16
 

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<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler History</option><option>Trish Stratus vs Charlotte (27-13)</option><option>Trish Stratus vs The Miz (20-13)</option><option>Trish Stratus vs Booker T (19-19)</option><option>Trish Stratus vs The Big Show (19-9)</option><option>Trish Stratus vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (10-25)</option><option>Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Bokker T (22-13)</option><option>Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs Kevin Nash (17-16)</option><option>Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat vs John Cena (6-21)</option><option>John Cena vs Kevin Owens (25-8)</option><option>John Cena vs Goldberg (28-4)</option><option>John Cena vs Chris Jericho (4-33)</option><option>Chris Jericho vs AJ Styles (26-6)</option><option>Chris Jericho vs Chris Benoit (26-5)</option><option>Chris Jericho vs Kurt Angle (9-27)<option>Kurt Angle vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-5)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>TBD</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler History</option><option>#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)</option><option>#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)</option><option>#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)</option><option>#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)</option><option>#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)</option><option>#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)</option><option>#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)</option><option>#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)</option><option>#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)</option><option>#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)</option><option>#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)</option><option>#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)</option><option>#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)</option><option>#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)</option><option>#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)</option><option>#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)</option><option>#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)</option><option>#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)</option><option>#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)</option><option>#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)</option><option>#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)</option><option>#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)</option><option>#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)</option><option>#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)</option><option>#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)</option><option>#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)</option><option>#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)</option><option>#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)</option><option>#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)</option><option>#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)</option><option>#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)</option><option>#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)</option><option>#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)</option><option>#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)</option><option>#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)</option><option>#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)</option><option>#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)</option><option>#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)</option><option>#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)</option><option>#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)</option><option>#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)</option><option>#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)</option><option>#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)</option><option>#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)</option><option>#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)</option><option>#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)</option><option>#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)</option><option>#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)</option><option>#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)</option><option>#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)</option><option>#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)</option><option>#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)</option><option>#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)</option><option>#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)</option><option>#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)</option><option>#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)</option><option>#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)</option><option>#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)</option><option>#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)</option><option>#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)</option><option>#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)</option><option>#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)</option><option>#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)</option><option>#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)</option><option>#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)</option><option>#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)</option><option>#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)</option><option>#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)</option><option>#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)</option><option>#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)</option><option>#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)</option><option>#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)</option><option>#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)</option><option>#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)</option><option>#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)</option><option>#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)</option><option>#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)</option><option>#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)</option><option>#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)</option><option>#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)</option><option>#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)</option><option>#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)</option><option>#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)</option><option>#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)</option><option>#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)</option><option>#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)</option><option>#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)</option><option>#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)</option><option>#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)</option><option>#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)</option><option>#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)</option><option>#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)</option><option>#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)</option><option>#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)</option><option>#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)</option><option>#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)</option><option>#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)</option><option>#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)</option><option>#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)</option><option>#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)</option><option>#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)</option><option>#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)</option><option>#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)</option><option>#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)</option><option>#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)</option><option>#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)</option><option>#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)</option><option>#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)</option><option>#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)</option><option>#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)</option><option>#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)</option><option>#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)</option><option>#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)</option><option>#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)</option><option>#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)</option><option>#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)</option><option>#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)</option><option>#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)</option><option>#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)</option><option>#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)</option><option>#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)</option><option>#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)</option><option>#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)</option><option>#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)</option><option>#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)</option><option>#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)</option><option>#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)</option><option>#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)</option><option>#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)</option><option>#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)</option><option>#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)</option><option>#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)</option><option>#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)</option><option>#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)</option><option>#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)</option><option>#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)</option><option>#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)</option><option>#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)</option><option>#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)</option><option>#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)</option><option>#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)</option><option>#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)</option><option>#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)</option><option>#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)</option><option>#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)</option><option>#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)</option><option>#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)</option><option>#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)</option><option>#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)</option><option>#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)</option><option>#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)</option><option>#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)</option><option>#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)</option><option>#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)</option><option>#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)</option><option>#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)</option><option>#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)</option><option>#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)</option><option>#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)</option><option>#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)</option><option>#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)</option><option>#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)</option><option>#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)</option><option>#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)</option><option>#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)</option><option>#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)</option><option>#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)</option><option>#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)</option><option>#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)</option><option>#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)</option><option>#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)</option><option>#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)</option><option>#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)</option><option>#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)</option><option>#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)</option><option>#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)</option><option>#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)</option><option>#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)</option><option>#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)</option><option>#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)</option><option>#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)</option><option>#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)</option><option>#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)</option><option>#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)</option><option>#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)</option><option>#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)</option><option>#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)</option><option>#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)</option><option>#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)</option><option>#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)</option><option>#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)</option><option>#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)</option><option>#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)</option><option>#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)</option><option>#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)</option><option>#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)</option><option>#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)</option><option>#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)</option><option>#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)</option><option>#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)</option><option>#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)</option><option>#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)</option><option>#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)</option><option>#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)</option><option>#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)</option><option>#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)</option><option>#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)</option><option>#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)</option><option>#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)</option><option>#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)</option><option>#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)</option><option>#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)</option><option>#213. Eddie Guerrero vs. Hulk Hogan (47-29)</option><option>#214. Eddie Guerrero vs. Scott Hall (47-18)</option><option>#215. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Rock (28-40)</option><option>#216. The Rock vs. William Regal (39-17)</option><option>#217. The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar (47-13)</option><option>#218. The Rock vs. Sting (31-19)</option><option>#219. The Rock vs. Triple H (40-27)</option><option>#220. Ahmed Johnson vs. Ezekiel Jackson (41-11)</option><option>#221. Ahmed Johnson vs. The Godfather (6-44)</option><option>#222. The Godfather vs. D'Lo Brown (9-42)</option><option>#223. D'Lo Brown vs. Val Venis (29-20)</option><option>#224. D'Lo Brown vs. Mark Henry (36-23)</option><option>#225. D'Lo Brown vs. The Miz (10-46)</option><option>#226. The Miz vs. John Morrison (52-13)</option><option>#227. The Miz vs. Dolph Ziggler (39-49)</option><option>#228. Dolph Ziggler vs. Wade Barrett (42-21)</option><option>#229. Dolph Ziggler vs. John Cena (38-31)</option><option>#230. Dolph Ziggler vs. Lance Storm (38-37)</option><option>#231. Dolph Ziggler vs. Curt Hennig (18-55)</option><option>#233. Curt Hennig vs. Zack Ryder (62-8)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Vader (45-14)</option><option>#234. Curt Hennig vs. Owen Hart (38-22)</option><option>#235. Curt Hennig vs. Ric Flair (48-39)</option><option>#236. Jesse James vs. Billy Gunn (16-38)</option><option>#237. Billy Gunn vs. Sabu (40-15)</option><option>#238. Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)</option><option>#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)</option><option>#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)</option><option>#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)</option><option>#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)</option><option>#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)</option><option>#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)</option><option>#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)</option><option>#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)</option><option>#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)</option><option>#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)</option><option>#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)</option><option>#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)</option><option>#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)</option><option>#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)</option><option>#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)</option><option>#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)</option><option>#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)</option><option>#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)</option><option>#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)</option><option>#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)</option><option>#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)</option><option>#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)</option><option>#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)</option><option>#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)</option><option>#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)</option><option>#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)</option><option>#265. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Christian (30-13)</option><option>#266. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Scott Hall (37-15)</option><option>#267. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. Eddie Guerrero (31-32)</option><option>#268. Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Anderson (56-1)</option><option>#269. Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio (41-11)</option><option>#270. Eddie Guerrero vs. Ted DiBiase (41-13)</option><option>#271. Eddie Guerrero vs. Triple H (40-32)</option><option>#272. Kane vs. Ryback (50-15)</option><option>#273. Kane vs. Sid (28-23)</option><option>#274. Kane vs. Big Show (41-13)</option><option>#275. Kane vs. Sting (12-46)</option><option>#276. Sting vs. Lex Luger (49-2)</option><option>#277. Sting vs. Rick Rude (30-28)</option><option>#278. Sting vs. Rob Van Dam (37-12)</option><option>#279. Sting vs. Hulk Hogan (29-30)</option><option>#280. Hulk Hogan vs. Andre "The Giant" (46-14)</option><option>#281. Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff Hardy (49-11)</option><option>#282. Hulk Hogan vs. Ultimate Warrior (37-15)</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame</option><option>"Stone Cold" Steve Austin</option><option>Taz</option><option>Kurt Angle</option><option>Chris Jericho</option><option>"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels</option><option>The Undertaker</option><option>"Macho Man" Randy Savage</option><option>Bret "Hitman" Hart</option><option>Chris Benoit</option><option>CM Punk</option><option>Jake "The Snake" Roberts</option><option>The Rock</option><option>"Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig</option><option>Mick Foley</option><option>Eddie Guerrero</option><option>Hulk Hogan</option></select>

<select><option selected="selected">Previous Best Wrestler Tournament History</option><option>ROUND 1</option><option>#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)</option><option>#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)</option><option>#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)</option><option>#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)</option><option>#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)</option><option>#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)</option><option>#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)</option><option>#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)</option><option>ROUND 2</option><option>#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)</option><option>#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)</option><option>#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)</option><option>#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)</option><option>ROUND 3</option><option>#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)</option><option>#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)</option><option>ROUND 4</option><option>#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)</option></select>

I can never say no to titties

Best of all time. Angle. How many more rounds before the HoF round?

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Why do you keep doing this to me? This shit's gettin' too damn difficult... >_<

What we have is the greatest in ring worker of all time vs one ofnthe top draws (adjusting for inflation) of all time.

Both are insanely charismatic. Both cut great promos. Dusty edges Kurt out on both though. Dusty was the ultimate everyman. Always trying to achieve and overcome. He's exactly how you book a guy with his build (a lesson Steen could learn from but that's another topic.)

Dusty, especially if we inculde his booking, has one of the largest impacts on wrestling of all time. The way he crafted his stories, in and out of the ring, are the blue print that all western wrestling is based off of.

Kurt blows dusty away on in ring but that is really the only metric that i can put Angle over Dusty.

Dusty up till 86 was fucking incredible. Angle is a top 5 worker imo.

So tough to choose. Gonna go with Dusty.

Maybe I'm too young but I've never been a Dusty Rhodes fan, sorry to say I didn't like his promos either. Angle easily.

Dusty was better on the mic and more charismatic but he doesn't blow Angle away in those categories. Angle more than closes the gap when you compare them in the ring. Think I've gotta give the slight edge to Angle. But I'm probably gonna wait to cast my vote. Might change my mind.

Dusty. He's iconic. Angle had a good to great run but Dusty is GOAT level in terms of the overall history of professional wrestling. What he also gave as a booker, trainer, commentator, ambassador and everything else. Kurt was great but in the end all he gave was in the ring. He is too much of a libility to be a producer/road agent and he has never shown any indication of being a trainer. Maybe that'll change when he officially retires but I doubt it.

Kurt Angle should be in for some hard times daddy.

Agreed

In ring: Kurt
Mic: Dusty
Charisma: Dusty
Gate: Dusty
Legacy: Dusty

And the gap on gate and legacy is as big or bigger than the gap on ring work.

If you are not informed enough to decide maybe you shouldn't.

Naw I'm plenty informed, I've seen plenty of his stuff, I'm not a fan of it as I said. Doesn't it bother you being the most ignorant person on the forums?

No because I'm not and it's not even close.

Nah people can literally vote because they saw one match and thought it was bad. Totally valid. A persons reasons are their own.

You're doing the hiring these days? The poor guy has been sober for years now, and through tragedies he's continued to stay sober.

I'd much rather listen to any Kurt Angle than hear Dusty ramble on about hard times.

Dusty might've helped a lot of people in NXT, but I'd prefer to watch Kurt Angle than any of them.

Dusty might've drawn big gates, but I'd rather watch Kurt Angle than old school Dusty Rhodes vs. Ric Flair etc. That's not to say I don't like old school wrestling, just not really when it involves Dusty. The best Dusty Rhodes singles match I think I've seen was one of his Starrcade main events with Ric Flair (I forgot which one, I'm pretty sure it was '85 but I could be mistaken. Whichever one had the clean finish)

Kurt Angle always drew my interest, even before he debuted when he was doing those interviews, I was captivated. I've never felt like that with anything that I've watched involving Dusty Rhodes.

And it's ironic, I've got the same build as Dusty, you'd think I'd relate to him more.

Angle by a mile.

And also, this is according to Angle, I don't have the actual doctor's words obviously, but Angle says even after years of drug abuse he has no liver damage. He's not self destructing anymore.

Nope, Dusty Rhodes.

And I accidentally left out that when I was a kid, just as into wrestling as I am now, anytime I flipped on WCW and Dusty was on the commentary team I'd flip the channel. He took me out of everything.

Still Kurt by a mile.

After long deliberation I'll have to go Dusty. While I was too young to see his stuff live I've seen plenty with my dad (Dusty was one of his favorites.) Dusty is one of the few guys from that era who I legit enjoy watching, and the memories with my dad magnify that.

Gotta go with Dusty. You have to keep in mind things like Dusty's charisma, presence, drawing power, legacy and "X-Factor." Kurt Angle might be technically better in the ring and may have provided some subjectively more entertaining segments, but who has left the more influential stamp on professional wrestling. It's Dusty.

As always, I find the simplest way to sum up my voting is to look at who I would rather have if I was starting a professional wrestling promotion -- Dusty in his prime, or Angle. Although Angle is certainly tempting on a critical level, if I want to make money, I'd be a fool to turn down Dusty.

Tough choice but gave the edge to Dusty for the vote.

Both were great for their eras and both are among the greats of wrestling. Didn't see much of Dusty's work but from what I've seen, Angle takes the nod for better in-ring skills and Dusty takes the nod as the better talker overall.

Ended up going with Dusty mainly because of legacy especially in regards to being a huge factor for NXT's rise in the WWE and popularity.

BUT HE'S GOT A BAHCIYCLE!

Angle is behind early. As a former first ballot HoF going out in the 3rd would be a huge upset

Dusty was way before my time, and when I got into wrestling his in-ring days were dying down, if not already over. I mostly remember him as an associate of the NWO back in the day.

Angle anyway.

I just remember when Dusty Rhodes got to the big time (WWF) he floundered and went back to WCW, and this was after he already had a reputation as a legend (I think anyways.) Kurt Angle went to WWF and within 6 months he'd already won two championships and was one of the most entertaining people on the roster.

I've seen plenty of the Dusty-4 Horsemen feud, and yes it was good, but that wasn't all Dusty by any means.

Really surprised at the results right now, figured this would be a cake walk for Kurt.

Whow. Angle is losing. Whow.....

Lol Dusty Rhodes did not flounder in the WWF

Dusty Rhodes was just a common man, working hard with his hands. Plus polka dots.

What'd he do in WWF that you thought was good? Being serious, I'll go back and check it out and doubtfully but possibly it will change my opinion

The WWF was not "the big time." The NWA was not some Indy. Thats either you being a mark or revisionist history. Your pick.
Theybtried to bury Dusty so if he ever left he'd be damaged good. He took a shit gimmick and got super fucking over. You're literally trying to bury a guy over stuff you admit you never saw.

Dusty was extremely over during his run. You said that he sucked in the WWF when clearly if you actually watched his matches you'd see how over he was.

When did I ever say I didn't see him? I said I was too young/not born yet and didn't watch at the time. That doesn't mean I haven't gone back and watched a lot of old NWA (but you're right if you bring anything up before the first Starrcade, haven't watched any NWA before then.)

Almost all wrestlers say they wanted to go to WWF if they had a choice, hence me calling it "big time." That doesn't mean I consider the NWA to be an indy, that's me saying WWF was number 1.

Undertaker took a shit gimmick and really got himself over. Dusty had a shit gimmick and didn't really do anything with it, he was just over because people knew who he was. (That right there is my opinion and not a proveable fact obviously.)

Like I said before, if you can show me something Dusty did that maybe I overlooked I'm more than open to it, but as of right now (and I've always thought this) Dusty Rhodes is probably the most overrated wrestler ever. Obviously that's just one man's opinion, you're more than welcome to try to change that opinion instead of just saying it's revisionist history.

And while I'm at it, we're debating whether or not Dusty made anything out of the shit he got in WWF. Nothing Kurt Angle did in wrestling was shit.

it was hyperbole based off them using hollywood to push their product. It wasnt drawing number any diferent than the NWA. Dusty went to new york because after tully and arn left over money they thought Flair was going to leave too and the only way to keep Flair was to dump Dusty. Dusty wasnt trying to go "play with the big boys" or whatever absurd propoganda youve bought into.

regardless of takers gimmick being shit (disagree) the fed wanted to get him over. They had no interest in getring dusty over. He still got over. Same with kurt. Kurt had the machine behind him. Dusty didnt need it.

The notiin that someones work has more value because they did it in the garden pre-2000 is narrow minded and inaccurate

Its really just a populist mentality. "My country is better because i was born here" type stuff. No logical basis for this. As many of more butts in seats.

THE GAPNIS CLOSING.

Random fun fsct:

I was looking over past results when i drew this up and Angle met Jericho is the BEST Wrestler tourney and lost by 2. Course he won in a landslide this time.

Never saw much of Dusty Rhodes. No doubt he had the bigger "impact" and "legacy" in the biz, but I can't comment on pretty much anything else for him.

Don't know if I feel "right" voting Kurt Angle by default, though...... I may yet.

Once again, never said that. I've asked a few times if you have anything Dusty did that I should take a look at that might change my mind. Telling me "Dusty drew so much here and so much there" isn't going to change my mind.

Kurt Angle had a very entertaining rookie year and had a fun feud with Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, The Rock, and Triple H in his first year and they were all very fun.

He has awesome moments like the milk truck segment.

He can be a face or heel and sell it. He's one of the only people that can actually get a crowd to boo him when it's necessary.

He's had countless classic matches with countless different people.

And I think his TNA run is very underrated with just as many classic moments there as he did in WWE.

The only things from Dusty that I really liked were his Starrcade 85 match with Flair, he was awesome in those wargames matches... what else was must see about Dusty Rhodes?

I have no intrest i changing your mind, youve already voted. Its your absurd notion that the WWF somehow matters more thats problematic. When you couple that wih you dont care about the draw theres really no reason to get an erection for one product over the other.

"What did he do in the WWF you thought was gpod?"

Why does it need to he in the WWF? Makes no sense.

Angle sheep,,,,,

I did ask for something good from his WWF run, but you can give me something good from any company he was in other than what I listed on my last post. I'm just saying, no one has really said anything about Dusty other than "he drew really well" so what did I miss in terms of Dusty's greatest hits?

But it does seem weird that we'll just ignore his WWF run completely "because the machine wasn't behind him."

1) Basically anything Dusty qualifies for your "something good" inquiry. You just seem to think it was all shit. Opinions are opinions and all that, but honestly if you didn't enjoy Dusty's work I'm inclined to believe that there's something wrong with you. :p

2) No one's ignoring his WWF stuff. They're just saying that it doesn't detract from his overall appeal. The fact that you think it should is absurd. Do you judge Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan on their spectacularly terrible TNA stuff? I sure hope not. A good wrestler is a good wrestler no matter where he applied his craft, and his accomplishments from one point in time do not suddenly get torn to shreds just because he's done something stupid and/or terrible at a later date.

Ric Flair had the best WOOOOOOing contest with Jay Lethal in TNA damnit.

1. "anything Dusty qualifies for your "something good" inquiry." Like what? What are some good things he did other than the ones I've already listed. Apparently no one has any considering I've asked like 10 times.

2. I'm not saying that Dusty's WWF run detracts from his appeal, I'm comparing that part of his career (along with the rest of his career which everyone seems to ignore I'm doing) to all of Kurt Angle's career. When you have a run like Dusty's run in WWF you're gonna need some huge moments from his NWA run to compare to Kurt Angle's incredible runs in WWF/E and TNA. I'm comparing their entire careers.

Once again, if someone has something that Dusty Rhodes did that can compare to Kurt Angle's run, I'm all ears. But just telling me how much he drew and how everything he did is great isn't enough for me to pick Dusty over Kurt.

The Mike is sabotaging Kurt with his debate. Kurt Angle would win without having a damn Ellsworth in his corner.

Is your argument literally that you've created a comprehensive list of every good dusty match? I thought you were exaggerating

Dusty vs Tully Blandchard -first blood/texas bull rope/barbwire rope

Take your pick of those 3. Theyre all classics.

Dusty vs Harley Race 1 & 2. Two of the best matches of all time.

Dusty vs Dory Funk Jr - fuck i could watch these two work for forever

I dunno why you think you passively write off his stuff with flair just because you mentioned it first but that stuff was obviously exemplary.

Only took 15 times but I finally got something! Will look those up later tonight and get back to you.

Me: well lets see what wrestler Angle tears through on his way to the HoF today--FUCK!

Damn it why Destor?

So gave it some thought and afterward Dusty.

Angle is worlds ahead as a wrestler but Dusty has meant more to wrestling than Angle. Its one thing to be a great wrestler its another thing entirely when you've actually shaped its past,present and future (NXT)

In my defense i expected a blow out

The sad part is I'm ready to defend not picking Angle on top of that If Dusty wins this one I don't see him lasting too long at all.

This could go either way still but yeah Dusty would face hard times for sure. Not a lot of love for 70s style/era

Angle for me.

Yeah, we seem to have a very modern-heavy bias here.

Well, I mean part of that is just that newer things are fresher in people's minds. That said I would like to know what the average age around these parts is. Based on the way people talk I'd assume most of the people on here started watching wrestling during the early to mid 90s. Would be interesting to find out.

Poll is tied up

Angle may win despite the run in by Ellsworth (Mike)!!!

Give me the Dweem

I said I wasn't gonna vote unless it mattered. Here we are...

I will say I think "drawing power" is an overrated in a contest like this. It's best wrestler. You're judging the wrestler. Drawing power has way too many other variables. If Angle came around in Dusty's time he would have likely drawn huge. If Dusty came around in Angle's time he likely would have been a Brodus Clay-esque fat comedy character and not drawn much at all. I wouldn't hold that against Dusty though.

14-14 with hours to go. It def matters.

I did not want this responsibility. This probably the toughest Best Wrestler vote yet.

Willing to sell my vote if anyone is interested. We'll start at $200.

Im too carny to agree. The best wrestler is the guy who scams the most money out of you. If I'm running a show im booking with that goal in mind 1st and formost. Would haves dont feed families.

If you're running a show you have that goal in mind. If you fail miserably at your job though it doesn't necessarily mean the guys you had to work with were all shit wrestlers.

I'd say the best wrestler is the one who CAN scam the most money out of you. I think it's better to decide who you think COULD draw better without factoring in outside variables as opposed to "he drew more and therefore is better".

I dunno. Good ones, like Dusty, will find a way to make you money no matter how bad the shit you have them do is.


Does drawing more make you better by default? No. The other things to consider, but it's a big player. The biggest in my book.

Kurt Angle is a fucking American hero. Do the right thing Fan.

Yeah, and I mean, plus the guy wrestled with a broken friggin' neck!

I've always preferred guys on the more technical side, so I went with Angle. And to be fair, I never really watched much of Dusty's stuff outside of his WWF polka dot stuff.

For the first time Angle hasd a lead!

Man, I could really fuck shit up by making it a tie again.

But no. I'm going with Angle.

With 4 hours to go that could wrap this up.

My point isn't exactly that drawing power should count less. It should just be considered differently. If you just look at the numbers and say "he drew more therefore his ability to draw was better" then that's kinda flawed. There's too many other variables that go into one guy drawing than his ability to do it. Dusty in WWE was not a worse draw than Dusty in NWA. But if you look at one vs the other and just judge by the numbers, suddenly it's not even close. Even though it's the exact same guy. That's where the flaw lies. There's gotta be some personal judgement that goes with it. It's not as cut and dry as people make it out to be.

I get that. I think your method is impossible to quantify but I get it.

Dusty was way before my time so I know very little of him. I realize the impact Dusty has had and what he may once have been. Although I feel like I need to look into it further to seriously justify not voting for him, I vote Angle.

3 pt lead with 2.5 hours to go. It will be hard to come back from that.

HE'S UNSTOPPABLE.

Wasn't this like 12 to 2 at one point? Angle with a come from behind win baby!

Pretty close to that yeah. Really fun match up

Bunch of know nothings voted for Angle.

We need a Recount to account for socks.

Looks like 3 socks for Angle and 2 for the loser. 3 if you count Fastway which we probably should.

Eat shit STD.

Boo-urns.